Garou or Jin. Gai has no notable skill feats to be able to compete here, while Garou and Jin have plenty. Garou, however, has better adaptation and regeneration, which mighy allow him to outlast or surpass Jin.
Overall, I'd say Garou wins 6 or 7 times out of 10.
Garou or Jin. Gai has no notable skill feats to be able to compete here, while Garou and Jin have plenty. Garou, however, has better adaptation and regeneration, which mighy allow him to outlast or surpass Jin.
Overall, I'd say Garou wins 6 or 7 times out of 10.
Don't know about gin, but Garou > guy, Garou litteraly combined 14-18 martial art styles into 1 and has actually fought against other martial art users
I've thought about this before. I think Jin has way better technical skill feats than Garou. Precog and adaptation would have been a major problem, but recently Jin beat Dean who can see seconds into the future. Plus he could probably just copy Garou's fighting style to circumvent that.
I've thought about this before. I think Jin has way better technical skill feats than Garou. Precog and adaptation would have been a major problem, but recently Jin beat Dean who can see seconds into the future. Plus he could probably just copy Garou's fighting style to circumvent that.
He beat Dan only because of massively greater stats, skill and experience. The difference between him and Gai is nowhere near as big as the difference between him and Dan.
Not to mention, Gai's precog allowed him to predict Lee's 500th move, just sayin.
@streak619: I was talking about Garou. Gai is massively out of his weight class.
He beat Dean mostly due to skill and experience. And Dean has authentic future sight, so that definitely factors here. Garou's precog won't help him because of that and his adaptation would violate stats being equal, which I assume shouldn't be allowed seeing as limit removers aren't. Then again, it depends on what level their stats are equalized to.
@streak619: I was talking about Garou. Gai is massively out of his weight class.
He beat Dean mostly due to skill and experience. And Dean has authentic future sight, so that definitely factors here. Garou's precog won't help him because of that and his adaptation would violate stats being equal, which I assume shouldn't be allowed seeing as limit removers aren't. Then again, it depends on what level their stats are equalized to.
Again, the difference between all three aren't anywhere near as great as between Jin and Dan.
@streak619: I don't get what you're trying to say.
Jin won against Dan because of the huge experience and skill gap. That was how he overcame Dan's precog.
Both Garou and Gai have movement predictive precog. However the gap between all of their skill is nowhere near as large as the gap in skill between Jin and Dan.
- Therefore, Jin can counter Garou and Guy's precog.
This line of logic doesn't seem particularly hard to understand. The "gap" between other facets of their skill have virtually nothing to do with this, and Jin is superior in all of them regardless.
@streak619: Since Garou got regen power how we can compare combat skill ? If it is then Gai is the superior.. If we're gonna look up to the survivor of the fight then it could be Jin or Garou..
Jin Mori or Garou take this with ease, Gai has no place here he has no noticeble skill or technique that puts him anywhere close, he is a normal guy with amazing resolution and commitment, not a genius in martial arts or anything having to do with fighting, this is what makes him and lee special. hard to believe but gai is not a genius and against genius level fighters like Garou or Jin he has no place
Guy is a master martial artist, one of the best H2H fighters in Naruto's history. He's quite skilled, enough to predict his opponents movements just by watching their feet.
That said, Jin is a monster and should take this after some back and forth between him and Garou.
@thewatcherking: reading just the first couple of chapters of GoH will show you just how skilled he is. Tbh I’m not yet caught up with it( I’m like 10 chapters away) but jin’s Skill is simply magnificent he’s a total beast skill wise. The author spent a lot of time showcasing that.
There is nothing I have seen in naruto that holds a candle to Jin skill wise
This is a post written by me that should give you an idea.
Skill
Mori is a martial artist, and the art he practices is known as Renewal Taekwondo (I'll either call it re-taekwondo or RT for short). It was created by his Grandpa Tae Jin-Jin in modern day South Korea. It's based of Northern ITF Taekwondo, and emphasizes speed and power with straightforward kicks; as opposed to it's predecessor (ITF being obsessed with the flamingo stance). I'll run over all of his main techniques in renewal.
Renewal Taekwondo
3rd Stance Hwechook- This is Mori's signature and trademark technique. 3rd Stance Hwechook is a kick that's executed three times in a row; a consecutive attack that gathers centrifugal force on a focal point and delivers all the weight to his opponents head. Jin first throws a kick to one side of his opponents head, then turns around and kicks the other side, and finally finishes by spinning to back to deliver a kick to the rear of his opponents brain, shaking them in three different ways. The force of being knocked one way and the collision of being knocked the other increases the damage of a single kick by two or three times normal. If the opponent flinches or tries to move back the damage is increased.
Here are some examples of Jin using it in combat:
(againts Man-Duk)
(Against Han)
(Against the Prince)
(Mori Hui against the King)
Gaurd-Breaker (aka Homi Geolyi or Hoe Hook)
As a name implies, it is a technique where the user slides there leg in between the opponents gaurd and yanks down, breaking the defense and leaving them open for a second attack. It is almost always used in conjunction with Third Stance Hwechook.
Examples of it being used are mainly with 3rd stance. The stand out examples are with Han, the Prince and the King.
Northen IF Taekwondo has their own variation used by Sujin (Jin also used it against her a few pages earlier):
Satan even got the hang of it:
Hoe Grab and Dragon Catcher- The user feints a reverse kick and instead lock one of their legs around the back of the opponents neck and spins them. Dragon Catcher is a stronger variation that picks up the opponent and drops them into the ground. Hoe grab can be used as a combination with Spinning top kick or a Hwechook.
Dragon Catcher
Hoe Grab + Dragon Catcher
Uses extreme bottom Hwechook and catching dragon against sujin (translations are different but it's the same technique)
Spinning Top Kick - Also used in conjuction with Guard breaker. With his back turned toward his opponent, jin spins around 180 degrees and delivers a high kick to their face, while simultaneously kicking their leg
Dragon Sign Hwechook and Jin Hwechook- A strong linear kick that relieves a massive amount of force. There are two versions that are all closely related.
Jin Hwechook-
Extreme Bottom Hwechook- The user ducks an upper body attack and slides to the ground, spinning with a back kick to the opponents leg
Ground Drawer- A kick that rips through the ground while spinnig. The user then slashes upward and disturbs airflow in that area
Baekdu- A technique where the user flies towards the opponent and attacks with a piercing knee strike. The original ITF version was used to induce an opponents guard and grab the back of their head, unleashing a flurry of knee strikes
Renewal Scissors- A flying scissor kick aimed at the opponents head
Axe- The user launches themselves in the air, completing a front-flip before swinging their leg downward for an Axe kick. It can be used in conjunction with the scissor kick
Jin Mori Original: Ice kick- A technique created by Jin after observing the behavior of wind turbulence during his match with Ilpyo. It is created by absorbing both kicks power and was capable of nullfying Ilpyo's fire chook.
Rising back kick- An upward kick that extends through the opponents jaw. The user completes it after spinning and shifts their weight, taking advantage of the force
Reverse sweeping kick- After spinning in a wide arc, the user kicks the opponent in a lopsided fashion. It's similar to the rising back kick, and Hui used it as a counter to the kings reverse gravity, after he attempted the extreme bottom (or lowest round kick) hwechook
Renewal Arang- An elbow strike that sends a shockwave through an opponent
Roundhouse Kick- A roundhouse kick is a roundhouse kick lol. Just stronger cuz Jin is doing it :P
Recoilless kick- A stronger variation of the roundhouse kick that attacks the sky and ground at the same time. First used against Bishop R
Mori Hui originals- Mori Hui is jin's clone. All things considered, his feats and skills should transfer
Complete gift set-
Kicking Imoogi-
There are a crap ton of techniques I missed, but i didn't wanna scan bomb. Just know that's only about half of the actual techniques he's shown on panel for RT
Nabong Needle Ryu (acupuncture)
A type of martial arts that makes use of acupunture skills to attack it's opponent; mainly using fingers like needles to pierce vital pressure points of the body. Jin learned it after studying a textbook and memorizing a complete and detailed dissection of the human body. It was likely created by Na Bong-Chim, and can be used to heal, attack or revive oneself
Acupuncture Skill- By tapping various pressure points he can stop bleeding, heal wounds, and reduce injuries.
And again with Sujin-
Blood Sealing Needle- A technique where Mori taps pressure points on his opponents body and seals their blood flow, causing blood clots which result in internal damage in excess. Since the blood accumulates and clogs in that region it likely causes some damage to organs too
This is a better example-
Blood Vessel Bongchim- Jin also has the ability to paralyse or temporarily immobilize his opponents by poking certain pressure points. When he used it on 666: Satan he was unable to move, frozen in place while Jin beat him up
He also used that technique on Sujin
No pain- By hitting a pressure point in the heart, Jin can turn off pain receptors. Without any feeling of pain, he can fight without hindrance and gains a boost in speed and power
Limiter Removal - By tapping a pressure point on his brain, Jin can remove the natural restrictions and limits placed on his body, allowing him to reap a massive boost in speed and strength. He can multiply his power up to 250,000x his base stats.
Technique Mimicry
Jin can copy any physical technique or martial art he sees. So stuff like Fork, Knife, Kugi Punch, (and maybe Enbu) could get copied.
Full Contact Karate
Kyokushin Karate is a martial arts copied from Han Dae-Wi
1st Stance: Basaltic Fist- The user interrupts the opponents defense with a strong explosive punch
Basaltic Uppercut- Similar to the basaltic fist but aimed towards the air, blasting the opponent upwards
Kick of the Red Phoenix- This technique send a shockwave into the ground with a kick
Dance of the White Tiger- A barrage of punches and kicks used to add up to the Blue Dragon wave
Here are scans explaining all of them-
Wolfgang Swordsmanship (moonlight sword style)- A swordsmanship fighting style copied from Yu Mi-Ra
Palm Strike (tong bei quan) - The user opens their palm and extends their hand, sending a wave of chi through their opponent
Barehand Slice - Turns the hand into a bladed weapon capable of easily cutting through flesh
Basic vertical slash- Mori uses Yeoui in place of sword for this technique, which, as the name implis, is a basic vertical slash
Mori Jin Originals
Jin Hwechook and Kick of the Blue Dragon fall under this category, but I'll go in depth with it later in the opener. For now I'll try to keep the skill section relatively short
And the following is a post written by @sy8000 that is also very good.
Pumba Verses
Pumba Verses are a set of moves used for staff fighting which Hui uses when wielding Yeoui. For some explanation it's shown one factor of it is to make use of all the users muscles:
Hui has shown knowledge of Pumba Verse 19: Dog Seller, a move which involves creating cyclone force by spinning the staff in one's hand which he uses effectively here:
To demonstrate the physics bending absurdity this style can achieve Hallyang Seo (Hui's teacher) actually makes his staff bend around and smack Hui in the back of the head. Nothing suggests the staff had special capabilities or that this was achieved by anything other than god tier skill. Again not trying to scale Hui off him but show what level GoH martial arts can attain (although Hallyang has admitted he is incapable of beating Hui).
I'll finish this off my post by showing the Accolades for Renewal Taekwondo by comparing it to ITF's accomplishments:
Re-Taekwondo was developed as an answer for Itf Taekwondo. Itf Taekwondo itself is an incredibly refined martial art which draws from Kung Fu and numerous other techniques picked out for their various strengths to achieve perfection. A skilled user can defeat 50 martial artists without any damage or difficulty.
Re-Taekwondo is developed successfully as a counter and superior style to Itf.
Mori (the original, before regaining memories and god powers) lived up to this by quite soundly defeating an Itf Taekwondo user who displayed the strength to cause large and powerful shockwaves that filled the ring and sliced outwards toward the arena (remember that neither Jin nor his opponent are superhuman in-universe and this is all a tier of stats achieved by skill).
These should be decently informative, as this is only the tip of the iceberg. Jin as many, many more showings than the ones posted here, since GoH is still airing and he's getting more feats.
since their stats are equalized, Jin and Garou will just keep adapting to each others moves . And at some point of the fight, Gai will just fall off cause his martial skills all depended on his hard work, not raw talent.
Meaning fighting 2 opponents with godly talent , who can adapt and perfectly copy a move after seeing it once ,will turn very badly for Gai.
As for the other two, it pretty much comes down to who has better stamina
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