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#1 Posted by omriamar (7068 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals On, Full Knowledge, No BFR, Battle On Toriko Planet

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#2 Posted by HitTheAssasin (7295 posts) - - Show Bio

Jirou blitzes. His knocking is perfectly suited for handling immortal opponents.

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#3 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (17515 posts) - - Show Bio

Jirou knocks 'em up.

:)

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#4 Posted by Earendill (739 posts) - - Show Bio

Jirou

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#5 Posted by El_directo_ (74 posts) - - Show Bio

Jirou highdiff due to yhwach

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#6 Posted by FaradaySloth (5097 posts) - - Show Bio

Jirou stomps

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#7 Posted by EcoBlitz (3285 posts) - - Show Bio

@el_directo_: Jirou does not high diff anyone from the hst. He taps both of them and their heads roll off at FTL speeds and they die

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#8 Posted by Helloman (24849 posts) - - Show Bio

Jirou wins.

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#9 Edited by SocaJunkie (7639 posts) - - Show Bio

Jirou is FTL, negated enough damage done to his body over the course of his life time to destroy his bigger-than-Uranus sized planet ‘countless times over,’ negated an attack done to his body that would have rocked the mantle of said planet, can stop time in his vicinity, punched a spore with the gravitational energy of a large planet into space while still suppressing his full power, has paralzyed Blue Nitro by breathing on them, has used knocking to paralyse a Blue Nitro forever, has planet level energy blasts with the potency to pierce through the planet and travel through earth sized continents and he would have successfully paralysed Acacia had he not left the head un-knocked. Lastly, he taught Teppei how to Knock the planet to stop it from exploding with enough power to dwarf a supernova.

He mates them.

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#10 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

Instantaneous Infinite Tsukuyumi by Almighty.

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#11 Edited by WorldofRuin6 (1260 posts) - - Show Bio

Jirou stomps.

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The aftermath of Jirous's casual attacks solos 90% of the HST.

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#12 Posted by maestromage (641 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiro blitzes both and one shots/knocks them

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#13 Posted by SocaJunkie (7639 posts) - - Show Bio

Jirou, still a mismatch.

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#14 Posted by Jko1 (1980 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Edited by B3rnkastel (197 posts) - - Show Bio

Hyper mismatch. Jirou wins.

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#16 Posted by EcoBlitz (3285 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by Wanderez (391 posts) - - Show Bio

Still dont see how the sealing doesnt get nullified.

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#18 Posted by Myleftbuttcheeksolos (206 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao. Inb4 lock.

Jirou one shots the statues.

Literally laughed out loud at him being sealed by people who can't keep up.

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#19 Posted by Wanderez (391 posts) - - Show Bio

Im saying that everything he has gets nulled. He cant put down Yhwach either, not sure about Kaguya.

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#20 Edited by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

if characters can't work as a team what's the point of having them team up in the first place?

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#21 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: I would love to hear a coherent argument from you explaining how all his abilities get nulled.

And since I assume you are talking about Yhwach's power nulling ability it would also be good if you could provide a reasonable basis for Yhwach nullifying the abilities of someone that is this far out of his league.

OT: They both get blitzed before they process a thought. Yhwach's Almighty can't help him if he has no time to utilize it.

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#22 Edited by Wanderez (391 posts) - - Show Bio

@man_of_miracles:

Unless op states Yhwach doesnt start with Almighty, he has it activated from the start.

Yhwach nulling Ichibei's hax. Kaguya probably dies, Jirou cant bypass resurrection.

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#23 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Yhwach negating Ichibei's hax is not a reasonable basis for him negating Jirou's abilities. Jirou is way, way father above Yhwach than Ichebei was.

He can bypass resurrection by knocking/sealing him, using timestop and vaping him.

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#24 Posted by Wanderez (391 posts) - - Show Bio

@man_of_miracles:

Ichibei's conceptual hax got nulled after they affected Yhwach. There is no reason to think anything Jirou can dish out doesnt get nulled.

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#25 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Yhwach negating Ichibei's hax is not a reasonable basis for him negating Jirou's abilities. Jirou is way, way father above Yhwach than Ichebei was.

He can bypass resurrection by knocking/sealing him, using timestop and vaping him.

Feats for jirou blitzing people in character before they even talk?

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#26 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Yhwach negating Ichibei's hax is not a reasonable basis for him negating Jirou's abilities. Jirou is way, way father above Yhwach than Ichebei was.

He can bypass resurrection by knocking/sealing him, using timestop and vaping him.

I remember that fight as Ichibei beating the crap of Yhwach and the only time YHWH scratched him was after activating Almighty.

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#27 Edited by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker: He doesn't need to blitz off the bat. They can't hurt him and he can casually blitz any time he decides to.

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#28 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker: He doesn't need to blitz off the bat. They can't hurt him and he can casually blitz any time he decides to.

Wouldn't that Yhwach all the time he needs to see every future where they lose and choose a future where they win? Like choose a future where Kaguya spam Infinite Tsukuymi and make it appear in less than an instant? Is not like Jirou will know what Yhwach is doing since he doesn't move a muscle and you don't know if he is using his power until the change already happened.

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#29 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: The fact that Jirou is several orders of magnitude more powerful than Yhwach is reason to assume his powers don't get negated.

Yhwach negating Ichibei's power has no bearing on this because Ichibei and Yhwach are similar in power.

Any ability has upper limits. Trying to apply power negation to someone that is several times more powerful than anyone it's ever been used on is fallacious.

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#30 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker: There is no future in which they can beat a FTL light character with multi planetary power output, time manipulation and permanent paralysis abilities.

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#31 Posted by Wanderez (391 posts) - - Show Bio

@man_of_miracles:

His powers got conceptually erased. And he nulled that. There is nothing in Jirou's arsenal capable of doing something remotely close to this.

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#32 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: The fact that Jirou is several orders of magnitude more powerful than Yhwach is reason to assume his powers don't get negated.

Yhwach negating Ichibei's power has no bearing on this because Ichibei and Yhwach are similar in power.

Any ability has upper limits. Trying to apply power negation to someone that is several times more powerful than anyone it's ever been used on is fallacious.

@wanderez: The fact that Jirou is several orders of magnitude more powerful than Yhwach is reason to assume his powers don't get negated.

Yhwach negating Ichibei's power has no bearing on this because Ichibei and Yhwach are similar in power.

Any ability has upper limits. Trying to apply power negation to someone that is several times more powerful than anyone it's ever been used on is fallacious.

How is Yhwach similar to Ichibei in power? Ichibei was toying around with him and I don't remember Yhwach landing a scratch on Ichibei before Almighty.

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#33 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker: There is no future in which they can beat a FTL light character with multi planetary power output, time manipulation and permanent paralysis abilities.

But you just said he doesn't blizt at the start of the fight and he has ZERO knowledge on their powers. To jirou it will just look as they are standing there doing nothing.

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#34 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Explain the statement "his powers got conceptually erased" and how that in any way applies to this situation.

You can't just throw around buzzwords as an argument.

Yhwach straight up does not have the requisite power to nullify Jirou's abilities. He has never demonstrated even near the power necessary at any point to stop Jirou from steamrolling him not to mention that Jirou has potent hax of his own.

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#35 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Explain the statement "his powers got conceptually erased" and how that in any way applies to this situation.

You can't just throw around buzzwords as an argument.

Yhwach straight up does not have the requisite power to nullify Jirou's abilities. He has never demonstrated even near the power necessary at any point to stop Jirou from steamrolling him not to mention that Jirou has potent hax of his own.

I believe he is saying that Yhwach negated better hax.

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#36 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker: Yhwach is far, far closer in power to Ichebei than he is to Jirou. I don't know how else to explain that to you. Ichibei and Yhwach are in the same general tier. Jirou and Yhwach are not.

It does matter if they look like they aren't doing anything, they can't hurt him and his aoe can casually one shot them.

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#37 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker: it isn't about negating better hax. It's about negating the power behind the hax.

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#38 Posted by PlanetBuster012 (448 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Explain the statement "his powers got conceptually erased" and how that in any way applies to this situation.

This isn't a buzzword it's what happened, Ichibe erased Yhwach on a metaphysical level (Name). He was no longer Yhwach. Jirou has nothing in his arsenal that can stop Almighty.

You can't just throw around buzzwords as an argument.

Yhwach straight up does not have the requisite power to nullify Jirou's abilities. He has never demonstrated even near the power necessary at any point to stop Jirou from steamrolling him not to mention that Jirou has potent hax of his own.

Why is comicvine always walking around with a hard on for DC? it's entirely irrelevant here if you can't circumvent Yhwach's hax and stop his resurrection. Jirou kills him and he literally resurrects.

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#39 Edited by Wanderez (391 posts) - - Show Bio

@man_of_miracles:

Okay, lets follow your logic. Yhwach became an ant (literally). And he nulled Ichibei's hax. Normal human... fuck no, newborns-infinitely>ants, lets not mention Ichibei, lets just not. Does that sound better? Jesus, you gotta understand it:

Conceptual erasure>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything Jirou can do.

Im outta here. Thats just sad.

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#40 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@cocoussybreaker: Yhwach is far, far closer in power to Ichebei than he is to Jirou. I don't know how else to explain that to you. Ichibei and Yhwach are in the same general tier. Jirou and Yhwach are not.

It does matter if they look like they aren't doing anything, they can't hurt him and his aoe can casually one shot them.

No there are not in the same level. Ichibei >>>Base Yhwach

You completely missed the point of my comment. Yhwach thinks, changes future, and it happens without Jirou knowing about it because Jirou isn't doing anything while Yhwach can see everything and use his power without alerting the enemy. If you want to post TP resistance for Jirou now is the time, because he is getting under that Infinite Tsukuyumi before he even looks at the moon.

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#41 Edited by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@man_of_miracles said:

@cocoussybreaker: it isn't about negating better hax. It's about negating the power behind the hax.

Then how was Yhwach able to negate Ichibei's powers when his physical stats where reduce to that on ant without any hax.

Ichibei>>>>>Human>>>>>>Ant.= Yhwach <<<<Almighty

Jirou>>>>> Ichibei>>>>>Yhwach <<<<< Almighty

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#42 Edited by Mee09 (5181 posts) - - Show Bio

Jirou should win this handily. I'm not even sure why there are some people arguing that Yhwach can't be killed so it's a stalemate. Jirou doesn't have to kill anyone here to win. He can just touch them both once and leave. Incap does not count as BFR. They won't be strong enough to move after a single attack from Jirou. Well Kaguya might be able to withstand a casual attack. But Yhwach definitely can't.

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#43 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Yhwach has power nullification hence how he nullified Ichibei's power.

He doesn't have concept erasure. Nullifying Ichibei's power has nothing at all to do with Concept Erasing.

But talking to you about this is pointless because as I have seen in other threads you refuse to believe that Yhwach loses under any circumstance.

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#44 Posted by CocoUssyBreaker (1082 posts) - - Show Bio

@mee09 said:

Jirou should win this handily. I'm not even sure why there are some people arguing that Yhwach can't be killed so it's a stalemate. Jirou doesn't have to kill anyone here to win. He can just touch them both once and leave. Incap does not count as BFR. They won't be strong enough to move after a single attack from Jirou. Well Kaguya might be able to withstand a casual attack. But Yhwach definitely can't.

Yhwach was sealed by 1000 seals by the Zero Squad because he is an undead. -.- He will just come back to life.

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#45 Posted by PlanetBuster012 (448 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Yhwach has power nullification hence how he nullified Ichibei's power.

Which Jirou has no resistance feats against lmao.

He doesn't have concept erasure. Nullifying Ichibei's power has nothing at all to do with Concept Erasing.

Saying he doesn't means jack shit unless you have evidence, Names are concepts/idea's, Ichibe freely manipulates names/idea's. Ichibe erased "Yhwach" the name and stripped him of everything, this is conceptual manipulation by definition and nothing you say will refute this like at all.

Provide evidence to suggest knocking will have a greater effect then Ichimonji. Yhwach could drop Jiro in the dangai where he'll be trapped for all eternity, or his shadow dimension.

Yhwach>> Drunk Brick.

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#46 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@planetbuster012:

Yeah it states directly in OP that BFR is not allowed. Way not do even the most basic reading.

Jirou is not a simple brick, he has knocking/sealing techniques, time manipulation, and he is FTL.

You can't read the OP and you don't even know Jirou isn't just a brick. No reason to even address you further.

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#47 Posted by maestromage (641 posts) - - Show Bio

@planetbuster012: I guess Yhwach beats Odin cos Odin doesn't have feats or resisting power nullification.

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#48 Posted by PlanetBuster012 (448 posts) - - Show Bio

@planetbuster012:

Yeah it states directly in OP that BFR is not allowed. Way not do even the most basic reading.

Lmao, you ignore the actual argument and respond to a 1 sentence statement I made at the end?

Jirou is not a simple brick, he has knocking/sealing techniques, time manipulation, and he is FTL.

He is a brick, nor is he a time manipulator. That's simply what eternal knocking does which is a glorified paralysis. If I were to follow your logic Goku isn't a brick because he can seal, and manipulate light with solar flare. He doesn't even have a regeneration feat of note.

You can't read the OP and you don't even know Jirou isn't just a brick. No reason to even address you further.

I humbly accept your concession, considering you couldn't actually refute any of my claims or shows feats of resistance for Jirou.

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#49 Posted by PlanetBuster012 (448 posts) - - Show Bio

@planetbuster012: I guess Yhwach beats Odin cos Odin doesn't have feats or resisting power nullification.

No assuming you actually know who Odin is, a being capable of destroying and restoring concepts on a universal scale as well as being a reality warper. You didn't even understand my point.

Odin =/= Jirou

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#50 Edited by Man_of_Miracles (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

@planetbuster012: 1) are you dumb? He has an ability called 'time knocking' that literally allows him to freeze time in his vicinity. It's not even related to internal knocking.

2) He can use knocking to negate basically any damage done to him as seen in his fight against Acacia. So he doesn't even need regeneration. Not like they can harm him anyway his durability is way beyond the duo.

He is nothing like Goku at all and has legitimate hax that make him far more than a brick. You literally don't know what you are talking about.