Jugram (Bleach) vs Juubito (Naruto)

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JUUBITO

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JUGRAM

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Round 1 : Both are in Character

Round 2 : Both are Bloodlusted

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sorry for the horrible formatting xd

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#3  Edited By Synsyn

Juubito effortlessly released the juubi, which is just a mass of natural energy comparable to a planet.

Nobody in bleach has that much power or can handle planetary energy, juubito solos the verse.

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@synsyn: im pretty sure that reasoning is seriously flawed but im not going to get into it lol

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@dracoz:

It is not, the juubi is pure natural energy and according to the manga it is the same level of natural energy of a planet.

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just bc the juubi is made up of the natural energy of a planet, doesn't mean it's capable of destroying one lol

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@synsyn: your right. The power here is completely unbale- nevermind jugram just swapped it

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@dracoz:

You are wrong, Juubito can concentrate and release natural energy to attack or do whatever he wants, theoretically he can create a planet buster explosion if he wanted because he has enough energy to do it and an explosion is just the violent release of an energy.

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If jugram has balance the. Jugram wins easily. He only lost because ywach needed his power also uryu with antithesis( plot armor)

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@dracoz said:

sorry for the horrible formatting xd

fucking should be

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Jugram 6/10 maybe for both rounds.

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Could go either way

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Since both don't really get any add-ons in this new fight between these two besides how their character is both rounds. I'd say this Jugram vs Juubito will end inconclusively both rounds.

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Close match.

I'd say Jugram due to hax.

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@synsyn said:

Juubito effortlessly released the juubi, which is just a mass of natural energy comparable to a planet.

Nobody in bleach has that much power or can handle planetary energy, juubito solos the verse.

Wrong in the bleach first movie 50 fodder shimgami nuked a planet possibly solar system size dimension as it had sunlight.

Ichigo stoping the sokyoku which is planet level minimum

Jugrams hax shit stomps juubito he can negate durability

The balance takes anything bad that happens to hashwalth and negates it. He has also shown to negate hax that was disadvantageous to him. Like barriers and scrifts.

Just cuz Juubito has planet level power does not mean his output is that level

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@undre:

Is that movie even canon? however the feat was 50 Shinigami no hashwalth.

Sokyoku has the power of a million zanpakutos not a planetary energy.

hashwalth hax is NLF has not faced anything planet lvl, anyway Juubito statues the fodder, he scales above Naruto base form that statues photons, so he blizstomp the fodder with his TSB.

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@synsyn: when did base Naruto statue photons?

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Juubito will win.

Jugram has no on panel feat against an attack as powerful as the Juubi's Bijuu Dama much more against 4.

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@undre:

Is that movie even canon? however the feat was 50 Shinigami no hashwalth.

Yeah the movie is confirmed canon and 50 fodder shimgami together scale far below captains. Who have the power of 1000s to millions stated in the novels.

Sokyoku has the power of a million zanpakutos not a planetary energy.

Stated it can destroy soul society which is planet. Soul society can also mean the dimension but in this case it's probably the planet.

hashwalth hax is NLF has not faced anything planet lvl, anyway Juubito statues the fodder, he scales above Naruto base form that statues photons, so he blizstomp the fodder with his TSB.

Irrelevant fodder bleach characters have had LS and ftl feats. Ss arc uryu blizted his shadow before sunlight could hit it. Uryus arrow outpaced sunlight. Ceros being light beams get reacted to all the time. Quincy arrows are called light rays and plp react to them all time. Asuwhlen light which moved at ftl speeds. Hash far outscales him in speed. I can even make arguments for jugram scaling to true shikai ichigo who far out scales juubito. Jugram also one shot FB ichigo who can destroy a 4D dimension by transforming.

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@requiemcross: lol juubito will be dead before then or he can use shadow teleportation to dodged it or even absorb it. Pick your poison.

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#23  Edited By REQUIEMCROSS
@undre said:

@requiemcross: lol juubito will be dead before then or he can use shadow teleportation to dodged it or even absorb it. Pick your poison.

Provide an on panel feats please.

Does Jugram have the feat of surviving an attack as powerful as the Bijuu dama of the Juubi? Kindly provide the feats and not your fan made scaling, Thank you.

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Jugram with almighty probably wins

Without it juubito takes this mid diff

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Juubito

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Juubito, superior AP

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@synsyn: The novel that no longer means much now that the manga/anime remade it?

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@undre said:

@requiemcross: lol juubito will be dead before then or he can use shadow teleportation to dodged it or even absorb it. Pick your poison.

Provide an on panel feats please.

Shadow teleportation which all Quincy can use no biju bomb ever tags.

Does Jugram have the feat of surviving an attack as powerful as the Bijuu dama of the Juubi? Kindly provide the feats and not your fan made scaling, Thank you.

Doesn't need to scales above plp who can. The balance negates it or absorbs it and juubito

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Obito 6/10

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Juubito low diffs

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Jugram I think cleaves him in half. eventually. Or Obito uses a TBB and negs himself.

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Honestly, the Balance is useless against someone with Obito's regen. Any injury that gets reflected will simply get healed up and next time Obito will go for lethal, which Jugram won't be able to reflect.

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Jugram stomps

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#35  Edited By Morningstar999

Juubito stomps, better stats, similiar speed, TSB, more power. And Balance is useless here, Juubito can just regen.

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@hayabusa77: He has recovered from blowing himself in half by his own TSB. With that said, Jugram isn't surviving a TSB to the face so he won't be able to reflect it either way.

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@bleakfuture: Ok. Well I remember pp eople always hyped up TSB negating regen

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@undre:

Shadow teleportation which all Quincy can use no biju bomb ever tags.

Please provide the on panel feats of Jugram using Shadow teleportation.

Doesn't need to scales above plp who can. The balance negates it or absorbs it and juubito

In short, featless. Without any supporting feats then Jugram won't have the feat to defend against Juubito's Bijuu Dama.

Next time, kindly provide the on panel feats, if he had any, Thank you.

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@undre:

Shadow teleportation which all Quincy can use no biju bomb ever tags.

Please provide the on panel feats of Jugram using Shadow teleportation.

Doesn't need to scales above plp who can. The balance negates it or absorbs it and juubito

In short, featless. Without any supporting feats then Jugram won't have the feat to defend against Juubito's Bijuu Dama.

Next time, kindly provide the on panel feats, if he had any, Thank you.

All Quincy have this ability, look at them using it to avoid Yamamoto's Ryujin Jakka:

Also, stop being dishonest as if Juubito has some insane level of regeneration. The only time they show an insane level of regeneration is if they either absorb a lot of chakra, or enter a new transformation. This happened to Kaguya when Naruto ripped off her arm, and it happened to Madara, TWICE. Once when he got negged by Gai and Naruto and absorbed the god tree (he even said he almost died by Gai's final attack), and once regenerating his entire lower half once he recieved the second Rinnegan.

Here, in Juubito's case, he only regenerated half of his body when he transformed after becoming one with the Juubi. Even THEN, his body was already enlarged:

He only showed a smaller level of regeneration, and when damaged enough he started spitting out Tailed Beast:

No indication that in this form, if half his body was vaped or his head he would regenerate. Just like Madara.

Anyway, Jugram low-mid diffs, his ability is way too OP and he has a higher level of regeneration than Juubito (causality manipulation). Anything good that he does in the fight will just be turned bad. All damage is immediately reflected on his shield, the ONLY way Uryu was able to damage him was through causality manipulation of his own and directly transferring damage onto his body. It's why Jugram was suprised he was even damaged in the first place.

A TBB's or TSB's effect would be instantly reflected onto his shield and onto the opponent's body, it's an instantaneous effect (it says the damage is deflectedand absorbed). UNLESS he directly transfer wounds onto his body like Uryu, Juubito can do nothing here.

Also, Jugram can negate durability with his ability.

From further inspection, I actually think Jugram may solo Naruto. His ability is nearly as deadly as the Almighty

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All Quincy have this ability, look at them using it to avoid Yamamoto's Ryujin Jakka:

If all of them have that ability then kindly provide the on panel feat of Jugram using that ability. Can you prove that Jugram is one of those quincy that attacked on that on panel scene?

Also, stop being dishonest as if Juubito has some insane level of regeneration. The only time they show an insane level of regeneration is if they either absorb a lot of chakra, or enter a new transformation. This happened to Kaguya when Naruto ripped off her arm, and it happened to Madara, TWICE. Once when he got negged by Gai and Naruto and absorbed the god tree (he even said he almost died by Gai's final attack), and once regenerating his entire lower half once he recieved the second Rinnegan.

Here, in Juubito's case, he only regenerated half of his body when he transformed after becoming one with the Juubi. Even THEN, his body was already enlarged:

He only showed a smaller level of regeneration, and when damaged enough he started spitting out Tailed Beast:

No indication that in this form, if half his body was vaped or his head he would regenerate. Just like Madara.

When did I talked about Juubito's insane level of regeneration? my question is simple. Does Jugram have the on panel feats of tanking an attack as powerful as the Juubi's Bijuu dama?

Anyway, Jugram low-mid diffs, his ability is way too OP and he has a higher level of regeneration than Juubito (causality manipulation).

Again, Does Jugram have the on panel feat against an attack as powerful as the Ten Tail's Bijuu dama?

And Obito also have that kind of ability, its called Izanagi.

Anything good that he does in the fight will just be turned bad.

Any on panel feats of using that ability after he got killed?

All damage is immediately reflected on his shield,

Any on panel feat of his shield tanking an attack as powerful as the Bijuu dama of the Juubi?

the ONLY way Uryu was able to damage him was through causality manipulation of his own and directly transferring damage onto his body. It's why Jugram was suprised he was even damaged in the first place.

Good to know.

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Jugram should be able to take a biiju bomb at least considering he snapped full bring tends zangetsu like a twig

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@ninjarizer:

All Quincy have this ability, look at them using it to avoid Yamamoto's Ryujin Jakka:

If all of them have that ability then kindly provide the on panel feat of Jugram using that ability. Can you prove that Jugram is one of those quincy that attacked on that on panel scene?

Also, stop being dishonest as if Juubito has some insane level of regeneration. The only time they show an insane level of regeneration is if they either absorb a lot of chakra, or enter a new transformation. This happened to Kaguya when Naruto ripped off her arm, and it happened to Madara, TWICE. Once when he got negged by Gai and Naruto and absorbed the god tree (he even said he almost died by Gai's final attack), and once regenerating his entire lower half once he recieved the second Rinnegan.

Here, in Juubito's case, he only regenerated half of his body when he transformed after becoming one with the Juubi. Even THEN, his body was already enlarged:

He only showed a smaller level of regeneration, and when damaged enough he started spitting out Tailed Beast:

No indication that in this form, if half his body was vaped or his head he would regenerate. Just like Madara.

When did I talked about Juubito's insane level of regeneration? my question is simple. Does Jugram have the on panel feats of tanking an attack as powerful as the Juubi's Bijuu dama?

Anyway, Jugram low-mid diffs, his ability is way too OP and he has a higher level of regeneration than Juubito (causality manipulation).

Again, Does Jugram have the on panel feat against an attack as powerful as the Ten Tail's Bijuu dama?

And Obito also have that kind of ability, its called Izanagi.

Anything good that he does in the fight will just be turned bad.

Any on panel feats of using that ability after he got killed?

All damage is immediately reflected on his shield,

Any on panel feat of his shield tanking an attack as powerful as the Bijuu dama of the Juubi?

the ONLY way Uryu was able to damage him was through causality manipulation of his own and directly transferring damage onto his body. It's why Jugram was suprised he was even damaged in the first place.

Good to know.

I hope you realize you're being silly here, but at least I can indulge you. Of course, Haschwalth was there, he's wearing the same uniform they used to go and confront Genryuusai. Right after they returned, observe the black mask on his shoulder, and the hooded cowl they wore:

If you read the manga you'd know this.

Okay, I'll assume you've conceded Juubito's regeneration isn't that great :)

You're literally obfuscating. He doesn't need to tank anything, all the damage that would behalf him is deflected onto his shield and then absorbed and reflected onto the opponent's body via causality. It's not transferred to his shield, but since Uryu's causality hax counts as misfortune, it can be transferred. His body doesn't need to tank anything at all, the only way he was damaged was via causality manipulation, which is an insanely hax ability. I don't need to show him tanking anything. You'll stop asking it the sooner you understand his ability.

The game you're playing is silly. I'll play it for a few sentences just to illustrate this:

Show me an on-panel feat of any Bijuudama bypassing causality hax!

Show me an on-panel feat of Juubito tanking his own attacks with no damage!

Show me an on-panel feat of blah blah I HAVE NO ARGUMENT

I obviously know these feats don't exist (I've read Naruto many times). Does this prove anything? NO. Stop this game and actually start to argue, or you lose by default. Jugrams ability deflects all damage via causality hax, His body won't be damaged in the first place. His shield then absorbs the damage (not the attack) and then reflects the misfortune onto the opponent. Explain how a Bijuudama gets past causality manipulation and luck manipulation.(It doesn't :))

Let me show you how silly your logic is even further.

Character A has intangibility. Show me a feat of Character A's intangibility working on attacks that can destroy a country! Character B has spatial manipulation. Show me a feat of character B bending the space around country-level attacks!

This is obvious nonsense.

The sooner you understand how hax works, the sooner you'll win an argument.

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I hope you realize you're being silly here, but at least I can indulge you. Of course, Haschwalth was there, he's wearing the same uniform they used to go and confront Genryuusai. Right after they returned, observe the black mask on his shoulder, and the hooded cowl they wore:

Lol. Wearing the same uniform does not mean that he is one of the few Quincy that attacked Soul Society. Again, Do you have the on panel feat of Jugram using that feat?

If you read the manga you'd know this.

Lol. I read the manga and it was never confirmed that Jugram is one of those Quincy. If i missed it, Kindly provide the on panel feats, Thank you.

Okay, I'll assume you've conceded Juubito's regeneration isn't that great :)

I think that subject is intended on a different viner. I never addressed Juubito's regeneration on any of my response to you and Undre.

You're literally obfuscating.

Lol. What's hard to show the on panel feat of Jugram using the ability you assumed that he could use?

He doesn't need to tank anything,

he needs to show the on panel feat to assume that he could tank/survive it.

all the damage that would behalf him is deflected onto his shield and then absorbed and reflected onto the opponent's body via causality.

Cool. kindly show the on panel feat of jugram deflecting an attack as powerful as the Juubi's Bijuu Dama onto his shield,(We need to confirm that his shield could handle that amount of damage) then kindly provide also the feat of his shield absorbing an attack as powerful as the attack of the Juubi's Bijuu dama( We need to confirm that his shield could absorb that amount of damage) and lastly, kindly provide also the feat of Jugram reflecting that amount of powerful attack via casuality. (We need to confirm that his shield could reflect that amount of damage)

It's not transferred to his shield,

You're contradicting your statement before this.

but since Uryu's causality hax counts as misfortune, it can be transferred.

It's a good thing then that Juubito's attack are not misfortunes.

His body doesn't need to tank anything at all

He do if you failed to provide the on panel feats of:

1. his shield handling an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

2. his shield could absorb an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

3. his shield could reflect an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

, the only way he was damaged was via causality manipulation

You need to provide the three on panel feats first.

, which is an insanely hax ability.

True, if he have the on panel feats.

I don't need to show him tanking anything.

You do if you cannot provide the feats.

You'll stop asking it the sooner you understand his ability.

I understand it. You should prove first that Jugram has the on panel feats before I use the other on panel feats of Obito.

The game you're playing is silly. I'll play it for a few sentences just to illustrate this:

I'm simply asking for the on panel feats.

Show me an on-panel feat of any Bijuudama bypassing causality hax!

Well, if you could provide the on panel feats of Jugram's shield handling an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama, his shield absorbing an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama and his shield reflecting an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama then his ability will indeed prevent the Juubi's Bijuu Dama from killing him.

Show me an on-panel feat of Juubito tanking his own attacks with no damage!

Naruto ch 641, Tobirama's Shadow clone return Juubito's attack to him.

Show me an on-panel feat of blah blah I HAVE NO ARGUMENT

Provide the on panel feats that I requested. If you do then there is no argument if you satisfied my questions.

I obviously know these feats don't exist (I've read Naruto many times).

Lol. Then you missed the feat of the Chakra Nature Transformation Yin Yang Release.

Does this prove anything? NO.

Yes. If you cannot prove that jugram has the on panel feats of what you claimed then your argument is invalid.

Stop this game and actually start to argue,

I'm arguing seriously. Does Jugram have the feat or not? If he does, kindly provide the on panel feat. If he does not, then kindly concede.

or you lose by default.

That's my line if you failed to provide the on panel feats of Jugram's shield handling an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama, his shield absorbing an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama and his shield reflecting an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama then his ability will indeed prevent the Juubi's Bijuu Dama from killing him.

Jugrams ability deflects all damage via causality hax,

If it deflects all damage then kindly provide the on panel feat.

His body won't be damaged in the first place.

Depends on the on panel feats. Does he reflects damage that he cannot survive?

His shield then absorbs the damage (not the attack)

If it absorbs all damage then kindly provide the on panel feat.

and then reflects the misfortune onto the opponent.

If it reflects all damage then kindly provide the on panel feat.

Explain how a Bijuudama gets past causality manipulation and luck manipulation.(It doesn't :))

Lol. True, however, you need to provide first the on panel feats of Jugram working on an attack that has the same attack power as the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

Aside from that, Obito also possess the Truth Seeking Balls with the on panel feats of negating causality manipulation.

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Let me show you how silly your logic is even further.

Let's see.

Character A has intangibility.

Cool. It's a good thing then that Jugram's ability is not intangibility.

Show me a feat of Character A's intangibility working on attacks that can destroy a country!

So, you're assuming that Jugram's ability is like Intangibility?

Character B has spatial manipulation. Show me a feat of character B bending the space around country-level attacks!

Lol. So without the on panel feat of bending the space around country-level attacks, you'll believe that Character B could easily do that? The best example of this scenario is Naruto ch 689. Here is Kakashi's response:

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This is obvious nonsense.

Actually, its not non sense as proven by Naruto ch 689.

The sooner you understand how hax works, the sooner you'll win an argument.

True. So, where's the on panel feats of Jugram?

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@ninjarizer:

I hope you realize you're being silly here, but at least I can indulge you. Of course, Haschwalth was there, he's wearing the same uniform they used to go and confront Genryuusai. Right after they returned, observe the black mask on his shoulder, and the hooded cowl they wore:

Lol. Wearing the same uniform does not mean that he is one of the few Quincy that attacked Soul Society. Again, Do you have the on panel feat of Jugram using that feat?

If you read the manga you'd know this.

Lol. I read the manga and it was never confirmed that Jugram is one of those Quincy. If i missed it, Kindly provide the on panel feats, Thank you.

Okay, I'll assume you've conceded Juubito's regeneration isn't that great :)

I think that subject is intended on a different viner. I never addressed Juubito's regeneration on any of my response to you and Undre.

You're literally obfuscating.

Lol. What's hard to show the on panel feat of Jugram using the ability you assumed that he could use?

He doesn't need to tank anything,

he needs to show the on panel feat to assume that he could tank/survive it.

all the damage that would behalf him is deflected onto his shield and then absorbed and reflected onto the opponent's body via causality.

Cool. kindly show the on panel feat of jugram deflecting an attack as powerful as the Juubi's Bijuu Dama onto his shield,(We need to confirm that his shield could handle that amount of damage) then kindly provide also the feat of his shield absorbing an attack as powerful as the attack of the Juubi's Bijuu dama( We need to confirm that his shield could absorb that amount of damage) and lastly, kindly provide also the feat of Jugram reflecting that amount of powerful attack via casuality. (We need to confirm that his shield could reflect that amount of damage)

It's not transferred to his shield,

You're contradicting your statement before this.

but since Uryu's causality hax counts as misfortune, it can be transferred.

It's a good thing then that Juubito's attack are not misfortunes.

His body doesn't need to tank anything at all

He do if you failed to provide the on panel feats of:

1. his shield handling an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

2. his shield could absorb an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

3. his shield could reflect an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

, the only way he was damaged was via causality manipulation

You need to provide the three on panel feats first.

, which is an insanely hax ability.

True, if he have the on panel feats.

I don't need to show him tanking anything.

You do if you cannot provide the feats.

You'll stop asking it the sooner you understand his ability.

I understand it. You should prove first that Jugram has the on panel feats before I use the other on panel feats of Obito.

The game you're playing is silly. I'll play it for a few sentences just to illustrate this:

I'm simply asking for the on panel feats.

Show me an on-panel feat of any Bijuudama bypassing causality hax!

Well, if you could provide the on panel feats of Jugram's shield handling an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama, his shield absorbing an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama and his shield reflecting an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama then his ability will indeed prevent the Juubi's Bijuu Dama from killing him.

Show me an on-panel feat of Juubito tanking his own attacks with no damage!

Naruto ch 641, Tobirama's Shadow clone return Juubito's attack to him.

Show me an on-panel feat of blah blah I HAVE NO ARGUMENT

Provide the on panel feats that I requested. If you do then there is no argument if you satisfied my questions.

I obviously know these feats don't exist (I've read Naruto many times).

Lol. Then you missed the feat of the Chakra Nature Transformation Yin Yang Release.

Does this prove anything? NO.

Yes. If you cannot prove that jugram has the on panel feats of what you claimed then your argument is invalid.

Stop this game and actually start to argue,

I'm arguing seriously. Does Jugram have the feat or not? If he does, kindly provide the on panel feat. If he does not, then kindly concede.

or you lose by default.

That's my line if you failed to provide the on panel feats of Jugram's shield handling an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama, his shield absorbing an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama and his shield reflecting an attack with the same attack power of the Juubi's Bijuu Dama then his ability will indeed prevent the Juubi's Bijuu Dama from killing him.

Jugrams ability deflects all damage via causality hax,

If it deflects all damage then kindly provide the on panel feat.

His body won't be damaged in the first place.

Depends on the on panel feats. Does he reflects damage that he cannot survive?

His shield then absorbs the damage (not the attack)

If it absorbs all damage then kindly provide the on panel feat.

and then reflects the misfortune onto the opponent.

If it reflects all damage then kindly provide the on panel feat.

Explain how a Bijuudama gets past causality manipulation and luck manipulation.(It doesn't :))

Lol. True, however, you need to provide first the on panel feats of Jugram working on an attack that has the same attack power as the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

Aside from that, Obito also possess the Truth Seeking Balls with the on panel feats of negating causality manipulation.

Read the manga. That was a specific uniform that was ONLY used to confront Genryuusai. This is getting embarrassing.

Furthermore, the denial of context that obviously indicates Jugram was there (WEARING THE UNIFORM THAT WAS NEVER WORN EVER AGAIN, HE WAS OBVIOUSLY THERE) is telling.

Look! Here's a Quincy saying only Quincy can use the Shadow ability!

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I'm fully expecting you to say something like: Who are the chosen ones? How do we know they are Quincy? How do we know he's not just a special case user of this ability? How do you know he's telling the truth?

Or something of comparable idiocy. Next.

You again have a lack of understanding of the ability. The DC is irrelevant if the damage is deflected via causality. Again your argument is completely asinine. You're saying the ability must be shown to work on a specific level of destructive capacity, or it doesn't work at all. Give me a single reason as to why the Bijuudama bypasses its causality hax (damage just doesn't happen).

Again, stop mentioning the level of the attack. The only thing that is important is the damage it would cause, which is misfortune upon Haschwalth, which would be reflected via causality. It doesn't reflect the ATTACK. It reflects the MISFORTUNE the attack WOULD CAUSE. The DC of the attack is completely irrelevant, the only thing that is relevant is the damage it would cause to Haschwalth, which would just be deflected and then appear onto the enemy.

Stop talking about DC. Saying it's relevant doesn't make it relevant.

Furthermore, you're blatantly wrong and potentially dishonest for saying that a Bijuudama wouldn't be misfortunatefor Jugram. You're defeating your own argument.

So in a nutshell: I don't need to provide feats of Jugram's shield deflecting attacks of any specific level because DC is irrelevant to his ability. I've explained why it's irrelevant. Can you tell me why it is?

Regardless, Jugram's shield has deflected constant attacks from Uryu, who is around the level of True Shikai Ichigo, who's way above Shikai Kenpachi.

LOL please actually read Naruto Chapter 641. Juubito didn't tank it, he defended himself with TSB. Don't be lazy :)

The only reference you provided happened to be false, yet you beckon for on-panel feats.

Now be as kind as to defend your outrageous claim that the TSB has negated causality manipulation.

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@ninjarizer:

Let me show you how silly your logic is even further.

Let's see.

Character A has intangibility.

Cool. It's a good thing then that Jugram's ability is not intangibility.

Show me a feat of Character A's intangibility working on attacks that can destroy a country!

So, you're assuming that Jugram's ability is like Intangibility?

Character B has spatial manipulation. Show me a feat of character B bending the space around country-level attacks!

Lol. So without the on panel feat of bending the space around country-level attacks, you'll believe that Character B could easily do that? The best example of this scenario is Naruto ch 689. Here is Kakashi's response:

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This is obvious nonsense.

Actually, its not non sense as proven by Naruto ch 689.

The sooner you understand how hax works, the sooner you'll win an argument.

True. So, where's the on panel feats of Jugram?

Jugram's ability is hax. Some hax works despite the level of DC an opposing character. Jugram's hax is one of these.

LOL didn't Kakashi use Kamui to summon the 8 Tails? Didnt Kamui work on Kaguya? Didn't Kamui also work on Madara's TSB. Aren't all of these massively above Kakashi? Interesting. Almost as if spatial hax works regardless of durability and DC.

It's almost as if Kakashi wasn't referring to the power level, rather the size? I know how Kamui works, he could easily warp off a part of the Juubi, just not its whole body. It was too big.

Consider Nianzol from Bleach, and his ability, the Wind. He bends space.

There is no level of DC, in 3D space, that would be able to bypass his ability. Because the attack doesn't matter. Only the space the attack enters matters, and it won't enter his space.

Would you say DC matters to Nianzol's ability? I bet you would. But it doesn't.

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#48  Edited By Undre
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@undre:

Shadow teleportation which all Quincy can use no biju bomb ever tags.

Please provide the on panel feats of Jugram using Shadow teleportation.

Doesn't need to scales above plp who can. The balance negates it or absorbs it and juubito

In short, featless. Without any supporting feats then Jugram won't have the feat to defend against Juubito's Bijuu Dama.

Next time, kindly provide the on panel feats, if he had any, Thank you.

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Using shadow on panel. Don't compare izanagi to tha Balance that shits trash. Plus obito doesn't even use it when he became the the 10 tails.

Already said jugram scales above plp who scale above biju bombs like FB ichigo who destroyed a 4D dimension. Ulq who has island level attacks. Show me on panel feats of juubito resisting causality manipulation. Show me on panel feats of him resisting his soul getting absorbed?

On panel feats of him seeing a soul like jugram

Also theirs a version of jugram with the almighty who also stomps

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@undre: if jugram had the almighty and the balance at the same time, think he could hit you with any attacks you do in the future. Hell if he can see every possible future also, any and all potential attacks are absorbed into the shield from the future and instantly shot into someone

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Interesting fight. Juubito is probably more powerful but Jugram would mess him up if he can't one shot which I don't think he can. Jugram for the majority.