Until we get better feats from kaido I'll say Aldoron. There is literally nothing in kaidos moveset that is relevant to Aldoron. But know that I think of it kaido is a dragon and can fly making most of aldorons attacks useless. He can also spit fire so hot that it can vape mountains. But if he concentrates a fire blast on aldorons head he might eventually kill him. Still leaning with Aldoron though.
@eazy2002: Acno being able to fly doesn't make aldoron's attacks usless. The only real attack we've seen from big aldoron was against a fleet of flying ships
@eazy2002: Acno being able to fly doesn't make aldoron's attacks usless. The only real attack we've seen from big aldoron was against a fleet of flying ships
A fleet of flying ships don't compare to kaido lol not in power not in speed and not in flight maneuverability. And has Aldoron faced of against acno in dragon form for you to make that assumption? And kaido is also a pretty large dragon. As you can see below kaido not even extending his body reaches cloud height. The lowest of cloud formation is 2km meaning kaido with a fully extended body could be anywhere from 5-10km long. I'm not trying to compare kaido to Aldoron in size I'm just saying kaido should by far have more body mass than those ships and should be by far more durable so aldorons plant attacks wont affect him in the sky.
@eazy2002: You're the one that made the assumption that flight = can't be hit. Aldoron's trees dwarfed the mountains and they grew to that height instantly. Kaido isn't dodging multiple attacks that dwarf his whole body. Also based on the size of the ship in relation to the size of the trees, the ships should be larger than Kaido as well. If aldoron spawns multiple of these things focused on kaido he's getting hit. And kaido hasn't really shown any considerable level of maneuverability in dragon form.
@eazy2002: You're the one that made the assumption that flight = can't be hit. Aldoron's trees dwarfed the mountains and they grew to that height instantly. Kaido isn't dodging multiple attacks that dwarf his whole body. Also based on the size of the ship in relation to the size of the trees, the ships should be larger than Kaido as well. If aldoron spawns multiple of these things focused on kaido he's getting hit. And kaido hasn't really shown any considerable level of maneuverability in dragon form.
From that scans those trees are smaller at the tip and wider at the base. Why compare a bunch of ships to kaido lol. Kaido would vape all those trees. Kaido was able vape a mountain casually you think he cant vape those trees which a thin at the tip? Lol.
@eazy2002: You can clearly see one of the ship fragments next to a part that isn't the tip and the size is still about the same. Also you need to look at the length as well. And seeing as to how natsu's demolition fist and the attacks from the ships are >>>>>>> Kaido's attack, and neither of the attacks put a dent in aldoron's wood, I don't see how Kaido would be able to vape the trees. He didn't even vape a mountain, his blast just blew apart a small area at the top.
Until we get better feats from kaido I'll say Aldoron. There is literally nothing in kaidos moveset that is relevant to Aldoron. But know that I think of it kaido is a dragon and can fly making most of aldorons attacks useless. He can also spit fire so hot that it can vape mountains. But if he concentrates a fire blast on aldorons head he might eventually kill him. Still leaning with Aldoron though.
Kaido's flare breath isn't strong if it isn't charged, and even if he does charge it, it takes forever for him to do so. Aldoron's wood magic dwarfs mountains and he can summon many vines at once plus he just has to step on Kaido. Aldoron's hands are bigger than the cities on them so Kaido would have to fly away fast enough (more than a city's length) before Aldoron crushes him.
Aldoron is a casual country buster. His single stomp destroyed a large country wide area filled with hundreds of mountains. Kaido is jack shit in front of aldoron.
@yamatama: kaido actually could scale higher than aldoron. The wood dragon only really scales to itself, plus natsu.
Chinjao split a continent, which is in the large country+ to small continent range.
Old sick whitebeard had a quake calc at small continent due to creating tidal waves in islands that were far away. They had to be far, as the official map of the nearby environment, which takes multiple days to travel by marine ships, did not include any possible locations for the massive water displacement. Requiring a minimum distance on a scale beyond aldoron's current showings.
One could argue if old white beard or kaido was stronger, but kaido actually had the portrayal advantage. The fact he wanted to go to marineford and finish WB himself, plus that shanks felt he needed to stop him speaks for the outcome. Kaido was literally in the same pirate crew as WB before they became yonko, so kaido knew exactly what he was in for.
As the saying goes "land, sea, or air, always bet on kaido", despite characters in aldoron's range still breathing.
Until we get better feats from kaido I'll say Aldoron. There is literally nothing in kaidos moveset that is relevant to Aldoron. But know that I think of it kaido is a dragon and can fly making most of aldorons attacks useless. He can also spit fire so hot that it can vape mountains. But if he concentrates a fire blast on aldorons head he might eventually kill him. Still leaning with Aldoron though.
Kaido's flare breath isn't strong if it isn't charged, and even if he does charge it, it takes forever for him to do so. Aldoron's wood magic dwarfs mountains and he can summon many vines at once plus he just has to step on Kaido. Aldoron's hands are bigger than the cities on them so Kaido would have to fly away fast enough (more than a city's length) before Aldoron crushes him).
Lol kaido can casually spit fire what the hell are you talking about?
Aldoron is a casual country buster. His single stomp destroyed a large country wide area filled with hundreds of mountains. Kaido is jack shit in front of aldoron.
i think it's large island -small country but that doesn't matter since Kaido isn't tanking that without getting severely injured or even dying.
Until we get better feats from kaido I'll say Aldoron. There is literally nothing in kaidos moveset that is relevant to Aldoron. But know that I think of it kaido is a dragon and can fly making most of aldorons attacks useless. He can also spit fire so hot that it can vape mountains. But if he concentrates a fire blast on aldorons head he might eventually kill him. Still leaning with Aldoron though.
Kaido's flare breath isn't strong if it isn't charged, and even if he does charge it, it takes forever for him to do so. Aldoron's wood magic dwarfs mountains and he can summon many vines at once plus he just has to step on Kaido. Aldoron's hands are bigger than the cities on them so Kaido would have to fly away fast enough (more than a city's length) before Aldoron crushes him).
Lol kaido can casually spit fire what the hell are you talking about?
if kaido shoots aldoron's head kaido will kill aldoron
Aldoron took no damage from an attack >>> than the size of his head. Not to mention Kaido doesn't have dragon slaying magic so he's doing nothing to Aldoron
Ok from what I can see that is not continent level, it doesn't even look like the size of an island. The war God from fairy tail did something similar
Look at the statement it was stated he split the entire continent
I've seen the manga panel AND the anime version of it, and the fissure is like a city wide distance at best. In total strength it's most likely city - mountain level, FAR from continent level. You don't have the calc anything, just look at it. Statements in manga are always exaggerated, if you take this continent statement as fact then you should take the planet level whitebeard statement as a fact as well.
Just by looking at the feat, it doesn't even look more than a kilometer. If we're going by feats, then the war god's is >>.
@dimitri1220: I already told u their statement of him destroying the entire thing, not to mention in the manga panel the fissure spread to the Horizon.
Overwanked feat, unknown sized continent, it wasn't deep or wide. It's a trash feat even wanking it and assuming the "continent" is the size of Antarctica the feat hardly hits island level.
Garbage feat Aldoron stands at 400+ Teratons>4000x Chinjaos feat just by taking a step.
if kaido shoots aldoron's head kaido will kill aldoron
Aldoron took no damage from an attack >>> than the size of his head. Not to mention Kaido doesn't have dragon slaying magic so he's doing nothing to Aldoron
LMAO no. Immunity against magic is an in-verse trait that protects a Dragon from harmful magics. However Kaido uses no such thing, he uses raw physical power to fight which the dragons are not immune to.
Now on to the topic:
If it was Acnologia we were talking about Kaido would give Acnologia the Igneel treatment because Kaido is not missing power. The issue here is Aldoron is a big chunky boi who has traded out a dragons mobility and (possibly) ability to fly for extra tankyness.
People are sleeping on Kaido and that ain't cool man.
Have we forgotten how durable Kaido is? We dont know the limits of Kaido yet. However from what has been show I fail to see how Aldoron can kill Kaido. Stepping on Kaido will legit not work. You guys can argue Aldoron's foot to have planetary durability and that would not change a damn thing as Kaido's body is harder than the soil he stands on. Aldoron at best can send Kaido on a Minecraft mining experience.
Aldoron as seen above destroyed a fleet of ships. All of which are fairly big and scary given they are relative to the size of Aldoron. Be it as it may I struggle to see these ships as something more durable than Kaido himself which brings in to question if the tree roots can doe real damage to Kaido.
For damage bolo breath is a reliable way to scratch the multi-island/"country" potato. Thunder bagua should also not be underestimated. Haki has brought forth an issue of AP for the OP-verse. In Fairy Tail it's easy to see how powerful something is by it's DC as their AP is neglible. Here's an update: AP is not less than DC. It is completely situational depending on foes. On this fight Kaido is actually lacking in DC due to the fact that Aldoron is bigger than most "yo momma" jokes. However in terms of AP One Piece heavenly outshines FT ever since haki started becoming a thing as haki magnifies the intensity of any given attack. This is not reflected in DC for the most part sadly. However mentioning this is silly as it can be seen in the flashback that Roger could, with haki alone match the power output of Whitebeard who is amped by a DF fruit wgich is capable of dishing out big numbers of damage. Sadly I am not very knowledgeable on how high AP the characters in OP are scaled to nowadays.
FT's speed is garbage as far as I remember. Kaido should be on the blitzing end unless there have been feats that bring FT back from STATUE status.
Not that I think Kaido wins either. However show the man the respect he deserves. Oden was a loser and Kaido gifted us the end of Odens life.
Overwanked feat, unknown sized continent, it wasn't deep or wide. It's a trash feat even wanking it and assuming the "continent" is the size of Antarctica the feat hardly hits island level.
Garbage feat Aldoron stands at 400+ Teratons>4000x Chinjaos feat just by taking a step.
And Chinjao's "continent-splitting" feat looks to be less than a kilometer lmao
if kaido shoots aldoron's head kaido will kill aldoron
Aldoron took no damage from an attack >>> than the size of his head. Not to mention Kaido doesn't have dragon slaying magic so he's doing nothing to Aldoron
LMAO no. Immunity against magic is an in-verse trait that protects a Dragon from harmful magics. However Kaido uses no such thing, he uses raw physical power to fight which the dragons are not immune to.
Now on to the topic:
If it was Acnologia we were talking about Kaido would give Acnologia the Igneel treatment because Kaido is not missing power. The issue here is Aldoron is a big chunky boi who has traded out a dragons mobility and (possibly) ability to fly for extra tankyness.
People are sleeping on Kaido and that ain't cool man.
Have we forgotten how durable Kaido is? We dont know the limits of Kaido yet. However from what has been show I fail to see how Aldoron can kill Kaido. Stepping on Kaido will legit not work. You guys can argue Aldoron's foot to have planetary durability and that would not change a damn thing as Kaido's body is harder than the soil he stands on. Aldoron at best can send Kaido on a Minecraft mining experience.
Aldoron as seen above destroyed a fleet of ships. All of which are fairly big and scary given they are relative to the size of Aldoron. Be it as it may I struggle to see these ships as something more durable than Kaido himself which brings in to question if the tree roots can doe real damage to Kaido.
For damage bolo breath is a reliable way to scratch the multi-island/"country" potato. Thunder bagua should also not be underestimated. Haki has brought forth an issue of AP for the OP-verse. In Fairy Tail it's easy to see how powerful something is by it's DC as their AP is neglible. Here's an update: AP is not less than DC. It is completely situational depending on foes. On this fight Kaido is actually lacking in DC due to the fact that Aldoron is bigger than most "yo momma" jokes. However in terms of AP One Piece heavenly outshines FT ever since haki started becoming a thing as haki magnifies the intensity of any given attack. This is not reflected in DC for the most part sadly. However mentioning this is silly as it can be seen in the flashback that Roger could, with haki alone match the power output of Whitebeard who is amped by a DF fruit which is capable of dishing out big numbers of damage. Sadly I am not very knowledgeable on how high AP the characters in OP are scaled to nowadays.
FT's speed is garbage as far as I remember. Kaido should be on the blitzing end unless there have been feats that bring FT back from STATUE status.
Not that I think Kaido wins either. However show the man the respect he deserves. Oden was a loser and Kaido gifted us the end of Odens life.
When did I say immunity to Kaido's magic? Also, here's something to remember: Dragons have high physical defense, especially the top tiers. Irene, for example, summoned a meteor that would've destroyed an entire battlefield but Erza destroyed it using a physical attack. That means her attack was > than the meteor. I don't care how bs that was, but that's what what happened, so Erza's attack is stronger than the meteor's. Then she went on to attack Irene with another PHYSICAL attack, but she knew for a fact that she wouldn't have been able to even scratch her, so Wendy gave her the dragon slaying magic attribute. She hurt Irene with a physical attack only AFTER getting the DS attribute, meaning her attack that no sold the meteor wouldn't have put a scratch on Irene until she got DS attribute. Also notice how she just gave her the attribute, she didn't amp Erza in any way. That's how much of an amp the DS attribute gives you. Now I'm not saying you NEED DS magic to harm a dragon, obviously not since we've seen on multiple occasions that's not required, it's just that it gives your attack a much greater amp. Irene is <<<<<<<<<<<< Acnologia in basically every aspect, including defense. And Aldoron's physical abilities >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any FT character we've seen, including Acnologia's.
Now, Kaido's strength >>>>>>>>>>>> Erza's and almost every FT character from what we've seen, I'm not trying to disrespect him. But my point is, Kaido's current feats aren't doing anything notable to Aldoron, even if you were to take away him needing DS magic to have the advantage. Natsu's a fire dragon slayer, meaning he has a double advantage against Kaido (fire is super effective against wood and dragon slaying is super effective against dragons). He used one of his attacks and it did 1 point out of 100,000,000 points (Aldoron has a minion that told Natsu that after he attacked him). Meaning even with that double advantage, he did basically nothing to him. Kaido's boro breath only has one of those advantages and it's pretty comparable to Natsu's attack DC wise.
Furthermore, the thing is Aldoron's physical abilities are crazy good for a character in OP and FT verse. Sure Kaido has EXTREMELY hard skin, but do you think he'd survive a stomp that can destroy a multi-island to small country level range? Even if he somehow did, Aldoron can keep stepping on him. It would be like one of those cartoons where a character repeatedly gets hit on the head with a baseball bat, though this time it's Kaido getting stomped by a small country level being repeatedly. Remember Kaido jumped 10,000 feet and got a headache, which means he got HURT. And I doubt falling 10k feet is even near in power to Aldoron's stomp.
That's why I say Kaido gets stomped (literally).
Kaido is >>> Acnologia phsyically from what I can see, but in total power I'd say Acnologia is greater. Also the fact that Kaido is a dragon and Acnologia has dragon slaying magic gives him an unfair advantage.
I don't really pay attention to speed feats and it would take so much time to write them all down, but yea, Fairy Tail's speed has increased since Alvarez. Laxus blitzed his own lightning when he fought against Erza. He sent a lightning attack at her and while the lightning was on its way to her he punched her before it arrived.
You're funny minecraft joke was pretty funny btw lol.
@dimitri1220: kaido is not physically stronger than Acnologia from where you got that notion? Remember that Acnologia cracked the Fairy sphere powered by over 100 people with physical strength alone.
Same spell that tanked Acnologias breath attack with 0 damage while powered by like 12 people, same breath attack vaporized all tenrpu Island all the way down to the sea floor.
And tenrou island isn't small scaling from the mountain at it's edge is like 30 to 50km I think.
@dimitri1220: kaido is not physically stronger than Acnologia from where you got that notion? Remember that Acnologia cracked the Fairy sphere powered by over 100 people with physical strength alone.
Same spell that tanked Acnologias breath attack with 0 damage while powered by like 12 people, same breath attack vaporized all tenrpu Island all the way down to the sea floor.
And tenrou island isn't small scaling from the mountain at it's edge is like 30 to 50km I think.
Acno physically>the above like 10x over
Physically Kaido has nothing on that level
yo that is actually true, I completely forgot about that. I thought that was due to his resistance to magic but that's actually just his brute strength. His attack that destroyed Tenrou Island didn't even put a scratch on Fairy Sphere but after he got powered by the Ravines of Time he could easily crack it.
All we know is he's much more powerful now, though we don't really know by how much.
@dimitri1220: it's a continent, you do know what that is, right? A continent is literally required to be a certain size, by virtue of name alone it dwarfs alabasta or dressrosa, neither of which were considered continents.
Island sized continents don't exist, or else they are just called islands. We are required to assume the minimum size of a continent, or the largest One Piece country to judge fairly, although it is likely higher. It's also worth noting that the ground was harder than diamonds, so it's yield would be all the higher
Alabasta, a country for example had a 50km wide river, that's over 31 miles for those that don't use kilometers... the country was calced to be over 3200km on naruto forums, yet that size was only a country.
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