Jiren VS Fudo Myoo (Samurai 8)

Man it's a very very hard thing to decide. Both are extremely strong Fudo is super haxxed than jiren but jiren is superb brute monster. Both are beyond the concept of Time so yeah it's very difficult match up.

But I think if I have to give it to someone it would be a tie or else jiren. But the thing is if jiren can even touch Fudo because he's non corporeal. So yeah maybe Fudo wins

Or best a Tie

Hax over raw power

Fudo should win

Not in Dragon Ball. They can scream and flex the hax away. Unless it's the Mafuba...

I haven't read S8 since Daruma reverted back in human form to beat that Ben (?) dude. WTF happened to S8 if they can now fight DBS chars?!

@snicker-snack: yeah ok

Still I stick with my answer

@ovy7: yeah fudo dude is an higher dimensional entity that created the vast infinite universe having infinities of dimensions within it and all these is just 1/3rd of his full power, not to include that he's space itself which contains all those infinities of dimensions

@haxxxz: wtf? He'd stomp the verse if that's how much power he has

When?! Fudo's hax are much too...?! I need link!!!

@narutouzumakimedakakurokami: you can read it in VIZ or Mangaplus

I don't know if I should say it 1/3rd of his powers or not cause his current state is just said to be one OF HIS THREE FOLD STATE(which can be like every step is an higher dimensional)and this state can be also anything so I'm just saying 1/3rd of his power as the most simplest form to understand (again I'm using the lowball here when I say 1/3rd power)

@haxxxz: he's probably alluding to the 3 fold nature of samurai's body we hear about earlier in chapter 17.

basically 1/3 soul,1/3 key and 1/3 programming.

@manimalman: Actually no. Fudo is talking about the energies that he is made out off and 1 out of these 3 are the H-particle. It's still unknown about what the other 2 are. The 3 fold nature of a samurai that you mentioned are all his creation just using the H-particles (they also make up everything in the universe)

OT - i dont think Jiren can win because Fudo seems to have a 3 fold existence, which exists everywhere in the universe. Neither does Fudo myoo have any destruction feats yet, he only has creation feats. So even though the scale at which fudo myoo works at is higher than jigen, there is nothing really that substantiates yet that he can win. But neither can jiren kill someone who is seemingly "omnipresent".

So the match is too early.

Fudo probably since he sounds way too hax, dude doen't even have a physical body. Not to mention, Jiren is just a brick... but this battle is very very very early. Leads to endless speculation and fan wars.

Having the ability to create something doesn't translate to being able to destroy something of that same magnitude, I honestly don't know where that idea comes from. It's only a valid argument if there are examples of said individual using their power offensively to that same level.

I don't know if this Fudo character has those feats considering I haven't read a single page of whatever manga this is, however I'd like to think that if he did I'd see more of that instead of these creation feats exclusively.

@adi_frost: I'm oversimplifying things.

I dont literally mean he's talking about keys and souls. The san rinjin/ 3 fold body thing is referenced in 17 to explain how samurai bodies work.(its also based loosely a buddhist concept where divine beings are composed of teachings/law, a spiritual body and a physical body, again I'm kinda oversimplifying but w.e)

Acala is referencing this same principle when talking about his own 3 fold body. except instead of his "body" being humanoid, its space itself. Both are made of H particles and serve the same role in the 3 fold body.

He used to have a humanoid H particle body like normal samurai do but he converted it into the universe instead. The other 2 "energies" are likely still his soul and program(wisdom, enlightenment, law etc).

@manimalman: Information aggregation? You know? Throwing that out there.

Fudo can simply destroy Jiren at a subatomic level

@wot_m8: ?

@manimalman: Fudo called himself "Information aggregation."

Implying one of his three-folds could be purely knowledge and information.

Most important thing is Jiren can't even touch Fudo let alone beat him....... But still it's dragon balls tho where characters just scream and trash away the haxxes lol

@wot_m8: yeah definitely.

also would be surprised if the boxes somehow his other aspect.

@manimalman: He did say he left his power in them. Could be the creation and destruction aspect of him.

Jiren stomps for now.

@wot_m8: it'd make a lot of sense.

Jiren's hype alone shatters this logic. Belmod can't beat him despite being capable of erasing existences.

Still sticking to my original answer

Feats for fudo myoo?

According to the stats values, all of fudo Myo-o stats are (∞) ......lol

Doesn't change the fact it's debunked.

What the heck happened in samurai 8 that this is debatable!?

a universal+ character

I am not discussing the level of Fudo. I just ask why create Threads of characters that are speculative?

@ragegod: You debunked it ?

Yeah so i Don't care

So don't tag it's useless

@ragegod: ... please tell me that was a troll answer

In DB, Power > Hax. So how do you debate on them with characters from anime where Hax > Power

Jiren

Jiren legit blinks the fodder verse.

What is Jiren punching exactly?

Going with samurai 8 then

@ecoblitz: Wanked verse is wanked guy. This thread is your proof. This guy has no combat feats but is winning the poll lol

@hyoname: If you're not here to actually debate then vs forums are not for you. I have not seen you construct one argument of note since returning.

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Has Samurai 8 gotten better? I've tried reading it but couldn't get into it