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#1 Edited by roriia (252 posts) - - Show Bio

fight takes place in Toriko world.

Both bloodlusted

Fight to death.

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#2 Posted by deactivated-5a5879220e4dd (348 posts) - - Show Bio

jiren's hype alone solos the verse.

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#3 Posted by TheDeathstar (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

If Jiren is the mortal Whis was talking about who is suppose to be stronger than even the 11th GoD and 7th GoD Beerus then he is easily Universe+ buster and MFTL.

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#4 Edited by roriia (252 posts) - - Show Bio

Acacia is MFTL to and can consume people out of existen this should be fair match up.

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#5 Edited by EmperorThanos- (15791 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren is still largely featless. Though by hype he should win considering he supposed to be even stronger than a God of Destruction

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#6 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio

Hes featless.

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#7 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's wait until he gets some feats. Logically, he should win, but there's literally nothing to work with besides hype at the moment.

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#8 Posted by ValorKnight (11675 posts) - - Show Bio

God I hope he isn't another Monaka

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#9 Posted by EmperorThanos- (15791 posts) - - Show Bio

God I hope he isn't another Monaka

Last episode already proved he isn't.

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#10 Posted by Wewlad80 (3411 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren obliterates him with a slap

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#11 Posted by ValorKnight (11675 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorthanos: I know, but this is Toriyama were talking about, so ya never know

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#12 Posted by deactivated-5a5879220e4dd (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorthanos: who do you think is the strongest character beerus can defeat?

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#13 Posted by EmperorThanos- (15791 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by deactivated-5a5879220e4dd (348 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by EmperorThanos- (15791 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by deactivated-5a5879220e4dd (348 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by deactivated-597fe3e7af56f (2560 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren is still largely featless. Though by hype he should win considering he supposed to be even stronger than a God of Destruction

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#18 Posted by deactivated-5a2b0053414c5 (8165 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren has no real feats. But, the hype surrounding him would imply he wins.

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#19 Posted by KingFrieza (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

By hype he one shots the verse, by feats he can move faster then base goku could see(goku was looking at him, then he seemly teleported behind goku).

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#20 Posted by Cerberus369616 (2174 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope Jiren get's BTFO by a Dark horse and this all a big ruse by Toei.

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#21 Posted by Guanzoo (116 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by jasonhitto (1341 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren wreck torikoverse and Goh verse at the same time

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#23 Posted by HitTheAssasin (7690 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren stomps

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#24 Edited by shirso (3724 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathmetal said:

@emperorthanos: in a fight

No I meant in what universe? Like In general? I would say Thanos

Just curious, isn't Beerus still basically a very fast brick with insane energy projection? Why can't Thanos protect himself with shields and then drop him with TP? Just seeking to know more about Beerus.

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#25 Posted by EmperorThanos- (15791 posts) - - Show Bio

@shirso: Beerus can completely erase people from existence. Plus his speed and strength are still above Thanos. Who barely ever uses tp in combat

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#26 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren stomps, he was too fast for Goku to perceive and one shotted Kale who tanked a SSJB Kamehameha like it was nothing Broly style.

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#27 Posted by shirso (3724 posts) - - Show Bio

@shirso: Beerus can completely erase people from existence.

Oh, didn't know this.

Plus his speed and strength are still above Thanos. Who barely ever uses tp in combat

Theoretically would Thanos be able to TP him?

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#28 Posted by ssj_god (16749 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren would stomp torikoverse ..

And this should be locked for mismatch

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#29 Edited by EmperorThanos- (15791 posts) - - Show Bio

@shirso: he could to him. But Beerus can simply blitz him before that happens

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#30 Posted by Slayedigneel (1919 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren looks in his direction, and he dies.

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#31 Edited by Toratorn (6343 posts) - - Show Bio

No need for such extremes, even freaking Bergamo alone is enough to solo the Torikoverse.

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#32 Edited by ad-arts (1952 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239 said:

Jiren stomps, he was too fast for Goku to perceive and one shotted Kale who tanked a SSJB Kamehameha like it was nothing Broly style.

Tanking Kamehama does not say much really, we do not know how strong that Kamehama was to begin with. What we do know is that Goku never goes full power from the start. We do know he gradually increases power to match people he fights, we do know it was stronger than it could be using SSJ2, that's all we know.

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#33 Edited by theonlytruth (1464 posts) - - Show Bio

Powerscaling vs feats

But if we go by hype jiren should stomp

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#34 Posted by Lexus (240 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiren easily

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#35 Posted by Slayedigneel (1919 posts) - - Show Bio

Real question, why hasn't this thread been locked?

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#36 Posted by ValorKnight (11675 posts) - - Show Bio

Real question, why hasn't this thread been locked?

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#37 Posted by King_Majestros (1929 posts) - - Show Bio

@slayedigneel said:

Real question, why hasn't this thread been locked?

Right. And to add to that... Jiren is featless.

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#38 Edited by NortonEk (326 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssj_god said:

Jiren would stomp torikoverse ..

And this should be locked for mismatch

+1
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#39 Posted by Slayedigneel (1919 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_majestros: Casual Jiren blasted away Kale in on casual attack, who is at least low SSB level, which is universal plus.

Happy?

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#40 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio
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#41 Posted by NortonEk (326 posts) - - Show Bio
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#42 Posted by King_Majestros (1929 posts) - - Show Bio

@superentity: Happy about what? Jiren is near featless. There's not enough to say he can contend with SSJB. Also, ABC logic doesn't work.

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#43 Posted by NortonEk (326 posts) - - Show Bio

@superentity: Happy about what? Jiren is near featless. There's not enough to say he can contend with SSJB. Also, ABC logic doesn't work.

ABC logic It's more flawed when it comes to comics.

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#44 Edited by MainJP (5777 posts) - - Show Bio

@slayedigneel: Goku isn't even close to being universal, let alone plus.

@nortonek said:
@superentity said:

Goku isnt universal.

why ?

It's been debunked several times. The only basis for Goku being "universal" is just his fight against Beerus, a shared feat and he's never shown anything close since.

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#45 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio
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#46 Posted by Slayedigneel (1919 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_majestros:

Toppo states that if he fought evenly with him in SSB, he stood no chance against Jiren.

Jiren KO'd Beserker Kale who walked through Goku's kamehameha, all the evidence we need to place him at SSB level. With a casual attack.

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#47 Posted by Slayedigneel (1919 posts) - - Show Bio

@mainjp: You do realise the power he used against Beerus was absorbed into his Base form. the same form that was contributing to the universe shaking, now Goku is hundreds of times stronger, he is easily Universal.

And that quote from Toshio doesn't really mean anything because i'm pretty sure it's part of his contract to not give a deficit answer.

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#48 Edited by MainJP (5777 posts) - - Show Bio
@slayedigneel said:

You do realise the power he used against Beerus was absorbed into his Base form. the same form that was contributing to the universe shaking,

A shared feat that isn't even consistent with what Goku shows afterwards; it's more consistent with Beerus. When Goku fights Freeza, Hit and Black none of their attacks ever threatened to destroy the universe. Show me Goku accomplishing a feat that comes even close to dangering the universe on his own.

Also, Merged Zamasu was confirmed to be a galaxy buster and SSJB Goku is clearly on his level.

now Goku is hundreds of times stronger.

That sounds like a stretch.

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#49 Edited by Slayedigneel (1919 posts) - - Show Bio

@mainjp: Nah, What took SSB Goku to to go KKX10, to Break Hits time skip, Goku did after zamasu arc in SSB normal. And SSB is a fair bit stronger than his Base=SSG.

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#50 Edited by MainJP (5777 posts) - - Show Bio

@slayedigneel said:

Nah, What took SSB Goku to to go KKX10, to Break Hits time skip, Goku did after zamasu arc in SSB normal.

And that proves he's universal because...?

And SSB is a fair bit stronger than his Base=SSG.

His base does not equal SSJG.

Way back in Episode 12, Beerus used the term "Kami no Chikara" to describe SSJG Goku's power after he was finally able to power up to the extent that he could match and cancel out Beerus' blows with equal force and direction. Roh Kaioshin uses this exact same term in Episode 81 to describe Goku's power after he transforms into SSJB .

We can safely conclude that Goku doesn't reach that specific level of strength unless he's going Blue now. Retcon.