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They both have All feats from Manga and Anime

Takes place at the fourth great ninja war battle field Random Encounter

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Sage Mode can be used if have to

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Kisame low-mid diff

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kisame, i don’t think jiraiya can put him down for good....

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Does Kisame have Samehada here?

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Probably Kisame. Sage Mode takes some time to activate and I dont think Kisame is willing to risk it.

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Both are about par honestly. I'd honestly give the edge to Jiraiya.

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The question is can Samehada successfully steal sage chakra?

Until that's answered I dont know.

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Kisame stomps. Jiraiya has no way to fight him.

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Jiraiya, Kisame has no answer for his genjutsu.

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Kisame, Jiraiya would have to go into SM to use his genjutsu......something he won't get the chance to do.

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#18  Edited By Mee09

Itachi already stated that Kisame cannot defeat Jiraiya. Then Jiraiya proved it during his fight agianst Pain. Kisame would not have been that much of a threat to Pain without knowledge. Jiraiya arguably could have defeated Pain with full knowledge.

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Kisame, just superior feats in most aspects. I don't believe Jiraiya will have the luxury to retreat and activate Sage Mode. Even if he did, it does not ensure victory.

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Kisame still fodderizes

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Kisame stomps. Statements dont mean anything

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Kisame stomps.

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#29  Edited By SwordofDamocles

Jiraiya, I think he have a good arsenal to counter Kisame.

How Kisame get out of this if he is caught ? (which likely would happen ?) He don't showed anything who can break that Jutsu like Itachi did :https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Summoning:_Toad_Mouth_Bind

That being said Kisame could of course also take the win, depending on how the fight goes on. But Jiraiya with superior skills-versatility should take this more times than not.

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Jiraiya definitely wins . Can someone actually post a feat that kisame has that jiraiya can't deal with

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Jiraiya definitely wins . Can someone actually post a feat that kisame has that jiraiya can't deal with

In fact I think Kisame have no decisive way to counter Toad Mouth Bind . What can he do if Jiraiya use that ? Eat the Charkra while getting smashed and crushed and suffocated?

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Kisame stomps, Gai had to go all the way to the 6th Gate just to defeat a 30% clone of Kisame(who was only there for distracting them too)

And the Toad Mouth can either get its chakra absorbed thus dispelling it or kisame makes a mini ocean in it.

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Kisame stomps, Gai had to go all the way to the 6th Gate just to defeat a 30% clone of Kisame(who was only there for distracting them too)

And the Toad Mouth can either get its chakra absorbed thus dispelling it or kisame makes a mini ocean in it.

Kisame says he cant beat jiraiya himself how do you figure he stomps? Also guy stomped that 30% clone then later stomped the real kisame in 7th gate. Also the mountain toad breathes fire which would counter any water justu attempt.

Onca again someone says kisame stomps but can't explain how he does it.

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@ultimatesage said:

Kisame stomps, Gai had to go all the way to the 6th Gate just to defeat a 30% clone of Kisame(who was only there for distracting them too)

And the Toad Mouth can either get its chakra absorbed thus dispelling it or kisame makes a mini ocean in it.

Kisame says he cant beat jiraiya himself how do you figure he stomps?

Feats>>Statements, and he doesn't say he can't beat Jiraiya...he says he not sure.

Also guy stomped that 30% clone then later stomped the real kisame in 7th gate.

The 30% kisame was just for distraction, he still fodderizes team guy until gai went 6th....and 7th Gate Gai had to use Hirudora just to put down Kisame(Gai wouldn't even need Hirudora to own Jiraiya)

Also the mountain toad breathes fire which would counter any water justu attempt.

Bro water>>fire, and that water can also absorb the fire making it stronger....it's not countering anything lol

Onca again someone says kisame stomps but can't explain how he does it.

Kisame stomps and here's why:

  • He's strong than Jiraiya
  • He's faster than Jiraiya
  • He's more durable than Jiraiya
  • He has more chakra and stamina than Jiraiya
  • He's sword nullifies all of Jiraiya's ninjutsu
  • He can fuse with Samehada faster than Jiraiya can go SM

So, how exactly does Jiraiya "definitely" win?(without you using that single statement from part 1)

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@son_of_mori-jin said:
@ultimatesage said:

Kisame stomps, Gai had to go all the way to the 6th Gate just to defeat a 30% clone of Kisame(who was only there for distracting them too)

And the Toad Mouth can either get its chakra absorbed thus dispelling it or kisame makes a mini ocean in it.

Kisame says he cant beat jiraiya himself how do you figure he stomps?

Feats>>Statements, and he doesn't say he can't beat Jiraiya...he says he not sure.

Also guy stomped that 30% clone then later stomped the real kisame in 7th gate.

The 30% kisame was just for distraction, he still fodderizes team guy until gai went 6th....and 7th Gate Gai had to use Hirudora just to put down Kisame(Gai wouldn't even need Hirudora to own Jiraiya)

Also the mountain toad breathes fire which would counter any water justu attempt.

Bro water>>fire, and that water can also absorb the fire making it stronger....it's not countering anything lol

Onca again someone says kisame stomps but can't explain how he does it.

Kisame stomps and here's why:

  • He's strong than Jiraiya
  • He's faster than Jiraiya
  • He's more durable than Jiraiya
  • He has more chakra and stamina than Jiraiya
  • He's sword nullifies all of Jiraiya's ninjutsu
  • He can fuse with Samehada faster than Jiraiya can go SM

So, how exactly does Jiraiya "definitely" win?(without you using that single statement from part 1)

Water>>fire how? You just said the dumbest thing ive read on vine in a while . Fire would literally cancel out the water justu. Also only thing stated to absorb jitsu was the super mega shark bomb jutsu . No other one is said to absorb jutsu and it has no feats so it's irrelevant.

Kisame has no feats to just say he's stronger.

He has no speed feats to say he's faster than jiraiya

He has good durability feats but so does jiraiya

That's the only definite advantage so far

Untrue it's been seen that trying to absorb fire hurts samehada.

That's true but he has to use the water dome to fuse and jiraiya could simply use swamp of the underworld to counter that or use a combination jutsu with Gamabunta who could easily avoid the dome and evaporate it when the use toad oil bomb

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Water>>fire how? You just said the dumbest thing ive read on vine in a while . Fire would literally cancel out the water justu.

Wow, simply amazing lmao. The first thing were taught on about the 5 basic nature elements is that water>fire>wind>lightning>earth>water.....you're actually trying too to make Jiraiya win now lol

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If what I had said was dumb(lol), what you just said happened when you entered a brainless moment in your life.

Also only thing stated to absorb jitsu was the super mega shark bomb jutsu . No other one is said to absorb jutsu and it has no feats so it's irrelevant.

Wow, wasn't talking about that jutsu...it was this one: Water Style: Water Prision Shark Dance Jutsu, and even then how is the Mega Shark Bomb feat??lol

Kisame has no feats to just say he's stronger.

Right, cuz you didn't read the manga lol......my dude causally takes down a summoner sized raccoon while in base, easily breaks out of Yamato's wooden cage even when weaken, and he can in base easily handle all of Killer Bee's assault on him(Killer Bee trains and one shots big ass animals for a living)

You can go ahead and post something for Jiraiya that compares lol

He has no speed feats to say he's faster than jiraiya

It's like you haven't read naruto. 30% Kisame gets out of range of a explosion, base Kisame reacts to and stops a blitz from Bee and friends, moves out of the way of a lightning enhanced pencil a few inches from his face, and he can keep up with the likes of Gai and V1 Killer Bee without getting blitzed

You can go ahead and post something for Jiraiya that compares lol

He has good durability feats but so does jiraiya

Oh 0.0, so you wouldn't mind posting those durability feats for Jiraiya no?

That's the only definite advantage so far

Sorry to tell but Jiraiya got no advantages at all

Untrue it's been seen that trying to absorb fire hurts samehada.

Scans?? No where that I know of has this been said.

That's true but he has to use the water dome to fuse and jiraiya could simply use swamp of the underworld to counter that

I don't know whether or not it's stated that he needs the dome to fuse with Samehada, so I'll it as it is....but the swamp of the underworld?lol, that's like a kiddie mud puddle compared to a lake, it's not countering anything.

or use a combination jutsu with Gamabunta who could easily avoid the dome and evaporate it when the use toad oil bomb

You bring solutions when you don't even know the problem much? The dome was formed fast enough to trap the whole Gyuki inside of it and you think Gamabunta is "easily" going to escape it? And you say he'll "evaporate" it when the dome absorbs chakra? Let alone the fact that Gama has no feats of evaporating a mountain+ sized amount of water?

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#37  Edited By InfinteGod12

@ultimatesage: The only durability feat I can back up for Jiraiya is that he survive a lethal impact from 4 tails Naruto during his traveling years. lol.

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Could go either way imo. Kisame has done more impressive things, but Jiraiya seems to be hyped more in universe and lore for what that’s worth.

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Kisame stomps lol. Only evidence for Jiraiya winning is a non battle statement from part 1, gtfo lol.

Kisame casually stomped Killer B, Kisame can drown Jiraiya and steal his chakra, if he transforms even being by him will get his chakra drained.

Kisame only lost to a 7th gate guys ultimate attack (stronger than Jiraiya) and that’s when he was weakened and thought it was a chakra bomb and ran into it.

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@ultimatesage: The only durability feat I can back up for Jiraiya is that he survive a lethal impact from 4 tails Naruto during his traveling years. lol.

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That's Jiraiya after fighting KN4 Naruto, although he didn't/wasn't trying to fight back......I wouldn't say it's that good of a feat.

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#41  Edited By Nausea

Kisame is jinchuuriki counter, Bee was forbidden from turning into Hachibi by his brother, Killer at the beginning of the fight was defending someone else.

Killer Bee feats>>>>>Kisame feats

Not exaggerate Kisame is strong, more not as overpower as many claim!

Kisame wins from Jiraya

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Jiraiya Sage mode can speed blitz kisame? Maybe jiraiya has speed enought to kill kisame.

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@infintegod12: my bad lmao, I read your post but was thinking of something else

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Kisame has better feats and Jiraiya is not making it to sage mode if we are being realistic. He only made it against pain because he was fighting the summoning path alone.

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Can he just start fight summon gamabunta

Go inside him instantly to buy time go into sage mode ma and Pa and use the singing thing swallow kisame then do rasengen til he is dead I doubt kisame is faster than gamabunta in water or land and if it's regular starting distance I think it shouldn't be a problem to summon gamabunta

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#49  Edited By AlphaQ

Jiraiya can probably get Kisame to start draining his chakra, and then just do what Naruto did against Pain and turn him to stone by intentionally drawing in too much natural energy. He can avoid the drowning by hiding in a toad. From inside the toad he can reverse summon himself to that toad mountain place and have his summons spread out in opposite directions so that they can't all be enveloped in the water sphere, when one of them gets clear they can summon him back to the battlefield.

The only problem is that Kisame can win if he keeps his distance and spams offensive/chakra eating sharks.

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#50  Edited By Nausea

Kisame had problems to win from Roshi due to Yoton, Jiraiya SM can be a great challenge for the Akatsuki, Kisame could end up turning stone as already stated.

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The problem is that Jiraiya starts in Base, Kisame can use Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shoha at the beginning of the battle gaining advantage ... Daikodan + Dai Bakusui is lethal!