Kaguya and Madara vs Base Momoshiki and Kinshiki

lol @ base. Either of team 1 solo. Fused Momo would beat Madara lose to Kaguya

He wouldn't. Fused Momoshiki would get dominated worse than Jigen Dominated Naruto and sasuke.

Like I said this is irrefutable canonically now. Ten tails has be stated above Jigen and Jigen+ tiers, and Both Madara and Kaguya has absorbed the Ten tails.

Yikes

@mygod000: Where are you even seeing anything sort of like that?

The Kages ultimately Agreeing that Facing the Ten tails is a worst-case scenario, then Facing Jigen Tier Cyborgs or code who is stated to actually be far superior to Jigen.

Gaara, and the Kages were perfectly fine with Fighting Against Momoshiki and Kinshiki, but pretty reluctant with wanting to fight The Ten tails.

It was Naruto who Stated It was worse Case Scenario to fight the Ten tails.

It pretty simple to figure out, That Naruto and Sasuke are not as powerful as people wanked them to be.

If Naruto and Sasuke truly was Massively above the likes of JJ Madara and Kaguya(even without the 9 tails since It stated Six paths Mode>9 tails) Then Ten tails wouldn't be any trouble.

This was said:

1. In the context of Naruto and Sasuke both having lost like 95% of their power.
2. Under the assumption that Code is much weaker after the limiters were put on him.
3. Without any knowledge that other Jigen+ cyborgs still exist.

In no way did they say "baby Juubi is stronger than Jigen". Of course the other Kage are scared of Juubi because they aren't and were never God tier. They fought against Momoshiki because they had no choice and got all but 1 shotted. If another Momoshiki attacked right now he'd casually end the world.

Momoshiki is individually stronger than Naruto or Sasuke who dwarf any version of Madara at this point

Kaguya in her own words couldn't take Momoshiki

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Facts

It was Never, Implied or stated Naruto Lost 95% powers, otherwise Post that information. That will end this Discussion real quick. To believe that you have to accept Kurama>Six paths Mode, which the Series States the opposite That Six paths Mode>Kurama. This is irrefuable.

Code Did weaken his powers for Jigen, By how much was unknown. All we know is that Currently Code weaker than Jigen. Judging by the Fact He challenged Cyborg stated to far Surpass Jigen in powers, the difference from code to Jigen isn't massive.

Then there is the Fact that Jigen had Code Watch over the Ten tails while he recovers for two days while Sasuke with a Rinnegan still was out there also implies He wasn't massively weaker.

You need to show me where it said Naruto and Sasuke Lost 95% of their Chakra.

the conclusion is Naruto and Sasuke would still need to use good amount of Chakra to defeat Code, and Consider Kojin could fight A >10% Jigen, who was able to Stomp Naruto and Sasuke. it doesn't change much here at all. Madara and Kaguya stomps them easily.

Edit: base Momoshiki didn't one shot any kages, if he was able to he wouldn't be a Laughing Stock on forums.

Gaara never called Momoshiki a Monster, Code is Stated to be Jigen strongest and Right hand man. Naruto does Know about Code if he able to remove his Limit can make him far surpass Jigen, Eida knows pretty much everything.

The chapter Still ends with Ten tails>Jigen tier Cyborgs.

I don't know why you're trying to fight against it. When Lore has it that Jigen was on earth the whole time while Kaguya, Madara and obito was taking over and did nothing. kind a strange considering Jigen was betrayed and He was considering Killing amando for Betraying him.

Either team 1 solos.

Obviously 6PSM is stronger, but he can't use 6PSM without at least a small amount of chakra from each tailed beast... of which Kurama was one... and no longer exists... so he can't use 6PSM...

Regardless, he is currently weaker than Jigen so you can't use him to word twist anything into being stronger than Jigen.

*Power*, and it's a pretty conservative estimation. Naruto only has toad sage mode now and Sasuke, on top of obviously losing every rinnegan ability, lost his left MS power to control Amaterasu.

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If u read the sakura novel Naruto actually had kuramas DNA and they were able to make portions of 6 tails I think or 4 tails of the valley of the end when Naruto and sasuke fought for the last time Narutos DNA spread and they were able to collect it and it supports this with Naruto and boruto still having whiskers even after losing kurama

@scp-939: get out of here with thay BS momo is fodder man ran from KAGE. Something madara or kagaya would have no problem with

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Well, He only lost the 9 tails first off. According to everyone on this site he still has pieces of the other 8 tails beast chakra. He still has Six paths chakra as well.

Sure He weaker but by how much? Thinking he could Kill a Cyborg that Far surpasses Jigen he would at least need to be comparable in powers to Jigen. Delta fought Naruto because she though she at least close to his power, but then she found out he was Toying with her the whole time. Yes, It would still put the ten tails above Jigen which is stated to be able to destroy the planet something Jigen can't do on his own.

You said He lost 95% of his powers as if many people on this site hasn't be Claiming the 9 tails is fodder and implying That over time Naruto Base form is god tier. by that Logic Naruto didn't lose hardly any power if his Base is already god tier, and He still pieces of the Other Tailed Beast+Asuha's chakra+Sage mode.

Actually Naruto was able to use Six paths Mode without the 9 tails chakra when He fought Madara.

But that was Back when He still had the seals Which he lost and People on here swears up and down Those Seals didn't have chakra. By that Logic of this panel he should still have accesses to Six paths Mode Even without the 9 tails.

Like I said It doesn't change the fact that fighting the Ten tails is stated to be a worse Case Scenario even those Amando stated There may be a way for code to remove his limiter. Naruto knows about this.

So yes Ten tails>Jigen+ tier of power.

@mygod000: as always there is no point debating with you as you're going to ignore facts/context and believe whatever nonsense you want.

Sounds super weird. Doubt that will be relevant to anything in Boruto

What do you mean by that? You came out and started pulling numbers out of your ass, and now you're upset because I didn't go along with your conclusion?

You're the one who is ignoring facts and context. You've not brought up anything conclusive in the debate.

Naruto verbatim stated fighting the Ten tails is a worst-case scenario than Fighting a Limit removed Code who is stated to far surpass Jigen.

Then You Tried to insinuate that Naruto without 9 tails can't use Six Path Mode when I showed you a panel of him doing so in base.

The conclusion here is your Logic is wrong.

Ten tails>Code without Limiters>Jigen. That is exactly what the manga chapter implied. Occams Razor

The only person believe nonsense is you making up 95% Naruto chakra lost.

Otherwise you would have been shown this information, If i'm wrong i have no problem admitted i was Wrong...what about you? I'm just asking you to cite your source so we can end the debating here and not go into circular arguments.

Edit: If you're unable to show evidence then you should admit your wrong and move on stop trying to force people to see your views if you don't have any evidence.

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He still had Kurama's chakra in him. He just didn't combine it with KCM lol. It's common knowledge that all tailed beasts are needed to use 6PSM. Again, you just believe whatever you want to so there's no point in even attempting to convince you otherwise. Like talking to a brick wall.

This is exactly the shit I mean. I never said they lost 95% of their "chakra" and it's the second time I've corrected you on that. But you aren't interested in having a conversation you just want to spew your nonsensewithout even processing what was said.

It's also stated you need all the tailed beast chakra to create TSB, and Obito after stealing small bit of chakra was able to create TSB.

You did, Why are you trying to back peddle?

You said:

1. In the context of Naruto and Sasuke both having lost like 95% of their power.

You ignoring that Naruto still stated Ten tails>Limiter removed Code. Who is stated to far surpass Jigen. You need to concede on that, Naruto knows about Code from Amado and he told the Kages that fighting the Ten tails is worse than fighting Code without Limiters and verbatim stated Code without his limits far surpasses Jigen.

ultimately what I said is correct you just don't want to accept it.

Ten Tails fodderizes Momoshiki.

Still had all their chakra. Your point?

Power =/= chakra. Kushina had a ton of chakra but is she one of the most powerful beings in the verse?

That's not what he stated. That's what you twisted his words into saying because it's convenient to the larger argument of Naruto characters > Boruto characters.

*Without limiters* he was stronger than Jigen. He is not currently so even if I agreed with your absurd word-twisting it can't be used to come to the conclusion that Juubi > Jigen.

Naruto knows LITERALLY NOTHING about Code so how much faith do you really want to put into his word about a "worst case scenario". Hell, the worst case scenario in his mind could very well be fighting both Code and Juubi at the same time. Considered that? Doesn't mean Juubi is stronger than Code even, just that in the worst case they would be in combat with it. Such a flimsy argument you're trying to make based on a quote that could mean a dozen different things and was said without complete information.

He did Your just not paying attention. Amando stated to naruto there maybe a chance he could remove the limits on his body which would put him beyond Jigen.

Naruto Stated defeating code is a priority, and worse case scenario is they might have to fight the Ten tails.

It's very much indirectly implied that ten tails>Jigen

Like I said Naruto said dealing with Code is number one priority Because They stated All he has to do is kidnap Amando who stated if it comes to that he will help him remove Limiters.

Even after Amando stated Code with out his limiters, Naruto and everyone would be in big trouble against him. It's indirectly stated Ten tails>Code without limiters>Jigen.

The fact that you're unable to grasp this shows you're unwillingness to come to a new conclusion after looking at the manga panel. I keep trying to break it down to you in a simplistic way for you to understand. After all the New information on Code, Naruto during the Kage summit stills States the Ten tails is worse Case scenario. That is indirect confirmation from the author who is implying that Ten tails>Code without Limiter>Jigen.

fighting the Ten tails is the worse possible outcome which can't be refuted since it stated in the manga.

The Ten tails being worse outcome than Code without limits, who far above Jigen...using simple logic puts the Ten Tails Far beyond Momoshiki Transformed as well. You don't seem to understand just how badly Jigen alone solo stomped Adult Naruto and Sasuke.

Jigen>Adult Naruto&Adult Sasuke>>Fused Momoshiki.

Your concession is accepted.

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ten tails??? eh

In your mind the only possible thing Naruto can mean by "worst case scenario" is fighting Juubi by itself after defeating a full strength Code, but I'm the one unwilling to consider alternative conclusions?

@anomalous:

Well considering they Said the ten tails=Planet Level shortly before making those statements...

Full strength code isn't planet level, I don't need to making any more assumptions when Narrative was talking about how powerful the Ten tails is in the series.

They are trying to fight Code before he can even use The ten tails anyway.

Occams Razor. At this point you just seem Salty because it undermines your power scaling Ever since I stated what I said in here you've been doing everything in your power to downplay it by making outlandish claims like saying Naruto and Sasuke Lost like"95% of their powers"

@mygod000 said:

They said Juubi would turn into a God Tree which would end all life on the planet by absorbing all chakra over an unspecified period of time. Not by busting the planet. Just stop man it was funny but now it's getting embarrassing.

Yes , This debate is indeed embarrasing but not from the side you believe it to be from .

Who said They would bust the planet? surely not me. I said it planet level. Funny how you instantly assumed I'm talking about planet busting when No one in Boruto can planet bust, Even Kaguya would need time to gather the chakra to do that with ETSB.

The only person embarrassing themselves is you

For real, I already have enough screenshots to start a Wall of failed arguments on here now.

Oh no, all the insufferable people with a Borutoverse hate boner think I'm wrong. Whatever will I do?

You do know that your immaturity and Hatefullness in this comment just goes furthur in cementing my point , right ?

Ok so what are you trying to say? "planet level" means nothing if you're just talking about the capacity to gradually end life on a planet. Any God tier could do that.

I truly don't care man. Anyone with a functioning brain knows how absurd that "worst case cenario" scaling is and it's not worth caring about the opinions of people who take it seriously.

Yes , you really do seem like someone who really does not care

Like I said maybe if you listen instead of trying to anticipate what you think I'm saying I can tell you what I mean. No one hates Boruto, since when is speaking facts Hating? people need to stop with all that BS.

No the narrative of the story has always been The ten tails is what Finishes off the planet The Otsutsuki is eats the Chakra fruit From the Ten tails and leaves the planet to it fate.

Not just "any" God tier can do that, they can only do that if they have a Ten tails or God tree. If you were paying attention in the series As much as you try and run your mouth about knowing the series you would know this.

Occams razor on that only the Ten tails Drains planet Otsutsuki take the fruit and eat it.

Then say what you mean instead of assuming I'll wait til the next comment for an explanation.

So, yes, you are arguing that Juubi can destroy a planet despite it never being done. All we know is that planets are left lifeless. It has not been said that God Trees destroy planets let alone with a single attack (show me a manga/novel scan instead of some convoluted word twisting nonsense).

Any God tier could end all life or gradually destroy a planet if they felt like it. Not in a single attack, but you just said that's not your definition of "planet level". Or are we shifting the goal post again in an attempt to not look like a complete fool?

That's common knowledge and I never once suggested anything else. To say Juubi is "planet level" because of it is entirely disingenuous though.

Madara alone puts them under IT or stomps their sh** in with Limbo and calls it a day.

Being planet Level=/=Planet Buster.

I'm not going to go back and forth with you on silly things like this when the Narrative is told to you the Ten Tails is planet level. Even the 9 tails is stated to have enough chakra to nourish Momoshiki's planet. it doesn't take much common sense to figure out the Ten tails>9 tails.

Occams Razor.

Lol planet level Kurama now? I'm done with this clown fiesta thanks for the laughs

>Calling someone a clown, but unable to differentiate the difference from being planet level and planet buster.

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Neither Kaguya or Madara are even relevant anymore

Wait, so Kurama being able to Nourish Momoshiki's planet makes him planet level?

Never said Kurama was planet Level, I said it stated Kurama has the power to nourish Momoshiki planet.

This was stated by Momoshiki.

People showing they have horrible reading comprehension.

@scp-939: That is stupid considering Kaguya basically killed Isshiki forcing him to live as Jigen for the last 1000 years.

Limbo solo momoshiki currently being Weaker than Ten tails and Jigen i know you must be hurt and salty.