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#1 Posted by ShadowWing (828 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren starts off meditating.

The Sayain God vs the God Cloth Golden Saint.

Death or KO.

No prep.

Battle on Earth.

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#2 Edited by lordcloud121 (281 posts) - - Show Bio

Seiya damaging Hades is > anything in dragon ball besides Zeno on a damage output level.

Along with the massive speed advantage, and ability to resurrect himself even if he did die gives the decisive advantage, Jiren has no way to put him down.

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#3 Posted by Batuxx28 (263 posts) - - Show Bio

Seiya damaging Hades is > anything in dragon ball besides Zeno on a damage output level.

Along with the massive speed advantage, and ability to resurrect himself even if he did die gives the decisive advantage, Jiren has no way to put him down.

HAHAHAHA THE WANK FOR SS IN INSANE.

there's no way Seiya is above Jiren.

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#4 Posted by PhantomRant (1139 posts) - - Show Bio

@batuxx28 said:

HAHAHAHA THE WANK FOR SS IN INSANE.

there's no way Seiya is above Jiren.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!!!

Yes there is, and by a massive margin too.

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#5 Edited by Batuxx28 (263 posts) - - Show Bio

@phantomrant said:
@batuxx28 said:

HAHAHAHA THE WANK FOR SS IN INSANE.

there's no way Seiya is above Jiren.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!!!

Yes there is, and by a massive margin too.

hahahaha again the wank for ss is INSANE,

Big Bang<<<<<<<<<<<<Universal attack

crossing galaxies in time and space distorted has not regular conditions=NO REAL FEAT

Manga says Gold Saints are Speed Light No More.

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#6 Posted by Streak619 (5405 posts) - - Show Bio

It is said that Jiren's power transcends time

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#7 Posted by lordcloud121 (281 posts) - - Show Bio

@batuxx28: the wank for Dragon Ball is truly insane.

Where's your feats? Show me on screen Jiren or Goku or Beerus or Whis or anyone not named Zeno destroying anything larger than a planet. I'll wait. And wait. And wait. And keep waiting.

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#8 Posted by Chaos239 (4762 posts) - - Show Bio
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Jiren stomps.

Galaxy Level <<<< Universal

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#9 Edited by HitTheAssasin (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordcloud121 said:

@batuxx28: the wank for Dragon Ball is truly insane.

Where's your feats? Show me on screen Jiren or Goku or Beerus or Whis or anyone not named Zeno destroying anything larger than a planet. I'll wait. And wait. And wait. And keep waiting.

>Champa and Beerus would have destroyed the Universe on 3 different Occasions had Whis and Vados not stopped them.

>Jiren and UI Goku shake a Universe sized area(World of Void) with just there presence

>Goku and Beerus almost accidentally destroy the Universe

>Beerus is stated to be > Merged Zamasu who actually became the Universe

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#10 Posted by TheDeathstar (3896 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren easily.

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#11 Posted by Marshall_Long (5621 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren beats gold cloth Seiya

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#12 Posted by KingFrieza (1268 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren obviously wins this.

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#13 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22864 posts) - - Show Bio

God Cloth Seiya blitzes him.

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#14 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22864 posts) - - Show Bio

@batuxx28 said:
@phantomrant said:
@batuxx28 said:

HAHAHAHA THE WANK FOR SS IN INSANE.

there's no way Seiya is above Jiren.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!!!

Yes there is, and by a massive margin too.

hahahaha again the wank for ss is INSANE,

Big Bang<<<<<<<<<<<<Universal attack

crossing galaxies in time and space distorted has not regular conditions=NO REAL FEAT

Manga says Gold Saints are Speed Light No More.

Please do explain the logic behind a universal attack > an attack with the same amount of energy as something that created the universe.

What do you mean crossing galaxies is no real feat? Elaborate on how traveling through the Super Dimensional Space makes the feat less impressive.

Feats say Bronze Saints (Seiya and his friends) are much faster than light and Gold Saints have demonstrated MFTL feats as well, such as Shura surpassing the initial expansion of the universe.

By all means, quantify Jiren's speed to show why he doesn't get absolutely blitzed here.

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#15 Edited by jasonhitto (1309 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren stomp saint seiya verse...if universal goku cant beat him then there no way a mere galaxy level can hope to beat jiren...he get glared to death

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#16 Posted by HitTheAssasin (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarkpaladin:

Please do explain the logic behind a universal attack > an attack with the same amount of energy as something that created the universe.

Could you please post the feat?

Also, having the power of the Big-Bang isn't = to destroying a Universe, it's actually kinda unquantifiable since we don't know how much destructive power the big-bang actually has.

What do you mean crossing galaxies is no real feat? Elaborate on how traveling through the Super Dimensional Space makes the feat less impressive.

It's a travel speed feat that's quite frankly irrelevant here.

Jiren is considerably FTL in Combat, as shown when he reacted to Goku's kick while Dyspo(confirmed FTL in combat) couldn't, then later fought on par with a faster UI Goku.

Feats say Bronze Saints (Seiya and his friends) are much faster than light and Gold Saints have demonstrated MFTL feats as well, such as Shura surpassing the initial expansion of the universe.

Combat or Travel speed?

By all means, quantify Jiren's speed to show why he doesn't get absolutely blitzed here.

Jiren is considerably FTL in Combat, as shown when he reacted to Goku's kick while Dyspo(confirmed FTL in combat) couldn't, then later fought on par with a faster UI Goku.

What are Seiya's combat speed feats?

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#17 Posted by Gaoron (6429 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren in good match

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#19 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22864 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin:

Could you please post the feat?

https://imgur.com/a/i56Xh

Also, having the power of the Big-Bang isn't = to destroying a Universe, it's actually kinda unquantifiable since we don't know how much destructive power the big-bang actually has.

The laws of thermodynamics would disagree. We can determine how much energy was manipulated during this event by estimating the total mass-energy of the universe today:

https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/ask_astro/cosmology.html

It's a travel speed feat that's quite frankly irrelevant here.

That doesn't answer the my question - why is that not a real feat? Should we assume Whis and Vados crossing large distances is also not a "real feat" as well, as their only quantifiable speed feats to date are not applicable to combat.

Jiren is considerably FTL in Combat, as shown when he reacted to Goku's kick while Dyspo(confirmed FTL in combat) couldn't, then later fought on par with a faster UI Goku.

The ability to perceive something doesn't equate to your own movement speed. Furthermore, I can easily use this line of thinking to say they're slower than Dyspo, considering Zeno and the rest of the spectators had no issue following Jiren and Goku's battle, while a couple of them were shown to be unable to keep track of Dyspo's burst speed. We also don't even know how much FTL Dyspo is during his short burst movement speed. It could be 2 times faster than light or 2,000,000. There is no way to determine it.

Combat or Travel speed?

Crossing the Super Dimensional Space only applies to travel speed. Fortunately, God Cloth Seiya reacted to attacks that crossed the same amount of distance and more when he fought Thanatos, as we see when Thanatos kills Pandora, who at the time, was on the other end of the Super Dimensional Space--where the Bronze Saints were before traveling to Elysium and later Seika who was back at Sanctuary on Earth:

https://imgur.com/a/f256V

What are Seiya's combat speed feats?

Reacting to Thantos' attacks which were able to cross the Super Dimensional Space to kill Pandora and Seika:

https://imgur.com/a/qxUKq

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#20 Posted by Helloman (21132 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren wins.

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#21 Posted by PhantomRant (1139 posts) - - Show Bio

@batuxx28 said:

Big Bang<<<<<<<<<<<<Universal attack

Which doesn't matter if we've already seen SS characters destroy universe-sized dimensions rather than just concentrate the power of TBB.

crossing galaxies in time and space distorted has not regular conditions=NO REAL FEAT

Such stupidity. We have a stated distance, which would mean space-time distortion has no effect on the speed feat or else a distance wouldn't have been stated. You're being desperate.

Manga says Gold Saints are Speed Light No More.

Irrelevant. I could easily just as say that Jiren isn't FTL because only Dypso was stated to be so. What matters is that SS has a consistent plethora of Massively FTL+ feats, most of which shits on DBS speed feats.

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#22 Posted by Batuxx28 (263 posts) - - Show Bio

@batuxx28 said:

Big Bang<<<<<<<<<<<<Universal attack

Which doesn't matter if we've already seen SS characters destroy universe-sized dimensions rather than just concentrate the power of TBB.

can u show an scan where current universe can be destroyed?

crossing galaxies in time and space distorted has not regular conditions=NO REAL FEAT

Such stupidity. We have a stated distance, which would mean space-time distortion has no effect on the speed feat or else a distance wouldn't have been stated. You're being desperate.

No, the time is big factor here, no one knows how distorted is the time and Space in that universe, then the conditions are not regular, and the effects of crossing those galaxies either, that is why it can not be considered a feat of speed.

Manga says Gold Saints are Speed Light No More.

Irrelevant. I could easily just as say that Jiren isn't FTL because only Dypso was stated to be so. What matters is that SS has a consistent plethora of Massively FTL+ feats, most of which shits on DBS speed feats.

Jiren is so much faster than Dyspo,

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#23 Posted by Ghetsiscmcvne (998 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren

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#24 Edited by magnus_carlsen3 (516 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren wins.

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#25 Edited by SainguineXshadow (5251 posts) - - Show Bio

Seiya Mauls the shit out of Jiren and will run circles around Jiren.

One does not usually mess with Gold cloth Saints the speed difference between them and DB is ridiculous.

Nevermind God cloth.

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#26 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22864 posts) - - Show Bio

@sainguinexshadow: God Cloth Seiya would make it even worse and it's difficult to tell the topic creator's intentions going by the "God Cloth Golden Saint" in the original post.

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#27 Posted by SainguineXshadow (5251 posts) - - Show Bio

@sainguinexshadow: God Cloth Seiya would make it even worse and it's difficult to tell the topic creator's intentions going by the "God Cloth Golden Saint" in the original post.

People are high 4 or 5 Gold cloth Saints would literally bitchslap everyone in the tournament of power in an outright massacre.

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#28 Edited by Thedarkpaladin (22864 posts) - - Show Bio

@sainguinexshadow: Eh, it's just the same users who go into every thread and argue a DB character wins regardless of who they're up against. I would be surprised if half of the people who have posted in this thread actually read Saint Seiya.

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#29 Posted by SainguineXshadow (5251 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarkpaladin: hell for all we know mysterious character will be the one who recks Jiren.

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#30 Posted by lordcloud121 (281 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: so what you're telling me is you only have statements and hyperbole? No actual feats? Good to know. I rest my case.

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#31 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22864 posts) - - Show Bio

@sainguinexshadow: Yeah, I'm not sure I believe the idea of Jiren being the strongest in the tournament anymore. Guess we'll find out eventually.

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#32 Posted by SainguineXshadow (5251 posts) - - Show Bio
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#33 Posted by Antonio_1996 (1007 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I've read, Seiya should blitz.

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#34 Posted by Galactic_1000 (5037 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren is GoD's level He is Universal.

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#35 Posted by Galactic_1000 (5037 posts) - - Show Bio

Big Bang Is Universal Level.

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#36 Posted by Lucano (3243 posts) - - Show Bio

Seiya speedblitz-one-shots. Spite.

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#37 Posted by jasonhitto (1309 posts) - - Show Bio

@lucano: jiren tanked everything god seiya throw at him like he did against goku and after that jiren one punch him to oblivion...yeppp spite indeed

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#40 Posted by Turr (931 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren easily. He can push away universal level attacks by looking at them and bend time with sheer force of will. Not to mention he knows Ultra Instinct, which means he is almost impossible to tag, even if you are as fast as him.

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#43 Posted by CaptainGanon (289 posts) - - Show Bio

Gold Saints are light speed fighters with partial cosmic understanding. Pegasus could find Jiren's opening/weak point and go for it. Still, Jiren is a tough one, but probably Pegasus.

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#44 Posted by HitTheAssasin (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

@lucano: you realise the Big Bangs expansion speed is only Lightspeed right?

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#45 Posted by Jooosh1996 (2226 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren

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#46 Posted by Zokologue2 (221 posts) - - Show Bio
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As much as like dbz and Jiren, i have to give it to seiya, there is no way that Jiren could defeat him.

He is faster than Jiren, he crossed billions of galaxies in few minutes and his attacks are atomic level, which means they bypass durabiliy,

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#47 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22864 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: The initial expansion of the universe, during the inflationary epoch, was much, much faster than light speed...

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#48 Posted by lordcloud121 (281 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: that makes sense, the expansion of the entire universe in seconds is only light speed 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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#50 Posted by jasonhitto (1309 posts) - - Show Bio

@zokologue2: if jiren can tanked anything universe level goku throw at him then there no way planet level seiya would hurt him even if jiren get speedblitzed...jiren will stand there and tanked anything seiya throw at him and then he proceed to one punch him