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#51 Posted by vance_astro (90095 posts) - - Show Bio
Nitric said:
"how is it PIS when he does it so consistently? That's the level he's at, right alongside Thena, Namor, (Not Thor, I'll give you that, that was bad writing)...

And, recently, Daredevil did take on the Wrecking Crew and the Enforcers at the same time. : )"
Jim Hammond is a really old superhero.Around the time he was created anyone could beat anyone.Namor beat Thor,Ghost Rider beat the Avengers,The Vision beat the Avengers,Iron Man beat Hulk...and so on and so forth.
Daredevil took on the Wrecking Crew & Enforcers at the same time and got buried by the Wrecker.
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#52 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, I was just trying to add to both sides.

Daredevil did sufficiently well against those two pretty powerful groups.
Iron Fist punched a train with Hiroshima level explosives on it - And won.
Black Tarantula... HAS A HEALING FACTOR AND SUPER STRENGTH!!! Come on. lol


But... This is alot closer of a fight than each side is making it sound.

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#53 Edited by vance_astro (90095 posts) - - Show Bio
Nitric said:
"Yeah, I was just trying to add to both sides.

Daredevil did sufficiently well against those two pretty powerful groups.
Iron Fist punched a train with Hiroshima level explosives on it - And won.
Black Tarantula... HAS A HEALING FACTOR AND SUPER STRENGTH!!! Come on. lol


But... This is alot closer of a fight than each side is making it sound."
I think it could go either way..depending on who does what to start the fight.More than likely I would lean towards DD's team because I have seen Hammond and Johnny both easily defeated by weaker teams and single characters...easily.
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#54 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio

And I'm a Iron Fist fanboy, just so you know.

But I agree that it could go both ways. If Jim completely unleashed, and did all he could early on, I think he would overwhelm this less powerful team.

But if he did not, and just went out casually fighting, the superior fighting skills, strategy, and raw numbers of the team should take him. Not to mention, Daredevil is a fighting genius, Iron Fist is almost shown to use DBZ type skills nowadays, and the Black Tarantula has super strength, and a healing factor (I love saying that. lol)


But. Jim could win. I think it goes to him 6/10 times.

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#55 Posted by vance_astro (90095 posts) - - Show Bio
Nitric said:
"And I'm a Iron Fist fanboy, just so you know.

But I agree that it could go both ways. If Jim completely unleashed, and did all he could early on, I think he would overwhelm this less powerful team.

But if he did not, and just went out casually fighting, the superior fighting skills, strategy, and raw numbers of the team should take him. Not to mention, Daredevil is a fighting genius, Iron Fist is almost shown to use DBZ type skills nowadays, and the Black Tarantula has super strength, and a healing factor (I love saying that. lol)


But. Jim could win. I think it goes to him 6/10 times."
I'll agree with this.
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#56 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio

Yayyyy!!!

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#57 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio

Jim wins 10/10.

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#58 Posted by vance_astro (90095 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"Jim wins 10/10."

uh uh.
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#59 Edited by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"Jim wins 10/10."
May I ask why you think this is such a decisive victory for him?
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#60 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
Nitric said:
"Zoom said:
"Jim wins 10/10."
May I ask why you think this is such a decisive victory for him?"

Because he's far and away more powerful than anybody on the other team.
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#61 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio
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Because he's far and away more powerful than anybody on the other team."

True, singly, he is far more powerful than anyone on the other team, but that's just it - It's a team.

You don't think they could do anything to him?
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#62 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
Nitric said:
"True, singly, he is far more powerful than anyone on the other team, but that's just it - It's a team.

You don't think they could do anything to him?"

Oh sure.  If he stood still and didn't shoot at them.
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#63 Posted by The_Scourge (5345 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody would be able to touch Jim Hammond

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#64 Posted by vance_astro (90095 posts) - - Show Bio
Fresh Prince said:
"Nobody would be able to touch Jim Hammond"
You don't have to touch someone to beat them.
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#65 Posted by Nighthunter (29641 posts) - - Show Bio

Could the daredevil team even touch Jim without being hurt?

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#66 Posted by vance_astro (90095 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"Could the daredevil team even touch Jim without being hurt?"
No...and that's why they won't touch him.
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#67 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio
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"Could the daredevil team even touch Jim without being hurt?"
I think Iron Fist could definitely hit him with some of his new powers.

And I think Black Tarantula could physically hit him... then heal. Dunno how useful it would be, but hey.
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#68 Posted by vance_astro (90095 posts) - - Show Bio
Nitric said:
"Nighthunter said:
"Could the daredevil team even touch Jim without being hurt?"
I think Iron Fist could definitely hit him with some of his new powers.

And I think Black Tarantula could physically hit him... then heal. Dunno how useful it would be, but hey."
Black Tarantula would get his hand burned right off..he's not that durable.
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#69 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Wolverine held onto a fully flamed Toro, and although Toro's not as powerful as Torch, and I dunno the difference in Black Tarantula and Wolverine's healing factors, but... It might work?

Well "Work" isn't quite the right word. It migh be possible.

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#70 Posted by vance_astro (90095 posts) - - Show Bio
Nitric said:
"Well, Wolverine held onto a fully flamed Toro, and although Toro's not as powerful as Torch, and I dunno the difference in Black Tarantula and Wolverine's healing factors, but... It might work?

Well "Work" isn't quite the right word. It migh be possible."
Wolverine's healing factor is way beyond Black Tarantula's.
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#71 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio

Figured.

Well Vance, by continuously proving me wrong, your actually making me think that my 6/10 towards Hammond should be a little higher...

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#72 Posted by vance_astro (90095 posts) - - Show Bio
Nitric said:
"Figured.

Well Vance, by continuously proving me wrong, your actually making me think that my 6/10 towards Hammond should be a little higher..."
Well I'm not going to make up stuff to win a debate.There are several scenarios that can be made as to where Daredevil & his team win.
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#73 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio

Like?

I really only see them winning if Danny can pull off some super-spectacular chi attack, if Black Tarantula can't even tough Torch.

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#74 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Well I'm not going to make up stuff to win a debate."

Come on now Vance.  We both know that isn't true. X-D
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#75 Posted by The Banned (25 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Well I'm not going to make up stuff to win a debate."

Come on now Vance.  We both know that isn't true. X-D"
SONNOVA!
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#76 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say the team can take it. Iron Fist survived way worse than the torch, Daredevil can easily avois everyone of his attacks, and I know nothing about the Tarantula, so there :P

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#77 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio
Ferro Vida said:
"I'd say the team can take it. Iron Fist survived way worse than the torch, Daredevil can easily avois everyone of his attacks, and I know nothing about the Tarantula, so there :P"
See, I can agree with this logic. I still don't think it'll be quick though. This is a close battle through and through.

I still say Jim wins 6/10 though
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#78 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
Ferro Vida said:
"I'd say the team can take it. Iron Fist survived way worse than the torch, Daredevil can easily avois everyone of his attacks, and I know nothing about the Tarantula, so there :P"

See, I disagree with this logic.

Surviving and beating are two different things.  Daredevil can dodge all day but it doesn't matter if he can't hit Jim.
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#79 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"Ferro Vida said:
"I'd say the team can take it. Iron Fist survived way worse than the torch, Daredevil can easily avois everyone of his attacks, and I know nothing about the Tarantula, so there :P"

See, I disagree with this logic.

Surviving and beating are two different things.  Daredevil can dodge all day but it doesn't matter if he can't hit Jim."

Ok, by surviving, I believe he is referring to the "I'm gonna punch a train" incident, which he actually technically did "beat"
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#80 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio

A train?  He thinks a train is more powerful than the Human Torch?

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#81 Posted by Nitric (871 posts) - - Show Bio

A super train packed with enough explosives to destroy an entire small country... Hmmm... Let's see

Hiroshima x 10... or the Human Torch?

Huh...

*Jeopardy music starts playing*

I think that the Iron Fist is the strongest player on this team, and really the only one who's going to do much damage, but I agree, as I've said at least twice now, Jim Hammond wins this fight in most cases, but definitely not all.

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#82 Posted by vance_astro (90095 posts) - - Show Bio
Zoom said:
"A train?  He thinks a train is more powerful than the Human Torch?"
It is.
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#83 Posted by geodoc (306 posts) - - Show Bio
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#84 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
Nitric said:
"A super train packed with enough explosives to destroy an entire small country... Hmmm... Let's see

Hiroshima x 10... or the Human Torch?

Huh...

*Jeopardy music starts playing*

I think that the Iron Fist is the strongest player on this team, and really the only one who's going to do much damage, but I agree, as I've said at least twice now, Jim Hammond wins this fight in most cases, but definitely not all."
So...how did he survive that?  Seems something that's beyond a guy with human durability in 90% of his body.
Also how is he gonna hit Jim and do any damage in the first place?
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#85 Posted by geodoc (306 posts) - - Show Bio

Jim Hammond doesn't have to be near them to fight them or kill them.  He can ignite all of them from the inside at a distance.  fight over.

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#86 Posted by namorsubby (251 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Fresh Prince said:
"Cant Hammond just go Supernova and kill them all?"
Not even if he wanted to."

actually, he could easily do that. In fact, he can regularly reach a nova level of flame, without burning himself out like johnny.


hammond wins easily