JLA B-Team vs The Elite

JLA B-Team: Aquaman, Guy Gardner, Hawkman, Red Tornado, Steel

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The Elite

Rules

• Pre-52
• Standard equipment
• Aquaman has Water Hand and is out of the water 15 minutes
• Win by KO, death, or incapacitation

Who wins?

I'm thinking the Elite. Aquaman might be problematic though.

Prolly the Elite.

@wollfmyth209: @tifalockhart: Would it be a close fight? No contest? What's the biggest factor here?

@willpayton: Probably how serious the Elite approach the situation and the tactics they use.

Elite mostly due to Manchester Black's telepathy.

The Elite don't hold back. Also, no one on JLB can protect against Mancheser Black TK brain crush he used on Superman. His TK field of Supes heat vision to light a cigarette is pretty hot right now.

@willpayton: Not sure how close a fight it would be. I doubt it'd be an immediate stomp, but I also doubt it'd be neccessarily too close.

The biggest factor is Black's TP.

How about Guy putting up an anti-TP bubble around Manchester Black? He could put a bubble around the guy's head like he did to Despero. Just a thought.

@willpayton: Are you referring to this instance?

If so, that wasn't a proper telepathic attack, it was an energy blast and obviously not Despero's best. Nor could physical constructs actually influence something like telepathy, it doesn't make any sense.

tornado beats back and the lantern does the rest ?

@wollfmyth209 said:

@willpayton: Are you referring to this instance?

If so, that wasn't a proper telepathic attack, it was an energy blast and obviously not Despero's best. Nor could physical constructs actually influence something like telepathy, it doesn't make any sense.

Yeah that's it. AFAIK when Despero uses hist third eye like that, it's a psychic attack, not a typical energy beam that shoots out of it.

And Lantern's can definitely block TP attacks with the rings, even from extremely powerful telepaths like Despero. For example:

Aquaman could solo. The water hand is not only anti-magic, making the Hat a useless mook. he can easily dehydrate the entire team in an instant. Manchester's TK may be the only thing preventing it being instant, and the water hand makes that even harder by giving Orin regen, teleportation and full elemental form making his brain intangible so it cannot be crushed or tampered with...even if we split them off into teams, Guy should be capable of taking out Manchester by himself as well, John Henry should also since his suit is TK and TP resistant and durable enough to take a beating from Doomsday.....those who want to say Superman>B team so Manchester>B team, Superman doesn't have magic TP, a GL ring or technology from several alien civilizations.....

As for the rest of the Elite, the team can take all of them easily but the Hat....Arthur can take him out

TP is also useless on Red Tornado

@willpayton: it would help vs TP but does it stop his TK brain crush? I read in another post but it would help if Aquaman had his water hand

but he is also a telekinetic

and what about Coldcast EMP. Dude controls EM spectrum on a subatomic level

Aquaman does have the Water Hand in this fight.

that evens out a lot then. Coldcast as I stated would EMP Red and Steel. His EM ability is subatomic. As shown, Guy could do the lantern bubble. Don't know if that helps against TK but it helps. Mene and Hat don't have enough feats really.

@willpayton: The problem is Despero uses psychic blasts, which are almost a physical thing. Manchester immediately assaults the mind and thus it's not something Guy can just prevent easily. And Black has apparently TP'ed a Green Lantern before.

@boschePG:

coldcast will be other wise occupied.

I agree. That is with the showing of Guy and Aquamans water hand it makes the battle on equal terms. Before, it was stomp for Elite