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#1 Edited by Firedude17 (1476 posts) - - Show Bio

Who wins? Based on the feats shown by both?

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#2 Posted by neoman90 (139 posts) - - Show Bio

i am going for jiren actually. it was pretty much stated in episode 109 and 110, that jiren was the mortal no god of destruction can beat, so unless Gods of destructions can hakai mortals stronger than them, jiren should win.

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#3 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on this, I think we can safely say Jiren is above GoD tier:

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#4 Edited by Nefarious (35613 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren should lose. I want to see his full power though.

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#5 Posted by FreshFlintstone (1227 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren

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#6 Posted by LarcadeDragneel (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@neoman90 said:

i am going for jiren actually. it was pretty much stated in episode 109 and 110, that jiren was the mortal no god of destruction can beat, so unless Gods of destructions can hakai mortals stronger than them, jiren should win.

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#7 Posted by Marshall_Long (5633 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn Jiren is terrifying, tore SSB Kaioken to shreds. Prepare for the Jiren wank.

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#8 Posted by khazgore (17 posts) - - Show Bio

beerus is so hyped by the DB creators. he has been said to be far far above SSB goku kaioken x10, and toriyama said they had no plan of making goku surpass beerus however, that was a long time ago, and now, it was stated by whis that the legend of the mortal stronger than gods of destructions are indeed true. so i am quessing Jiren would beat beerus rather easy, he would probably beat champa and beerus at the same time unless they could destroy him somehow, cause there is no way they could beat him in a H2H fight.

it Would not suprise me if jiren is WHIS lvl in H2H fighting.

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#9 Posted by BillyBickle (413 posts) - - Show Bio

Money is on Beerus. Unless they weaken anime version of beerus.

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#10 Posted by BillyBickle (413 posts) - - Show Bio

@neoman90: it was stated that there was a mortal stronger than than his god of destruction not all of them.

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#11 Posted by deactivated-5a2b0053414c5 (8165 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus until further notice.

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#12 Posted by TheDeathstroke (2925 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus until further notice.

You didn't watch the new episode?

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#13 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus slaps him with a Hakai, no way Jiren is stronger than Beerus, the same guy who was winning against the other GoD all at once.

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#14 Posted by Godren (3285 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus in a difficult fight.

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#15 Posted by GXrevs06 (3830 posts) - - Show Bio

@neoman90 said:

i am going for jiren actually. it was pretty much stated in episode 109 and 110, that jiren was the mortal no god of destruction can beat, so unless Gods of destructions can hakai mortals stronger than them, jiren should win.

Whis' statement was vague. Not all gods of destruction are equal in strength. Jiren may surpass Belmoud, for example, bur could still be weaker than Beerus. That said, judging from Beerus' reaction to the fight, I think it's safe to say that Jiren is stronger

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#16 Edited by GXrevs06 (3830 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarkpaladin said:

Based on this, I think we can safely say Jiren is above GoD tier:

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@neoman90 said:

i am going for jiren actually. it was pretty much stated in episode 109 and 110, that jiren was the mortal no god of destruction can beat, so unless Gods of destructions can hakai mortals stronger than them, jiren should win.

Whis' statement was really vague, though. Not all gods of destruction are equal in strength. Jiren may surpass Belmoud, for example, but could still be weaker than Beerus. This is especially true if the latest manga chapter is anything to go by. That said, judging from Beerus' reaction to the fight, I think it's safe to say that Jiren is stronger

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#17 Posted by SmoothSanta (1779 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm that statement about a mortal being stronger than a God of destruction doesn't necessarily mean Jiren is ahead of Beerus. If we include the manga, for a time Beerus held his own against all of the Gods of destruction.

I say Beerus wins.

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#18 Edited by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: Whis' original statement--the quoted one--served as an indication that there may be a mortal in the Tournament of Power that even a GoD couldn't defeat. Since he pretty much confirmed this rumor to be true, I would consider it sufficient evidence at this point.

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#19 Posted by Slayedigneel (1894 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren the Grey.

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#20 Edited by Sebast_Allen (2727 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus. Jiren might be stronger than his God of Destruction, but Beerus is THE strongest God of Destruction.

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#21 Posted by GodEmperor123 (1058 posts) - - Show Bio

beerus for now. that could change if goku gets something explicitly above beerus during this arc

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#22 Posted by Guanzoo (116 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren wins

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#23 Posted by AnimeLegend68 (2309 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: I could lowball and say Beerus only used 20% against SSG Goku.

This means that SSB Kaioken x10 Goku is stronger than Beerus, multiply Gokus power by 5 and Beerus would need to use 100% to beat him.

Hell I could lowball even more and say Beerus only used 10% against SSG Goku

Multiple Gokus power by 10 and and Beerus would need to use 100% to beat SSG with kaioken x10, I haven't even counted the boost that SSB Gives him, it's safe to say that SSB KK x10 Goku is a little stronger than Beerus.

Jiren roflstomps Kaioken x20 SSB Goku, he should win here without too much difficulty

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#24 Posted by LarcadeDragneel (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239 said:

Beerus slaps him with a Hakai, no way Jiren is stronger than Beerus, the same guy who was winning against the other GoD all at once.

Do Manga feats even count anymore?

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#25 Posted by GXrevs06 (3830 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: I could lowball and say Beerus only used 20% against SSG Goku.

This means that SSB Kaioken x10 Goku is stronger than Beerus, multiply Gokus power by 5 and Beerus would need to use 100% to beat him.

Hell I could lowball even more and say Beerus only used 10% against SSG Goku

Multiple Gokus power by 10 and and Beerus would need to use 100% to beat SSG with kaioken x10, I haven't even counted the boost that SSB Gives him, it's safe to say that SSB KK x10 Goku is a little stronger than Beerus.

Jiren roflstomps Kaioken x20 SSB Goku, he should win here without too much difficulty

I would hardly call it stomp. I rewatched the fight almost immediately after the episode and noticed that Goku made him work for it after going KKx20. There were multiple instances where we see Jiren pressured and forced back.

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#26 Posted by Gaoron (7396 posts) - - Show Bio

The Grey stomps

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#27 Posted by HitTheAssasin (7330 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: yeah,no. When Goku charged at him in SSBKKX20 Jiren landed "countless"(stated in the official episode summary) blows before Goku could react and knocked him out of it with ease. That's the definition of a blitzstomp.

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#28 Posted by GXrevs06 (3830 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: yeah,no. When Goku charged at him in SSBKKX20 Jiren landed "countless"(stated in the official episode summary) blows before Goku could react and knocked him out of it with ease. That's the definition of a blitzstomp.

Explain the above gifs then? Why is Siren being pressed and push back? Why dodge/block Goku's attacks at all? Why does his look so concerned and threatened as Goku charges his his KK? Why would Goku's KK worry him?

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#29 Edited by HitTheAssasin (7330 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: he doesn't have a "worried" expression, that's just how he looks. Beaides, that's not really evidence anyway.

Then, as for the GIFS.

1) I don't see how this helps you. Goku punches, Jiren easily blocks and takes no damage. This proves what exactly?

2) Goku attacks Jiren in SSBKK, he dodges and easily sends him flying? Again, what does this prove?

It's confirmed that Jiren blitzed SSJBKKX20 Goku when he got serious. He's clearly far superior to Goku, stop reaching.

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#30 Posted by Aatroxxx (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren

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#31 Posted by Standardized (960 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus

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#32 Posted by TheDeathstar (3942 posts) - - Show Bio

Can go either way.

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#33 Posted by APEX_pretador (18643 posts) - - Show Bio

By feats, Jiren traded blows with Goku who easily outpaced Dyspo's attacks and tanked a spirit bomb bigger than the one used on Freeza.

By feats, Beerus almost destroyed the universe in his fights with Goku and Champa, fought off multiple gods of destruction at once, flew thousands of times FTL, easily saw both their movements, sneezed and blew up a sun, erased people and ghosts from existence, nullified a universe busting explosion etc all while massively holding back.

Beerus wins.

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#35 Posted by jashro44 (50894 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure jiren was suppressed when he fought Goku. Limit breaker Goku effortlessly treated dyspo and toppo as non factors and than jiren fought evenly with Goku in that state. Goku got some hits and than jiren complimented Goku and caught his punch which tells me jiren probably powered up past limit breaker.

Goku still couldn't scratch him prior to his new form which looked like a massive power up.

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#36 Posted by DeathHero61 (18391 posts) - - Show Bio

Am I the only one who doesn't want the Goku to surpass the GoDs?

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#37 Posted by APEX_pretador (18643 posts) - - Show Bio

Am I the only one who doesn't want the Goku to surpass the GoDs?

no, I don't want that either

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#38 Posted by HitTheAssasin (7330 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: and after that he one-shots SSBKK Goku. He was clearly holding back there and/or it was just for suspense. Either way, your "facial expression" arguments fall to pieces when you look at Jirens actual feats.

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#39 Edited by Blackice709 (1749 posts) - - Show Bio

lol of course the haters don't wanna see goku get stronger haha CAN'T WAIT TILL IT HAPPENS :D

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#40 Posted by slimj87d (15629 posts) - - Show Bio

But guys... Goku is only mountain level in durability remember? How can jiren be as powerful as a God? <SARCASM>

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#41 Posted by Slade-Prime (936 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren blinks and its gg.

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#42 Posted by KanyeCosby (6309 posts) - - Show Bio

Beerus by feats

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#43 Posted by Chronicplane (8050 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren wins, Since he was able to match Ultra Instinct Goku (Who has mastered the ability to fight without thought/thinking) proofs that Jiren can also do so. Beerus still hasn't learned this ability clearly and as such Jiren should be able to beat Beerus.

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#44 Posted by Beast_mode999 (2588 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren going based of Whis' statement which people will overlook regardless of what anyone else says

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#45 Posted by Beast_mode999 (2588 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06 said:
@hittheassasin said:

@gxrevs06: he doesn't have a "worried" expression, that's just how he looks.

Really?

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Should I bring up the scan of Jiren blinking ssbx20 Goku away or overpowering him in the beam struggle using only his eyes

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#46 Posted by Thoromdil (1721 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at Beerus wankers. Whis said SPECIFICALLY that Belmod is stronger then Beerus and that Jiren is stronger then Belmod.

So Jiren > Belmod > Beerus.

How the hell do you want to turn this thread into Beerus's favor I have no idea. Obviosuly Jiren wins, unless you wanna try hard with some bullshit what if logic. It's plain and simple. Jiren is above god of destruction level. Beerus even if he is at the top of god of destruction level, he is still not above it. So Jiren wins. Stop crying.

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#47 Posted by Royal_Warrior (5060 posts) - - Show Bio

@thoromdil: what are you talking about? belmod was stated to be inferior to beerus actually inferior to most GoDs that’s why he is known as the cunning GoDs

The statement from whis doesn’t mean there’s a mortal no god of destruction can beat, he simply says there’s a mortal who can defeat a god of Destruction

Beerus takes this until we have more concrete evidence

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#48 Posted by GXrevs06 (3830 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06 said:
@hittheassasin said:

@gxrevs06: he doesn't have a "worried" expression, that's just how he looks.

Really?

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Should I bring up the scan of Jiren blinking ssbx20 Goku away or overpowering him in the beam struggle using only his eyes

You can, but that does not make this scene magically disappear

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#49 Posted by Beast_mode999 (2588 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06 said:
@beast_mode999 said:
@gxrevs06 said:
@hittheassasin said:

@gxrevs06: he doesn't have a "worried" expression, that's just how he looks.

Really?

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Should I bring up the scan of Jiren blinking ssbx20 Goku away or overpowering him in the beam struggle using only his eyes

You can, but that does not make this scene magically disappear

Oh yea lol a very vague expression holds a candle to Jiren literally blinking Goku away.

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#50 Posted by rickyrck (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

@neoman90: it was stated that there was a mortal stronger than than his god of destruction not all of them.

this

beerus wrecks as he is the strongest GoD.