Jiren vs Odin

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Jiren could probably stand there, let Odin have the first move, and get haxed.

Odin

Odin's too slow.

Jiren literally has better feats and scaling.

Odin claps the overrated featless fodder so hard. The only person in DB universe who is above Odin by feats is Zeno, and even then it's debatable. Jiren has nothing aside from scalling above a version of Goku who once threatened the universe with his fight, which is really unimpressive compared to some of Odin's feats.

Jiren blitzes and stomps Odin

Honestly Odin's hax might not even be enough for Jiren. He broke out of Hit's time cage just from sheer willpower. Soul hax might work, but I doubt it considering he's far more powerful than Golden Frieza who outright no sold an attack meant to destroy his body and soul. Telepathy is the only hax I can see working here.

Jiren was casually blocking that same Goku with his finger too.

How?

He is much faster, so I think he can blitz, he is honestly more powerful consistently. People who can destroy the universe are basically ants to Jiren. Also, as Stew pointed out, the only hax that Odin has that I can see working is TP , and Odin does not exactly abuse that in combat as far as I have seen.

I’m pretty sure odin has fought across the the universe so I’m not so sure about that. Pretty sure Odin and Galactus got into a big tp battle so eh.True but Odin is above universal

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Odin was beating Uthana Thoth until he had help, the same guy who simply willed a universe to stop dying

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the marvel universe(just 616) has been stated to be infinty multiple different times. So keep this in mind

Stated to have the power to overthrow the universe

Stated to have created midgard

Stated he built the world out of corpse meat

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Warped reality and decided the fate of the universe in a mere game of chess with dormmamu

Created a dimension for Donald blake under the world tree

Sealed cul in the mortal realm and remade it to erasure all trace of him(this was before Odin got the Odin force)

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Odin takes and destroys the matrix stone which gave Karnilla the power to reshape the universe(with zuars help)

He made the ten realms

Stated he and the Phoenix force will build creation again implying they’ve done it before

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he created the Odin sword which could destroy everything and spilt Yggdrasil

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the same tree was stated to essentially carry a multivrese on it’s branches

His also been stated to straight create or destroy the multivrese

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He also nullified surtur’s flames which were going to destroy the world tree

odin and surtur also shook the nine realms

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Odin and Seth’s fight was tearing at the fabric of the multivrese and we’re fighting on every plane of existence

His feats at one point were so nutty that the Watchers went insane from witnessing them

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He scales to the likes of Galactus

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The same Galactus that almost destroyed the multivrese in his three way battle

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The same Galactus also fought Agamotto, and despite being cordoned off in Agamotto's dimension, the power unleashed from their clash was bleeding out and causing havoc across other dimensions and in fact the entire cosmos was being threatened with destruction.

Galactus was un fed when he fought agamotto

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A severely weakened Agamotto, while out of his realm, was still folding/destroying/ripping apart the entire universe too.

When Odin died it echoed across reailty and due to has absence beings like Mephisto saw an opportunity

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Mephisto has claimed Odin to be his equal multiple times

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The same Mephisto who when fighting Satannish in a battle so intense that its residual energies being thrown at each other were flowing outside of his realm and threatening to destroy the dimension they were fighting, Earth's dimension and Mephisto's own.

But taking into account the multiverse map, Mephisto and Satannish hells are multiple dimensions away from earths dimension

@alphamon: Just another point to add. A severely weakened Agamotto, while out of his realm, was still folding/destroying/ripping apart the entire universe too(New Avengers Vol.2#2-6):

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@alphamon: attacks of SSG Goku were able to cross entire DB macro cosmos in second and Jiren was able to blitz much more powerful versions of Goku. DB universe also has statements about being infinite too:

Keep in mind that is just the mortal universe, DB universe is made of several separate dimensions of which the mortal universe is just one. Others include hell, the afterlife, the supreme kai realm, the time chamber etc. And Goku and Beerus were also affecting all of those dimensions with their power and were about to destroy them all in their fight

In fact, in regards to the creation of dimensions and stuff, even base Vegeta can destroy dimension,s and base Vegeta is basically like bacteria compared to Jiren :

SSG Goku, who was threatening to destroy the DB universe ( made of many dimensions) is again basically a speck compared to Jiren. So overthrowing the universe, affecting it, destroying it etc, are done by people whom Jiren destroys with one finger.

Now if you think that Odin is multiversal,he wins yea, but personally at least, I do not think he is consistently multiversal, that is why I am backing Jiren

Depends how you want to scale Odin, ig.

@andromeda1001 said:

@alphamon: Just another point to add. A severely weakened Agamotto, while out of his realm, was still folding/destroying/ripping apart the entire universe too(New Avengers Vol.2#2-6):

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Thank you my good sire

@sonofsparda1366: delulu boy

jiren stomp

@eredin12 said:

@alphamon: attacks of SSG Goku were able to cross entire DB macro cosmos in second and Jiren was able to blitz much more powerful versions of Goku. DB universe also has statements about being infinite too:

Keep in mind that is just the mortal universe, DB universe is made of several separate dimensions of which the mortal universe is just one. Others include hell, the afterlife, the supreme kai realm, the time chamber etc. And Goku and Beerus were also affecting all of those dimensions with their power and were about to destroy them all in their fight

In fact, in regards to the creation of dimensions and stuff, even base Vegeta can destroy dimension,s and base Vegeta is basically like bacteria compared to Jiren :

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SSG Goku, who was threatening to destroy the DB universe ( made of many dimensions) is again basically a speck compared to Jiren. So overthrowing the universe, affecting it, destroying it etc, are done by people whom Jiren destroys with one finger.

Now if you think that Odin is multiversal,he wins yea, but personally at least, I do not think he is consistently multiversal, that is why I am backing Jiren

Hmmm, we’ll Odin reacted to a mjolnir fast enough to return back from a place beyond time(I think) or something crazy like that so there’s that

I thought they were just affecting the mortal team and Kai realm

cool but the un fed galactus feat kinda blows that out the water.

Eh, I think he has enough feats and scaling to say he is

Universal/multiversal Odin is definitely outlier debating but it comes off as consistent compared to Jiren being scaled off Goku's outlier against Bills

@rajjarsalt: it's not an outlier unlike the comic feats that are.

No he didn't lmfao

Jiren's feat is being able to move while in the time cage, which proves that it could not hold him completely. But he broke out because Hit tried to gamble - Jiren grabbed the sphere generating the time cage and crushed it.

Odin has caused time itself to stand still just by showing up, or with a mere gesture. If Hit had that kind of power Universe 6 would have won the ToP within a single episode lol

If this was true, then surely you must be able to show consistency for Goku's universal feats

The fact that he was able to move in a cage where time is stopped still proves he can resist time manipulation to an extent by raw power.

This comparison simply doesn't work lol. Manipulation over time in DBZ (and much hax in general) was a matter of being stronger than the person being subjected to it, it has no relevance to a verse where that rule isn't a factor. Bad stuff.

Krillin and Gohan were stronger than Guldo and they didn't resist his time stop at all.

Was his unique gimmick etc

Great argument.

My argument was that dbz time hax was a matter of strength mostly, you providing a singular specific counter-example is literally a non-argument bar providing extra info irrelevant to the actual point. Again, bad stuff.

Guldo's time stop also functions under different rules given he's not using it directly on individuals like Hit so it as a counter-example by itself also doesn't hold much bar some irrelevance to the topic.

Jiren stomps

Makes claim stronger > hax

Get's shown hax > stronger

Denies the proof in front of him

Profit?

@takenstew22: My take [Odins time hax>>>that time cage, Odin has many universal feats a few multiversal He should wreck here in my opinion

@sparklingneo: comics >>> DBZ bigger more potent verses hardly outliers

time cage is all around a shittier time stop

Behold thy extent!

How is Jiren going to fight if he's giving it all to gain headway against frozen time?

Great point! There's a difference between freezing someone in time and freezing time itself. The difference exceeds every power level multiplier known to man. I'll bet you one Super Dragon Ball they won't understand, though.

Still, that makes Jiren like universal at best. SSG Goku himself wasn't universal, since his feat was shared with a far superior opponent, and they would've destroyed universe over time, with multiple attacks, instead of one. Odin's fight with Seth is far more impressive, because not only they threatened to destroy the universe in a similar fashion, they've also done some real collateral damage (reigniting dying stars and shattering galaxies, while Goku and Beerus's fight only destroyed some random rocky planet) and affected the greater multiverse. And unlike Goku, that's not Odin's only universal feat, and not even his best. Honestly, I don't even see why Odin would need to resort to hax, since his raw power feats put him comfortably above anyone in DB short of Zeno, and he's also far more consistent on top of that.

Not to mention that Hit's little time trick is nothing compared to Odin't control over time

And Jiren still could barely move while Hit was using it against him.

@sonofsparda1366: If Odin does that that's time hax as well as BFR and TP.

Jiren is doomed!

@rajjarsalt: Agreed I don't think Jiren is near Odon anyway but hax wise alone Odin should curb stomp. Marvel Verse>>DBZ verse my opinion don't scale nearly as well. I don't see Jiren beating normal Thor myself But that's How I scale them. I see DBZ verse a micro verse by comparison.

@destinyman75: To check against rampant Dragon Baller bias, it is necessary to be conservative towards Goku and gang imo.

Odin hax blows. Dragon Ball characters are around heralds in terms of physical power, while Odin simply humiliated them every single time they fought.

Jiren stands around like he usually does and gets TP'd.

Heralds are at best star busters consistently, they are not even close to being universal in any way shape or form

@rajjarsalt: 100

Heralds are obviously not close to universal, but neither Dragon Ball bricks are.

@eredin12: True but the thi is Marvel's verse is way bigger and more potent Scaling isn't the same

Example there verse is like one of the 9 in the Thor lore what is universal there can be equivalent to Sat a Thor or silver surfer level marvel guy maybe a little above but by no means Odin tier

@tusyokdiyorum: Wait some people are still in denial over that? Goku has 4 universal feats in BoG alone where he was about to destroy the universe

Well, ToP base Goku took an attack more powerful than Merged Zamasu and that base Goku is fodder to Jiren.