Kaguya vs Momoshiki (Composite)

@notcensored:

Again it isn't this example you're still stuck on is the height of unquantifiable and does nothing to further your point

I already proved my point to you, when I showed you a jutsu that stated that only Kaguya is powerful enough to use because of the massive Chakra it takes.

^ that alone proves Kaguya is more powerful. More chakra=More power.

And he also suspected that there was a threat greater than Kaguya which the scroll was literally a worrying written by Kaguya stating that Momo and Kinshiki (by name) would come for the fruit and Sasuke literally implies "yea these are the threats beyond Kaguya Naruto" two suspicions one stone

The scroll also said That Kaguya was going to use Zetus to defeat them. You already killed your own Argument since Kaguya knew of Kinishiki as well so clearly proves that Momoshiki by himself can't beat Kaguya which in this Debate Momoshiki is by himself so he loses.

also...how was Zetsu going to be useful in that fight against God tiers? If Zetsu are useful then that also kills your argument.

The army isn't important its what the army symbolizes the fact Kaguya couldn't beat Momoshiki alone and thought she needed an army or actually did need the army the point works either way

Did you even read your post? it wasn't Momoshiki that she feared, it was Momoshiki+Kinishiki together. Two, not one individual. the fact that Kaguya+Zetsu army=>Momoshiki+Kinishiki you might as well say Kaguya is doing it her self really since Zetsu are fodder.

What part of "She couldn't oppose them without an army" makes you think Momoshiki is weaker than her literally the most blatant of blatant statements that could ever be made about a character being stronger than another character ever of all time

what you showed doesn't prove she can't beat Momoshiki. It showed that she was worried about Momoshiki+Kinishiki together since the scroll mentioned both of them.

so...Kaguya with an army of Zetsu to fight Both Momoshiki+Kinishiki doesn't demean anything from KAguya.

so to summarize everything for you:

Kaguya needing an Army to fight Momoshiki+Kinishiki...doesn't prove that Kaguya needs that same army to fight Just Momoshiki by himself.

@notcensored: naruto wankers like you are cancer

If we're using game feats as well i don't see why Kaguya doesn't stomp. Her ETSB in storm 4 was a much better than Momoshiki's dimension feat and the supernova statement, which wasn't confirmed if he did it or not.

@notcensored: while I definitely respect your opinion and all , but sorry your points don't seem convincing enough so I'll stick to Kaguya being stronger but thanks for the amazing debate.

I think we’re underestimating the damage Momoshiki’s absorption can wreak on an enemies arsenal

@mygod000: @manimalman:

Look what i'm saying is Momoshiki does not absorb a jutsu and add it to his chakra (this is one of the 7 abilities of the rinnegan), Momoshiki absorbs the attack then shoots it out at x10 the power and from his words he can use techniques he has absorbed endlessly.

The whole "Kaguya was scared of her clan" doesn't make sense when she only thought of three people and out of those people it goes like this => Kinshiki < urashiki < momoshiki < (full power) urashiki < momoshiki (kinshiki absorbed)

so at the end of the day she was still scared of him either way and he should scale to her attacks in storm 4. And the same Momoshiki claimed he could kill Kaguya himself and no one there thought to argue.

And the argument about not being able to absorb what he can't see is just false because he thought the attack failed and didn't bother trying to absorb it, Boruto was clearly talking out his ass. Don't forget about Momoshiki being a prodigy and doing the massive rasengan first try, he is strong but lazy.

@gokukid2005: wait, what? What are the abilities of Momoshike's rinnegan btw, also he just multiplies the power 2× not 10×

Momoshiki still curbstomps her

@haxxxz: nah man it’s 10x at least

Look at what Momo does with the low level jutsu Boruto shot at him from the Kotw

It’s wayyy more than 2x

You are still not even getting the point. Momoshiki needs Kinishiki to even threaten Kaguya.

the fact that She said "They" will be coming for here and we see a Silhouette of Momoshiki+Kinishiki+ a 3rd party in Shippuden destroys your argument that Momoshiki could have ever done anything to Kaguya alone.

Regardless...Momoshiki doesn't have his party with him in this fight. Now, you are going back against your own source that you showed. Sasuke Mentioned both Momoshiki+Kinishiki by name regardless it wasn't a 1v1 Momoshiki was going to do against Kaguya it was going to be Momoshiki+Kinishiki attacking Kaguya.

which proves he is weaker.

You are saying he has an Ability to amp his power 10 fold. that doesn't really matter since if she figured it out how his powers works all she would need to do is H2H him and literally stomp him. Kaguya in H2H is powerful enough to 1 shot Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo.

even in novels it stated Rock Lee could take on Momoshiki himself.

So...no he isn't in Kaguya league, but he could get to her league only if she spams jutu at him. Sasuke was the one in the anime who said that about Momoshiki not being able to absorb what he can't see.

IF Momoshiki was more powerful than Kaguya, sasuke during their first encounter would have stated this to naruto in the manga i just posted hours ago. He didn't those, Sasuke only stated he fought a weird duo when he found the scroll and left it at that, he never said these guys are more powerful than Kaguya since he sensed Kaguya in the war arc.

Momoshiki said that only in the anime, and was clearly talking out of his neck, since he was saying he would easily beat Naruto and we all know what happened to him in that fight against Naruto. in the anime it showed the audience how Momoshiki and Kinishiki handled killer Bee....and from the look of it Even Killer bee had a decent chance of beating Momoshiki if he didn't spam Jutsu against him.

Also, Killer Bee didn't even make any reference about Momoshiki's power compared to past people he only said Momoshiki was a cheater and was evil.

@haxxxz:

Deva Path: grants control over retractive and repulsive forces

Asura Path: gives the user mechanized items such as limbs, extra faces, lasers, guns, missiles e.t.c.

Human Path: allows you to remove someone’s soul and read their mind, killing them in the process

Animal Path: allows you to summon a bunch of giant creatures: Crab, Cerberus(grows a new head everytime it gets injured), Bird(it has a drill-like beak), Panda(indestructible body), Chameleon, Rhino and even other people.

Preta Path: grants the user the ability to absorb chakra in any form, and adds it to user's chakra supply.

Naraka Path: user can summon the King of Hell. He can rip out the tongue of people who lie in his presence or just refuse to answer and entering the mouth of the King of Hell completely heals you(even missing limbs and so forth).

Outer Path: allows users the power to control life and death. With this power, the user is able to revive the dead. The Rinnegan allows for the creation of black receivers, and by transmitting their chakra into these receivers, the user can bind anyone they touch through the power of the Outer Path. The user can also manifest the chakra chains of the Gedo Statue to restrain those who touch the receivers with an even greater binding power. By implanting black receivers into corpses or reincarnated individuals, the user can reanimate and remotely control the bodies as the Six Paths Of Pain. These bodies, as well as the King Of Hell and the creatures summoned through the Animal Path, all have reflections of the Rinnegan in their eyes and share visual information with the user through the Outer Path.

Takamimusubinokami: After absorbing his enemies' ninjutsu with the Rinnegan in his right hand, Momoshiki can release those same techniques from the Rinnegan in his left hand, whilst amplifying their power several times over.

Chakra Edible Creation: By using his Rinnegan, Momoshiki is able to fully absorb the bodies of his target by turning them into chakra-filled edibles, which are shaped like Chakra Fruit. When eaten, Momoshiki will transform into a demonic-like being, and will have access to all of the target's abilities. Momoshiki also uses this technique to absorb chakra and transform it into chakra pills to grant him immense power and temporary immortality(long life), although he has to keep taking the pills to retain his enhanced abilities and immortality(long life).

If you look at this from the hype that momoshiki got...he should be stronger than kaguya. When you look at it from the feats. Kaguya seemed more impressive. But if kaguya and Momoshiki fought each other. Momomshiki should win every time. It was stated that Kaguya did in fact fear Momoshiki and Kinshiki

here I introduce a new piece of evidence

This comes from the novel. It’s very clearly stated here that Kaguya had died, and that there was no such thing as immortality.

Want some more proof?

In the data book it’s stated that the pills grant immortality. Yet Momoshiki was still killed, even though he has consumed numerous pills, and needs to continue consuming pills/fruits to extend his life, which points to the fact that so called immortality is just prolonged youth and longevity

And think about it, if teenage Naruto and Sasuke who barely understood their new powers beat Kaguya, and Adult Naruto and Sasuke beat Momoshiki after completely mastering their powers, shouldn’t Momoshiki logically be a harder opponent than Kaguya? And they didn't do it easily mind you.