Kaguya vs Momoshiki (Composite)

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Kaguya fodderizes

Momoshiki is already beyond Kaguya even without being Composite.

He takes this Mid Diff

When Momoshiki eats the chakra fruit he said "finally a decent harvest" meaning they don't eat that on a regular basis. Rather they eat Red Earth which are smaller doses of chakra fruit. Also not the chakra fruit are the same, the God Tree on Earth is much larger than the ones seen on Momoshiki's planet. That one chakra fruit is enough for Kaguya to awaken the Rinne Sharingan while Momoshiki awakens nothing when he ate his.

Momoshiki obviously. Was beating down Naruto and Sasuke at the sametime amd was still keeping up when they got serious. Same Naruto and Sasuke who are stronger than there "The Last" counterparts. Same "The Last" counterparts that are a great deal stronger than there war counterparts.

Its really not that hard. Only thing kaguya has is immortality. If we include the canon boruto novel. Momoshiki beats her with the shockwave of snapping his fingers.

If we use game Kaguya it’s a super stomp since she had multiple stars in her dimension

@oreo6:

While even Canon Momoshiki beats Kaguya with Mid Diff at worst

Momoshiki is not going to beat Kaguya just by snapping his fingers.

It would last longer than you think...

@animefreak1: In the canon novel, momoshiki was absorbing multiple dimensions whole. Just one of these dimensions were shown in the anime to house dozens of stars and nebula. Just ONE and the novel says he absorbed multiple. Kaguya is at best nigh solar system since her dimensions are earth to sun radius in size or you could say large star+. Meanwhile fused momoshiki would be MANY MANY times above that for absorbing dozens upon dozens of stars and nebulas. Even if he just absorbed that ONE dimension that contained over a dozen stars and a nebula, that would be massively above kaguya whos dimension only contained a sun, moon and planet. Powerscaling wise he could in fact snao his fingers and she'd die. (If not for immortality)

this thread is literaly naruto fanboys battling whos wank is better.

Composite versions of any character are just fanfic, but create threads crossover using composite versions of an alien named Goku entitled to a lying powerscalle and virtually no one complains, here at least are two characters from the same verse!

Anyway Kaguya and Momoshiki considering all Naruto verse including games and novels ... I think Momoshiki wins due to the feat of absorbing dimensions

Boruto fans Logic: Momoshiki absorbed a whole dimension which Had a nebula in it...there for he is easily nebula level at bare minimal.

Creating a Dimension and absorbing a Dimension doesn't make you universal level or Nebula level.

that is just Absurd thinking....Kaguya wins.

Using a novel that's hardly canon for a movie that was retconned isn't evidence for momoshiki

OT: kaguya bodies

Is there confirmation that Naruto and Sasuke got weaker or is there only implied statements?

Weaker as in Naruto no longer has Six path Powers anymore, and neither Naruto and Sasuke have the seals which is a instantly kill and defeat any Otsutsuki just by them touching them together.

Kaguya trashes the fodder

@animefreak1: I dont think so but if thats what you beleive than fine.

@mygod000: He has six paths sage mode and the tattoos dont buff them. They were only used for a sealing jutsu. A sealing jutsu that seals. Not instakill.

@theemperor95: Ill wait for proof the novels not canon. Especially when it was already inserted into the main timeline. https://m.imgur.com/kfQiFSA Yall just be callin things non-canon without even doing the research to know if its canon or not lol. Kaguya gets dusted.

@mygod000: Who here says absorbing a dimension makes you universal? Pulled that assumption out of nowhere. It makes him MULTIPLE times above star level though. And thats only with one. Novel says he absorbed multiple.

And yes absorbing a star would make you star level would it not? 😂 anyone whos says otherwise is pretty dumb. What does absorbing mean then? Absorbing is when you add something your strength. Aka momoshiki was adding dozens upon of dozens of stars and nebula to his strength.

No, Absorbing something in Naruto doesn't make you anything. it just means he can absorb a Dimension. the Novels are not even Canon anyway.

No proof that That had any effect on his Power or AP for that matter that is just head canon and Assumption.

They did, Naruto and Sasuke no longer have the seals at all. Naruto can't even do the same powers he healed Kakashi eyes with and got him a new one.

all that is gone unless you can prove it.

@mygod000: Actually they are. I alreadys showed there part of the official boruto timeline. And no. Look up what the word absorbing means and then come back cause apparently you think absorbing power from something means you don't get buffed 🤔🤔🤔🤔 so yeah. Ill wait dont worry.

Plus the chakra is half spiritual and half physical power. So further evidence his AP and stats got upgraded. More chakra you have, more physical power you have.

Says who? Who said Naruto cant heal on the same calibur anymore? There was never a situation where someones eyes got ripped out. And again tattoos dont buff your stats. How about showing proof the tattoos buff you instead of again, assumptions? Your the only one here saying they did so burden of proof is on you. The only thing the tattoos did was give them a sealing jutsu. Thats all.

they Lost there powers like I said. i am saying the buff doesn't affect his Power at all, he didn't become dimension buster no one in Naruto outside of Kaguya can destroy a star let alone a Dimension.

Stated Naruto and Sasuke together=Continental.

Naruto and Sasuke when they got serious one shot Momoshiki

@mygod000: Proof being? Again. Last time i checked, absorbing something means your getting the strength of that thing. Thats the point of asborbing and again chakra = half spiritual and half physical power. Further evidence his AP was buffed.

No he stated they can destroy a continent which they can. Wheres your proof he meant that was there maximum? Especially when there swapping hands with people like kaguya who is above continental and of course momoshiki?

Not in the anime which has also been stated canon.

@mygod000: And Naruto and Sasuke didnt lose there powers. Still waiting for proof on that. Sasuke himself debunks you cause he got his rinnegan from hogoromo and he still has it till this day.

you were just saying I was Making assumptions now you have become a hypocrite and now are using assumptions.

Naruto and Sasuke haven't destroy more than Continent they haven't ever in the serious. when you show me there D/C being higher then we can talk till then you are using headcanon.

for 134 eps of Boruto and we haven't even seen close to them doing that level of attack how much more proof do you need that they are not on that level?

if He gaines the attack of what he absorb and you claim he been getting planet level boost for 1000s of years how is that Shinkamaru can hold him and Momoshiki had to rely on absorption to free himself?

Like stop it Momoshiki and Naruto are all in the multi-country to Continental Range.

@mygod000: What assumption have i made? Please explain it.

They havent destroyed a complete continent either so theres that. So you think kaguyas continental? Okay. Thanis for your input.

Merged zamasu and ssb vegetto couldnt even destroy an already destroyed city so i guess there not continental either. Even when there serious.

Shikamaru didnt restraik him at all. If he did then he wouldnt have been able to lift his hand and absorb his jutsu in the first place 🤦‍♂️ also momoshiki absorbs everything. He even absorbs the ninja tool jutsus so agreeing he NEEDED to absorb the shadows simply cause he absorbed it means you think scientific ninja tool > > > momoshiki which also means scientific ninja tool > > > Naruto and Sasuke.

MyGod000's logic: Because there fighting pkanetary and above beings who can destroy dimensions. I conclude there continental. I guess kaguyas dimension was continent sized. My bad.

@mygod000: You cant just pick and choose what to acknowledge. Momoshiki absorbed multiple dimensions filled with dozens of stars and nebula. Kaguya destroyed a dimension that had a planet, moon and a sun AND her dimensions were earth to sun in radius. You cant call them continental no matter how hard you try. Even if you lowballed them.

This isn't about DBZ or DBS so why use them as a point in your argument? they are Confirmed planet busters in DBZ and in DBS, who in Naruto outside of Kaguya is confirmed planet buster?

The Ten Tails can destroy a planet over time and has over planet+ level chakra...but that doesn't automatically make you planet buster.

Madara with his strongest attack is Large planet Level in AP but like I said nothing planet busting level those.

that an assumption never said the Scientific Ninja tools Momoshiki, right now you are back into a Wall and you are failing to make a argument and you are just swing for anything that moves.

I told you that Naruto and Sasuke=Continental which you agreed...then you said "that doesn't mean it there max D/C" which you made an assumption. We go by what the feats show and what statements say together to find some medium on here we don't over rate them on here Gosh you don't even know how to comic Vine right.

There is no statements of anyone in Naruto or Boruto being light speed outside of Madara's Light fang. What are you going to say about that? use assumptions and ambiguous Scaling? if we have no proof for the Latter stick with the former and wait for feats to come out to prove your point.

right now we don't have any proof of Naruto and Sasuke being able to go above Continental, that is the only confirmed D/C feats we know and Shikamaru saw the Toneri fight and knows Sasuke is His Rival so i sure his statements are sound since he is one of the most smartest ninja when it comes to research on the planet.

@mygod000: Uhm...why not use them? The fact that it happened in another fiction shows that just cause characters can destroy something doesnt mean thats always the case when they fight. So why assume Narutoverse has to follow that rule when other verses like DBS doesnt? And Naruto and Sasuke fought kaguya whos confirmed ABOVE planet level. Point moot. Your acting like scaling isnt a thing lol Naeuto and sasuke scale to kaguya and even if they didnt, they scale to momoshiki. So wether you like it or not there olanet level (MASSIVE LOWBALL).

The fact he has planetary levels of chakra proves hes planet level CAUSE AGAIN. CHAKRA = SPIRITUAL AND *PHYSICAL* POWER. and that was an INCOMPLETE ten tails in its FIRST FORM. It transforms two more times later. So calling him planet level is actually a very bad lowball. Even if his DC wasnt planet level, his AP and other stats would be.

If thats what you think. Again chakra = half spiritual and half physical power. Madaras AP overall should be above planet level according to the verses rules.

Uhm...how is it an assumption. You said because he absorbed shikamarus shadow, that means he NEEDED to cause he was too weak. So that means the scuentific ninja tool is stronger than him cause he absorbed them. Im just using your words dude 😂

Yeah cause you ASSUMED it was there max DC. You literally said Naruto and Sasuke= continental.

You go by feats huh? So then great ape kid gohan beats the universe 12 angel by feats. Yeah real smart 👌 also YOU go by feats. Ive argued with many people who arent dumb and scale. In a debate with ome rn so dont tey and group all of CV with your trash logic. Lol

And again since you conveniently ignored this. Naruto never destroyed a whole continent so by your logic, Naruto still wouldnt be continental. Your cintradicting yourself mate.

Okay? The second Naruto reacted to lightspeed, anyone who was able to tag Naruto was scaled to FTL. For obvious reasons. If Naruto can react to Lighyspeed but he cant react to kaguya whi tagged him multiple times then kaguyas FTL. Thats proof right there.

If you go only by statements than i can say Narutos clothes are made of milk cause theres no statement that specifically stated they were made of cloth.

Yes we do. They fight planetary-star level beings. In boruto there fighting someone who absorbs dimensions fll of dozens of stars.

Hell you want a feat and statement? In boruto Naruto was breaking the universe. Literally causing it to crack just by sitting at his desk and existing. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2fb6ba54ce82363cdbd60e23252a3a81-c

Context: kinshiki told momoshiki that the "spatial curvature" (which was those cracks) was higher than expected due to high chakra. So they attacked earth to find that chakra. Thats the reason they attacked killer bee in the first place but kinshiki corrects him and says the chakra there looking for is further away. Surprise, surprise Naruto gets attacked and captured to get his chakra taken.

And Naruto was doing that BEFORE he even fought momoshiki. So yeah let me know. Inb4 the bias.

So you respond to my argument with an Association fallacy. Like I said Kaguya is only planet buster over time. It happened in DBZ, so let use it for Naruto. let forget that they are confirmed planet Busters while Naruto are not.

It stated in the Databooks that She can only destroy the planet using I.T chakra+ETSB.

stated by Manga and by Databooks

Page 293

Ninjutsu, Kekkei Mora - Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball

No rank, all ranges, offensive

Users: Kaguya Otsutsuki

Enclosing the power of all of creation, a chaos invoking jet black orb

Taking in the chakra of the shinobi that were captured in the Shinju, a maximized "Truth-Seeking Ball". It's the same as the black orbs on Naruto's back after he used the Six Paths Sage Mode, however, their size is not comparable. Taking in all chakra natures and yin and yang at once, it hides within the power to let the world come to naught....!!

⬆ Taking in all natures of chakra, it grows into an enormous mass. A huge ball of chaos that even reshapes the world!

she needs to take the chakra of the Shinobi that were captured in the Shinju to create the attack big enough to even destroy her Planet. with that Logic even Master Roshi in DB can bust a planet giving enough time to charge his attack.

Stop it with this Wank, No one in Naruto is a legit planet busters.

If Momoshiki was planet buster he would have destroyed the planet Naruto and Sasuke was on when they came into his dimension since you said he created a Nebula....so him not destroying the planet when he was getting tapped on his butt from a narrative point doesn't make any sense. especially since it stated the God tree are planted on many other planets and worlds.

Work Smarter not harder.

@mygod000: Thats not an association fallacy actually lol and again your ASSUMING Naruto fictional universes is different with no proof and once again burden of proof is on you cause your the one claiming its different "JuSt BeCaUsE".

Shes not planet buster if her dimensions have a sun. AS A MATTER OF FACT YOUR CONTRADICTING YOURSELF AGAIN. You say you go by feats but kaguya never destroyed a planet lol and again naruto and sasuke never destroyed a complete continent.

First of all kaguya was HEAVILY weakened due to the fight with Naruto and Sasuke when she absorbed those shinobi. Hell she just got finished getting her arm cut off. Also Naruto with just 50% of kurama was able to power up the entire army by 10x the chakra of kakashi (kakashi states Narutos chakra was about 10x his due to nine tails). So if you agree she needed the shinobis chakra than you would be aggreeing that just 50% of kuramas chakra would be enough to give her the power to bust a earth to sun radius sized dimension....Meaning BM Naruto was already on kaguyas level by YOUR logic.

Again if zamasu was a planet buster he wouldve destroyed the planet. If buu was a planet buster he wouldve destroyed supreme kais planet.

This might be derailing a bit but whats your excuse for those villians? If your excuse for Naruto villians is that there simply not that level then that means you u have the same excuse for DBZ villians right? Otherwise you would be biased agaisnt Naruto.

Either way my evidence HEAVILY outweighs yours. While im using scaling from IN-SERIES things as well as statement's, your contradicting yourself multiple times and your only argument is "Well then he shouldve....well then they shouldve....". Like cmon dude. The novel SAYS IT TO THE AUDIENCE that he absorbed those dimensions. Your words have no merit after that.

@mygod000: Also i already proved you wrong by your own logic anyway. By feats and statement Naruto has broken space and time before as i showed you with that link you conveniently ignored.

Lol again by your logic great ape kid gohan is above the universe 12 angel. Stop being braindead.

Using feats alone is the dumbest thing you can do in a versus

@oreo6:

That's exactly what I've told him

He thinks Hokage Naruto is Multi Country-Small Continent Level at best

Which he surpassed a long time ago.

@animefreak1: His problem is hes going by feats and throwing scaling out the window. And what makes it worse is how his own logic betrays him cause kaguya never destroyed a planet on panel but yet hes okay calling kaguya planet level. Naruto never destroyed a complete continent. Neither has sasuke but yet hes okay calling them continental? Makes no sense.

You NEED scaling. You CANT debate fictional characters without scaling or else the argument can be made kid goku outstats whis.

@oreo6:

He actually thinks Madara is the strongest Naruto character

He has a habit of downplaying every Naruto Character except for

Madara and Kaguya

@animefreak1: yeah id beleive it. Funny thing is i bet he has no problem saying gokus a planet buster even tho feat wise hes never busted even a mountain on panel before. I bet he has no problem saying 80% of the cast is planet level even tho in ALL of DBZ only 4 peopl have busted a planet and thats king vegeta (which wasnt even in the manga), nappa, vegeta and kid buu. I may be missing someone but less than 10 people have busted planets in DBZ.

@oreo6:

Actually, surprisingly more than that

1. Zeno (Erased Multiple Universe)

2. Beerus (Destroyed Multiple Planets and even Stars)

3. Champ (Destroyed Multiple Planets)

4. Super Shenron (Restored Multiple Universes)

5. Golden Frieza (Destroys Earth)

6. Goku (Destroys a Moon and Planet in a shared feat with Beerus when they had that Universal Outlier)

7. Vegeta (Destroyed Hyperbolic Time Chamber which is Earth Sized)

8. Buu (Destroyed Earth and Planet after Planet for several years until he killed an entire Galaxy)

And I think like 5 or 6 more people at most, at least Canon wise

@animefreak1: Well i meant in DBZ but yeah thise are good examples too.

using the anime when it convenient for you...but if I bring up something that contradicts that then you jump Ship and saying that the anime isn't canon.

LMFAO...explain how Naruto Cracking the universe is quantifiable feat? in the anime Urashiki got tapped by low tier Ninja and Jiraiya is able to handle OTsutsuki's while being part.

using the Movie Momoshiki used all his pills to travel one Dimension. Something Kaguya can casually do.

Just an FYI Toneri who doesn't even have Tenseigan anymore was able to fix those Cracks so again...how is that even Quantifiable when Toneri in base can casually fix that?

in the anime Hinata went up against These guys so clearly they are not that powerful.

@mygod000: You can say watever you want. I dont deny facts unlike some people.

Its quantifiably above planet level obviously. What? Is cracking space time im base form just by sitting at your desk continental too? 😂 and who cares about urashiki? Urashiki hasnt shown hes on par with momoshiki at all. The only people hes fighting are jaraiya and a nerfed as all hell sasuke. And even then urashikis nit even having trouble with them. The only times hes had trouble was when he was poisoned by jaraiya. Which isnt outpowering or outstating. Its outsmarting.

Alright. Thats base momoshiki. Fused momoshiki is the one that was absorbing dimensions. Plus you dont know what distance he traveled. Kaguyas dimensions are all connected. That was said multiple times. It makes sense itd be easier for her to travel to them.

When did toneri "fix" those cracks? Cause i dont remember anything like that. And that would be a feat for toneri if anything. The same toneri that we've seen for the first time after a decade long time skip. (Naruto fights him at 19. Hokage Naruto is in his 30s).

No she didnt. Hinata didnt do a thing to any of these guys. And even if she did. Again. This is the first time we've seen hinata after a decade long time skip too. If anything that would be one of her first feats. But like i said, she never fought or landed a hit on momo or kinshiki.

Ill tell you one thing though. Passively cracking time and space aint continental lol.

Besides again you fail to realize. Your saying "oh well this if is happening then they cant be this strong". Stop ignoring THROWN IN YOUR FACE FACTS. Momoshiki is giving sasuke and Naruto the literal hands. How can you say with a straight face that there not that strong? That meme you kept posting perfectly expresses how anyone should feel after reading this crap. THE NOVEL IS LITERALLY TELLING YOU AND THE AUDIENCE THAT HE *IS* ABSIRBING THESE DIMENSIONS. Its confirmed so saying "oh well..." doesn't matter. Its already confirmed hes that strong via the narrative telling us he is. And anyone swapping hands with him would either be that strong as well or it would be an outlier at best.

unquantifiable.

that wasn't from Naruto it was from the tailed best all together.

the cracking came from all the Chakra on earth not Naruto otherwise That would have been the first place they went to.

yes, you do deny what is said to you all the time.

@mygod000: First of all they spoke about jinchuriki cause Naruto is one of them. They were talking in general. Otherwise they wouldnt have only caught Naruto. They would have caught ALL the tailed beasts which besides kurama and gyuki are all free yet they neglected them. Plus kinshiki specifically told momoshiki after they attacked killer bee that the chakra source was they were looking for was coming from an area not too far from here (the leaf village) and that was the chakra they were looking for.

I dont. Quote me when i denied something the series said. Meanwhile your over here saying Naruto and sasuke are continental lol. And passively cracking time and space is above continental so in one way or the other your wrong. You can stop the lowball now.

Still waiting for your excuse for DBZ villians and other villians who dont destroy the world when they fight. Your specifically targeting and are biased agaunst Naruto. It makes no sense you can call DBZ and DBS villians planetary and above despite the fact they cant even destroy an already destroyed city but go ahead and say Naruto characters and villians cant be unless they destroy a planet or above.

You cant agree with one and not the other or else thats biased.

The chakra from all of them was causing the tears...since they were talking about the Chakra from the planet as a collective not just Naruto.

as I said It already said that Naruto and Sasuke=Continental we don't need to make assumptions and say what you think they can do they have a statement they are in Continental range together.

Kaguya is the strongest being in the series, Jigen who stopped Naruto and Sasuke is doing the same thing Kaguya did. Jigen can't even handle isshiki power and his Ten tails is baby.

As a matter of fact Jigen defeated Isshiki which proves my point you don't even need to be all powerful to defeat Otsutsuki you just need to have decent power Jiraiya proved that was well when he defeated Urashiki.

OT : Momoshiki wins this. I think this is accepted by everyone that Momo's stats and CQC is better than kaguya's. Well that itself gives momo the win. There is no other way, the fight will come down to CQC. Everything that Kaguya does will get simply absorbed by momoshiki, in fact that's how kaguya will lose. Kaguya is a huge ball of chakra, momoshiki would simply absorb her completely like he would absorb a tailed beast. Momo is completely the anti-thesis of kaguya. Let's now go to kaguya's arsenal, shall we,

Ash bones - They are chakra based So they get absorbed or dodged.

Vacuum fists - This is physical attacks but considering Naruto could fight against them, momo can as well. Not to mention, dodging is still an option.

Dimension hop/dumb - Useless. Momo can dimension hop too.

Flight - So can momo.

Merging with the dimension - The only technique that Momo cannot counter but he can't be killed using it. Naruto survived it rather easily.

ETSB - It simply get's absorbed.

Any other jutsu - Get's absorbed.

Considering this is composite, let's also not forget Momo can absorb energy from other stars and planets so his range is absolutely insane.

As we can see, Kaguya can't really defeat momo using jutsu's and momo is superior in CQC. She get's herself absorbed by Momo.

@mygod000: But it wasnt thiugh...otherwise again kinshiki wouldnt have specifically said the chakra there looking for is coming from the leaf village aka Naruto. PROVING kinshiki and momoshiki were infact after NARUTOS chakra. The narrative disagrees with you here. Also they wouldve took chakra from all of them otherwise and not just settled with Narutos.

Yeah we dont need to make any assumptions cause the series also says momoshiki absorbed dozens of stars and nebulas. Meanwhile your evidence says there country level which they are. We already knew that. They were continental back when they wete teens since there fighting people like kaguya. Stop cherry picking whats canon and whats not. Canon novel still says momo absorbed dimensions full of dozens of stars and nebulas and Nerfed Naruto and sasuke were combating him. So your right. We don't need to assume anything cause there telling it to us in our face.

No shes not. Jigen is. Only difference is kaguya was fighting war arc naruto and sasuke. Jigen is fighting Hokage Naruto and Sasuke who are able to fight people who absorb dozens of stars and nebulas. Unless you can prove the war arc versions are stronger than the current versions. Id love to see how you could explain war arc Naruto being able to fight a guy who absorbs stars and nebulas for breakfast.

Show me the scan jaraiya beat urashiki. And again he outsmarted him. He doesn't outstat him unless you have proof.

I never said you have to be strong to beat an otsutsuki. But saying there weak is retard logic otherwise your saying Naruto and sasuke are weak in the Narutoverse cause momoshiki was slapping them around.

Still waiting for what you think of DBZ and DBS villians since according to you, if you dont destroy a planet, your not planet level.

@mygod000: Also cracking the universe is above continental. Prove otherwise. Unless you think Narutos universe is country sized.

@oreo6: the novel was canon for the movie which got retconned. The movie is different from both the manga and the anime

Everything you just said here Kaguya can do the same thing.

Kaguya can Absorb any Jutsu. Even Madara can absorb Jutsu, so Momoshiki doing what basically every final Villain in Naruto can do isn't very impressive.

the only thing Momoshiki has over Kaguya is that he may or may not be able to turn members of his clan into chakra Fruit.

Like I said it unquatifiable because, and there no proof it self that Naruto did that anyways.

No, Need to prove some that can't be proven or calculated in combat feats.

However, the fact remembers Naruto and Sasuke are weaker than Kaguya. you can't even prove that they are even above Adult Hagoromo and Hamura. Toneri even proved that Naruto+his powers+10000 byakugan Eyes(Which has Been Gathering Chakra from generation) is weaker than Hamura.

Hamura is weaker than Hagoromo, who stated Kaguya was above him.

Naruto and Sasuke together=Continental.

you don't even have proof that Naruto is universal like you are trying to saying. extreme claims demand extreme evidences which you have 0.