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Poll Joker vs Darth Vader (READ FIRST) (105 votes)

Joker 16%
Darth Vader 82%

Scenario: Joker wants to take over the empire.

Joker has Palpatine's underground support via weaponry, manpower (Clone Troopers), and transport vessels. Joker also has access to his own regular resources.

Darth Vader, of course has his regular resources to tap on.

Joker and Darth Vader starts off on different planets, both are aware of each other's location. Darth Vader treats the Joker's forces as part of the rebels, nothing special to him. Both of them have 1 year prep.

Both sides in-character, winner by having opponent dead or incapacitated long enough to be captured.

Who wins?

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Vader quite easily.

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Vader quite easily.

How? Please explain.

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@wenjun_chew_: Well, Vader can force choke people from across space. Joker loves to gloat at his opponents, if not in person than through a screen. Vader already knows his location according to the OP, and theoretically he could just force choke him from there. But if that fails, as soon as Joker gives him a call to taunt him, he'd be choked to death.

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@wenjun_chew_: You're giving Joker a bunch of technology he isn't used to whereas Vader knows just about everything about what Joker is using against him... Vader chokes him on sight.

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SMH

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@jack_ said:

Well, Vader can force choke people from across space. Joker loves to gloat at his opponents, if not in person than through a screen. Vader already knows his location according to the OP, and theoretically he could just force choke him from there. But if that fails, as soon as Joker gives him a call to taunt him, he'd be choked to death.

You're giving Joker a bunch of technology he isn't used to whereas Vader knows just about everything about what Joker is using against him... Vader chokes him on sight.

Firstly, Vader would have done this to all his enemies. Vader can't do that all the time if he's vague on the location.

Secondly, Joker would stay out of Darth Vader's sight.

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Vader stomps Joker.

Darth Vader, of course has his regular resources to tap on.

Joker and Darth Vader starts off on different planets, both are aware of each other's location. Darth Vader treats the Joker's forces as part of the rebels, nothing special to him. Both of them have 1 year prep.

As seen in the Original Trilogy films, Vader doesn't even have to be in the same area as a person to be able to Force Choke them into submission, just look at the Imperial Officers who have "failed him".

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@wenjun_chew_: Vader would plow through the Stormtroopers with complete ease are you kidding me? Force push them and slash them into pieces. If Joker's staying out of Vader's sight then he's not going to be able to attack him, making it a stalemate. As soon as Joker attacks Vader he'll find him. And SLAUGHTER him.

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@wenjun_chew_: Joker wouldn't stay out of Vader's sight. He'd gloat and get choked.

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Vader stomps Joker.

Darth Vader, of course has his regular resources to tap on.

Joker and Darth Vader starts off on different planets, both are aware of each other's location. Darth Vader treats the Joker's forces as part of the rebels, nothing special to him. Both of them have 1 year prep.

As seen in the Original Trilogy films, Vader doesn't even have to be in the same area as a person to be able to Force Choke them into submission, just look at the Imperial Officers who have "failed him".

Vader would plow through the Stormtroopers with complete ease are you kidding me? Force push them and slash them into pieces. If Joker's staying out of Vader's sight then he's not going to be able to attack him, making it a stalemate. As soon as Joker attacks Vader he'll find him. And SLAUGHTER him.

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Joker wouldn't stay out of Vader's sight. He'd gloat and get choked.

Vader managed to use the Force on someone from a far distance away because he knows where they are located with a telepathic link of sorts (Don't ask me how, I'm not a Star Wars maniac). Darth Vader has nothing of that sort on Joker. He may know where Joker is, but I'm saying he knows Joker is located on a planet, NOT exact coordinates.

At best, Vader can only send troops to that planet to seek and hunt down the Joker.

Joker is a smart man, if he's confident, he can sure talk his way out of getting choked by Darth Vader. Otherwise, he is smart enough to hide himself and only gloat when Darth Vader is vulnerable.

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@jack_ said:

Well, Vader can force choke people from across space. Joker loves to gloat at his opponents, if not in person than through a screen. Vader already knows his location according to the OP, and theoretically he could just force choke him from there. But if that fails, as soon as Joker gives him a call to taunt him, he'd be choked to death.

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You're giving Joker a bunch of technology he isn't used to whereas Vader knows just about everything about what Joker is using against him... Vader chokes him on sight.

Firstly, Vader would have done this to all his enemies. Vader can't do that all the time if he's vague on the location.

Secondly, Joker would stay out of Darth Vader's sight.

Joker and Darth Vader starts off on different planets, both are aware of each other's location.

Firstly, Vader hasn't done that to all his enemies for the sake of plot. If he had, there only would have been one Star Wars movie and Vader would have won. If he knows the location of his opponent, he can use Force Choke on them. Seeing as you even stated in the OP that Vader knows the location of Joker, he can use Force Choke on the Joker to end the battle then and there.

Secondly, Vader has Force Sense, meaning he can always be aware of Joker's location.

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@wenjun_chew_: He would come out eventually or Vader would find him, and he is not talking Vader out of ANYTHING, so Vader would choke him. Plain and simple. Besides you said they're both aware of each other's location meaning Vader chokes him without even coming close to him. GG.

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Force Choke.

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Vader stomps Joker.

Darth Vader, of course has his regular resources to tap on.

Joker and Darth Vader starts off on different planets, both are aware of each other's location. Darth Vader treats the Joker's forces as part of the rebels, nothing special to him. Both of them have 1 year prep.

As seen in the Original Trilogy films, Vader doesn't even have to be in the same area as a person to be able to Force Choke them into submission, just look at the Imperial Officers who have "failed him".

@godofnick said:

Vader would plow through the Stormtroopers with complete ease are you kidding me? Force push them and slash them into pieces. If Joker's staying out of Vader's sight then he's not going to be able to attack him, making it a stalemate. As soon as Joker attacks Vader he'll find him. And SLAUGHTER him.

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Joker wouldn't stay out of Vader's sight. He'd gloat and get choked.

Vader managed to use the Force on someone from a far distance away because he knows where they are located with a telepathic link of sorts (Don't ask me how, I'm not a Star Wars maniac). Darth Vader has nothing of that sort on Joker. He may know where Joker is, but I'm saying he knows Joker is located on a planet, NOT exact coordinates.

At best, Vader can only send troops to that planet to seek and hunt down the Joker.

Joker is a smart man, if he's confident, he can sure talk his way out of getting choked by Darth Vader. Otherwise, he is smart enough to hide himself and only gloat when Darth Vader is vulnerable.

both are aware of each other's location

Location: n. A particular place or position.

By your wording, Vader knows exactly where Joker is, meaning he can Force Choke him into submission, or, and I can't believe no one else has thought of this, he can use the Death Star to destroy the planet Joker is on. (Darth Vader, of course has his regular resources to tap on.)

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@originalgl_alan said:

@jack_ said:

Well, Vader can force choke people from across space. Joker loves to gloat at his opponents, if not in person than through a screen. Vader already knows his location according to the OP, and theoretically he could just force choke him from there. But if that fails, as soon as Joker gives him a call to taunt him, he'd be choked to death.

@godofnick said:

You're giving Joker a bunch of technology he isn't used to whereas Vader knows just about everything about what Joker is using against him... Vader chokes him on sight.

Firstly, Vader would have done this to all his enemies. Vader can't do that all the time if he's vague on the location.

Secondly, Joker would stay out of Darth Vader's sight.

Joker and Darth Vader starts off on different planets, both are aware of each other's location.

Firstly, Vader hasn't done that to all his enemies for the sake of plot. If he had, there only would have been one Star Wars movie and Vader would have won. If he knows the location of his opponent, he can use Force Choke on them. Seeing as you even stated in the OP that Vader knows the location of Joker, he can use Force Choke on the Joker to end the battle then and there.

Secondly, Vader has Force Sense, meaning he can always be aware of Joker's location.

The OP meant for Vader to know the location of Joker vaguely, somewhere in a specific planet. If Darth Vader can really force choke anyone, then he would have done it all the time instead of having to rely on his troops. Its not plot, its logic.

@godofnick said:

He would come out eventually or Vader would find him, and he is not talking Vader out of ANYTHING, so Vader would choke him. Plain and simple. Besides you said they're both aware of each other's location meaning Vader chokes him without even coming close to him. GG.

Well, I believe Joker could come up with a plan where he disguised himself as a clone trooper and gets close enough to Darth Vader and then stabs him.

Even if Darth Vader has Force Sense, it can be easily be confused by Joker's tactics: Getting many soldiers to sacrifice themselves by throwing themselves in all directions at Darth Vader and his squad of troops, zerg-rush kind of. Joker would pose as one of his men and fights the soldiers himself before turning on Darth Vader when he least expects it.

Feats of that: Watch The Dark Knight movie.

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@wenjun_chew_: Dude, Vader wins so hard it isn't even funny.

He has the Force. It takes away all of Joker's biggest advantages. Surprise, careful planning, deception, all off the table. There's no way he's winning this.

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@jack_ said:

Dude, Vader wins so hard it isn't even funny.

He has the Force. It takes away all of Joker's biggest advantages. Surprise, careful planning, deception, all off the table. There's no way he's winning this.

I believe The Force can be misled or confused with multiple distractions.

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@jack_ said:

Well, Vader can force choke people from across space. Joker loves to gloat at his opponents, if not in person than through a screen. Vader already knows his location according to the OP, and theoretically he could just force choke him from there. But if that fails, as soon as Joker gives him a call to taunt him, he'd be choked to death.

@godofnick said:

You're giving Joker a bunch of technology he isn't used to whereas Vader knows just about everything about what Joker is using against him... Vader chokes him on sight.

Firstly, Vader would have done this to all his enemies. Vader can't do that all the time if he's vague on the location.

Secondly, Joker would stay out of Darth Vader's sight.

Joker and Darth Vader starts off on different planets, both are aware of each other's location.

Firstly, Vader hasn't done that to all his enemies for the sake of plot. If he had, there only would have been one Star Wars movie and Vader would have won. If he knows the location of his opponent, he can use Force Choke on them. Seeing as you even stated in the OP that Vader knows the location of Joker, he can use Force Choke on the Joker to end the battle then and there.

Secondly, Vader has Force Sense, meaning he can always be aware of Joker's location.

The OP meant for Vader to know the location of Joker vaguely, somewhere in a specific planet. If Darth Vader can really force choke anyone, then he would have done it all the time instead of having to rely on his troops. Its not plot, its logic.

@godofnick said:

He would come out eventually or Vader would find him, and he is not talking Vader out of ANYTHING, so Vader would choke him. Plain and simple. Besides you said they're both aware of each other's location meaning Vader chokes him without even coming close to him. GG.

Well, I believe Joker could come up with a plan where he disguised himself as a clone trooper and gets close enough to Darth Vader and then stabs him.

Even if Darth Vader has Force Sense, it can be easily be confused by Joker's tactics: Getting many soldiers to sacrifice themselves by throwing themselves in all directions at Darth Vader and his squad of troops, zerg-rush kind of. Joker would pose as one of his men and fights the soldiers himself before turning on Darth Vader when he least expects it.

Feats of that: Watch The Dark Knight movie.

Wow, you really don't know your Star Wars mythos. Force Sense is a TP-like ability which allows Vader to sense the location of an opponent, thus neutralizing any and all non-TP based attempts to hide ones self. Last I checked, Joker did not have TP, meaning he wouldn't be able to trick Vader's Force Sense. Vader still stomps. GG.

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@jack_ said:

Well, Vader can force choke people from across space. Joker loves to gloat at his opponents, if not in person than through a screen. Vader already knows his location according to the OP, and theoretically he could just force choke him from there. But if that fails, as soon as Joker gives him a call to taunt him, he'd be choked to death.

@godofnick said:

You're giving Joker a bunch of technology he isn't used to whereas Vader knows just about everything about what Joker is using against him... Vader chokes him on sight.

Firstly, Vader would have done this to all his enemies. Vader can't do that all the time if he's vague on the location.

Secondly, Joker would stay out of Darth Vader's sight.

Joker and Darth Vader starts off on different planets, both are aware of each other's location.

Firstly, Vader hasn't done that to all his enemies for the sake of plot. If he had, there only would have been one Star Wars movie and Vader would have won. If he knows the location of his opponent, he can use Force Choke on them. Seeing as you even stated in the OP that Vader knows the location of Joker, he can use Force Choke on the Joker to end the battle then and there.

Secondly, Vader has Force Sense, meaning he can always be aware of Joker's location.

The OP meant for Vader to know the location of Joker vaguely, somewhere in a specific planet. If Darth Vader can really force choke anyone, then he would have done it all the time instead of having to rely on his troops. Its not plot, its logic.

@godofnick said:

He would come out eventually or Vader would find him, and he is not talking Vader out of ANYTHING, so Vader would choke him. Plain and simple. Besides you said they're both aware of each other's location meaning Vader chokes him without even coming close to him. GG.

Well, I believe Joker could come up with a plan where he disguised himself as a clone trooper and gets close enough to Darth Vader and then stabs him.

Even if Darth Vader has Force Sense, it can be easily be confused by Joker's tactics: Getting many soldiers to sacrifice themselves by throwing themselves in all directions at Darth Vader and his squad of troops, zerg-rush kind of. Joker would pose as one of his men and fights the soldiers himself before turning on Darth Vader when he least expects it.

Feats of that: Watch The Dark Knight movie.

Wow, you really don't know your Star Wars mythos. Force Sense is a TP-like ability which allows Vader to sense the location of an opponent, thus neutralizing any and all non-TP based attempts to hide ones self. Last I checked, Joker did not have TP, meaning he wouldn't be able to trick Vader's Force Sense. Vader still stomps. GG.

When the opponents attack from all directions, Darth Vader isn't going to know that an assassination attempt is going to occur.

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@wenjun_chew_: Dude get your head out of your ass and learn some Star Wars before you make a thread about it lol. Joker is not going to be able to interfere with Vader and the fact you're using movie Joker makes this EVEN worse.

This. 100% This.

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@wenjun_chew_: Dude get your head out of your ass and learn some Star Wars before you make a thread about it lol. Joker is not going to be able to interfere with Vader and the fact you're using movie Joker makes this EVEN worse.

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Dude get your head out of your ass and learn some Star Wars before you make a thread about it lol. Joker is not going to be able to interfere with Vader and the fact you're using movie Joker makes this EVEN worse.

I did and The Force is not invincible.

Prove that Darth Vader can react to every single attack that occurs from all sides, and distinguish exactly who is friendly and who isn't from all sides in a zerg rush.

I used movie Joker because its the more prominent example of how someone without powers can solve problems.

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Vader stomps

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Darth Vader wins, for the many reasons others have already stated.

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@wenjun_chew_: The Force isn't invincible, I never said it was. I said Joker can't do anything to it. Vader wouldn't need to even go to that planet as he could just choke Joker where he stands, and even if he did go to that planet he wouldn't care who's friendly or who's foe, he'd shoot down everything that gets in his way. Pick up some Batman comics and say that again.

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@originalgl_alan said:

@jack_ said:

Well, Vader can force choke people from across space. Joker loves to gloat at his opponents, if not in person than through a screen. Vader already knows his location according to the OP, and theoretically he could just force choke him from there. But if that fails, as soon as Joker gives him a call to taunt him, he'd be choked to death.

@godofnick said:

You're giving Joker a bunch of technology he isn't used to whereas Vader knows just about everything about what Joker is using against him... Vader chokes him on sight.

Firstly, Vader would have done this to all his enemies. Vader can't do that all the time if he's vague on the location.

Secondly, Joker would stay out of Darth Vader's sight.

Joker and Darth Vader starts off on different planets, both are aware of each other's location.

Firstly, Vader hasn't done that to all his enemies for the sake of plot. If he had, there only would have been one Star Wars movie and Vader would have won. If he knows the location of his opponent, he can use Force Choke on them. Seeing as you even stated in the OP that Vader knows the location of Joker, he can use Force Choke on the Joker to end the battle then and there.

Secondly, Vader has Force Sense, meaning he can always be aware of Joker's location.

The OP meant for Vader to know the location of Joker vaguely, somewhere in a specific planet. If Darth Vader can really force choke anyone, then he would have done it all the time instead of having to rely on his troops. Its not plot, its logic.

@godofnick said:

He would come out eventually or Vader would find him, and he is not talking Vader out of ANYTHING, so Vader would choke him. Plain and simple. Besides you said they're both aware of each other's location meaning Vader chokes him without even coming close to him. GG.

Well, I believe Joker could come up with a plan where he disguised himself as a clone trooper and gets close enough to Darth Vader and then stabs him.

Even if Darth Vader has Force Sense, it can be easily be confused by Joker's tactics: Getting many soldiers to sacrifice themselves by throwing themselves in all directions at Darth Vader and his squad of troops, zerg-rush kind of. Joker would pose as one of his men and fights the soldiers himself before turning on Darth Vader when he least expects it.

Feats of that: Watch The Dark Knight movie.

Wow, you really don't know your Star Wars mythos. Force Sense is a TP-like ability which allows Vader to sense the location of an opponent, thus neutralizing any and all non-TP based attempts to hide ones self. Last I checked, Joker did not have TP, meaning he wouldn't be able to trick Vader's Force Sense. Vader still stomps. GG.

When the opponents attack from all directions, Darth Vader isn't going to know that an assassination attempt is going to occur.

Except that lower level telepaths than Vader are able to discern every mind in a rush tactic and ID who's who. Besides, Vader still has a variety of Force techniques that are designed to take down attacks from all sides.

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The Force isn't invincible, I never said it was. I said Joker can't do anything to it. Vader wouldn't need to even go to that planet as he could just choke Joker where he stands, and even if he did go to that planet he wouldn't care who's friendly or who's foe, he'd shoot down everything that gets in his way. Pick up some Batman comics and say that again.

I strongly doubt that Darth Vader will just go and choke Joker from a far distance away, he would come and look for Joker.

But what I suspect is that Joker could set up a distraction so that Darth Vader would be occupied with the attack. Then Joker could focus his efforts on capturing some major plot device, say, the Death Star, and move on to Darth Vader to eliminate him.

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this is a force stomp

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At it again, eh?

At what?

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Vader 100/100

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More proof Joker is able to take on Darth Vader for a good fight:

- Darth Vader loses to Skywalker in a saber battle.

- Joker can get them to fight and then sendoff either one of them when they are done.

Feat to prove he can do that: Read Salvation Run storyline, where Joker gets rid of Gorilla Grodd.

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More proof Joker is able to take on Darth Vader for a good fight:

- Darth Vader loses to Skywalker in a saber battle.

- Joker can get them to fight and then sendoff either one of them when they are done.

Feat to prove he can do that: Read Salvation Run storyline, where Joker gets rid of Gorilla Grodd.

Skywalker >>>>>>>>> Joker

Salavation Run is a terrible example for most things.

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Couldn't Vader...you know....force choke him. From like, lightyears away.

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When will a certain someone be banned...............formabout the eight time, I mean really? You can just create multiple accounts even if your banned?with basically the same name @saren

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What are Force capabilities?

I mean,if precognition is one of them....and if he can get to Joker long range,couldn't he win? Like...easily?

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#43  Edited By Wenjun_Chew_

When will a certain someone be banned...............formabout the eight time, I mean really? You can just create multiple accounts even if your banned?with basically the same name @saren

I was flagged by angry users without justification, not banned. Learn the difference

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#44  Edited By SuperTroll

Your threads are HILARIOUS.

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@wenjun_chew_: ok then how come you changed profile, as when your flagged enough at the end of the day you can post again, and moderators check every flagged post,if its undeserving they flag the user that flagged you ,ntw one of the main reason vader dosent force choke everyone as some people also have the force however joker dosent have the for e so he has no counter or defense agaisnt force attacks he wouldnt even be able to use a lightsaber

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Vader easily.

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#47  Edited By SladeWade

My first thread I've ever clicked on, and boy am I shocked.

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Vader stomps. Joker has absolutely no chance in hell of winning.

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ummm lightsaber > insanity