Rounds
- Goku has ultra instincts
- Goku does not have ultra instincts
Rules
- Only the fighters pictured are present
- In character
- No prep
- They fight under tournament of power rules
- Fight takes place here:
Can Jiren solo them all?
I've always thought it was clear in Dragonball that if a character is stronger than the strongest member of a Team ( So Goku) he'll beat the team no matter how many there are.
So without ultra instinct jiren stomps and even with it, it's just Goku vs Jiren again in which Jiren implied he had more power still.
I've always thought it was clear in Dragonball that if a character is stronger than the strongest member of a Team ( So Goku) he'll beat the team no matter how many there are.
Sound without ultra instinct jiren stomps and even with it, it's just Goku vs Jiren again in which Jiren implied he had more power still.
This ^^^
R1: Jiren with mid - high diff
R2: Jiren lolstomps them into oblivion
Idk, I think it could go either way in R1.(Might change later). UI Goku is obviously enough to keep Jiren distracted, which could give some potential openings for Vegeta/Frieza or any tricks from the rest of the team.
Round 2, Jiren smacks them.
US goku could solo if he’s fresh and round 2 is a mismatch
What makes you say that?
Jiren both rounds. UIO will run out like it did in the fight which leave U7 defenseless and no one else can even look at jiren's level. Of course Goku could try to stop Jiren as fast as possible but even then I still have yet to see either's maximum power. I'll side with Jiren the gray for this round.
2nd round Jiren destroys them even harder.
I've always thought it was clear in Dragonball that if a character is stronger than the strongest member of a Team ( So Goku) he'll beat the team no matter how many there are.
Sound without ultra instinct jiren stomps and even with it, it's just Goku vs Jiren again in which Jiren implied he had more power still.
This ^^^
R1: Jiren with mid - high diff
R2: Jiren lolstomps them into oblivion
I don't agree. Piccolo and Goku beat Raditz, It took numbers to beat Vegeta. Also in the movie it was said if Goku and Vegeta worked together they could beat Beerus. Yes there are examples of team work not working in dragon ball but it can work sometimes.
Additionally in DBS Goku stated if he fought in the tournament of power as if they were one on one fights, he would have lost when android 18 stepped in to help Krillain. Goku was also getting overwhelmed by the trio de dangers before vegeta stepped in. Now Jiren being Jiren I don't know if team work would actually work against him.
Only SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta and Golden Frieza (very arguably Andriod 17, assuming that whole SSB Goku=A17 is still going) are the only ones able to make him move a little. He didn't seem like having that much trouble with UI Goku... But some battles in DBS are rather inconsitent with these kind of things, so I'll give Goku the benefit of the doubt and say Universe 7 takes a slight mayority in Round 1. Jiren stomps Round 2 without a doubt.
@johnpeterbanana: No gohan? I'd say his fight between goku and golden frieza showed he's potentially on that level. He at the very least hasn't had too much trouble at this point.
Ot: I think they could potentially win both rounds depending on how serious jiren is from the rip. Once he proves a challenge for Goku and heavy hitters team will be aiming for tactical bfrs and current team would be pro at that.
No gohan? I'd say his fight between goku and golden frieza showed he's potentially on that level. He at the very least hasn't had too much trouble at this point.
Goku was simply training him, so I wouldn't count that as a battle. Plus, Goku has pretty much used SSB in like every fight so far, even against by far weaker opponents than him, so him using it on Gohan is pretty understandable (DBS logic, of course). Frieza created an strategy to get rid of Frost easily without fighting, that was the whole reason he attacked Gohan, and Gohan was cooperating as well, so it looked like an actual fight, but it was just a show for Frost.
I gave A17 the benefit of the doubt because we haven't seen him in a long time and we don't know what he's done. On the other hand, we all perfectly know Gohan hasn't done any kind of training to put him on Goku's level. Same goes for Krillin, A18 and Piccolo (did Tien do this as well? I can't remember right now), who were able to "fight" SSB Goku as well.
Jiren should win both rounds. He can hold his own with Ultra Instinct Goku until the duration of the form expires, while the rest of Universe 7 are basically ants going up against a dinosaur.
Round 1. He wins Mid Diff literally everyone else will be like Nats as he fights UI Goku and beats him whom at the VERY LEAST he’s equal too, (I’m inclined to believe he’s stronger don’t think he was going all out) so he’ll either outlast him again or just straight up beat him if we come to find out Jiren’s max is stronger than what he’s shown.
Round 2. Is a stomp for Jiren again everyone will be essentially nats too him
I've always thought it was clear in Dragonball that if a character is stronger than the strongest member of a Team ( So Goku) he'll beat the team no matter how many there are.
Sound without ultra instinct jiren stomps and even with it, it's just Goku vs Jiren again in which Jiren implied he had more power still.
This ^^^
R1: Jiren with mid - high diff
R2: Jiren lolstomps them into oblivion
Mafuba GG
Do you think that would work on someone as powerful as Jiren?
I've always thought it was clear in Dragonball that if a character is stronger than the strongest member of a Team ( So Goku) he'll beat the team no matter how many there are.
So without ultra instinct jiren stomps and even with it, it's just Goku vs Jiren again in which Jiren implied he had more power still.
Pretty much this. DB makes no sense in that regard.
Jiren first round with ease.
Second round, the other participants are pretty much non factors. It's going to be a Goku vs Jiren fight, and Jiren will win.
Mafuba GG
Do you think that would work on someone as powerful as Jiren?
So far it's worked on everyone. It's literally made for the weak to use on the powerful. One from Roshi can capture Vegeta. Trunks would have captured Zamasu. Roshi, Piccolo and Goku can use it and probably everyone else since apparently all you have to do is see it once to learn it.
If Jiren hasn't seen it before I think it would work. But if this were to happen in the show I imagine plot wouldn't allow it.
@jloneblackheart: To be fair when Vegeta was trapped I thought that was because Frost reversed and used it on Vegeta. All though I guess Goku could use it.
Jiren should take both rounds. He didn't look like he was going 100% against UI Goku.
Jiren takes both as of now. Wait till we see a fully mastered Ultra Instinct Form.
@stormshadow_x said:
I've always thought it was clear in Dragonball that if a character is stronger than the strongest member of a Team ( So Goku) he'll beat the team no matter how many there are.
So without ultra instinct jiren stomps and even with it, it's just Goku vs Jiren again in which Jiren implied he had more power still.
That is mainly because power levels are not linear.
For example, King Piccolo was a worldwide threat, despite having a power level below 300.
Anyway, Jiren wins.
All the universe 7 (except Goku) is fodder for him.
Jiren takes both as of now. Wait till we see a fully mastered Ultra Instinct Form.
Ultra Instincts Kio-ken x20 lol
Jiren lets them do Mafuba
lol this. Even if Master Roshi isn't strong enough to do it Goku has the vitality and has learned it.
Jiren lets them do Mafuba
lol this. Even if Master Roshi isn't strong enough to do it Goku has the vitality and has learned it.
Yup and its completely in character for him to stand still and try to tank lol
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