Juubito and Kizaru vs Tatsumaki and Merged Psykos

@ultimatesage: With what feat does team 1 even cause the most minute damage?

both would get ssqueezed to death by a single chakra arm

What continent did Juubito carve off the planet, just to even be able to hang around and still not cause any real damage?

the way you all wank the continental lv feat when it's only 2nd Form Juubi territory lol. The fodders in the Last who destroyed the ring around Earth is a tier above her feat and below Juubi, let alone Juubito

@ultimatesage: I'm not sure what continental feat you think literally any Juubi form accomplished. In any form. Besides planetary TP using the tree that's not here.

his on panel TBB for one and multiple statements backing him.

Also Im not remembering a ring feat in the Last. It's been some years, but the only noteworthy feats I recall is the moon cutter...which is on par with Psychorochi's casual beams and the beat feat in the movie...and the meteor Lee and Sasuke blew up, which I thought was the second best feat.

if Psykos feat in your eyes is solely on par with Toneri's feat....you realize Toneri is below Juubito right??lmao

Can you help me out here? What fodder, what ring, using what exactly? (Cuz u say fodder, do u mean the Raikage's guys with the machine?)

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@ultimatesage: The TBB wasn't even close to continental. It busted a country at best. Not bad, but very much irrelevant here. That's weaker than the splash after Psychorochi's beam, let alone the actual attack lol

you got jokes for sure. Anyway, turn the word bust into vap and you'll understand why vaping a country(heck even a decent sized large island) sized area is very much approaching continental lv territory.

Toneri has better combat feats than Juubito by miles. Obi was weaker than or roughly on par with the Juubidara that got fodderized by a weaker Sosp Naruto. Toneri matched a far stronger version with far better feats.

No he doesn't, at best you can say is that his TSB control is above Juubito's, stats and skills aad raw power(especially), he's below Juubito. And no, the half powered BSM naruto in the last is not above Sosp Naruto, literally how?

Okay yea, that's what I thought with the cannon. Not a feat for fodder, its a feat for the cannon. They can't bust jack without it. That's wierd to bring up, idk. Im also not sure how blowing up a bunch of comparative pebbles is better than carving a planet like a Thanksgiving turkey so Im gonna have to disagree with you there.

ok? Never said the fodders individually scale to the cannon.... Anyway, those fodders together powering up that cannon, as in their power pulled together is what caused the destruction. And Juubito scales tiers above their combined power. Said comparative pebbles were plentiful enough to make a ring around earth, with some having large enough explosive radius to be visible next to & behind the planet(guess the speed factor in that too)

Team 1 has literally no chance when team 2 is multiples faster and *exponentially* stronger. Either of team 2 can one-shot solo the entire HST at once with their best moves activated (save intangibility...real intangibility, like Kamui, where you're not touched...not fake intangibility like Logia, where your particles can be slapped into space and any semblance of recovery is a clear NLF).

Come on, NLF Kizaru arguements pretending he can reform from getting his particles blown across a continent with zero feats. U can bring it if you quit instantly when you have no option but to repeat your pure headcanon bullshit that's already been debunked. I honestly don't have time for shit debaters that don't know when they lost.

Most stupid take ive ever saw.Who in this world believes fodder like Juubito can even lick Toneris boots?

people who actually read the series, ohh right you never did that. People who can scale correctly, ohh right you can't do that

The Last Naruto>Toneri>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Juubito

The Last Naruto > Toneri, true. The Last Naruto > Juubito, also true. Both >> Toneri, also

Now i understand why you wank Juubito that much.

aww cry about it

@ultimatesage: Nah,you Just wank the emo for no reasons

only problem is what you call wank is supported by the actually manga, cope more

Toneri moving the moon against the GBE shits on anything in the OG series.Toneri>Foddera>Emokid

huh? Unless yyou're talking about part 1 Naruto, Toneri is from the OG series too lmao. And Naruto/Sasuke moon was better, Juubidara's CT and tree around the earth is better

Anyway,nobody takes this shithole of a forum series UltimateTard

aw why so salty then?lol

@ultimatesage: Nah,you Just wank the emo for no reasons.

Toneri moving the moon against the GBE shits on anything in the OG series.Toneri>Foddera>Emokid

Anyway,nobody takes this shithole of a forum series UltimateTard

Tatsumaki and psykorochi solos

@heykorby: as stated already, gravity affects even light, plus his attacks will be doing nothing. The idea that Juubito is immortal is still an asspull but assuming he is, Tats and Psykos shred him to bits, put said bits into tiny super dense psychic cubes, then toss them into space.

As I have already explained (far too many times) on other threads, immortality =/= regen. You literally have an example called Hidan for that.

@rogue_prince: LOL one-shotted by what? A bijuudama? It gets reflected or tossed into space with TK.

1) light based attacks =/= light. If it's energy, they can deflect it, but nice try. Kizaru is going to be a borderline non-factor compared to the other three, he'd be good for the odd surprise attack but nothing more.

Are you trying to say that Kizaru isn't actually light!???!?

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So yeah logia's are their element at a base level. And no one is damaging him just merely off of his logia body which mind without haki, an elemental counter, or an explicit hax to affect him through his logia abilities you literally can't harm him. And last time I checked the Opm team doesn't have armament haki, and Kizaru doesn't have an elemental counter, then to top it off Tatsumaki and Merged Psykos don't have anything to deal with Kizaru which he can't just avoid, block, survive, or return from easily.

So Kizaru is kinda just invincible especially they don't have knowledge so trying to drown Kizaru doesn't work since they don't know devil fruit weaknesses (and even if Kizaru was thrown at the sea to drown him... Kizaru's beams have casually melted steel and encompassed a large enough area to obliterate a sabody mangrove tree so Kizaru could just vapourize the water and gt out of there).

@shirso: light based attacks =/= light. If it's energy, they can deflect it, but nice try. Kizaru is going to be a borderline non-factor compared to the other three, he'd be good for the odd surprise attack but nothing more.

1) Kizaru has the properties of light and can move as fast as light but in the context of the fight it doesn't mean he could just appear through Tats's shields.

No there is no "he has the properties of light" he as in Kizaru, IS light, he is light, he is natural light. Why is this an argument when being their natural is what Logia's are as they are fundamentally their element.

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2) Also, light is in itself a type of kinetic energy, and if Tats and other psychics can catch/manipulate that, no reason to think they couldn't affect Kizaru.

OK let's say that for some reason that yes Tatsumaki or Psykos could affect kinetic energy... then what... just because you can affect kinetic energy doesn't mean you can touch let alone damage light so they cant hurt or damage Kizaru... and look at Apoo and his sound hax which allowed him to affect even Kizaru's light body but that doesn't mean you can actually hurt them even if you can touch a logia... heck look at Aokiji he is a solid object (Ice) but when he is hit he is absolutely fine... so yeah just because you can hit/touch a logia doesn't mean you can damage or do them harm and this is assuming they could even affect or hit him in the first place.

3) Can't believe this is being discussed tbh. This is what logia threads devolve into.

I can't either, why is this being discussed.. oh I know because you ignore that Logia's ARE literally their natural element.

Team 1 has literally no chance when team 2 is multiples faster and *exponentially* stronger. Either of team 2 can one-shot solo the entire HST at once with their best moves activated (save intangibility...real intangibility, like Kamui, where you're not touched...not fake intangibility like Logia, where your particles can be slapped into space and any semblance of recovery is a clear NLF).

Come on, NLF Kizaru arguements pretending he can reform from getting his particles blown across a continent with zero feats. U can bring it if you quit instantly when you have no option but to repeat your pure headcanon bullshit that's already been debunked. I honestly don't have time for shit debaters that don't know when they lost.

@shirso: see above. Kizaru has the properties of light and can move as fast as light but in the context of the fight it doesn't mean he could just appear through Tats's shields.

Why not exactly?

Also, light is in itself a type of kinetic energy, and if Tats and other psychics can catch/manipulate that, no reason to think they couldn't affect Kizaru.

KE manipulation is a much more general type of ability compared to ordinary TK, and they can't affect him because they don't have feats of sub atomic interaction obviously.

Can't believe this is being discussed tbh. This is what logia threads devolve into.