Kaguya Ootsutsuki runs the Bleach gauntlet

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Gauntlet

Round 1: Barragan
Round 1: Barragan
Round 2: Monster Aizen
Round 2: Monster Aizen
Round 3: Lille
Round 3: Lille
Round 4: Gremmy
Round 4: Gremmy
Round 5: Composite Ichigo
Round 5: Composite Ichigo
Round 6: The Monk
Round 6: The Monk
Round 7: Juha Bach/Yhwach
Round 7: Juha Bach/Yhwach

Rules

  • Chakra = Reiatsu

  • Kaguya has the Juubi

  • No knowledge

  • No preparation

  • Location: Fake Karakura Town

  • Win by any means

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*I need a bit of help with the order of the gauntlet*

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Curious on the arguments people will make for Kaguya getting around Lille's intangibility.

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#5  Edited By ourmanuel

Gauntlet is out of order, shouldn’t gremmy be below Lille, same with Ichibē. Though it’s debatable because Ichibē only lost to Yhwach due to the almighty, before that he was doing quite well.

Even composite Ichigo should be lower since he has no useful hax.

Also, the quinces should start in vollstandig/with bloodlust

Either way, she can’t get past Lille

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@gear4god said:

*I need a bit of help with the order of the gauntlet*

In verse I would say it goes like this

Barragan<Gremmy<Lille<Ichibei<monster Aizen<Ichigo<Yhwach

For this match I would order it like this

1. Barraga, since aging won't due squat to an immortal and he is the weakest here in general.

2. Gremmy, he couldn't imagine beating Kenpachi, so he won't be able to imagine beating Kaguya who is harder to kill and has more deadly weapons.

3. Ichigo, he is strong but has no way to actually put down Kaguya.

4. Lille, he would be extremely hard to hit, but he has no way of putting Kaguya down and since Kaguya can traverse dimensions she might be able to tag him somehow.

5. Aizen, he is immortal so he has a good chance of surviving some hits, and he may actually have a means of victory with sealing kido, but his chances are extremely low.

6. Ichibei, not as strong as Aizen imo, but he can cut people's powers in half and even give someone the power of an ant, plus he can completely erase people's existence so he can kill Kaguya who is an immortal. However he is heavily outmatched by Kaguya in stats.

7. Yhwach, the only guy not completely out of his league, can see and change the future, and knows and understands all of Kaguya's powers. He can also revive himself if killed so he has multiple chances. He still loses imo, but he is definitely the one with the best chance of winning.

So imo, Kaguya clears.

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@alextheboss: Is it stated anywhere that Kaguya is truly immortal? I see people saying it all the time but have yet to come across a source.

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Clears. No one has an answer for her IT. Bleach verse is simply fodder against illusions.

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@limitlesssigil: Madara stated he was immortal after absorbing the god tree, so logically Kaguya, would be too as it was her power originally and she took over Madara's body. There is also the seen where here body seemed to emerge from being completely chakra. Kaguay could probably be killed/destroyed if she is completely vaporized or something, but none of the characters here have the means to do that. Basically she is about as immortal as Aizen. Both can lose to characters much stronger than them, but the aging power from Barragan shouldn't work as they don't die from old age.

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@b_r023:

IT isn't instant, and show me an instance of IT working on an intangible being.

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#11  Edited By LimitlessSigil

@alextheboss: Didn't Hagoromo and Hamura die of old age though?

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@limitlesssigil: Don't remember, but Hagoromo pretty much just came back during the war, so if he did "die" he seemingly can come back from death whenever he wants, unless there is a limit, I don't remember.

However them not being immortal is irrelevant as Madara only became immortal after absorbing the god tree, which I don't think they had absorbed in them.

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@alextheboss: The god tree is literally just the 10 tails, which Hagoromo was the Jinchuriki of. He did die of old age, he came back the same way as Minato did, by implanting his chakra inside his children's descendants, except he did it much more impressively and was able to roam around outside of Naruto's subconscious.

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While Kaguya may have better stats than some here, she's inferior to everyone when it comes to combat experience. Chakra being equal to Reiatsu (and I guess by extend to Reyrioku and Reishi) is a disadvantage considering that's at least one here that can steal powers.

And if Lille starts in Volstanding then Kaguya stops there as she doesn't have any way to harm (or touch) Lille, and with Trumpet, Lille can actually win if he manages to catch her.

Also, IIRC, IT didn't worked on Edos, who are basically souls in an "artificial" body, so it won't probably work here too (hint: because everyone here is just a soul).

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This is my thread, so I can't debate... but I do wonder how they will answer to a space-time getting erased. They wouldn't even be floating in a space, it would just be a void of nothingness. Can Lille come back from that?

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#16  Edited By ovy7

@gear4god: Didn't Kaguya needed to absorb the chakra from everyone rooted to the God Three to do that? She won't be able to access that considering that she's in Soul Society.

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@ovy7: That's the starting local.

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@b_r023 said:

Clears. No one has an answer for her IT. Bleach verse is simply fodder against illusions.

Ooc.

It doesn’t launch right off the bat

Didn't work on edo tensei

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@alextheboss: gremmy didn’t “lose to Kenpachi” he lost to himself since he didn’t imagine a body like kenpachi. He could’ve killed him like he did to those 2 captains, or turned him to cookies, but he just wanted to fight him mono et mono. I don’t know why people choose to base everything about gremmy on that singular moment of PIS. He’s literally stated to be the strongest Quincy after Yhwach not to mention being on the same power level as Mimihagi/possibly the soul king. Saying he lost to Kenpachi is like saying Kaguya lost to Sakura lmao.

Being able to traverse dimensions wouldn’t help Kaguya against Lille. And I’m pretty sure trompete can bypass her regen since it’s on a wide scale and ”erases” though this is debatable. Then again, it worked when it was reflected back at him, something even shunsui’s conceptual hax couldn’t, so it’s still likely.

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@ourmanuel: Good thing no one in Bleach is Edo tensei.

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Clears. Could potentially stop at Gremmy & Yhwach.

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Stops at Yhwach

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@b_r023 said:

@ourmanuel: Good thing no one in Bleach is Edo tensei.

No even better the Shinigami are straight up souls. IT isn't working on them.

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@limitlesssigil: Madara stated he was immortal after absorbing the god tree, so logically Kaguya, would be too as it was her power originally and she took over Madara's body. There is also the seen where here body seemed to emerge from being completely chakra. Kaguay could probably be killed/destroyed if she is completely vaporized or something, but none of the characters here have the means to do that. Basically she is about as immortal as Aizen. Both can lose to characters much stronger than them, but the aging power from Barragan shouldn't work as they don't die from old age.

Literally a chapter before he became "completely immortal"

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he admitted he almost died.

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Absorbing the shinju tree (which gave no explanation as to why he's all of a sudden fully immortal) and making a statement doesn't all of a sudden put them on Aizen's level of immortality.

If that's the case then Yamamoto's and Yhwach's world busting statements are also irrefutable facts since they have way more support and make more logical sense than Madara's immortality statement.

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Kaguya clears the verse

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#28  Edited By RuthlessKiller

Kaguya clears. And she is as immortal as madara, and the shiki trio. They won't die of old age, and have an insane reegen, but apply enough force, and you can kill them

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@alextheboss: gremmy didn’t “lose to Kenpachi” he lost to himself since he didn’t imagine a body like kenpachi.

if he can't imagine someone like kenpachi, how can he imagine someone like kaguya, who is above kenpachi?

He could’ve killed him like he did to those 2 captains, or turned him to cookies, but he just wanted to fight him mono et mono.

So he loses to kaguya because oh his stupidity.

I don’t know why people choose to base everything about gremmy on that singular moment of PIS.

Because it's an anticlamtic ending. But it's also canon, so it's what people will use to gain any edge in the debate.

He’s literally stated to be the strongest Quincy after Yhwach not to mention being on the same power level as Mimihagi/possibly the soul king.

Gremmy<=Soul King?

Saying he lost to Kenpachi is like saying Kaguya lost to Sakura lmao.

Except kenpachi stomps sakura and he is one of the god tiers of bleach, so wrong analogy.

Being able to traverse dimensions wouldn’t help Kaguya against Lille.

How?

And I’m pretty sure trompete can bypass her regen since it’s on a wide scale and ”erases” though this is debatable.

Not enough feats for trompete. And while he's preparing it, what stops kaguya from killing him with all killing ash bones?

Then again, it worked when it was reflected back at him, something even shunsui’s conceptual hax couldn’t, so it’s still likely.

Yeah. This is gonna be fun

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Stale mate at 1. All kaguyas attacks degenerate over time, thus can't get through barragans power, but his powers won't age her due to immortality.....eventually barragan joins kaguya to have his own dimension to rule.

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Stale mate at 1. All kaguyas attacks degenerate over time, thus can't get through barragans power, but his powers won't age her due to immortality.....eventually barragan joins kaguya to have his own dimension to rule.

So what stops kaguya from changing dimensions and leaving him there?

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@crazychemist887: No. When she bfrs, she carries everyone she wants away with her. and sh can leave them in her dimension

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#36  Edited By Revold

@limitlesssigil said:

@alextheboss: Didn't Hagoromo and Hamura die of old age though?

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@alextheboss: The god tree is literally just the 10 tails, which Hagoromo was the Jinchuriki of. He did die of old age, he came back the same way as Minato did, by implanting his chakra inside his children's descendants, except he did it much more impressively and was able to roam around outside of Naruto's subconscious.

Being the Jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails is slightly different from being the Jinchuriki of all nine Tailed Beasts. The former seems to have a unified chakra reserve while the latter has a separate (but connected) one. The God Tree that Juubidara absorbed (the one that Juubito expelled) is the Ten Tails‘ husk, which was what Hagoromo sealed into the Moon after extracting most of its chakra. There is no definite answer to this but Rinne Sharingan/Chakra fruit might be the key to Madara’s immortality. This makes sense when you consider Momoshiki‘s statement that eating pills enables longevity, and those pills are basically small doses of the chakra fruits from other god trees.

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#37  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@ruthlesskiller said:
@crazychemist887 said:

Stale mate at 1. All kaguyas attacks degenerate over time, thus can't get through barragans power, but his powers won't age her due to immortality.....eventually barragan joins kaguya to have his own dimension to rule.

So what stops kaguya from changing dimensions and leaving him there?

Barragan can open a garganta and come back, BFR isn't an option with these characters.

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Kaguya beats everyone, but...

Lille

Ichibei

Ywach

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#41  Edited By Earendill

Basically Yhwach vs Kaguya.Others irrelevant. Round 4 joke, lol.

Kaguya clear ease.

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@leothegreatest: After becoming immortal Madara was completely bisected by Sasuke but wasn't even damaged, so he does have feats backing it up.

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#43  Edited By Thatoneguy887

Stops at 1

Clears others except Aizen and yhwach

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#44  Edited By Gilateen

Kaguya clears.

She can’t be killed

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@alextheboss: The god tree is literally just the 10 tails, which Hagoromo was the Jinchuriki of. He did die of old age, he came back the same way as Minato did, by implanting his chakra inside his children's descendants, except he did it much more impressively and was able to roam around outside of Naruto's subconscious.

As someone else already explained, that's not quite correct.

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#46  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@alextheboss:

That's not enough evidence to suggest that their immortality is on Aizen's level.

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#47  Edited By ourmanuel

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@ourmanuel said:

@alextheboss: gremmy didn’t “lose to Kenpachi” he lost to himself since he didn’t imagine a body like kenpachi.

if he can't imagine someone like kenpachi, how can he imagine someone like kaguya, who is above kenpachi?

Read. I said he didn’t imagine a body like kenpachi’s. He already perfectly copied his power.

and who said anything about copying kaguya?

He could’ve killed him like he did to those 2 captains, or turned him to cookies, but he just wanted to fight him mono et mono.

So he loses to kaguya because oh his stupidity.

Wow, here you are repeating the exact same thing that I’m disproving. I guess PIS isn’t a real thing.

I don’t know why people choose to base everything about gremmy on that singular moment of PIS.

Because it's an anticlamtic ending. But it's also canon, so it's what people will use to gain any edge in the debate.

Yeah and it’s also PIS as f**k considering the other 3 people(4 if we count guanael) that he just dispatched, not to mention trying to decimate seireitei.

He’s literally stated to be the strongest Quincy after Yhwach not to mention being on the same power level as Mimihagi/possibly the soul king.

Gremmy<=Soul King?

Gremmy is a part of the soul king just like mimihagi and Gerard. He also created Hikone, an individual who’s reiatsu was compared to that of ichigo and Aizen’s even though he’s only around 10. Hikone is also planned to be the next soul king. This shouldn’t be surprising seeing as Gremmy can double his power with just one clone and this was enough to conjure up a country busting meteor. And we already know he can create more clones.

Saying he lost to Kenpachi is like saying Kaguya lost to Sakura lmao.

Except kenpachi stomps sakura and he is one of the god tiers of bleach, so wrong analogy.

I meant the fact that it was PIS.

Being able to traverse dimensions wouldn’t help Kaguya against Lille.

How?

Wtf does being able to travel through dimensions have to do with hurting lille. So I’ll send it back at you: “how”

And I’m pretty sure trompete can bypass her regen since it’s on a wide scale and ”erases” though this is debatable.

Not enough feats for trompete. And while he's preparing it, what stops kaguya from killing him with all killing ash bones?

Trompete gathers light beams with the X-axis And fires them and it’s AOE was large enough to destroy around A 3rd of one of the royal cities. A small part of It also got reflected at him with Nanao’s sword and it bypassed his durability and regen. So I don’t know what you mean by “not enough feats”. I guess we’ll just disregard any ability in bleach that was only shown once.

And ash bones? Really? Against the regen of someone who’s also intangible? What feats does it have apart from working on obito? Couldn’t even work on DMS’s intangibility. Did you really come up with that argument?

Then again, it worked when it was reflected back at him, something even shunsui’s conceptual hax couldn’t, so it’s still likely.

Yeah. This is gonna be fun

Didn’t even bother making an argument here huh? Hurr durr.

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So what stops kaguya from changing dimensions and leaving him there?

The fact that he’s a Quincy who can teleport back with the shadow or possibly his vollstandig’s teleportation....

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@gear4god said:

*I need a bit of help with the order of the gauntlet*

In verse I would say it goes like this

Barragan<Gremmy<Lille<Ichibei<monster Aizen<Ichigo<Yhwach

For this match I would order it like this

1. Barraga, since aging won't due squat to an immortal and he is the weakest here in general.

2. Gremmy, he couldn't imagine beating Kenpachi, so he won't be able to imagine beating Kaguya who is harder to kill and has more deadly weapons.

3. Ichigo, he is strong but has no way to actually put down Kaguya.

4. Lille, he would be extremely hard to hit, but he has no way of putting Kaguya down and since Kaguya can traverse dimensions she might be able to tag him somehow.

5. Aizen, he is immortal so he has a good chance of surviving some hits, and he may actually have a means of victory with sealing kido, but his chances are extremely low.

6. Ichibei, not as strong as Aizen imo, but he can cut people's powers in half and even give someone the power of an ant, plus he can completely erase people's existence so he can kill Kaguya who is an immortal. However he is heavily outmatched by Kaguya in stats.

7. Yhwach, the only guy not completely out of his league, can see and change the future, and knows and understands all of Kaguya's powers. He can also revive himself if killed so he has multiple chances. He still loses imo, but he is definitely the one with the best chance of winning.

So imo, Kaguya clears.

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#50  Edited By WhatamIseeing

Makes it to Yhwach. If Gremmy is bloodlusted no PIS/CIS he wins. Regular Gremmy loses every time