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#1 Posted by randumo24 (4885 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren vs a gauntlet of Sailor Moon's 4 main forms over the series

1. Sailor Moon

2. Super Sailor Moon

3. Eternal Sailor Moon

4. Sailor Cosmos

Both are bloodlusted, each round stamina and injuries are fully healed. How far can Jiren make it against Sailor Moon?

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#2 Posted by Saiyan77 (2135 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't the strongest version is more like Mystic Gohan level to my knowledge of Sailor Moon characters

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#3 Edited by jasonhitto (1341 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren swat them all away like flies

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#4 Edited by BeaconofStrength (12487 posts) - - Show Bio

He can really only beat Base Sailor Moon (unless you count Neo-Queen Serenity as base, in which case she fodderizes him). Super Sailor and above absolutely wreck him. Jiren has literally 0 way to counter her Lambda regeneration.

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#5 Edited by ElderElijah190 (2033 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren clears.

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#6 Edited by Namiii (250 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren solos Sailor Moon.

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#7 Posted by DrunkHC (750 posts) - - Show Bio

I did not watch sailor moon much less saw the manga but I already discussed it with fans of Sailor moon, she and powerful, Jiren have no chance of winning.

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#8 Posted by DrunkHC (750 posts) - - Show Bio

She faces sailor galaxy who is a character extremely appealing and strong.

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#9 Posted by Namiii (250 posts) - - Show Bio

@drunkhc: ah, you again.

Sailor GALAXIA is her name. And her best feat is being on par with Eternal Sailor Moon, who is galaxy level+ and a high-balled 800 billions of times FTL.

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#10 Edited by TheDeathstar (4064 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren would solo before they can blink.

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#11 Posted by DrunkHC (750 posts) - - Show Bio

The power of sailor moon verse comes mainly from his Hax not from his DC.
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#12 Edited by HigherPower (12190 posts) - - Show Bio

As always, resident DB fanboys saying their favorite character stomps without a sliver of knowledge on the opponent at hand. I can inform/educate ignorant people on characters but I can't fix stupidity. Usagi stomps.

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#13 Posted by Namiii (250 posts) - - Show Bio

@higherpower: I assure you I read Sailor Moon and she can't do anything against DBS top tiers. Her highest feat is using all of the galaxy's sailor crystals to repair the damage done by Chaos on a galactic scale. That's jack shit to Jiren.

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#15 Posted by HigherPower (12190 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii: Sorry, anyone who says this-

@namiii said:

Jiren solos Sailor Moon.

Can't be taken seriously.

Inb4 infinite power time transcendent 4D Jiren.

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@higherpower said:

@namiii: Sorry, anyone who says this-

@namiii said:

Jiren solos Sailor Moon.

Can't be taken seriously.

Inb4 infinite power time transcendent 4D Jiren.

Jiren still solos, sorry.

She is not fast enough, not strong enough, and her hax doesn't really help her here.

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#17 Posted by randumo24 (4885 posts) - - Show Bio

@saiyan77 said:

Isn't the strongest version is more like Mystic Gohan level to my knowledge of Sailor Moon characters

Lol, no. The most powerful version, Sailor Cosmos is a Universe buster. Also billions of times FTL, with all kinds of reality warping capabilities among other things.

@namiii said:

@drunkhc: ah, you again.

Sailor GALAXIA is her name. And her best feat is being on par with Eternal Sailor Moon, who is galaxy level+ and a high-balled 800 billions of times FTL.

Sailor Cosmos is Sailor Moon's final form, not Galaxia. Sailor Cosmos is universal level.

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#18 Posted by HigherPower (12190 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii said:

Jiren still solos, sorry

You should be.

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#19 Edited by AldebaranSS (156 posts) - - Show Bio

Sailor moon solo the dbs verse.

Spite thread Inb4lock

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#20 Posted by Namiii (250 posts) - - Show Bio

@saiyan77 said:

Isn't the strongest version is more like Mystic Gohan level to my knowledge of Sailor Moon characters

Lol, no. The most powerful version, Sailor Cosmos is a Universe buster. Also billions of times FTL, with all kinds of reality warping capabilities among other things.

@namiii said:

@drunkhc: ah, you again.

Sailor GALAXIA is her name. And her best feat is being on par with Eternal Sailor Moon, who is galaxy level+ and a high-balled 800 billions of times FTL.

Sailor Cosmos is Sailor Moon's final form, not Galaxia. Sailor Cosmos is universal level.

Sailor Cosmos is galaxy level+, not universe level. And Galaxia was her final opponent (well, excluding Chaos) whereas the guy said her name was Sailor Galaxy.

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#21 Posted by deactivated-5aa08c9c0e091 (29 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch in favor of Sailor Moon.

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@namiii said:
said:

Mismatch in favor of Sailor Moon.

How?

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Sailor_Moon_(Character)

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Sailor_Cosmos

"B-b-b-b-u vsbattle is not accurate"

1. The Galaxy Cauldron cannot be by definition universal. Not only does its name already point out the obvious (otherwise it'd be called the Universal Cauldron), but the manga scans also state that "this is the place where all the stars in the galaxy are born". By "everything" used in some instances, the Sailor Senshi obviously mean the Milky Way, our own galaxy.

The fact that the Galaxy Cauldron is located inside Sagittarius A* which is based on our own Milky Way's center (also called Sagittarius A*) does not help.

Some can argue that "but where did everything else come from?", and the answer is pretty simple, all the galaxies in the Sailor Moon universe have their own Galaxy Cauldron.

2. There's NO proof Chaos warped the farthest reaches of space-time to the point it would threaten the entire universe. (what he meant to do is either a) fuse with the Galaxy Cauldron and then destroying the universe via chain-reaction, which is NOT universe level or b) intent to destroy/alter the Galaxy Cauldron so that he can alter the history of the Milky Way, as pointed out by Sailor Pluto).

3. The Lambda Power being universal is based on a theory that involves the lambda constant and the universe eventually becoming a static universe, which is infinite temporally and spatially. However, there is absolutely NO evidence of it in Sailor Moon. All Sailor Cosmos says is that the Lambda Power will restore everything to the static cosmos, where by that she means, in the context, the Galaxy Cauldron and the Milky Way, not the entire universe.

Sailor Moon fans try to apply this concept to justify universe+ Sailor Moon but that's like saying Cell Saga Vegeta is universe level because his attack is called Big Bang and Boros is star level because his attack is called Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon. Besides, anime Buuhan's Vice Shout works on a similar premise, but he isn't universe level either.

4. The Silver Crystal is said to contain limitless power numerous times in the manga, but that proves absolutely nothing. That's like saying Saitama is limitless because the premise of his show is that he can one-punch everything. I can call myself to be able to destroy the universe many times but that doesn't mean I can lol. The Silver Crystal example is just an elementary example of a no limits fallacy.

5. At one point, two silver crystals (of the past and future) were about to collide, and Pluto screamed that if that happened, the entire world will collapse. Some may suggest the entire universe will crash, but this in my opinion is an unquantifible feat that could very well be only planet level (Luna states at one point that if you use the Silver Crystal to its full power, it can destroy even a planet).

6. Lastly, some may say that Sailor Moon is universal based on the Nehellenia arc. It's called a parallel world in the Sailor Moon manga, and some people seem to think that it has the size of a whole universe. They also base this on Naoko's Nehellenia official profile where it's stated that her world contains "stars and constellations". That, however, doesn't mean Nehellenia's world is the size of the universe. That tells me it's a multi-star system or small galaxy sized world.

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#25 Posted by deactivated-5aa08c9c0e091 (29 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii said:
@voidbreaker said:

Mismatch in favor of Sailor Moon.

How?

Nigh toon-force level hax that includes time manipulation on a universal scale and several attacks that bypass durability. She's also much faster than him.

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#26 Posted by Namiii (250 posts) - - Show Bio

@voidbreaker: Jiren is in the quadrillions. There's no way she's faster.

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#28 Posted by deactivated-5aa08c9c0e091 (29 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii said:

@voidbreaker: Jiren is in the quadrillions. There's no way she's faster.

Since when?

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@namiii said:
@voidbreaker said:
@namiii said:

@voidbreaker: Jiren is in the quadrillions. There's no way she's faster.

Since when?

Beerus can react to Goku's attacks at a lowballed 293 quadrillions of times FTL. Jiren should be on par with him, since he was stated to have reached the domain of a God of Destruction.

Lowballed?

Lol

Goku ssb is Subsonic because he evenly matched Hit and hit got blitzed by Dyspo who was stated, by toppo, to be "faster than the speed of sound and light". Why did he have to mention "the speed of sound"?

That indicates that dyspo's base speed is supersonic which is shown in his fight with hit. Dypo had to hear the sound of hit's muscle flexions travel from hit to dyspo's ear before he could blitz him. Which indicate that hit is slower than the speed of sound.

And this scan proves that dyspo's maximum speed is Lightspeed only:

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Episode 124 (21 January)

A Stormy, Fierce Attack! Gohan Fights with his Back to the Wall!!

疾風怒涛の猛襲!悟飯背水の陣!!

Shippūdotōnomōshū!Gohanhaisuinojin!!

FujiTV Preview Image

Gohan's in big trouble! What's his comeback strategy?!

Gohan helps out Freeza in his fierce battle against Universe 11's Dyspo. The two are at the mercy of Dyspo's light-speed movement?!

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Author's statements> Fans calculation. Especially if it concerns dragon ball since dragon ball =/= Math

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#31 Posted by randumo24 (4885 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii said:
@voidbreaker said:
@namiii said:

@voidbreaker: Jiren is in the quadrillions. There's no way she's faster.

Since when?

Beerus can react to Goku's attacks at a lowballed 293 quadrillions of times FTL. Jiren should be on par with him, since he was stated to have reached the domain of a God of Destruction.

If you're going to bring in the crazy fan calcs of vsbattles, they have her Cosmos form tier speed so high it is in the Immeasurable tier. Not only is her final form in the Immeasurable speed tier, but she's also in the multi-universal tier in range, durability, and attack potency. So, that's all without even bringing in her reality warping abilities lol. They tend to go way overboard there.

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#32 Posted by Namiii (250 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii said:
@voidbreaker said:
@namiii said:

@voidbreaker: Jiren is in the quadrillions. There's no way she's faster.

Since when?

Beerus can react to Goku's attacks at a lowballed 293 quadrillions of times FTL. Jiren should be on par with him, since he was stated to have reached the domain of a God of Destruction.

Lowballed?

Lol

Goku ssb is Subsonic because he evenly matched Hit and hit got blitzed by Dyspo who was stated, by toppo, to be "faster than the speed of sound and light". Why did he have to mention "the speed of sound"?

That indicates that dyspo's base speed is supersonic which is shown in his fight with hit. Dypo had to hear the sound of hit's muscle flexions travel from hit to dyspo's ear before he could blitz him. Which indicate that hit is slower than the speed of sound.

And this scan proves that dyspo's maximum speed is Lightspeed only:

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Episode 124 (21 January)

A Stormy, Fierce Attack! Gohan Fights with his Back to the Wall!!

疾風怒涛の猛襲!悟飯背水の陣!!

Shippūdotōnomōshū!Gohanhaisuinojin!!

FujiTV Preview Image

Gohan's in big trouble! What's his comeback strategy?!

Gohan helps out Freeza in his fierce battle against Universe 11's Dyspo. The two are at the mercy of Dyspo's light-speed movement?!

This poster was made to appeal to the general DBS audience, aka kids and teens in Japan. Of course they would only say "light-speed" instead of FTL or quadrillions FTL, in order to keep it simple. Also, Dyspo and Hit both scale to SSB Goku, who is by that point stronger and faster than the one who fought Beerus in BoG. Those "muscle flexions" you mention are effects introduced by the producers, in order to increase the "adrenaline" of watching the show.

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@randumo24 said:
@namiii said:
@voidbreaker said:
@namiii said:

@voidbreaker: Jiren is in the quadrillions. There's no way she's faster.

Since when?

Beerus can react to Goku's attacks at a lowballed 293 quadrillions of times FTL. Jiren should be on par with him, since he was stated to have reached the domain of a God of Destruction.

If you're going to bring in the crazy fan calcs of vsbattles, they have her Cosmos form tier speed so high it is in the Immeasurable tier. Not only is her final form in the Immeasurable speed tier, but she's also in the multi-universal tier in range, durability, and attack potency. So, that's all without even bringing in her reality warping abilities lol. They tend to go way overboard there.

Sailor Cosmos? Immeasurable speed? AHAHAHAHAHA

And nope, she isn't multi-universal, like... at all. Actually I don't really follow VSwiki because they wank a ton of characters, including Sailor Moon and even Goku (a little bit), but it's mainly because of dimensional tiering and stuff. This calc though... I can agree with it. There was also a 1.4 quintillion SM calc on obd but it was debunked.

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#34 Edited by Zokologue3 (730 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii:

Once again personal opinion =/= Writers statements.

Why did they specifically said "Lightspeed"? To not contradict toppo.

if they wanted to appeal the japanese kids as you said, they would just have said "The two are at the mercy of Dyspo's tremendous/incridible/unimaginable speed"

Face it. Dyspo is the first dbs stated to be lightspeed

And what?

Those "muscle flexions" you mention are effects introduced by the producers, in order to increase the "adrenaline" of watching the show.

You need to find a better excuse.

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#35 Posted by randumo24 (4885 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii said:
@randumo24 said:
@namiii said:
@voidbreaker said:
@namiii said:

@voidbreaker: Jiren is in the quadrillions. There's no way she's faster.

Since when?

Beerus can react to Goku's attacks at a lowballed 293 quadrillions of times FTL. Jiren should be on par with him, since he was stated to have reached the domain of a God of Destruction.

If you're going to bring in the crazy fan calcs of vsbattles, they have her Cosmos form tier speed so high it is in the Immeasurable tier. Not only is her final form in the Immeasurable speed tier, but she's also in the multi-universal tier in range, durability, and attack potency. So, that's all without even bringing in her reality warping abilities lol. They tend to go way overboard there.

Sailor Cosmos? Immeasurable speed? AHAHAHAHAHA

And nope, she isn't multi-universal, like... at all. Actually I don't really follow VSwiki because they wank a ton of characters, including Sailor Moon and even Goku (a little bit), but it's mainly because of dimensional tiering and stuff. This calc though... I can agree with it. There was also a 1.4 quintillion SM calc on obd but it was debunked.

So, the one that they said is too questionable to even list on his page is ok for you to use here but the one that they are ok with you put on her page is not ok? The feat you tried to list for him is total bs because literally everyone reacted to it. Unless Bulma now has MFTL reaction speed, the calc is bullshit.

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@namiii:

Once again personal opinion =/= Writers statements.

Why did they specifically said "Lightspeed" if they wanted to appeal the japanese kids as you said, they should just have said "The two are at the mercy of Dyspo's tremendous/incridible/unimaginable speed

And what?

Those "muscle flexions" you mention are effects introduced by the producers, in order to increase the "adrenaline" of watching the show.

You need to find a better excuse.

And does light-speed ALWAYS mean light-speed...? In that context it means what you said, tremendous speed.

Ok then.

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@randumo24 said:
@namiii said:
@randumo24 said:
@namiii said:
@voidbreaker said:
@namiii said:

@voidbreaker: Jiren is in the quadrillions. There's no way she's faster.

Since when?

Beerus can react to Goku's attacks at a lowballed 293 quadrillions of times FTL. Jiren should be on par with him, since he was stated to have reached the domain of a God of Destruction.

If you're going to bring in the crazy fan calcs of vsbattles, they have her Cosmos form tier speed so high it is in the Immeasurable tier. Not only is her final form in the Immeasurable speed tier, but she's also in the multi-universal tier in range, durability, and attack potency. So, that's all without even bringing in her reality warping abilities lol. They tend to go way overboard there.

Sailor Cosmos? Immeasurable speed? AHAHAHAHAHA

And nope, she isn't multi-universal, like... at all. Actually I don't really follow VSwiki because they wank a ton of characters, including Sailor Moon and even Goku (a little bit), but it's mainly because of dimensional tiering and stuff. This calc though... I can agree with it. There was also a 1.4 quintillion SM calc on obd but it was debunked.

So, the one that they said is too questionable to even list on his page is ok for you to use here but the one that they are ok with you put on her page is not ok? The feat you tried to list for him is total bs because literally everyone reacted to it. Unless Bulma now has MFTL reaction speed, the calc is bullshit.

If we don't include that feat, then Whis himself is 72 quadrillions of times FTL in travel speed, Beerus is 3/4 as fast as him, and Jiren is on par with Beerus. The only problem is that I can't really find the feat because the obd page links to something else.

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@namiii said:
@zokologue3 said:

@namiii:

Once again personal opinion =/= Writers statements.

Why did they specifically said "Lightspeed" if they wanted to appeal the japanese kids as you said, they should just have said "The two are at the mercy of Dyspo's tremendous/incridible/unimaginable speed

And what?

Those "muscle flexions" you mention are effects introduced by the producers, in order to increase the "adrenaline" of watching the show.

You need to find a better excuse.

And does light-speed ALWAYS mean light-speed...? In that context it means what you said, tremendous speed.

Ok then.

That's not how it works. When we say lightspeed it's either lightspeed or close to lightspeed but never faster than LS and especially not massively faster than lightspeed.

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Daddy, do you think gOkU DRAGON BALL IS VERY WEAK!!!!!!! '' '' '' '' !!!!!!!!!! '' '' '' '' !!!! '' '' '' ' "" "" !!!!! ????????

YES, daughter, IT'S VERY SLOW!




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#40 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (17515 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, looks like there's a larger influx of toxicity in DB threads lately... I can only imagine where this will end up leading...

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Well, looks like there's a larger influx of toxicity in DB threads lately... I can only imagine where this will end up leading...

well, because of downplayers like @zokologue3 and @drunkhc... this is why I feel like giving up on this

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#42 Edited by DrunkHC (750 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii: Top characters in Sailor Moon destroy this E.T Grey without charisma.

Just accept

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#43 Posted by Namiii (250 posts) - - Show Bio

@drunkhc said:

@namiii: Top characters in Sailor Moon destroy this E.T Grey without charisma.

Just accept

a galaxy level+, 800 billions of times (high-balled) FTL magical girl vs a universe level+ pride trooper in the quadrillions... I wonder who wins...

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#44 Edited by Zokologue3 (730 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii said:
TLSSH said:

Well, looks like there's a larger influx of toxicity in DB threads lately... I can only imagine where this will end up leading...

well, because of downplayers like @zokologue3 and @drunkhc... this is why I feel like giving up on this

Not answering the argument

Leaving thinking "Well they are dragon ball haters, anyway, so they must be wrong. I won the debate and i know it"

Coming back and checkking the last comment

The last comment is not related to what i said. "Well screw it i'll just use it, anyway, as an excuse to taunt the dragon ball haters. But what if they don't see my comment? Guess, i'll have to tag them"

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@zokologue3 said:
@namiii said:
said:

Well, looks like there's a larger influx of toxicity in DB threads lately... I can only imagine where this will end up leading...

well, because of downplayers like @zokologue3 and drunkhc... this is why I feel like giving up on this

Not answering the argument

Leaving thinking "Well they are dragon ball haters, anyway, so they must be wrong. I won the debate and i know it"

Coming back and checkking the last comment

The last comment is not related to what i said. "Well screw it i'll just use it, anyway, as an excuse to taunt the dragon ball haters."

no, it's because of the stupid, unrealistic downplay you and DrunkHC seem to be doing on every single Dragon Ball thread.

Then by your logic Sailor Moon takes a long time to transform and Jiren can just kill her while transforming.

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#46 Posted by Zokologue3 (730 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii said:
@zokologue3 said:
@namiii said:
said:

Well, looks like there's a larger influx of toxicity in DB threads lately... I can only imagine where this will end up leading...

well, because of downplayers like @zokologue3 and drunkhc... this is why I feel like giving up on this

Not answering the argument

Leaving thinking "Well they are dragon ball haters, anyway, so they must be wrong. I won the debate and i know it"

Coming back and checkking the last comment

The last comment is not related to what i said. "Well screw it i'll just use it, anyway, as an excuse to taunt the dragon ball haters."

no, it's because of the stupid, unrealistic downplay you and DrunkHC seem to be doing on every single Dragon Ball thread.

Yeah yeah, we know the music. "The dragon ball haters are evil and obsessed with lowballing dragon ball." I'm just being realistic. When a dragon ball character is advantaged against another character, i side up with him. I don't downplay dragon ball, in every thread.

I don't get this mentality of "Dragon ball is the strongest verse of all time and anyway who disagree with it is a lowballer".

There are tons of Anime and comics stronger than dragon ball. Infact dragon ball is not even in the top 20 strongest anime/comics of all time.

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@namiii: magical girl......the strongest character of the verse that you defend is this crap

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#48 Edited by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren.

Obviously.

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#49 Edited by Zokologue3 (730 posts) - - Show Bio

@namiii said:
said:DrunkHc

@namiii: Top characters in Sailor Moon destroy this E.T Grey without charisma.

Just accept

a galaxy level+, 800 billions of times (high-balled) FTL magical girl vs a universe level+ pride trooper in the quadrillions... I wonder who wins...

Dyspo is the fastest and he is barely Lightspeed as i proved it earlier.

Sailor moons characters are MFTL+

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#50 Posted by DrunkHC (750 posts) - - Show Bio

@zokologue3: sailor moon has a lot hax as far as I can remember, not just the speed that is favoring it.