Jigen vs. Kaguya

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#1 Posted by HSTgoddess (377 posts) - - Show Bio
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#3 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (6138 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya stomps at the moment.

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#4 Posted by HSTgoddess (377 posts) - - Show Bio

@eternalkage: This is my thread, so I cannot debate or pick sides. However, I would like to point out that Kaguya is a sensory-type and she has the most powerful Bakugan and Rinnesharingan. She may be able to detect Jigen like Sasuke did.

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#5 Posted by katanalauncher (3771 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait until Jigen shows feats in his new form.

As of now Kaguya stomps.

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#6 Posted by Deadannoy (54 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya for now until Jigen gets more feats.

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#7 Edited by LichVanAstrea (1952 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, no. Jigen needs way more feats. This hype's gotta stop.

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#8 Posted by Tyki_Mikk25 (615 posts) - - Show Bio

For now Kaguya but if Jigen absorb the whole Juubi, he gonna surpass Kaguya in strenght.

Momoshiki was weaker then both because he hadn´t the power of the Juubi/Shinjuu tree, his base form was just Kage lvl(little above) and in his fused form he was strong but not on the same lvl as Kaguya. Probably with his won Shinjuutree he would be strong as Kaguya.

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#9 Posted by SPsamurai (139 posts) - - Show Bio

kaguya. jigen needs more feats

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#10 Posted by FullMetalEmprah (5746 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait until next chapter, Kaguya stomps at the moment since Jigen doesn't have enough feats yet.

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#11 Posted by Earendill (1747 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya one shot the fodderverse.

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#12 Posted by HSTgoddess (377 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya one shot the fodderverse.

??? It is her verse

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#13 Edited by Earendill (1747 posts) - - Show Bio

@hstgoddess said:
@earendill said:

Kaguya one shot the fodderverse.

??? It is her verse

Narutoverse ≠ Borutoverse

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#14 Posted by Antonio_1996 (1797 posts) - - Show Bio

@earendill: Naruto, Sasuke, Kara and their Leader Jigen would take down Kaguya. LOL at her oneshotting the verse.

OT: Kaguya for now. He doesn't have the seals.

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#15 Posted by Gilateen (5082 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya for now

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#16 Posted by eri123 (7274 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya.

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#17 Posted by TheEmperor95 (2197 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya bodies

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#18 Posted by Sutoriku (40 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya stomps as of rn.

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#19 Posted by GohanDorado (436 posts) - - Show Bio

Jigen doesn't really have a counter to Kaguya's immortality.

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#20 Posted by americanspeeddemon (7526 posts) - - Show Bio

To all the people saying Kaguya stomps lol. Somebody who can hold off both Naruto and Sasuke without going all out isn't getting stomped by Kaguya.

Physically they seem fairly even, Jigen is more skill, both can teleport so her main hax isn't much of a problem, Jigen should be able to dodge or absorb all of her attacks. Kaguya wins due to regeneration and ETSB but it'll be a tough fight for her.

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#21 Edited by Supermanforever (9823 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya trumps by feats so far. Naruto and Sasuke at the moment are nerf to pathetic levels. The stuff they were doing during war arc was beyond anything they have shown lately.

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#22 Posted by DeadpoolUchiha (370 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Posted by jplaya2023 (852 posts) - - Show Bio

jigen is fighting weaker versions of naruto (no more sosp jutsu or power) and sasuke (1 arm, no more sosp powers) so right now kaguya wins. jigen is just a pale copy at the moment.

kaguya has better eyes and jutsu's

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#25 Posted by MCU-Defender333 (927 posts) - - Show Bio

To all the people saying Kaguya stomps lol. Somebody who can hold off both Naruto and Sasuke without going all out isn't getting stomped by Kaguya.

Physically they seem fairly even, Jigen is more skill, both can teleport so her main hax isn't much of a problem, Jigen should be able to dodge or absorb all of her attacks. Kaguya wins due to regeneration and ETSB but it'll be a tough fight for her.

LMFAO, at what point did it look like Naruto and Sasuke were going all out? Naruto has used nothing but giant rasengans and Sasuke hasn't even used his rinnegan yet.

'Jigen should be able to dodge or absorb all of her attacks.'

And she absorbs all his.

Jigen fires off chakra roads that Naruto and Sasuke have been shrugging off. Kaguya fires bones that are a OHKO.

Jigen has yet to produce a TSB. Kaguya produced one that would have swallowed her dimension.

Jigen has enough power with a kick to cause Naruto some strain when blocking. Kaguya popped open Sasuke's PS with a few chakra fists.

It is too soon to say that Jigen > Momoshiki or Juubidara, nevermind Kaguya. The only thing he might be better than them in is raw h2h skills, but that's about it.

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#26 Posted by Supermanforever (9823 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever: They arent nerfed

They are terribly nerfed. Naruto during war arc. Thousands of shadow clones, using yin yan release and truth seeking balls, all types of bijuu nature rasengans on consistent basis. Analysing and fighting his opponents smartly, using shadow clones to gain nature chakra while he is fighting. Using shadow and lightstyle bijuu bombs, multiple times use sage amped jutsu and all.

Naruto and Sasuke are nerfed badly. Does not even use bijuu mode to avoid bunch of injuries. Same way Sasuke does not use his susanoo.

They have been nerfed and their battle magnitude clearly shows it.

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#27 Posted by DeadpoolUchiha (370 posts) - - Show Bio

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@supermanforever: They arent nerfed

They are terribly nerfed. Naruto during war arc. Thousands of shadow clones, using yin yan release and truth seeking balls, all types of bijuu nature rasengans on consistent basis. Analysing and fighting his opponents smartly, using shadow clones to gain nature chakra while he is fighting. Using shadow and lightstyle bijuu bombs, multiple times use sage amped jutsu and all.

Naruto and Sasuke are nerfed badly. Does not even use bijuu mode to avoid bunch of injuries. Same way Sasuke does not use his susanoo.

They have been nerfed and their battle magnitude clearly shows it.

Yeah and tell me would you prefer them to stomp thus removing all tension?

Spaming shadow clones would be useless because jigen treats them like fodder.

Where is it said in the manga that have gotten weaker? It sounds like your own headcannon. He lost the truth seeking orbs during the war arc. He still has six paths chakra plus another kurama and you think teen naruto is stronger than that?

There is no nature energy in the dm that they are fighting in at all.

The chapter is heating up and you dont know what is next. for all you know sasuke uses the rinnegan and ss next chapter.

Speaking of sasuke at this point he mastered the rinnegan. Teen sasuke has not. How is teen sasuke stronger?

Jigen absorbs ninjustu so thats the reason why naruto isnt using more powerful ninjustu. It was never stated that naruto lost the six paths chakra or tailed beast chakra. Again show in manga prove of this nerf.

As for dodging injuries its hard to do that when the enemy is fast.Again unless you want naruto to stomp this guy.

Again would you like narusas to stomp this guy next chapter and move on?

Do you not like tension?

Naruto isnt known for his analyzing skills and I am not saying that they are bad either. Have you even read the chapter? He uses shadow clones to feel him out in said chapter. And sasuke reads him like a book. Why waste chakra on a1000 clones when you dont need as much. And why use justu on a opponent that you dont know fully. We dont know everything jigen can do. How would you know Perfect ss works?

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#29 Posted by finalbeta (284 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya until I see more

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#30 Posted by BabyHoldMyHand (467 posts) - - Show Bio

Jigen counters everything and absorbs all her attacks

Better at hand to hand

Shrink himself to dodge ash killing bone

Kaguya can’t BFR since Jigen can as well

ETSB would be Kaguya best bet since I don’t think Jigen can absorb something of that caliber

Kaguya's BFR swaps the scenery while Jigen has to physically send you through the portal.

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#31 Posted by Namebk (1830 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya for now.

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#32 Posted by EmperorMode (1138 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperormode said:

@deadpooluchiha: yes they are lmao

OT: Kaguya stomps

Read what i said below

Nothing you said "above" disproves the fact that naruto got nerfed.

The dimension not having natural energy is your headcanon, where is that even state? And it wouldn't matter even if it did/didn't have it as naruto can go still go SM or RSM.

And yes Jigen can absorb ninjutsu, but as with Delta we're already that it has a limit.

Which brings me back to my "they nerfed them" point.....why couldn't Naruto sense Jigen?? He literally doesn't need to ask sasuke about jigen's position when he has 2 better senses than sasuke.

No she doesnt

Yes she does lol, literally everything he has shown so far wouldn't even faze her while she can one shot him because of his "not revealed yet piss poor durability feats".

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#33 Posted by DeadpoolUchiha (370 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpooluchiha said:
@emperormode said:

@deadpooluchiha: yes they are lmao

OT: Kaguya stomps

Read what i said below

Nothing you said "above" disproves the fact that naruto got nerfed.

The dimension not having natural energy is your headcanon, where is that even state? And it wouldn't matter even if it did/didn't have it as naruto can go still go SM or RSM.

Dude tell me what points are wrong exactly.

Your right in that ascept but here is the thing have you seen naruto gather sage energy in a mostly empty area and not on earth?

And prove that he can enter sage mode there?

In the last he could do it since earth was simply below him.

And yes Jigen can absorb ninjutsu, but as with Delta we're already that it has a limit.

Delta had a tech mod which allow her to absorb ninjustu and it has a limit. Jigen doesnt hsve that. He has a curse mark which has shown no limits at this point.

Which brings me back to my "they nerfed them" point.....why couldn't Naruto sense Jigen?? He literally doesn't need to ask sasuke about jigen's position when he has 2 better senses than sasuke.

No she doesnt

Yes she does lol, literally everything he has shown so far wouldn't even faze her while she can one shot him because of his "not revealed yet piss poor durability feats".

First point naruto was in base he needs sage mode to sense people. And its clear that its something jigen can do. Sasuke can track narutos chakra through dms. Sage mode has not done that.

What i s more impressive fighting full power teen naruto sixpath half kurama and unmastered visual prowess Sasuke or Adult naruto with full kurama plus six paths an Adult Sasuke mastered eyes?

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#34 Posted by MattyBoi (2861 posts) - - Show Bio

Jigen doesn't really have a counter to Kaguya's immortality.

Assuming he has the same gear as delta, he can potentially use that anti regen attack.

OT: Jigen wins.

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#35 Posted by SkyZoro (128 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya fodderizes, the length Boruto fans are going to try and say the main Naruto characters didn't get weaker as adults is pretty funny.

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#36 Posted by EmperorMode (1138 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpooluchiha:

Dude tell me what points are wrong exactly.

Your right in that ascept but here is the thing have you seen naruto gather sage energy in a mostly empty area and not on earth?

He was fine going into RSM in ALL of Kaguya's different dimensions, what do you got except for your headcanon??

And prove that he can enter sage mode there?

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Natural energy is everywhere, unless you can prove that dimension had no natural energy whatsoever....then naruto can go SM anytime.

In the last he could do it since earth was simply below him.

Now what makes Jigen's dimension special that it doesn't have any natural energy?

First point naruto was in base he needs sage mode to sense people. And its clear that its something jigen can do.

What are you talking about?? Naruto was in RSM when he asked Sasuke about jigen's position.....he could sense jigen through his Emotional sense or his RSM sense that enabled him to sense limbo clones.

Sasuke can track narutos chakra through dms. Sage mode has not done that.

Did you skip a couple chapters in Naruto?? SM allowed Naruto to sense others' chakra as well as feel the war happening all over the country. Which further doesn't make sense that Sasuke can see where Jigen is because he has chakra while naruto has to ask??0.o

What i s more impressive fighting full power teen naruto sixpath half kurama and unmastered visual prowess Sasuke or Adult naruto with full kurama plus six paths an Adult Sasuke mastered eyes?

I don't know why you're asking me this question.....I said they were nerfed not that they got weaker. And what would be impressive to see is Naruto and Sasuke actually fighting like they're not fresh outta the Academy.

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#37 Posted by Rednote99 (126 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpooluchiha: since when it was confirmed that jigen dimension don't have nature energy? Naruto can become Sage mode in Obito dimension, a dimension that only have a frigging block. No tree, no water, no animal and yet Naruto can enter six path Sage mode in that dimension.

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#38 Posted by Azureus (3257 posts) - - Show Bio

The fight pretty much consisted of standard moves. Jigen hasn't revealed his otsutsuki form yet, Sasuke only relied on his sharingan during the entire encounter and Naruto hasn't used much aside from a few clones and a few rasengans.

Its too early to put Jigen above any God-tier, let alone match him against Kaguya. We'll have to wait and see.

Kaguya stomps as of right now.

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#41 Posted by ManimalMan (1044 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperormode: yeah ikemoto and kodachi keep forgetting 90% of naruto's abilities

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#42 Posted by NarutoUzumakiMedakaKurokami (648 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya blow a kiss at Jigen into death by accidentally

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#43 Posted by GohanDorado (436 posts) - - Show Bio

@mattyboi: We can assume, but we can't prove. Also that attack is chakra based, and Kaguya absorbs chakra attacks, regardless of it's properties.

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#44 Posted by MattyBoi (2861 posts) - - Show Bio

@mattyboi: We can assume, but we can't prove. Also that attack is chakra based, and Kaguya absorbs chakra attacks, regardless of it's properties.

Well that's true, but she doesnt absorb everything as shown when she's caught by the rasenshurikens.

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#45 Posted by Supermanforever (9823 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpooluchiha:

Yeah and tell me would you prefer them to stomp thus removing all tension?

Nope atleast showing their best abilities. But likely we will see it in next chapter. Currently Naruto nor Sasuke have shown best of their abilities that they showed during war arc. Looking at war arc the way they fought, either of duo would solo considering how trash jigens feats are.

Spaming shadow clones would be useless because jigen treats them like fodder.

There is a clear difference in spamming 5 clones or 1000 thousand and Jigen didnt threat them like fodder its that they didnt know his ability from the begining.

Where is it said in the manga that have gotten weaker? It sounds like your own headcannon. He lost the truth seeking orbs during the war arc. He still has six paths chakra plus another kurama and you think teen naruto is stronger than that?

Stated multiple times that Naruto has lost his touch in combat and i judge by feats not statments and pretentious claims. Truth seeking orbs can not be lost, he just does not use them. This is justsu based on yin yang release. By the canon logic, he can create new ones easily. Unless they fd up. Multiple times also stated that they were holding back.

Naruto gaining the other half of kurama does not mean much, its just another chakra reserve. Looking at the feats that teen Naruto showed compared to boruto appearances. Yeah teen Naruto murders by feats.

There is no nature energy in the dm that they are fighting in at all.

Where was this claimed?

The chapter is heating up and you dont know what is next. for all you know sasuke uses the rinnegan and ss next chapter.

Im not talking about future. Anything can happen in the future. Im talking about present.

Speaking of sasuke at this point he mastered the rinnegan. Teen sasuke has not. How is teen sasuke stronger?

Mastered what? opening portals? Other than opening portals Sasuke could use every ability of the rinnegan just as easily and rinnegan teleportation is just portal to other dimensions. Its unefficent in combat. So yeah teen Sasuke had better feats. Consistently used perfect susanoo, chidori, amenotejikara. In one glance could put 9 bijuu under a seal. In his adulthood he barely created a small chibaku tensei. Lets not pretend that he cant use genjutsu. Can Jigen counter that? We dont really know. Sasuke in an instant absorbed chakra of all tailed beasts and created ridiculously powerfull Susanoo. Now he does what swordfight and sometimes use amateratsu? lol. Lets cut the bs.

Jigen absorbs ninjustu so thats the reason why naruto isnt using more powerful ninjustu.

He can use senjutsu chakra based ninjutsu and Jigen absorbing it will probably make him into a frog. He didnt even try to use that. Kaguya was also absorbing ninjutsu, but failed to absorbed narutos senpo multi nature trandsformation rasenshurikens.

It was never stated that naruto lost the six paths chakra or tailed beast chakra. Again show in manga prove of this nerf.

I didnt say he got weaker, i said by feats he is weaker atm. My point is that Naruto and Sasuke are capable of way more than we get to see in boruto. Simply looking at their teen versions. They were more agressive, fought smarter, better tactics, had both arms.

As for dodging injuries its hard to do that when the enemy is fast.Again unless you want naruto to stomp this guy.

Lets not forget that naruto was breaking out of chakra recievers during pain arc lol. Those recievers judging by Narutos old feats are nothing but fodder for him. he could use kyuubi chakra to protect himself more effectively.

So what injuries are we talking about? Naruto was tanking juubidama in his BM mode back in the days and during war arc final he was healing wounds like nothing.

Duo stomping jigen has nothing to do with this. The fact that this topic is going is due to the reason that people claim Jigen is fighting Sasuke and Naruto so he is something else, he is above kaguy, madara, momoshiki. Like calm yourselves. So far they duo didnt even try anything decent, few taijutsu moves and thats it.

Again would you like narusas to stomp this guy next chapter and move on?

That was not the point, point was that duo has not even tried anything against him to say he is that powerfull. At this point he is nowhere near as powerfull as the top tiers from before. Even looking at feats from Sasuke and Naruto from older fights, they would solo.

Do you not like tension?

Im not talking about the manga, this is not about the story. This is CV fight, has nothing to do with tension. Here only feats matter.

Naruto isnt known for his analyzing skills and I am not saying that they are bad either.

False, proved multiple times during war arc that he is genius in combat though goofy. He outsmarted and proved his genius level of fighting skills and analysing in combat during war arc multiple times against opponents that were much stronger than himself.

Have you even read the chapter? He uses shadow clones to feel him out in said chapter. And sasuke reads him like a book. Why waste chakra on a1000 clones when you dont need as much. And why use justu on a opponent that you dont know fully. We dont know everything jigen can do. How would you know Perfect ss works?

Sitting on your ass and not doing anything would also not work and narutos multishadow clone jutsu has proven to be effective hundreds of times. Lets not forget than KCM narutos single clone was enough to stomp several Kage level chakracters, including third raikage. Now they thread Naruto like fodder in Boruto.

Overall im not angry about the circumstances that manga does, like holding back duo due to plot reasons. Im angry about those Otsotsuki wankers who consistenly make useless claims about momoshiki, jigen etc without any decent feats behind them.

So looking at the feats. Kaguya one shots with rinnesharingan

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#46 Edited by BleachHub (888 posts) - - Show Bio

Jigen stomps

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#47 Posted by MyGod000 (1121 posts) - - Show Bio

As of right now, Kaguya destroys Jigen.

Jigen ability to shrink things isn't going to help against Kaguya who can open ports anywhere on the battlefield and just 1 hit Kill with All killing Ash bone.

Rinnegan Sharingan can teleport people to dimensions as well. moreover, Kaguya can also absorb all chakra based attacks.

With Rinne-Sharingan she can Read his Abilities and break it down just like Sasuke did with Sharingan.

since Rinne-Sharingan is leagues and leagues better than Sharingan, she should be able to do it as well. Now, the question is will she do it those? the answer is No. Because Kaguya isn't that smart like Sasuke is, she has the tools and means of doing it but she doesn't have the intelligence, so the more likely option is that Kaguya will just open a port behind Jigen and hit him with all Killing ash bone.

What we can say is Jigen is for sure way more powerful than Momoshiki that is no brainer.

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#48 Posted by AlexTheBoss (19634 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya wins for now. She is immortal, and Jigen will eventually get tagged.

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#49 Edited by SpartanKobe (1126 posts) - - Show Bio

lol Poor Naruto. He's so useless in these fights now.

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#50 Posted by marvelfan1992 (3515 posts) - - Show Bio

So do Naruto and Sasuke still seem weaker than their teen selves? Didn't keep up with boruto manga