fight takes place in Toriko world.
Fight to death.
Just curious, isn't Beerus still basically a very fast brick with insane energy projection? Why can't Thanos protect himself with shields and then drop him with TP? Just seeking to know more about Beerus.
Jiren stomps, he was too fast for Goku to perceive and one shotted Kale who tanked a SSJB Kamehameha like it was nothing Broly style.
Tanking Kamehama does not say much really, we do not know how strong that Kamehama was to begin with. What we do know is that Goku never goes full power from the start. We do know he gradually increases power to match people he fights, we do know it was stronger than it could be using SSJ2, that's all we know.
@slayedigneel: Goku isn't even close to being universal, let alone plus.
It's been debunked several times. The only basis for Goku being "universal" is just his fight against Beerus, a shared feat and he's never shown anything close since.
He ain't universal.
@mainjp: You do realise the power he used against Beerus was absorbed into his Base form. the same form that was contributing to the universe shaking, now Goku is hundreds of times stronger, he is easily Universal.
And that quote from Toshio doesn't really mean anything because i'm pretty sure it's part of his contract to not give a deficit answer.
You do realise the power he used against Beerus was absorbed into his Base form. the same form that was contributing to the universe shaking,
A shared feat that isn't even consistent with what Goku shows afterwards; it's more consistent with Beerus. When Goku fights Freeza, Hit and Black none of their attacks ever threatened to destroy the universe. Show me Goku accomplishing a feat that comes even close to dangering the universe on his own.
Also, Merged Zamasu was confirmed to be a galaxy buster and SSJB Goku is clearly on his level.
now Goku is hundreds of times stronger.
That sounds like a stretch.
Nah, What took SSB Goku to to go KKX10, to Break Hits time skip, Goku did after zamasu arc in SSB normal.
And that proves he's universal because...?
And SSB is a fair bit stronger than his Base=SSG.
His base does not equal SSJG.
Way back in Episode 12, Beerus used the term "Kami no Chikara" to describe SSJG Goku's power after he was finally able to power up to the extent that he could match and cancel out Beerus' blows with equal force and direction. Roh Kaioshin uses this exact same term in Episode 81 to describe Goku's power after he transforms into SSJB .
We can safely conclude that Goku doesn't reach that specific level of strength unless he's going Blue now. Retcon.
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