Julius, Zenon, and Lucifero vs Gerard, Jugram, and Lille Barro

VS

Everyone here starts in their strongest forms

Jugram has the Balance and Almighty

Both teams have perfect teamwork

Both team's attacks can't hurt their teammates

Both teams are bloodlusted and have no morals

All feats, statements, scaling allowed

All powers, abilities, techniques, equipment, hax allowed

Battle takes place at Soul King's Palace

Bump

Sternritter stomp the verse.

Stalemate

Bleach team wins.

Julius can probably trap Lille Barro in his time-magic, plus he is faster.

Lucifero can easily take on Jugram, since Jugram's damage equalization won't work, as Lucifero is immortality and has regen.

Finally, BC team can never harm Gerard since Gerarad will just grow stronger and stronger the more damage he takes. Julius can never trap Gerard in his time magic, since Gerard is way bigger in size.

Its either Gerard solos since he can get stronger and stronger, or stalemate since Lucifero is immortal. I guess Lucifero will end up as Gerard's plaything.

@cosmicemperorr: bruh I'm a bleach Stan but no just no. This is a hax match up that could go either way, sure they could break hoffnung and die instantly but Julius is a huge factor in the outcome not to mention the devils are hard to put down. I can see the bc team winning high diff 4/10.

This is stacked in Bleach's favor.

@cosmicemperorr: before you add almighty and the balance, though they could be instant deal breakers, the bc team have regen and time on their side. They can survive long enough to figure it out and counter attack. Does that give bc the win? No but it increases their chances greatly

What counter does the Bleach team have for time stop? I'm curious.

@cosmicemperorr: lille and gerard aren't scrubs but like I said bc are only fucked if they break hoffnung which could be tough tbh

@wk_decaff: who has time-stop, Julius? But his balls aren't being enough to trap Gerard in it, he is a giant.

Like I said, Gerard carries Bleach team. Remove Gerard, and BC team might have a chance.

@pr03: Julius used his magic on an entire country I don't think size matters.

I'll continue playing Devils advocate, How does Gerard get past timestop?

julius solos

@wk_decaff: he used "time reversal" magic, not time-stop. Plus it only worked on Licht's light beams, it didn't work on either the humans below or Licht himself.

Time-stop are these little spheres which are like human level size-

Julius is by far the weakest here.

@pr03: OK now explain why he can't increase the size of his time stop like he did with his reversal. Time stop clearly did work on people so I have no idea what you're talking about there.

@cosmicemperorr: I disagree with this, Julius would beat Lille pretty easily imo.

I disagree but you're the only BC stan I respect.

Because both are different magic. Just because Yuno can create a big hill sized tornado doesn't mean he can shoot a massive hill sized arrow. Yes, both magic are different.

And see for yourself whether it did work on people or not-

Yes, if it was actually time-reversal. The arrows should have gone back in time to Licht. People should be walking backwards.

But guess what? How are arrows vanishing, instead of going backwards? Isn't it time-reversal, or is it just name?

Hmm

@pr03: That's because he used it on the attack and not the people lmao. Secondly it's not different magic its all time magic so I'm asking yet again what's stopping him?

Anyway, I will debate tomorrow on Gerard solos since I have to do something now. But I agree that BC team can easily win against Lille Barro and Jugram.

That was an interesting counter lmao didn't make any sense but interesting none the less.

Wouldn't Gerard getting out of timestop be a Miracle :)

His schrift is a mix of probability manipulation, regen, and a bunch of other sht.

Also what timestop are u referring to?

@hakimaster: Prove he can escape it.

Prove he can't.

Nice response btw.

@hakimaster: He's never escaped a time stop so I don't really need to prove that he can't because there's no evidence that he can't.

BC team stomp..

any of the three can defeat Lille, especially zenon with spatial damage absolute space + Warp Jugran may have to be able to move to activate his shield: Freund schild, can he do that vs someone who is going to crush him and I quote: "can interfere with destiny"? Gerard is a walker nlf, but he can be locked in a time/space prison.

He's never escaped a time stop because he's never been involved in a timestop, nice reasoning buddy. Although he has gotten out of something similar. Ice so strong that it negates abilities.

Also you are ignoring what his ability does, which is manifesting Miracles, making the impossible possible. His ability can get him out based on what it is.

@hakimaster: So you're admitting that your claim is somthing you can't prove. You also said Gerard was probability based as where a time stop is a certain there is no probability involved. Gerard is no acasual (if I used that right)

No I'm admitting is that what you're saying and asking for is nonsense. He's never been in a timestop because he never faced against someone with timestop, how am I supposed to show that he's got out of a timestop. He has faced something similar where his ability was frozen and negated, but he negated the negation like how Joseph outsmarts the outsmarting.

Also you don't seem to understand how the Miracle works, The less probable something is, the higher chance of it happening. By saying that timestop is certain means it would be a 100% probability that he gets caught in it which means it's a 100% chance he actually doesn't get caught, because it would be a miracle if he got out of it.

It's a broken ability and borderline NLF in a way, but it can be countered if the opponent also has probability manipulation as well.

@hakimaster: Now you're changing Gerard from Probability to Casualty Manipulation lmao.

Isn't Gerard immortal? I don't see how either side would win, if immortality isn't restricted.

Bump

Haschwalth>>Lille>Gerard.

This being said, this trio walk through the verse, which some difficulty. They are far too powerful in terms of AP, and Gerard can literally smash the entire area and one shot all of them if he so wishes. The speed is an issue, and it’s easier to get BC characters faster, but I think the top tiers can contend, especially with Julius.

The only issue is the devil’s hearts, but Jugram can cut through the heart of a devil with the Balance, he’s one of the only ones who can do it. Sklaverei will come on handy, especially to absorb any seals from Julius, and if Gerard dies the level and size he would become would be too much for the team to handle even with just him, and he can solo and absorb all their energy via Sklaverei, leaving them hopeless.

@wk_decaff: tbf the only time Julius ever caught anyone in timestop (midnight eye lackeys) he berated them saying that they must be weak for it to work indicating he isn't able to capture very strong opponents in it. And if he's surprised that fodder of their level was captured then he has no hope of catching gerard in it. Not really sure how it's a deciding factor either since it shouldn't effect lille and jugram as already shown to disable abilities with the balance. Don't see why he couldn't just do the same

Julius' temporary prison not only locks up his target, it speeds up his time to disintegrate him. They also have space damage that overcomes the resistance shown by the quincy, it shouldn't even counter gravity.

Full wank

@lichgod3: no, he's not.

He planned to lock Patolli in his temporary prison, despite his immense Mana, Gerard wouldn't be a problem.

What?

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Do you even know what probability manipulation is?

Gerard makes the impossible possible, this wasn't just limited to him surviving and being immortal, but also finding people who cloaked their reiatsu and were undetectable because he deemed it "impossible".

@hakimaster: Yes you're now arguing Gerard as Casualty Manipulation.

@wk_decaff:They are both associated together.

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@wk_decaff: ah yes, resuming our debate on Gerard, how long will Julius keep him in time-stop? At a time, Julius's magic is sure to deplete to zero and once it happens Gerard breaks out of time-stop. No problems here.

Gerard is immortal, and has M which stands for Miracle. Its a probability manipulation ability which allows Gerard to win against impossible odds via miracle. And the more damage Gerard takes, the stronger, the bigger, the faster and the durable he gets.

Gerard was never defeated in the series, was playing with Kenpachi+ Byakuya+ Toshiro combined, he only died because Yhwach died.

@pr03: He also got hit with Toshiro's ice with negated Hoffnung's damaged reflection, but not M. Just made him stronger if anything.

@wk_decaff: that’s his strongest spell and it drains all his energy. Compared to the heart queen is country magic is a last resort

As long as jugo has balance and almighty bleach team should win

BC team passively have their souls absorbed due to Volstandigg scaling above Uryu's feat of absorbing SS's environmental.

Bleach destroys neg diff