Jigen vs Ichigo

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Jigen is not beating Ichigo ,the only reason Naruto/Sasuke beats Ichigo is because of their immense versatility when compared to Ichigo and the only reason Jigen beat the ninja duo is because of thier bad Compatibility with his fighting style.

it's like people don't understand compatibility and just go with ABC logic even when it don't fit. for example-Jigen has nothing he Can do to Someone like Bankai Yama-ji due to bad compatibility, Ichigo >>> Yama-ji So I guess Ichigo solos Naruto/Sasuke. Wrong.

All Jigen has is physicals and his shrinking ability(for now). Jigen is not beating Ichigo with pure physicals alone and neither is a single bleach or Naruto character from the entire cast beating Ichigo with physicals alone.

OT : 1st round could go either way

Ichigo takes second round high diff.

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@zuriel-el: jigen is stronger then naruto however the naruto he is stronger than is incredibly nerfed. We can't even call it PIS at this point because he's had several fights against hidan level opponents and he struggles massively in every fight. People just need to accept that he's far weaker than his teen EOS self that would beat ichigo

Yes definitely since teen duo literally has half of Hagoromo's Chakra each from their Sun/Moon seals. Sasuke could still generate minute amounts from the Hashirama cells gave from Kabuto and Naruto could gather some by combining all the Bijuu Chakra. But that's far from the amount the seals gave.

naruto still have his power and seal and so does sasuke

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No its apparently an art mistake from the Boruto manga because they removed it in the tankobon version (and subsequent volumes). In fact back in Shippuden we alr saw the seals going back to Hagoromo's palms.

aight cool but that seal on their hands is meant for the sixpath ct, naruto still has his sixpath senjutsu power, in naruto the last, he had bijuu sage mode on (not spsm) but used his sixpaths power to fly and flight is only shown in with his sixpath power, so no he hasnt lost it, he didnt even need it against toneri, he just used flying ability from it

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No he wasn't flying he was just propelling forward under low gravity. You can see the rocks floating up as well. He definitely couldn't use Six Paths Senjutsu in just normal Bijuu Sage Mode, or else SPSM is just a redundant form that has no meaning.

lol y was hinata not able to float aswell, then? (this is fiction not real life, a human like naruto and the others could breath in space?) i didnt say he used spsm in bsm, i said he used the ability from spsm in bsm cuz bsm was enough for toneri

And that's why I said: he can't use that six paths ability in BSM. Your logic should be flowing the other way: because we KNOW he can't use a six paths technique in a NON-six paths mode, therefore this flying ability isn't six paths senjutsu. Even if he could fly, it could mean Naruto got some other ability not necessarily Six Paths Senjutsu. What it is exactly doesn't matter, it's not Six Paths Senjutsu that's for sure because he is not in six paths mode.

explain him flying, then cuz its definitely not gravity that caused that...Overall, Naruto and Sasuke did not lose their Six Paths Prowess that were given to them. Sasuke still possesses his Rinnegan, and exactly like how Kakashi had lost his double Mangekyo Sharingan when Obito left to the Pure Land, if Hagoromo had taken his chakra back, Sasuke would've lost his Rinnegan. Naruto also still possesses the ability to utilize Six Paths Senjutsu Chakra.

Low gravity doesn't "cause" you to fly, it allows you to. If the rock is moving upwards, it will continue to move up for a prolong amount of time unlike on Earth it will just drop back down almost immediately. But it will still drop back down eventually because gravity isn't zero. For Naruto, he is still dropping down, but at a very slow rate that he seem like he's basically floating. For Hinata or anyone that is on the ground, they can float if they jump, but if they don't that's fine too.

And even though I just explained to you how he could "fly", I don't have to. The fact that he isn't in SPSM is already enough to prove that he wasn't using Six Paths Senjutsu. He can fly all he want, that only means he could fly without Six Paths Senjutsu. It's not as if Six Paths Senjutsu is the only way to fly in the entire Narutoverse.

No Kakashi and Sasuke are not the same. When Obito possesses Kakashi, he lend the MS themselves, cause Obito's chakra can't possibly evolve Kakashi's normal eye into MS. For Sasuke, he only received the seal only, which produces Six Paths Chakra that evolves his EMS to Rinnegan. Hagoromo only took back what he lent which is the seal, but the eye that evolved into Rinnegan was originally Sasuke's, so he still has his (evolved) eye because the eye itself weren't given by Hagoromo, only the seal that produced the chakra that evolved the eye. But Kakashi's MS weren't evolved from his normal eyes because that's just impossible, Obito must have given the MS themselves.

If you want to make a counter-intuitive claim like he can use Six Paths Senjutsu without SPSM, then the burden of proof should be on you. But unfortunately there are 0 instances of that happening other than this heavily questionable one we are currently discussing.

And nobody said Hinata wasn't able to float or anything. This should be common sense, but you still can keep yourself to the ground if you don't have any initial momentum upwards.

u know how naruto used six path sage mode in base (without cloak), cant he do the same and add kurama's cloak on top?

Of course he can use Six Paths Senjutsu in the BASE SPSM (without cloak). But we are talking about Bijuu Sage Mode, the mode with the cloak, but NON SIX PATHS. As long as he has reg pigmentation, it means non six paths and he can't use six paths jutsu, with or without the kyuubi cloak.

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In fact at the end of the movie, we saw Toneri able to absorb Naruto's chakra and not Hamura's chakra in Hinata. If Naruto still has Hagoromo's Chakra then it should have the same resistance.

naruto never had resistance to chakra absorption, lol r u trynna say hinata is a sixpath or something, she doesnt have hamura's chakra
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She literally said on screen that she does, and she said it as the reason why Toneri couldn't absorb her chakra. I suggest you go rewatch that scene because I can't give you screenshots for everything.

oof, my apologies, didnt know...but still naruto never shown resistance to chakra absorption, plus he doesnt even have hagoromo's chakra, he has ashura's chakra

Yes he didn't have Hagoromo's Chakra in The Last, which is precisely why he didn't go into SPSM. Because he didn't have Six Paths Chakra at that time, unlike in Shippuden where he got Six Paths Chakra Chakra from the seal Hagoromo gave. After the seal returned to Hagoromo, there are still some Six Paths Chakra left in his body, which is why he could still use SPSM in VOTE2. But after the fight with Sasuke he completely exhausted all that chakra, so he go back to having only Ashura's Chakra again, which is non-six paths.

However at the end of the movie, you can see Hinata sharing her Hamura chakra with Naruto. This is a possible reason how Naruto got back SPSM as an adult, but that's another story. Point being in The Last Movie: Naruto didn't have Six Paths Chakra, and couldn't use Six Paths Senjutsu even if he wanted to. It makes no sense for him to hold back when Toneri literally rekt his ass, robbed his girlfriend and preparing to destroy the entire world. Naruto was racing against time to stop him so even if he somehow know that this mode is enough, he would've wanted it to end as early as possible. He's no Madara who likes to play around at the end of the world.

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Okay look directly at the statements they are basically identical, except for like a few words.


MOMOSHIKI'S Statement:

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Stated that This power was beyond Human comprehension.

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incomplete 2nd Form Juubi:

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Stated that Juubi causes natural disasters, and that it uses Immeasurable amount of Chakra, with wide effects range and immense destructive power. The Last Line says It's an Attack That Exceeds Mankind's Knowledge, too much for humans to handle.

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@revold said:
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@zuriel-el: jigen is stronger then naruto however the naruto he is stronger than is incredibly nerfed. We can't even call it PIS at this point because he's had several fights against hidan level opponents and he struggles massively in every fight. People just need to accept that he's far weaker than his teen EOS self that would beat ichigo

Yes definitely since teen duo literally has half of Hagoromo's Chakra each from their Sun/Moon seals. Sasuke could still generate minute amounts from the Hashirama cells gave from Kabuto and Naruto could gather some by combining all the Bijuu Chakra. But that's far from the amount the seals gave.

naruto still have his power and seal and so does sasuke

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No its apparently an art mistake from the Boruto manga because they removed it in the tankobon version (and subsequent volumes). In fact back in Shippuden we alr saw the seals going back to Hagoromo's palms.

aight cool but that seal on their hands is meant for the sixpath ct, naruto still has his sixpath senjutsu power, in naruto the last, he had bijuu sage mode on (not spsm) but used his sixpaths power to fly and flight is only shown in with his sixpath power, so no he hasnt lost it, he didnt even need it against toneri, he just used flying ability from it

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No he wasn't flying he was just propelling forward under low gravity. You can see the rocks floating up as well. He definitely couldn't use Six Paths Senjutsu in just normal Bijuu Sage Mode, or else SPSM is just a redundant form that has no meaning.

lol y was hinata not able to float aswell, then? (this is fiction not real life, a human like naruto and the others could breath in space?) i didnt say he used spsm in bsm, i said he used the ability from spsm in bsm cuz bsm was enough for toneri

And that's why I said: he can't use that six paths ability in BSM. Your logic should be flowing the other way: because we KNOW he can't use a six paths technique in a NON-six paths mode, therefore this flying ability isn't six paths senjutsu. Even if he could fly, it could mean Naruto got some other ability not necessarily Six Paths Senjutsu. What it is exactly doesn't matter, it's not Six Paths Senjutsu that's for sure because he is not in six paths mode.

explain him flying, then cuz its definitely not gravity that caused that...Overall, Naruto and Sasuke did not lose their Six Paths Prowess that were given to them. Sasuke still possesses his Rinnegan, and exactly like how Kakashi had lost his double Mangekyo Sharingan when Obito left to the Pure Land, if Hagoromo had taken his chakra back, Sasuke would've lost his Rinnegan. Naruto also still possesses the ability to utilize Six Paths Senjutsu Chakra.

Low gravity doesn't "cause" you to fly, it allows you to. If the rock is moving upwards, it will continue to move up for a prolong amount of time unlike on Earth it will just drop back down almost immediately. But it will still drop back down eventually because gravity isn't zero. For Naruto, he is still dropping down, but at a very slow rate that he seem like he's basically floating. For Hinata or anyone that is on the ground, they can float if they jump, but if they don't that's fine too.

it supposed to cause u to float, yes? if someone's on the moon, any slightest step will cause u to float a little but hinata and even kurama and the gedo was perfectly on the ground while fighting, explain that aswell, naruto and toneri were flew higher and was fighting faster

And even though I just explained to you how he could "fly", I don't have to. The fact that he isn't in SPSM is already enough to prove that he wasn't using Six Paths Senjutsu. He can fly all he want, that only means he could fly without Six Paths Senjutsu. It's not as if Six Paths Senjutsu is the only way to fly in the entire Narutoverse.

for naruto, its the only way to fly, naruto has used six path sage mode without cloak, he prolly did the same here, he used six path sage mode and added kurama's chakra on top

No Kakashi and Sasuke are not the same. When Obito possesses Kakashi, he lend the MS themselves, cause Obito's chakra can't possibly evolve Kakashi's normal eye into MS. For Sasuke, he only received the seal only,

true but he lost the seal for the sixpath ct, that was what the seal was meant for, in the first place....lol still have to explain how sasuke still has his tomoe rinnegan, if they truely lost their sixpath powers and another thing, i dont think naruto would have survived toneri's senjutsu infused tso if he didnt have sixpaths

which produces Six Paths Chakra that evolves his EMS to Rinnegan. Hagoromo only took back what he lent which is the seal

good thing u know

, but the eye that evolved into Rinnegan was originally Sasuke's, so he still has his (evolved) eye because the eye itself weren't given by Hagoromo, only the seal that produced the chakra that evolved the eye.

when did the seal produce the chakra, another assumption

But Kakashi's MS weren't evolved from his normal eyes because that's just impossible, Obito must have given the MS themselves.

yh i guess

If you want to make a counter-intuitive claim like he can use Six Paths Senjutsu without SPSM, then the burden of proof should be on you. But unfortunately there are 0 instances of that happening other than this heavily questionable one we are currently discussing.

And nobody said Hinata wasn't able to float or anything. This should be common sense, but you still can keep yourself to the ground if you don't have any initial momentum upwards.

u know how naruto used six path sage mode in base (without cloak), cant he do the same and add kurama's cloak on top?

Of course he can use Six Paths Senjutsu in the BASE SPSM (without cloak). But we are talking about Bijuu Sage Mode, the mode with the cloak, but NON SIX PATHS. As long as he has reg pigmentation, it means non six paths and he can't use six paths jutsu, with or without the kyuubi cloak.

sixpaths is the only form i have seen naruto fly in, so im just gonna straight up say, naruto used sixpath sage mode then added his kurama cloak on top plus we not even sure if that was bsm...wym, reg pigmentation? ooh yh u just reminded me that sage mode has red pigmentation around his eyes while six paths senjutsu doesnt, ultimate proof, he still has his spsm and used it against jigen but he didnt use it against toneri, so yh naruto never lost his spsm, y do ppl even think that tho?

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In fact at the end of the movie, we saw Toneri able to absorb Naruto's chakra and not Hamura's chakra in Hinata. If Naruto still has Hagoromo's Chakra then it should have the same resistance.

naruto never had resistance to chakra absorption, lol r u trynna say hinata is a sixpath or something, she doesnt have hamura's chakra
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She literally said on screen that she does, and she said it as the reason why Toneri couldn't absorb her chakra. I suggest you go rewatch that scene because I can't give you screenshots for everything.

oof, my apologies, didnt know...but still naruto never shown resistance to chakra absorption, plus he doesnt even have hagoromo's chakra, he has ashura's chakra

Yes he didn't have Hagoromo's Chakra in The Last, which is precisely why he didn't go into SPSM.

he never had it in the first place , he had ashura's, anyways i have debunked all this "not having spsm" bullshit above

Because he didn't have Six Paths Chakra at that time, unlike in Shippuden where he got Six Paths Chakra Chakra from the seal Hagoromo gave.

another assumption...when did the seal give them chakra? it was meant for sealing not providing chakra

After the seal returned to Hagoromo, there are still some Six Paths Chakra left in his body, which is why he could still use SPSM in VOTE2. But after the fight with Sasuke he completely exhausted all that chakra, so he go back to having only Ashura's Chakra again, which is non-six paths.

he never had hagoromo's chakra in the first place, unless u can show me where it said, naruto doesnt have the sun seal in base, it appears when he enters spsm

However at the end of the movie, you can see Hinata sharing her Hamura chakra with Naruto. This is a possible reason how Naruto got back SPSM as an adult, but that's another story.

hmm yes as u said, its assumption

Point being in The Last Movie: Naruto didn't have Six Paths Chakra, and couldn't use Six Paths Senjutsu even if he wanted to.

ur right he didnt need it against toneri cuz he needed it more for jigen than toneri

It makes no sense for him to hold back when Toneri literally rekt his ass, robbed his girlfriend and preparing to destroy the entire world. Naruto was racing against time to stop him so even if he somehow know that this mode is enough, he would've wanted it to end as early as possible. He's no Madara who likes to play around at the end of the world.

k but he still beat his ass with bsm tho, spsm would be overkill for toneri

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I want to say Jigen just because he fodderized Nardo and Sauce.

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Okay look directly at the statements they are basically identical, except for like a few words.

MOMOSHIKI'S Statement:

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nice, the scan above proves momo's tbb >>>>juubi's for being able to shake the earth the earth with the shockwaves

Stated that This power was beyond Human comprehension.

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incomplete 2nd Form Juubi:

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Stated that Juubi causes natural disasters, and that it uses Immeasurable amount of Chakra, with wide effects range and immense destructive power. The Last Line says It's an Attack That Exceeds Mankind's Knowledge, too much for humans to handle.

nice is this from the web novel or light novel? it still doesnt prove its continental tho but it sure is country lvl if it uses it in its final form

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#107  Edited By MyGod000

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@epichotflame:

Okay look directly at the statements they are basically identical, except for like a few words.

MOMOSHIKI'S Statement:

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nice, the scan above proves momo's tbb >>>>juubi's for being able to shake the earth the earth with the shockwaves

Stated that This power was beyond Human comprehension.

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incomplete 2nd Form Juubi:

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Stated that Juubi causes natural disasters, and that it uses Immeasurable amount of Chakra, with wide effects range and immense destructive power. The Last Line says It's an Attack That Exceeds Mankind's Knowledge, too much for humans to handle.

nice is this from the web novel or light novel? it still doesnt prove its continental tho but it sure is country lvl if it uses it in its final form

Momoshiki didn't shake the earth, if he did Naruto would have felt something like that as well as Sasuke.

The Juubi power is stated to be immeasurable, Momoshiki's isn't. Clearly Juubi>>Momoshiki. Momoshiki's attack that "Shake the world" only blow the 8 tails legs off, which is something 1 form Juubi did killer bee as well.

Also, that Juubi didn't even have 8 or the 9 tails, only pieces of it chakra. 9 tails in the manga you showed stated the Juubi power can swallow the ocean which is easily multi-Continental level feat the Ocean coves like 70% of earth.

My point was that 2nd form incomplete Juubi has same statements as Momoshiki. yes, this is from the light novel. More over it stated that the Juubi can destroy the planet as well.

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@mygod000 said:
@epichotflame said:
@mygod000 said:

@epichotflame:

Okay look directly at the statements they are basically identical, except for like a few words.

MOMOSHIKI'S Statement:

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nice, the scan above proves momo's tbb >>>>juubi's for being able to shake the earth the earth with the shockwaves

Stated that This power was beyond Human comprehension.

VS

incomplete 2nd Form Juubi:

No Caption Provided

Stated that Juubi causes natural disasters, and that it uses Immeasurable amount of Chakra, with wide effects range and immense destructive power. The Last Line says It's an Attack That Exceeds Mankind's Knowledge, too much for humans to handle.

nice is this from the web novel or light novel? it still doesnt prove its continental tho but it sure is country lvl if it uses it in its final form

Momoshiki didn't shake the earth, if he did Naruto would have felt something like that as well as Sasuke.

ooh

The Juubi power is stated to be immeasurable, Momoshiki's isn't. Clearly Juubi>>Momoshiki. Momoshiki's attack that "Shake the world" only blow the 8 tails legs off, which is something 1 form Juubi did killer bee as well.

lol tailed beast have high durability tho, so using that is a bad example but k

Also, that Juubi didn't even have 8 or the 9 tails, only pieces of it chakra. 9 tails in the manga you showed stated the Juubi power can swallow the ocean which is easily multi-Continental level feat the Ocean coves like 70% of earth.

yh i know that feat is continental, juubi was splitting lands and carrying mountains across the continent

My point was that 2nd form incomplete Juubi has same statements as Momoshiki. yes, this is from the light novel. More over it stated that the Juubi can destroy the planet as well.

cool, can u show me the part that said juubi can destroy the planet, i need to save that...yh juubi is really underrated tbh, his incomplete 2nd form as spamming city bursting tbbs and his tenpechii created a city sized crater with hill lvl depth, in his complete final form, its country burster- continental lvl of devastation

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Jigen mid diffed naruto and sasuke. Because they lack physicals. Someone like suppressed shikia kenpachi would out stat naruto and sasuke. Unless they use their avatars.

Naruto got one shotted by a Giant biju bomb from mommo which was around island level. So narutos stats and durability cap at island+. If he puts all his power in one attack he can be contentail for one move.

That being said suppressed shikia kenpachi can pull off island level to country level feats so. When he removes his eyepatch he gets 5 to 10x stronger. Gerard beat full shikai2 kenpachi who should be mulit country.

So kenpachi goes bankia which is another 10x and hes about as strong sas holy form Gerard. Geard then gets another holy form which 10x stronger thab the last.

Yhwach then aborbes V3 geard and ichigo still cutt him in half. While heavily fatigued and no hollowfication

Ichgio wayy out stats this guy

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Jigen is not beating Ichigo ,the only reason Naruto/Sasuke beats Ichigo is because of their immense versatility when compared to Ichigo and the only reason Jigen beat the ninja duo is because of thier bad Compatibility with his fighting style.

k explain, how is ichigo countering his unseeable size rods and himself? plus how is ichigo escaping his seal if jigen decides to BFR him inside his seal?

it's like people don't understand compatibility and just go with ABC logic even when it don't fit. for example-Jigen has nothing he Can do to Someone like Bankai Yama-ji due to bad compatibility, Ichigo >>> Yama-ji So I guess Ichigo solos Naruto/Sasuke. Wrong.

lol jigen BFR yama inside his seal, gg and can just shoot multiple unseeable tiny rods into ichigo's skin and expand, gg

All Jigen has is physicals and his shrinking ability(for now). Jigen is not beating Ichigo with pure physicals alone and neither is a single bleach or Naruto character from the entire cast beating Ichigo with physicals alone.

true but cant jigen shrink to an unseeable size and go behind ichigo to man handle him and eventually kills him with his city+ lvl AP punch?, unless ichigo has city+ tanking which i doubt

OT : 1st round could go either way

Ichigo takes second round high diff.

base jigen was enough to beat both naruto and sasuke, he wont need it for ichigo plus u havent explained how ichigo fights something he cant see and how is he goin to escape from jigen's seal

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#111  Edited By Saxz

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1. Shinigami have the ability to detect souls, so the only reason Jigen isn't getting detected or seen here is if he ceases to have a soul. And then there's Reikaku which when used at a high level increases your extrasensory awareness, Ichigo was taught to fight without his eyesight during the fullbring arc. A clearer example of Reikaku prowess would be Tosen who became a captain despite being blind. So in short being microscopic is nothing when you can fight blind.

2. That's wrong for two reasons a). Jigen can't come close to Bankai Yama to attempt a BFR like he did with Naruto.

b). You should Have learnt by now not to use BFR as an argument against most bleach character, it won't work because everyone and their mother can open holes in space and cross dimensions.

3. City+ AP? While I do think Jigen is higher than that,but No Ichigo durability is way higher,even a less powerful Yama has technically swallowed an explosion that could wipe out Multiple cities. Kenpachi has taken V2 Gerard sword straight to the head and got back up. V1 Gerard can beat and physically oppress shikai Ken who shattered Gremmy's meteor.

Ichigo scale above these guys.

4.Just because he can beat Naruto and Sasuke, doesn't mean he can defeat everyone Naruto and Sasuke is capable of defeating, that's the only thing you guys are basing your arguments on and that ABC logic is wrong. Naruto and Sasuke primary fighting style is using high level Jutsu and most of their AP scale from those high level Jutsu and most of their groundbreaking AP,skill and versatility scale from those energy Jutsus. This is why Naruto/Sasuke is placed above Ichigo and rightfully so, however during their battle Jigen with Karma absorption restricted most of those abilities and PIS restricted the rest. I don't believe a Taijutsu-only restricted Naruto and Sasuke is beating Ichigo considering Ichigo outclasses them in that particular department,This is why Jigen is not beating Ichigo. Because Jigen doesn't have pure physical stat feats-either in casual physical strength, speed, endurance, blunt-sharp durability or otherwise that puts him above Ichigo.

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Jigen solostomps bleach.

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#114  Edited By SagaTheLegend

Lmao at Jigen soloing Bleach. He still loses to Ichigo.

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Lol.... Nice joke I had a good laugh.

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@mygod000 said:
@epichotflame said:
@mygod000 said:

@epichotflame:

Okay look directly at the statements they are basically identical, except for like a few words.

MOMOSHIKI'S Statement:

No Caption Provided

nice, the scan above proves momo's tbb >>>>juubi's for being able to shake the earth the earth with the shockwaves

Stated that This power was beyond Human comprehension.

VS

incomplete 2nd Form Juubi:

No Caption Provided

Stated that Juubi causes natural disasters, and that it uses Immeasurable amount of Chakra, with wide effects range and immense destructive power. The Last Line says It's an Attack That Exceeds Mankind's Knowledge, too much for humans to handle.

nice is this from the web novel or light novel? it still doesnt prove its continental tho but it sure is country lvl if it uses it in its final form

Momoshiki didn't shake the earth, if he did Naruto would have felt something like that as well as Sasuke.

ooh

The Juubi power is stated to be immeasurable, Momoshiki's isn't. Clearly Juubi>>Momoshiki. Momoshiki's attack that "Shake the world" only blow the 8 tails legs off, which is something 1 form Juubi did killer bee as well.

lol tailed beast have high durability tho, so using that is a bad example but k

Also, that Juubi didn't even have 8 or the 9 tails, only pieces of it chakra. 9 tails in the manga you showed stated the Juubi power can swallow the ocean which is easily multi-Continental level feat the Ocean coves like 70% of earth.

yh i know that feat is continental, juubi was splitting lands and carrying mountains across the continent

My point was that 2nd form incomplete Juubi has same statements as Momoshiki. yes, this is from the light novel. More over it stated that the Juubi can destroy the planet as well.

cool, can u show me the part that said juubi can destroy the planet, i need to save that...yh juubi is really underrated tbh, his incomplete 2nd form as spamming city bursting tbbs and his tenpechii created a city sized crater with hill lvl depth, in his complete final form, its country burster- continental lvl of devastation

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1. Shinigami have the ability to detect souls, so the only reason Jigen isn't getting detected or seen here is if he ceases to have a soul. And then there's Reikaku which when used at a high level increases your extrasensory awareness, Ichigo was taught to fight without his eyesight during the fullbring arc. A clearer example of Reikaku prowess would be Tosen who became a captain despite being blind. So in short being microscopic is nothing when you can fight blind.

lol yh sure, they can detect all they want, they still aint seeing the exact spot he's at, naruto was able to sense the entire battlefield across the country during the great ninja war and couldnt sense jigen, naruto's sensory>>ichigo's...huh? fighting someone normal size when blind is easier than fighting someone thats an atom when blind, the blind person can sense thats wats helping him fight but he cant tell the exact spot where an atom is, even sasuke with ems hard trouble looking for jigen when he immediately shrunk

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2. That's wrong for two reasons a). Jigen can't come close to Bankai Yama to attempt a BFR like he did with Naruto.

true but who says jigen cant shrink and sneak behind yama and bfr him while unseeable?

b). You should Have learnt by now not to use BFR as an argument against most bleach character, it won't work because everyone and their mother can open holes in space and cross dimensions.

lol i know, but this bfr is different cuz he is BFRing them inside his SEAL, ichigo cant escape nor break it when its closed, when its open yh he can escape but not when its closed

3. City+ AP? While I do think Jigen is higher than that,but No Ichigo durability is way higher,even a less powerful Yama has technically swallowed an explosion that could wipe out Multiple cities. Kenpachi has taken V2 Gerard sword straight to the head and got back up. V1 Gerard can beat and physically oppress shikai Ken who shattered Gremmy's meteor.

can i see the multiple cities explosion yama tanked? when u said took v2 gerard's sword, do u mean it injured him and he got back up or it did 0 dmg? can i also see gremmy's meteorite forgot how big it was

Ichigo scale above these guys.

4.Just because he can beat Naruto and Sasuke, doesn't mean he can defeat everyone Naruto and Sasuke is capable of defeating,

it basically does, tho cuz he didnt even go final form and still smacked them with ease

that's the only thing you guys are basing your arguments on and that ABC logic is wrong. Naruto and Sasuke primary fighting style is using high level Jutsu and most of their AP scale from those high level Jutsu and most of their groundbreaking AP,skill and versatility scale from those energy Jutsus. This is why Naruto/Sasuke is placed above Ichigo and rightfully so, however during their battle Jigen with Karma absorption restricted most of those abilities and PIS restricted the rest. I don't believe a Taijutsu-only restricted Naruto and Sasuke is beating Ichigo considering Ichigo outclasses them in that particular department,

lol what? ichigo without his sword is weak asf, naruto and sasuke are trained martial artists

This is why Jigen is not beating Ichigo. Because Jigen doesn't have pure physical stat feats-either in casual physical strength,

he has CASUAL city+ AP punches>>>ichigo's strength

speed,

he has been casually evading and blocking blitzing attacks from both naruto and sasuke at the same time, naruto has better speed feat than ichigo

endurance,

his vessel was basically bout to break but still beat up naruto and sasuke like fodders

blunt-sharp durability

none for now but his unseeable shrinking size+his speed is dodging any slashes from ichigo

or otherwise that puts him above Ichigo.

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@saxz: Wasn't joking, but no idea why you find my post funny. Now, what feats does anyone from bleach have to say they're taking a single attack from Jigen?

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Jigen mid diffed naruto and sasuke. Because they lack physicals.

LMFAO!! Jigen broke PS (casual city+ tanker) in base form with a CASUAL punch, thats >>>>ichigo's strength

Someone like suppressed shikia kenpachi would out stat naruto and sasuke. Unless they use their avatars.

cool but cant outstat jigen even in base

Naruto got one shotted by a Giant biju bomb from mommo which was around island level.

huh? when? naruto's fucking 1 TAILED CHAKRA CLOAK took a city bursting attack with 0 dmg, y would momo's tbb even scratch spsm naruto

So narutos stats and durability cap at island+. If he puts all his power in one attack he can be contentail for one move.

naruto's durability caps at moon lvl, he tanked a senjutsu chakra infused truth seeker orb moon slicer and later blocked the moon lvl blast from toneri

That being said suppressed shikia kenpachi can pull off island level to country level feats so. When he removes his eyepatch he gets 5 to 10x stronger. Gerard beat full shikai2 kenpachi who should be mulit country.

that meteorite feat barely made it at city lvl, i dont think the meteorite was as big as the city there were in, btw did kenny slice it or destroyed it? lol the high ball "multi country" with only at max city lvl feat

So kenpachi goes bankia which is another 10x and hes about as strong sas holy form Gerard. Geard then gets another holy form which 10x stronger thab the last.

lol wats with all these assumptive amounts, how do u know it was 10x stronger

Yhwach then aborbes V3 geard and ichigo still cutt him in half. While heavily fatigued and no hollowfication

he cuts yhwach in half cuz of the time gap he had...cool, base jigen at his limit (about to break) still fucked up naruto and sasuke with ease, naruto and sasuke fucks up ichigo with ease, see the difference?

Ichgio wayy out stats this guy

*in his imagination*

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Also scales to Yhwach's durability since he was going to survive the destruction of the Soul Society anyway.

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@sagathelegend: Wasn't he himself doing that destruction? And he didn't have to survive it he could've just revived himself. Either way, surviving a planet level explosion is nothing to Boruto top tiers. Even base Momoshiki could casually go around and one shot planets

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@mygod000 said:
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@mygod000 said:
@epichotflame said:
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@epichotflame:

Okay look directly at the statements they are basically identical, except for like a few words.

MOMOSHIKI'S Statement:

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nice, the scan above proves momo's tbb >>>>juubi's for being able to shake the earth the earth with the shockwaves

Stated that This power was beyond Human comprehension.

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incomplete 2nd Form Juubi:

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Stated that Juubi causes natural disasters, and that it uses Immeasurable amount of Chakra, with wide effects range and immense destructive power. The Last Line says It's an Attack That Exceeds Mankind's Knowledge, too much for humans to handle.

nice is this from the web novel or light novel? it still doesnt prove its continental tho but it sure is country lvl if it uses it in its final form

Momoshiki didn't shake the earth, if he did Naruto would have felt something like that as well as Sasuke.

ooh

The Juubi power is stated to be immeasurable, Momoshiki's isn't. Clearly Juubi>>Momoshiki. Momoshiki's attack that "Shake the world" only blow the 8 tails legs off, which is something 1 form Juubi did killer bee as well.

lol tailed beast have high durability tho, so using that is a bad example but k

Also, that Juubi didn't even have 8 or the 9 tails, only pieces of it chakra. 9 tails in the manga you showed stated the Juubi power can swallow the ocean which is easily multi-Continental level feat the Ocean coves like 70% of earth.

yh i know that feat is continental, juubi was splitting lands and carrying mountains across the continent

My point was that 2nd form incomplete Juubi has same statements as Momoshiki. yes, this is from the light novel. More over it stated that the Juubi can destroy the planet as well.

cool, can u show me the part that said juubi can destroy the planet, i need to save that...yh juubi is really underrated tbh, his incomplete 2nd form as spamming city bursting tbbs and his tenpechii created a city sized crater with hill lvl depth, in his complete final form, its country burster- continental lvl of devastation

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ooh bringing the world to an end doesnt necessarily mean it can destroy the world, it can also mean destroying everyone and thing on the planet

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Also scales to Yhwach's durability since he was going to survive the destruction of the Soul Society anyway.

LMFAO u scaled yhwach who is above ichigo? bad scaling, till ichigo has shown above city+ lvl durability, he isnt surviving 1 punch from jigen

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@mattyboi: Lol, the novel feat

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@sagathelegend: Wasn't he himself doing that destruction?

  • Yes, he did all destruction.

And he didn't have to survive it he could've just revived himself.

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  • That could have been a possibility, if Yhwach wasn't destroying the Soul Society with his power and if we didn't know that Reiatsu is used for both defensive and offensive purposes. Saying he needed to revive himself is pure speculation in my opinion. He had the power to destroy it and was confident enought to survive that destruction even before he showcased the Almighty's ressurrection abilities. This level of power is consistent with Yamamoto's passive Soul Society destruction statements,
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  • Since he already had absorbed all quincies with the exception of a few, and no quincy would probably be left after ressurrection via Aushwalen also wasn't a possibility.

Either way, surviving a planet level explosion is nothing to Boruto top tiers. Even base Momoshiki could casually go around and one shot planets

  • Oh yeah the novel feat, keep in mind that Kaguya needed the ETBS to do that level of destruction and that Momoshiki was out of offensive techniques in the anime from what I remember, so I don't think this scales to Jigen at all.
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Also scales to Yhwach's durability since he was going to survive the destruction of the Soul Society anyway.

LMFAO u scaled yhwach who is above ichigo? bad scaling, till ichigo has shown above city+ lvl durability, he isnt surviving 1 punch from jigen

  • Him surviving attacks from Yhwach already makes his durability far highter than City level. Yhwach's attacks operate on a planetary scale, soul society and the worlds were going to crumble due to his power.
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  • Yhwach concluded that the bankai was powerful and he was afraid of it, that was why he opted to break it into the future.
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  • Not sure what you mean by SK Yhwach > Ichigo when Ichigo's Gran Rey Cero blitzed Yhwach and Ichigo was completely unharmed until Yhwach started using the Almighty, Ichigo's power is so great it was considered formidable by a planet buster , that opted to use hax instead of raw power to deal with him, so your argument here doesn't stand.

Ichigo scales to Yhwach, that is simple to understand.

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Also scales to Yhwach's durability since he was going to survive the destruction of the Soul Society anyway.

LMFAO u scaled yhwach who is above ichigo? bad scaling, till ichigo has shown above city+ lvl durability, he isnt surviving 1 punch from jigen

  • Him surviving attacks from Yhwach already makes his durability far highter than City level. Yhwach's attacks operate on a planetary scale, soul society and the worlds were going to crumble due to his power.
  • that feat isnt even a DC feat, he was merging them not destroying them lol, showing 1 feat from an attack doesnt = his whole move set to be planetary, anyways, the attack he used on ichigo, has it shown anything above bursting even a mountain lol, all he did was snap his zanpakto
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  • Yhwach concluded that the bankai was powerful and he was afraid of it, that was why he opted to break it into the future
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  • Not sure what you mean by SK Yhwach > Ichigo when Ichigo's Gran Rey Cero blitzed Yhwach and Ichigo was completely unharmed until Yhwach started using the Almighty, Ichigo's power is so great it was considered formidable by a planet buster ,

cool, jigen in base kicked naruto and sasuke's ass, naruto and sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>ichigo....he never bursted any planet, just merging them

that opted to use hax instead of raw power to deal with him, so your argument here doesn't stand.

hax still beats raw power anytime, still havent shown me ichigo's multi city tanking feat, what u showed me was yhwach merging planet and ichigo's sword being broken

Ichigo scales to Yhwach, that is simple to understand.

then y did he have trouble fighting yhwach? y did he need assistance from even another villian, trynna scale ichigo to yhwach when ichigo hasnt beaten yhwach 1 v1 lol, u only scale to ppl ichigo is stronger than not ppl above him

OT: jigen in base form shrinks, appears behind him and kicks him then shoots him with multiple microscopic rods that expands after it hits, ichigo becomes immobolized from the rod and jigen either snaps his neck with his fingers or leaves him in his seal, gg

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LMFAO multiversal naruto? even kaguya isnt multiversal

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  • Oh yeah the novel feat, keep in mind that Kaguya needed the ETBS to do that level of destruction and that Momoshiki was out of offensive techniques in the anime from what I remember, so I don't think this scales to Jigen at all.
  • thats to show how strong momo is compared to kaguya, it scales to jigen or should i say isshiki cuz he is currently the otsutsuki above the others.....both momo and kaguya are star lvl, by scaling isshiki is above star lvl
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ooh bringing the world to an end doesnt necessarily mean it can destroy the world, it can also mean destroying everyone and thing on the planet

I mean consider in the Naruto the Last movie Novel Hagoromo stated the Juubi actually can end the world. to threatens the world Demise means to end it. Since a weak incomplete Juubi can spam Multi-Continentals that can swallow Seas and oceans I tend to take it seriously.

Also, Adult Hagoromo and Hamura>>>>Adult Naruto and Sasuke. and Naruto and Sasuke were able to smack Momoshiki. even Naruto 2 years after the War isn't even close to Hamura's power, Toneri stated he would need the Byakugan clusters+all of Naruto's chakra and combine it with his own Chakra to get anywhere near Hamura's level. Naruto at full power in the last is only 1/3rd of Hamura's power

Adult Naruto from Boruto is only slightly more powerful than Naruto from the last.

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lol yh sure, they can detect all they want, they still aint seeing the exact spot he's at, naruto was able to sense the entire battlefield across the country during the great ninja war and couldnt sense jigen, naruto's sensory>>ichigo's...huh?

Who knows?? Maybe Naruto's emotional sensing is not as battle applicable as we thought it was, maybe it cant pinpoint exact location of things in battle just a general area or maybe it's a PIS nerf-cuz Naruto has being able to sense things completely absent from a space before, so microscopic size shouldn't have mattered(it makes no sense that it did).Anyway that's an Antifeat or limitation for Naruto's sensing and a Nerf on his part and has no bearing on Ichigo's already established abilities.

Back to my point, Tousen can fight blind, he can parry attacks while blind, he can dodge attacks and projectiles all while blind. Being microscopic or being giant sized would make no difference because he can't see him either way because he doesn't see with eyes yet pinpointed exact locations of things in battle, that's the prowess of Reikaku and it doesn't have the limitations you are trying to oppose on it as of yet.

fighting someone normal size when blind is easier than fighting someone thats an atom when blind, the blind person can sense thats wats helping him fight but he cant tell the exact spot where an atom is,

Jigen is not an atom, he is microscopic, I know it looks like same difference but the difference is astronomical. Yeah its a bit harder to fight a microscopic person but its not any harder to detect them when you aren't using your normal senses. Look how easy Sasuke was able to detect and counter Jigen by using his sharingan extrasensory abilities.

even sasuke with ems hard trouble looking for jigen when he immediately shrunk

And he was able to use magnification with his sharingan to see him. So Jigen is still right there and privy to the senses just too small to see with the naked eye, which again, doesn't matter to Someone blind. Ichigo would be able to see his soul as clear as day.

true but who says jigen cant shrink and sneak behind yama and bfr him while unseeable?

He gets burnt passively, seen or not. This is Bankai Yama

lol i know, but this bfr is different cuz he is BFRing them inside his SEAL, ichigo cant escape nor break it when its closed, when its open yh he can escape but not when its closed.

Well for now the seal just look like kinda like a pot which get shrinks and sealed I still don't see how a space ability doesn't bypass it,and its very likely the case considering how weary Jigen was of Sasuke's space-time ninjutsu and opt to kill him instead of sealing him like Naruto. Also From the way it looked you have to incapacitate your opponent first otherwise no-one is foolish or slow enough to get sealed in that.

can i see the multiple cities explosion yama tanked?

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I know you're probably going to probe at the fact that Aizen said a Tiny town, but Karakura is a town in name only and it's comfortably a city both with its size and population Aizen was just stressing how the explosion was so powerful it could cause destruction greater than this tiny town they stood on.

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That's the shot of Karakura town from different angles vaporising and reducing an area many times this size should approaching at least small country levels but this feat is usually slept on.

when u said took v2 gerard' sword,do u mean it injured him and he got back up or it did 0 dmg?

Kenpachi was already injured all over prior to getting hit(most from his Bankai) so its hard to tell how much damage he sustained, but yeah he took damage from a direct hit from v2 Gerard sword to the face while he was off guard but still got up.

can i also see gremmy's meteorite forgot how big it was

Quite big approaching 1/3 of seireitei.

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it basically does, tho cuz he didnt even go final form and still smacked them with ease

Hmm? What's his final form.?. I was talking more like compatibility though

lol what? ichigo without his sword is weak asf, naruto and sasuke are trained martial artists

I obviously meant with his sword dude, by Taijutsu battle I meant a fight without energy blast just H2H/weapons.

he has CASUAL city+ AP punches>>>ichigo's strength

Not even close, Ichigo casual physical feat are greater than any casual physical feat in the verse.

he has been casually evading and blocking blitzing attacks from both naruto and sasuke at the same time, naruto has better speed feat than ichigo

Again not even close. How is Naruto faster Than Ichigo ,with what feat exactly?

his vessel was basically bout to break but still beat up naruto and sasuke like fodders

OK that doesn't speak much about his endurance, it speaks less. And like I explained fodderizing the duo ninjutsu restricted and plot restricted is not that impressive as you're making it out to be.

none for now but his unseeable shrinking size+his speed is dodging any slashes from ichigo

Yeah Ichigo is comfortably above Naruto/Sasuke in speed, it's one of the only stat I could confidently say he surpasses them.

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Low gravity doesn't "cause" you to fly, it allows you to. If the rock is moving upwards, it will continue to move up for a prolong amount of time unlike on Earth it will just drop back down almost immediately. But it will still drop back down eventually because gravity isn't zero. For Naruto, he is still dropping down, but at a very slow rate that he seem like he's basically floating. For Hinata or anyone that is on the ground, they can float if they jump, but if they don't that's fine too.

it supposed to cause u to float, yes? if someone's on the moon, any slightest step will cause u to float a little but hinata and even kurama and the gedo was perfectly on the ground while fighting, explain that aswell, naruto and toneri were flew higher and was fighting faster

Once again you missed my point. Don't you get it? Who cares why Hinata didn't float? Even the rocks in the VERY same scene could float. That already means Naruto may not be flying. YOU should be the one proving that Naruto can fly, not ME to prove why Hinata or Kurama didn't. Why do I have to explain everything to you when that's not even what we are debating about? Show me that Naruto can "fly" where and when rocks couldn't. It's that simple!

And even though I just explained to you how he could "fly", I don't have to. The fact that he isn't in SPSM is already enough to prove that he wasn't using Six Paths Senjutsu. He can fly all he want, that only means he could fly without Six Paths Senjutsu. It's not as if Six Paths Senjutsu is the only way to fly in the entire Narutoverse.

for naruto, its the only way to fly, naruto has used six path sage mode without cloak, he prolly did the same here, he used six path sage mode and added kurama's chakra on top

Do you even know what you are saying? When Naruto used SPSM with or without cloak, there are no red pigmentation around his eyes. Here in the Last he has the red pigmentation so that's BSM without six paths. He didn't do the SAME here, he did the opposite of activating the cloak but not Six Paths. I suggest you go read up on Naruto's forms because you don't seem to have any idea what you are talking about.

No Kakashi and Sasuke are not the same. When Obito possesses Kakashi, he lend the MS themselves, cause Obito's chakra can't possibly evolve Kakashi's normal eye into MS. For Sasuke, he only received the seal only,

true but he lost the seal for the sixpath ct, that was what the seal was meant for, in the first place....lol still have to explain how sasuke still has his tomoe rinnegan, if they truely lost their sixpath powers and another thing, i dont think naruto would have survived toneri's senjutsu infused tso if he didnt have sixpaths

which produces Six Paths Chakra that evolves his EMS to Rinnegan. Hagoromo only took back what he lent which is the seal

good thing u know

, but the eye that evolved into Rinnegan was originally Sasuke's, so he still has his (evolved) eye because the eye itself weren't given by Hagoromo, only the seal that produced the chakra that evolved the eye.

when did the seal produce the chakra, another assumption

But Kakashi's MS weren't evolved from his normal eyes because that's just impossible, Obito must have given the MS themselves.

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Once again you manage to miss my point. Hagoromo didn't GIVE HIM THE RINNEGAN. He gave him the SEAL, which generates Six Paths Chakra, which evolved Sasuke's EMS into a Rinnegan. Hagoromo took back the seal, but not the Six Paths Chakra it generated, and certainly not the Rinnegan that was evolved from Sasuke's OWN EMS. That's different from Obito because Kakashi's MS is clearly NOT evolved from his own normal eyes, but directly given to him! Reread again if you don't understand because this is the best I can do on explaining such a simple thing.

< Here's your evidence of the seal producing chakra. Kaguya could see chakra with her Byakugan. In fact she could even identify these chakra to be the same as Hagoromo and Hamura (the previous page, go read the chapter yourself).

Of course he can use Six Paths Senjutsu in the BASE SPSM (without cloak). But we are talking about Bijuu Sage Mode, the mode with the cloak, but NON SIX PATHS. As long as he has reg pigmentation, it means non six paths and he can't use six paths jutsu, with or without the kyuubi cloak.

sixpaths is the only form i have seen naruto fly in, so im just gonna straight up say, naruto used sixpath sage mode then added his kurama cloak on top plus we not even sure if that was bsm...wym, reg pigmentation? ooh yh u just reminded me that sage mode has red pigmentation around his eyes while six paths senjutsu doesnt, ultimate proof, he still has his spsm and used it against jigen but he didnt use it against toneri, so yh naruto never lost his spsm, y do ppl even think that tho?

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Bruh he has red pigmentation in The Last. Why you show me Adult? Since when did I say Adult not having SPSM? Can you read and not waste my time. And before you say Adult Naruto having SPSM means The Last Naruto have SPSM, that's BS because there's more than one way Naruto could get it back AFTER what happened in The Last. Which I'll not get into because if I do you will miss my point again.

Yes he didn't have Hagoromo's Chakra in The Last, which is precisely why he didn't go into SPSM.

he never had it in the first place , he had ashura's, anyways i have debunked all this "not having spsm" bullshit above

Because he didn't have Six Paths Chakra at that time, unlike in Shippuden where he got Six Paths Chakra Chakra from the seal Hagoromo gave.

another assumption...when did the seal give them chakra? it was meant for sealing not providing chakra

After the seal returned to Hagoromo, there are still some Six Paths Chakra left in his body, which is why he could still use SPSM in VOTE2. But after the fight with Sasuke he completely exhausted all that chakra, so he go back to having only Ashura's Chakra again, which is non-six paths.

he never had hagoromo's chakra in the first place, unless u can show me where it said, naruto doesnt have the sun seal in base, it appears when he enters spsm

However at the end of the movie, you can see Hinata sharing her Hamura chakra with Naruto. This is a possible reason how Naruto got back SPSM as an adult, but that's another story.

hmm yes as u said, its assumption

Point being in The Last Movie: Naruto didn't have Six Paths Chakra, and couldn't use Six Paths Senjutsu even if he wanted to.

ur right he didnt need it against toneri cuz he needed it more for jigen than toneri

It makes no sense for him to hold back when Toneri literally rekt his ass, robbed his girlfriend and preparing to destroy the entire world. Naruto was racing against time to stop him so even if he somehow know that this mode is enough, he would've wanted it to end as early as possible. He's no Madara who likes to play around at the end of the world.

k but he still beat his ass with bsm tho, spsm would be overkill for toneri

This is like saying before you take a national exam, you know exactly how much you need to study to BARELY passed the exam. And that's after you screwed up the smaller tests that came before this.

Naruto screwed up by letting Toneri thrashed him and stealing Hinata away. And when Naruto's trying to stop Toneri from destroying the world, he held back???? Yes in the end he managed to stop Toneri but BARELY in time, but how is Naruto suppose to know this BEFORE the fight? And even if he do know, wouldn't he want to thrash Toneri, get Hinata out of her cage and stop the world destroying bomb ASAP instead of just barely? Please think about this properly because it's as if I'm explaining common sense to a small child again and again and I'm tired.

And everything you said above.... sigh you are just missing my point again.

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@epichotflame: soul society is 10 day walk. A 10 day walk. Which is 720 miles thats at least large country so kenapchi in just supressed shikia is large counrty

When kenpachi removes his eye pacth its another 10x increase could be even more because myuri said his bloddwar eye patch supressed his power even more. Then he has a bankai which is yet another 10x. So kenpachi can be multi conntental to even moon level.

Ichigo is like 2 leauges above bankia kenpachi. And was matching yhwach at pnly 10% power.

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Jigen should win round 1 and stomp round 2

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lol yh sure, they can detect all they want, they still aint seeing the exact spot he's at, naruto was able to sense the entire battlefield across the country during the great ninja war and couldnt sense jigen, naruto's sensory>>ichigo's...huh?

Who knows?? Maybe Naruto's emotional sensing is not as battle applicable as we thought it was, maybe it cant pinpoint exact location of things in battle just a general area or maybe it's a PIS nerf-cuz Naruto has being able to sense things completely absent from a space before, so microscopic size shouldn't have mattered(it makes no sense that it did).Anyway that's an Antifeat or limitation for Naruto's sensing and a Nerf on his part and has no bearing on Ichigo's already established abilities.

Back to my point, Tousen can fight blind, he can parry attacks while blind, he can dodge attacks and projectiles all while blind. Being microscopic or being giant sized would make no difference because he can't see him either way because he doesn't see with eyes yet pinpointed exact locations of things in battle, that's the prowess of Reikaku and it doesn't have the limitations you are trying to oppose on it as of yet.

lol unless ur saying they can pinpoint where an atom is, which is impossible unless they have a special eye or some shit or shown feats of doin that

fighting someone normal size when blind is easier than fighting someone thats an atom when blind, the blind person can sense thats wats helping him fight but he cant tell the exact spot where an atom is,

Jigen is not an atom, he is microscopic, I know it looks like same difference but the difference is astronomical. Yeah its a bit harder to fight a microscopic person but its not any harder to detect them when you aren't using your normal senses. Look how easy Sasuke was able to detect and counter Jigen by using his sharingan extrasensory abilities.

lol sasuke never countered it, he was too fast and small for sasuke. Sasuke could have literally tried to stab him immediately he shrunk, if sasuke with ems had trouble getting him, i doubt ichigo would ....jigen/isshiki's able is to control the size he shrinks matter, when he uses it, its like he disappeared completely

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even sasuke with ems hard trouble looking for jigen when he immediately shrunk

And he was able to use magnification with his sharingan to see him. So Jigen is still right there and privy to the senses just too small to see with the naked eye, which again, doesn't matter to Someone blind. Ichigo would be able to see his soul as clear as day.

yh he can be sensed but sensing him, is not knowing where someone as small as an atom is, lol u cant see someone's soul if the soul is the same size as the microscopic sized person.... ichigo wonders whats goin on and dies due to him trynna process whats happening

true but who says jigen cant shrink and sneak behind yama and bfr him while unseeable?

He gets burnt passively, seen or not. This is Bankai Yama

lol, unless u show me yama's passive heat burning up something strong enough to pierce kurama's chakra mode (just 4 tailed chakra cloak was able to tank kusanagi which was stated by orochimaru to be able to slice diamonds) kurama mode>>>>4 tailed chakra cloak, so i doubt yama's passive heat burns the rod

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and i doubt his passive heats does anything to jigen when he tanked amaterasu which is able to burn absolutely anything physical (it was shown to burn out fire itself) except chakra, only thing is amaterasu burns as fast as normal flames but still hot enough to burn out fire, thats >>>>>yama's passive heat

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lol i know, but this bfr is different cuz he is BFRing them inside his SEAL, ichigo cant escape nor break it when its closed, when its open yh he can escape but not when its closed.

Well for now the seal just look like kinda like a pot which get shrinks and sealed I still don't see how a space ability doesn't bypass it,and its very likely the case considering how weary Jigen was of Sasuke's space-time ninjutsu and opt to kill him instead of sealing him like Naruto. Also From the way it looked you have to incapacitate your opponent first otherwise no-one is foolish or slow enough to get sealed in that.

yes it looks like a pot (kinda), its not sealed if its open (so ofc teleportation abilities can escape and come back) but when jigen closes it, it sealed, he does that to ichigo, gg

can i see the multiple cities explosion yama tanked?

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I know you're probably going to probe at the fact that Aizen said a Tiny town,

lol u know me so well, its like we have known each other for so long XD

but Karakura is a town in name only and it's comfortably a city both with its size and population Aizen was just stressing how the explosion was so powerful it could cause destruction greater than this tiny town they stood on.

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That's the shot of Karakura town from different angles vaporising and reducing an area many times this size should approaching at least small country levels but this feat is usually slept on.

hmmm, nice nice, but u know from the scan, yama barely tanked it, tanking is when u take 0 dmg (no single bruise or any shit is on ur body), 1 tailed chakra cloak on naruto and the whole shinobi alliance took no fucking single dmg from a city burster, PS's defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 tailed chakra cloak's and jigen mocked PS defense and broke it with a CASUAL punch...PS defense would be atleast country lvl, the fact that naruto used attacks (sixpath tailed beast rasen shuriken) stronger than his country bursting tbb rasen shuriken on PS and their avatars took 0 dmg, country lvl AP punch>>>>>multi city lvl durability, jigen still kills ichigo with 1 punch

when u said took v2 gerard' sword,do u mean it injured him and he got back up or it did 0 dmg?

Kenpachi was already injured all over prior to getting hit(most from his Bankai) so its hard to tell how much damage he sustained, but yeah he took damage from a direct hit from v2 Gerard sword to the face while he was off guard but still got up.

cool, that doesnt count as tanking tho, it just shows how much endurance he has

can i also see gremmy's meteorite forgot how big it was

Quite big approaching 1/3 of seireitei.

was expecting it to cover the whole city but its decently large tho, btw did kenny slice it or destroy the meteorite?

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it basically does, tho cuz he didnt even go final form and still smacked them with ease

Hmm? What's his final form.?. I was talking more like compatibility though

ooh my mistake, just re checked the manga, jigen used his final form at the end during the PS and Kurama mode vs Otsutsuki mode Jigen, his final form is the one where he grows isshiki's horn

lol what? ichigo without his sword is weak asf, naruto and sasuke are trained martial artists

I obviously meant with his sword dude, by Taijutsu battle I meant a fight without energy blast just H2H/weapons.

oooh....and sasuke's kusanagi sword is a diamond slicer and naruto could use his kurama's tail as a weapon

he has CASUAL city+ AP punches>>>ichigo's strength

Not even close, Ichigo casual physical feat are greater than any casual physical feat in the verse.

can u show me ichigo's casual strength surpassing jigen's casual country lvl AP punch (just realized sasuke's PS tanked naruto's attack stronger than his tailed beast rasen shuriken country burster country burster in mid air)

he has been casually evading and blocking blitzing attacks from both naruto and sasuke at the same time, naruto has better speed feat than ichigo

Again not even close. How is Naruto faster Than Ichigo ,with what feat exactly?

he reacted to light speed attack, his body has to be atleast relativistic+ in speed (50% light speed) to dodge that, 50% kurama naruto's raw speed with kcm on (not bijuu mode), was being confused with minato's ftg's instant teleportation, remember this is 50% kurama naruto's irrelevant mode cuz naruto hasnt used this mode ever since he got bijuu mode, naruto with 100% kurama, spsm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>50% kurma kcm...ichigo isnt just comparable to 100% kurama spsm speed at all...and same jigen was blitzing, evading and blocking 100% spsm naruto and sasuke casually at the same time

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his vessel was basically bout to break but still beat up naruto and sasuke like fodders

OK that doesn't speak much about his endurance, it speaks less. And like I explained fodderizing the duo ninjutsu restricted and plot restricted is not that impressive as you're making it out to be.

he fodderized their avatar forms also which is enough to smack ichigo around with no attacks (u forgot how tailed beasts could casually rip mountains with their roar and tail swipes alone)and survive any tiny attack ichigo decides to use on them...so yh its still impressive

none for now but his unseeable shrinking size+his speed is dodging any slashes from ichigo

Yeah Ichigo is comfortably above Naruto/Sasuke in speed, it's one of the only stat I could confidently say he surpasses them.

LMFAO!!! debunked above, at best ichigo will be comparable in speed with 50% kurama naruto's bsm, 100% spsm would be too unfair

also, u know how u asked for piercing durability, well here it is, just found it, this is jigen casually tanking a kusanaji sword (diamond cutter) slash through his neck, it couldnt budge his neck

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Low gravity doesn't "cause" you to fly, it allows you to. If the rock is moving upwards, it will continue to move up for a prolong amount of time unlike on Earth it will just drop back down almost immediately. But it will still drop back down eventually because gravity isn't zero. For Naruto, he is still dropping down, but at a very slow rate that he seem like he's basically floating. For Hinata or anyone that is on the ground, they can float if they jump, but if they don't that's fine too.

it supposed to cause u to float, yes? if someone's on the moon, any slightest step will cause u to float a little but hinata and even kurama and the gedo was perfectly on the ground while fighting, explain that aswell, naruto and toneri were flew higher and was fighting faster

Once again you missed my point. Don't you get it? Who cares why Hinata didn't float? Even the rocks in the VERY same scene could float.

That already means Naruto may not be flying. YOU should be the one proving that Naruto can fly, not ME to prove why Hinata or Kurama didn't. Why do I have to explain everything to you when that's not even what we are debating about? Show me that Naruto can "fly" where and when rocks couldn't. It's that simple!

nevermind actually, u may be right, it was prolly due to gravity

And even though I just explained to you how he could "fly", I don't have to. The fact that he isn't in SPSM is already enough to prove that he wasn't using Six Paths Senjutsu. He can fly all he want, that only means he could fly without Six Paths Senjutsu. It's not as if Six Paths Senjutsu is the only way to fly in the entire Narutoverse.

for naruto, its the only way to fly, naruto has used six path sage mode without cloak, he prolly did the same here, he used six path sage mode and added kurama's chakra on top

Do you even know what you are saying? When Naruto used SPSM with or without cloak, there are no red pigmentation around his eyes. Here in the Last he has the red pigmentation so that's BSM without six paths. He didn't do the SAME here, he did the opposite of activating the cloak but not Six Paths. I suggest you go read up on Naruto's forms because you don't seem to have any idea what you are talking about.

lol calm down bruh, i have said u were right lol

No Kakashi and Sasuke are not the same. When Obito possesses Kakashi, he lend the MS themselves, cause Obito's chakra can't possibly evolve Kakashi's normal eye into MS. For Sasuke, he only received the seal only,

true but he lost the seal for the sixpath ct, that was what the seal was meant for, in the first place....lol still have to explain how sasuke still has his tomoe rinnegan, if they truely lost their sixpath powers and another thing, i dont think naruto would have survived toneri's senjutsu infused tso if he didnt have sixpaths

which produces Six Paths Chakra that evolves his EMS to Rinnegan. Hagoromo only took back what he lent which is the seal

good thing u know

, but the eye that evolved into Rinnegan was originally Sasuke's, so he still has his (evolved) eye because the eye itself weren't given by Hagoromo, only the seal that produced the chakra that evolved the eye.

when did the seal produce the chakra, another assumption

But Kakashi's MS weren't evolved from his normal eyes because that's just impossible, Obito must have given the MS themselves.

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Once again you manage to miss my point. Hagoromo didn't GIVE HIM THE RINNEGAN. He gave him the SEAL, which generates Six Paths Chakra, which evolved Sasuke's EMS into a Rinnegan. Hagoromo took back the seal, but not the Six Paths Chakra it generated, and certainly not the Rinnegan that was evolved from Sasuke's OWN EMS. That's different from Obito because Kakashi's MS is clearly NOT evolved from his own normal eyes, but directly given to him! Reread again if you don't understand because this is the best I can do on explaining such a simple thing.

< Here's your evidence of the seal producing chakra. Kaguya could see chakra with her Byakugan. In fact she could even identify these chakra to be the same as Hagoromo and Hamura (the previous page, go read the chapter yourself).

in the this page of the chpt, it shows the seal glowing (meaning it has power in it), doesnt equal it producing chakra, she reminded them of her sons, not that they have the same chakra as them and she knows hagoromo is the only one sixpaths, so for naruto and sasuke to have it, means it was hagoromo's doing

Of course he can use Six Paths Senjutsu in the BASE SPSM (without cloak). But we are talking about Bijuu Sage Mode, the mode with the cloak, but NON SIX PATHS. As long as he has reg pigmentation, it means non six paths and he can't use six paths jutsu, with or without the kyuubi cloak.

sixpaths is the only form i have seen naruto fly in, so im just gonna straight up say, naruto used sixpath sage mode then added his kurama cloak on top plus we not even sure if that was bsm...wym, reg pigmentation? ooh yh u just reminded me that sage mode has red pigmentation around his eyes while six paths senjutsu doesnt, ultimate proof, he still has his spsm and used it against jigen but he didnt use it against toneri, so yh naruto never lost his spsm, y do ppl even think that tho?

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Bruh he has red pigmentation in The Last. Why you show me Adult? Since when did I say Adult not having SPSM? Can you read and not waste my time. And before you say Adult Naruto having SPSM means The Last Naruto have SPSM, that's BS because there's more than one way Naruto could get it back AFTER what happened in The Last. Which I'll not get into because if I do you will miss my point again.

LOL imma ignore this part

Yes he didn't have Hagoromo's Chakra in The Last, which is precisely why he didn't go into SPSM.

he never had it in the first place , he had ashura's, anyways i have debunked all this "not having spsm" bullshit above

Because he didn't have Six Paths Chakra at that time, unlike in Shippuden where he got Six Paths Chakra Chakra from the seal Hagoromo gave.

another assumption...when did the seal give them chakra? it was meant for sealing not providing chakra

After the seal returned to Hagoromo, there are still some Six Paths Chakra left in his body, which is why he could still use SPSM in VOTE2. But after the fight with Sasuke he completely exhausted all that chakra, so he go back to having only Ashura's Chakra again, which is non-six paths.

he never had hagoromo's chakra in the first place, unless u can show me where it said, naruto doesnt have the sun seal in base, it appears when he enters spsm

However at the end of the movie, you can see Hinata sharing her Hamura chakra with Naruto. This is a possible reason how Naruto got back SPSM as an adult, but that's another story.

hmm yes as u said, its assumption

Point being in The Last Movie: Naruto didn't have Six Paths Chakra, and couldn't use Six Paths Senjutsu even if he wanted to.

ur right he didnt need it against toneri cuz he needed it more for jigen than toneri

It makes no sense for him to hold back when Toneri literally rekt his ass, robbed his girlfriend and preparing to destroy the entire world. Naruto was racing against time to stop him so even if he somehow know that this mode is enough, he would've wanted it to end as early as possible. He's no Madara who likes to play around at the end of the world.

k but he still beat his ass with bsm tho, spsm would be overkill for toneri

This is like saying before you take a national exam, you know exactly how much you need to study to BARELY passed the exam. And that's after you screwed up the smaller tests that came before this.

Naruto screwed up by letting Toneri thrashed him and stealing Hinata away. And when Naruto's trying to stop Toneri from destroying the world, he held back???? Yes in the end he managed to stop Toneri but BARELY in time, but how is Naruto suppose to know this BEFORE the fight? And even if he do know, wouldn't he want to thrash Toneri, get Hinata out of her cage and stop the world destroying bomb ASAP instead of just barely? Please think about this properly because it's as if I'm explaining common sense to a small child again and again and I'm tired.

And everything you said above.... sigh you are just missing my point again.

no im not, i agreed he didnt use spsm in the last cuz clearly he had red pigmentation around his eyes, he was using bsm...but my point was naruto hasnt lost his spsm cuz he still has it as an adult, other thing that we were arguing, dont really care bout them just the "he didnt loose spsm" argument, so nice debating with ya XD

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lol alright then show me LDR city lvl attack

It dwarfs Las Noches, which can't feasibly be smaller than a city. I'm not gonna argue every aspect of the series with you, this is well-known. I'm not bringing you scans or calcs either, they're everywhere so go find a credible one.

huh? naurto is stronger yes but their modes, kurama and full susanoo are on the same level of durability, still dont change the fact that weaker defense like 1 tailed chakra cloak , weaker than susanoo tanked multi city bursters

No, Kurama would shit on every Susanoo in canon-existence; no Susanoo can withstand the bijuudama directly. Naruto is above Sasuke in every sense of the word.

k cool, shunshin is teleportation like movements, and naruto was casually doing it in base in boruto

Yeah, you know nothing. The body-flicker isn't teleportation in any sense of the word and its not even lightning speed. It's not impressive or nearly as fast as flash step, which fodder can use to be subrelativistic-relativistic.

lol whether tiny or huge, vaping a thick mountain is still more impressive than any AP lanza has, lol the WEAKEST form of juubi did that, it not maxing it at only city lvl, later on we see naruto charging up a tbb that had the potential to destroy the surrounding lands around land of fire

'Surrounding lands' isn't much of a range, and it damn sure isn't all of the Earth; un-wank the vaguest comment in NARUTO history. City-mountain class, not even decent mountains.

Aizen's Fragor blows higher and deeper, Ichigo tanked it before shitting on it.

lol fragor is no where near that tbb, it wasnt even half the size of the city next to it and even pain's planetary devastation made a bigger crater than it, yes i have watched that fight and saw the small ass crater compared to this, fragor's was barely mountain lvl

Don't compare anime feats to manga feats, its pathetic and highly frowned upon. Aizen's fragor clearly destroyed a volume of land that rival an small island, and your silly anime scan shows that in its depth; you're biased and its unappetizing.

lol its way smaller than naruto's 3 tailed chakra cloak's roar damage, not impressive at all

Like your posts, there is no depth to that dustbowl Naruto's created. That was unobservant of you.

this explosion made a mountain sized gyuuki look like a full stop

Gyuuki isn't the size of a mountain, and I have no idea what a "full stop" looks like so it means nothing. If that's your best attempt at sounding intelligent, do better and use real terms.

this is a tailed beast in comparison to a half a city

Kurama isn't just any bijuu; he's the biggest and strongest. He's barely big enough to be considered 'mountainous' and he isn't Gyuuki so why not just post a scan of Gyuuki to scale Gyuuki from....?

unlike?

LOL bro you walked away from that shit pretty hard, sure you don't wanna keep talking shit about Naruto and Sasuke's edged weapon negging feats? The one's you don't have scans for because they don't occur? Ichigo negs and no sells the black chalk.

anyways, i have already made my point above, naruto countered a moon lvl blast with his fist and plus y do u need to palm attacks when u can just casually take it?

(Not smart enough to realized those are the same kind of feats on different levels)Negging an attack in the palm of his hand is a better feat than surviving an attack with all of his being.

lol but those blades havent shown any impressive piercing feat tho and jigen's "chalksticks" is definitely piercing ichigo with trash cutting durability aswell, those rods arent the only thing jigen uses, he simply shrinks to the point ichigo cant see him, ichigo would be like "where the fuck did he go" then jigen just goes behind him and kills him with a punch....breaking susanoo (casually multi city tankers) with a CASUAL punch>>>>than ichigo's durability, i dont remember fragor or lanza ever being close to city lvl talkless of multi-city lvl

Stop using punctuation marks in an attempt to make it look like you can piece together ideas; your grammar is ass and I know children who know better. Clean this shit up.

Ichigo has feats for negging blades; Naruto and Sasuke don't: Ichigo has piercing durability; Naruto and Sasuke don't. Simple.

umm she effortlessly pierced through susanoo tho, k cool, "smart ass" ur basically saying ichigo can beat naruto and sasuke with absolute ease lol

Susanoo who has little-no durability feats, just decent feats of attack power? I'm so impressed by it's lack of fortitude that I could almost just ignore your attempt to derail the thread.

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Yikes didn't see this post on time, so don't mind the late reply.

lol unless ur saying they can pinpoint where an atom is, which is impossible unless they have a special eye or some shit or shown feats of doin that

Jigen isn't an atom he is just Microscopic and that's not difficult to sense. Because size only matters with sight. When you sense someone from a city way can you see them? Nope When you sense someone something invisible can you see them? nope.

lol sasuke never countered it, he was too fast and small for sasuke. Sasuke could have literally tried to stab him immediately he shrunk, if sasuke with ems had trouble getting him, i doubt ichigo would ....jigen/isshiki's able is to control the size he shrinks matter, when he uses it, its like he disappeared completely

Sasuke countered him, he was backed to a corner and almost got stabbed in micro form. Reread the fight

even sasuke with ems hard trouble looking for jigen when he immediately shrunk

Sasuke wasn't using his sharingan magnification at that time, but when he did use it he had no problem and they pressured him into powering up.

yh he can be sensed but sensing him, is not knowing where someone as small as an atom is,

You keep saying he is an atom , however the words used where microscopic not atomic,two very different things. jigen is not as small as an atom, he is just microscopic and sensing where he is would be simple because size doesn't matter to Reikaku.

lol u cant see someone's soul if the soul is the same size as the microscopic sized person.... ichigo wonders whats goin on and dies due to him trynna process whats happening

Lol, small soul that's cute. Based on what exactly? why do you think his soul shrank with his body, the body is physical,the soul is basically your consciousness,you are basically saying he shrank his consciousness without proof,Lol dude.

lol, unless u show me yama's passive heat burning up something strong enough to pierce kurama's chakra mode (just 4 tailed chakra cloak was able to tank kusanagi which was stated by orochimaru to be able to slice diamonds) kurama mode>>>>4 tailed chakra cloak, so i doubt yama's passive heat burns the rod

No need for doubt, it vaporises the rod instantly, you bringing up Kusanagi cutting feat means nothing as that is not a heat resistance feat, Gyuki and KCM where already having trouble with lava (3000 degrees) , Yamamoto's sun armor reaches 15 million degrees. The rods are not getting past that without proper heat resistance.

and i doubt his passive heats does anything to jigen when he tanked amaterasu which is able to burn absolutely anything physical (it was shown to burn out fire itself) except chakra, only thing is amaterasu burns as fast as normal flames but still hot enough to burn out fire, thats >>>>>yama's passive heat

This is ridiculous, why the hell would you compare Amaterasu to Yama's heat, they are not in the same league at all. Yamamoto heat makes Amaterasu look like ice in comparison. Jigen is not getting through his sun armor without getting vapourized, I am already giving him much credit saying he survives the heat radiation in Yama-ji's presence which he doesn't even have feats of surviving. Saying because Amaterasu burn out fire heat >>> Yama's heat is BS.

yes it looks like a pot (kinda), its not sealed if its open (so ofc teleportation abilities can escape and come back) but when jigen closes it, it sealed, he does that to ichigo, gg

Jigen said he couldn't let Sasuke live, prior to the sealing, which means Sasuke could likely escape... also you'd have to incapacitate your opponent first otherwise the seal can very easily be escaped before it closes and lastly you'll have to proof the seal prevents spatial technique from working, that's not something you can say without proof.

lol u know me so well, its like we have known each other for so long XD

Lol, that's just the easiest route, so it was predictable.

hmmm, nice nice, but u know from the scan, yama barely tanked it, tanking is when u take 0 dmg (no single bruise or any shit is on ur body),

0 damage is not tanking,that's to no-sell the attack. Also Yama Technically swallowed the attack so it won't destroy the surrounding cities so he was hit by the entirety of its force. And the attack was way bigger than city level and vapiutozation on that scale approaches island-country level. And I used Yama as a proxy, Yama-ji's durability is way lesser than Ichigo,someone like Ichigo can no-sell that attack.

1 tailed chakra cloak on naruto and the whole shinobi alliance took no fucking single dmg from a city burster,

Don't recall this, if you're talking about tenpechi, tenpechii is just an AOE of natural disasters,its actually lacking AP-wise,The actual AP of the attack which happened close to the Tentails fodderized Naruto completely, so except you think 1 tail cloak>>> Naruto you will stop using that as proof.

PS's defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 tailed chakra cloak's and jigen mocked PS defense and broke it with a CASUAL punch...

Except 1 tail cloak did nothing but survived hurricanes and lightning. Something regular humans sometimes survive. So your whole premise is based on nothing

PS defense would be atleast country lvl,

Country level is well beneath Ichigo, and why is PS defense country level again???

the fact that naruto used attacks (sixpath tailed beast rasen shuriken) stronger than his country bursting tbb rasen shuriken on PS and their avatars took 0 dmg,

When was this?? Sasuke took 0 damage from a Naruto attack, you're writing fan fiction dude, that can't happen In canon.

country lvl AP punch>>>>>multi city lvl durability, jigen still kills ichigo with 1 punch

Ichigo is way beyond multi city level, even Vasto lorde Ichigo is way beyond that scaling from Lanza explosion back at Arrancar's arc.

cool, that doesnt count as tanking tho, it just shows how much endurance he has.

Sigh, when you can get back up and fight it does count as tanking. But if you find that iffy, he tanked V1 Gerard's attack with almost no damage, which is also island-country level.

was expecting it to cover the whole city but its decently large tho, btw did kenny slice it or destroy the meteorite?

Destroyed,pulverized into small insignificant pieces

oooh....and sasuke's kusanagi sword is a diamond slicer and naruto could use his kurama's tail as a weapon

You keep saying diamond slicer but that actually means nothing AP wise , something as big as Kurama isn't tagging Ichigo

he has CASUAL city+ AP punches>>>ichigo's strength

Nope, Ichigo is approaching casual country level strength in base with his regular swings scaling from Kenpachi. Naruto can only reach these levels with his TBBs/RS which is one of the reasons Jigen had a good time with the duo and why Ichigo has a better time.

can u show me ichigo's casual strength surpassing jigen's casual country lvl AP punch

Multiple times stronger than Kenpachi casual meteor bust. Could you remind me why Jigen has country level AP punches again?

(just realized sasuke's PS tanked naruto's attack stronger than his tailed beast rasen shuriken country burster country burster in mid air)

What?? Never happened.

he reacted to light speed attack, his body has to be atleast relativistic+ in speed (50% light speed) to dodge that, 50% kurama naruto's raw speed with kcm on (not bijuu mode), was being confused with minato's ftg's instant teleportation,

KCM naruto didn't react to any light speed attack what are you on about.

remember this is 50% kurama naruto's irrelevant mode cuz naruto hasnt used this mode ever since he got bijuu mode, naruto with 100% kurama, spsm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>50% kurma kcm...ichigo isnt just comparable to 100% kurama spsm speed at all...and same jigen was blitzing, evading and blocking 100% spsm naruto and sasuke casually at the same time

Ichigo still surpasses Naruto in speed, KCM isn't light speed he isn't even close to light speed, so I'll like to see this feat that suddenly makes KCM relativistic+ for no reason.

he fodderized their avatar forms also which is enough to smack ichigo around with no attacks

Avatars aren't tagging Ichigo on his slowest day and even if they do Ichigo can very well deal with their physical attacks as they have shown nothing above Ichigo's pay grade.

(u forgot how tailed beasts could casually rip mountains with their roar and tail swipes alone)

Never happened. Excluding Naruto's Kurama, Tailed beast strongest attack; TBB are barely mountain level, high jounin-Kage level shinobi like;Suigestu, KCM Naruto, sage mode Naruto, Raikages,3rd Hokage,can more or less deal with tailed beast physicals.

and survive any tiny attack ichigo decides to use on them...so yh its still impressive.

Durability feats that suggest that???

LMFAO!!! debunked above, at best ichigo will be comparable in speed with 50% kurama naruto's bsm, 100% spsm would be too unfair

What in hell are you talking about?? Don't make things up.

also, u know how u asked for piercing durability, well here it is, just found it, this is jigen casually tanking a kusanaji sword (diamond cutter) slash through his neck, it couldnt budge his neck.

The rods on his neck tanked that attack not his bare neck, he was threatened by the sword and defended against it with the rod rather than his bare skin, Sasuke physical Kusanagi sword attacks are extremely fodder to Ichigo, if he is threatened by Sasuke's sword this just shows why Jigen durability is no match for Ichigo's sword.

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@epichotflame: bro ichigo vasto lorde has been proven to be multi planetary by feats. For starters when he fought ulqiuota and kokuto he was only using half of his strength because he did not have a full shehakshow. But even when it did not in have even half of its power in the hellverse he still managed to destroy layers of hell wich has to be planetary to multi planetary in size because it has had souls since the beginning of time and it also broke the gated of hell and extended all the way to karakura town.it also broke the chanes of hell wich were thought to be unbreakable And yammy him self said that if he continued he would have destroyed the whole planet. And ichigo was in a different dimension. Plus ichigo also said that he could destroy the world. And ichigo has FULL power vasto lorde in his shikai. And he's ichigo has survived city++++++++++++++ feats. When he fought uliquora he was about to destroy a lanza at him but he telaported and then GRABBED IT and ir was trying to explode but it could not because of its strength. And uli stated that his feel in his bace can destroy las noches wich is the size of California texas and some other states. Proven by seth the programmer and others. Sooooooo u dont know bleach facts nor bkeach characters ubare just a narutard who cant accept that bleach characters are stronger.

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It has been established that Naruto > Ichigo so by scaling Jigen stomps

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@epichotflame: bro ichigo vasto lorde has been proven to be multi planetary by feats.

LMAO!!! i feel like i shouldnt get into a debate with u cuz look at what u said!!! omg!! this dude is a really bleach wanker

For starters when he fought ulqiuota and kokuto he was only using half of his strength because he did not have a full shehakshow. But even when it did not in have even half of its power in the hellverse he still managed to destroy layers of hell wich has to be planetary to multi planetary in size because it has had souls since the beginning of time and it also broke the gated of hell and extended all the way to karakura town.it also broke the chanes of hell wich were thought to be unbreakable And yammy him self said that if he continued he would have destroyed the whole planet. And ichigo was in a different dimension.

destroyed hell? wasnt that a bleach movie?

Plus ichigo also said that he could destroy the world.

where is the statement?

And ichigo has FULL power vasto lorde in his shikai. And he's ichigo has survived city++++++++++++++ feats.

lol show me 1 city lvl attack he survived, lemme examine this wank

When he fought uliquora he was about to destroy a lanza at him but he telaported and then GRABBED IT

cool he grabbed it, is it meant to be impressive? jigen is above in all stats and naruto in his second strongest form blocked a moon lvl blast with 1 hand and was pushing it back

and ir was trying to explode but it could not because of its strength. And uli stated that his feel in his bace can destroy las noches wich is the size of California texas and some other states. Proven by seth the programmer and others. Sooooooo u dont know bleach facts nor bkeach characters ubare just a narutard who cant accept that bleach characters are stronger.

lol u dont know how to debate, calling me a narutotard when u have shown me any proof lol

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Yikes didn't see this post on time, so don't mind the late reply.

its k, same with me, i could post for some days cuz i was flagged lol

lol unless ur saying they can pinpoint where an atom is, which is impossible unless they have a special eye or some shit or shown feats of doin that

Jigen isn't an atom he is just Microscopic and that's not difficult to sense. Because size only matters with sight. When you sense someone from a city way can you see them? Nope When you sense someone something invisible can you see them? nope.

proof he isnt atom sized cuz he can control his size, even sasuke was having trouble spotting jigen with ems, even after he immediately shrunk before their very eyes at close range, sasuke had touble seeing him with ems, thats how small he can get

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lol sasuke never countered it, he was too fast and small for sasuke. Sasuke could have literally tried to stab him immediately he shrunk, if sasuke with ems had trouble getting him, i doubt ichigo would ....jigen/isshiki's able is to control the size he shrinks matter, when he uses it, its like he disappeared completely

Sasuke countered him, he was backed to a corner and almost got stabbed in micro form. Reread the fight

what happened here then, sasuke can barely spot him and counter him

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even sasuke with ems hard trouble looking for jigen when he immediately shrunk

Sasuke wasn't using his sharingan magnification at that time, but when he did use it he had no problem and they pressured him into powering up.

ems eye is always active cuz it doesnt bleed when constantly used like ms and 3 tomoe

yh he can be sensed but sensing him, is not knowing where someone as small as an atom is,

You keep saying he is an atom , however the words used where microscopic not atomic,two very different things. jigen is not as small as an atom, he is just microscopic and sensing where he is would be simple because size doesn't matter to Reikaku.

where was the word "microscpoic" used? i kept using microscopic and atom cuz human eyes cant see atoms even with magnifying glass

lol u cant see someone's soul if the soul is the same size as the microscopic sized person.... ichigo wonders whats goin on and dies due to him trynna process whats happening

Lol, small soul that's cute. Based on what exactly? why do you think his soul shrank with his body, the body is physical,the soul is basically your consciousness,you are basically saying he shrank his consciousness without proof,Lol dude.

lol what, so a baby has an average man sized soul? nice logic bruv

lol, unless u show me yama's passive heat burning up something strong enough to pierce kurama's chakra mode (just 4 tailed chakra cloak was able to tank kusanagi which was stated by orochimaru to be able to slice diamonds) kurama mode>>>>4 tailed chakra cloak, so i doubt yama's passive heat burns the rod

No need for doubt, it vaporises the rod instantly,

his PASSIVE heat aint vaping the rod bruh, unless his passive heat has vaped something more

you bringing up Kusanagi cutting feat means nothing as that is not a heat resistance feat, Gyuki and KCM where already having trouble with lava (3000 degrees) , Yamamoto's sun armor reaches 15 million degrees.

lol but thats not the passive heat thought u said passive heat

The rods are not getting past that without proper heat resistance.

the atomized rods get past yama with his passive heat

and i doubt his passive heats does anything to jigen when he tanked amaterasu which is able to burn absolutely anything physical (it was shown to burn out fire itself) except chakra, only thing is amaterasu burns as fast as normal flames but still hot enough to burn out fire, thats >>>>>yama's passive heat

This is ridiculous, why the hell would you compare Amaterasu to Yama's heat, they are not in the same league at all. Yamamoto heat makes Amaterasu look like ice in comparison.

lol amaterasu was stated to burn absolutely anything physical (it was shown to burn of flame itself) and sun is a physical object, plus in the data book it was said amaterasu is like the sun or as hot as the sun

Jigen is not getting through his sun armor without getting vapourized,

sun Armour isnt passive heat, smart ass

I am already giving him much credit saying he survives the heat radiation in Yama-ji's presence which he doesn't even have feats of surviving. Saying because Amaterasu burn out fire heat >>> Yama's heat is BS.

lol no i said amaterasu being able to burn all physical matter (including the sun which isnt spiritual)>>>>>yama's PASSIVE heat

yes it looks like a pot (kinda), its not sealed if its open (so ofc teleportation abilities can escape and come back) but when jigen closes it, it sealed, he does that to ichigo, gg

Jigen said he couldn't let Sasuke live, prior to the sealing, which means Sasuke could likely escape... also you'd have to incapacitate your opponent first otherwise the seal can very easily be escaped before it closes and lastly you'll have to proof the seal prevents spatial technique from working, that's not something you can say without proof.

there is nothing to prove to u bout how seals work, it restricts movements, abilities etc and it was said in the manga that it was his seal, anyways

lol u know me so well, its like we have known each other for so long XD

Lol, that's just the easiest route, so it was predictable.

XD true

hmmm, nice nice, but u know from the scan, yama barely tanked it, tanking is when u take 0 dmg (no single bruise or any shit is on ur body),

0 damage is not tanking,that's to no-sell the attack.

hmm i see it as the same thing tho but whatever u say bruv

Also Yama Technically swallowed the attack so it won't destroy the surrounding cities so he was hit by the entirety of its force. And the attack was way bigger than city level and vapiutozation on that scale approaches island-country level.

was it vaping? cool

And I used Yama as a proxy, Yama-ji's durability is way lesser than Ichigo,someone like Ichigo can no-sell that attack.

oh forgot to mention, jigen can absorb energy based attacks with karma and ichigo is mostly energy based so all his attacks becomes useless and has to face him h2h which wont go well at all

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1 tailed chakra cloak on naruto and the whole shinobi alliance took no fucking single dmg from a city burster,

Don't recall this, if you're talking about tenpechi, tenpechii is just an AOE of natural disasters,its actually lacking AP-wise,

what!??! tenpechii create a massive city sized crater with mountain sized depth

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The actual AP of the attack which happened close to the Tentails fodderized Naruto completely, so except you think 1 tail cloak>>> Naruto you will stop using that as proof.

lol u trynna say spsm is weaker than 1 tailed chakra cloak that did that casually.... 100% kurama spsm >>>>>50% kurama 1 tailed chakra cloak, thats too show how tanky naruto is

PS's defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 tailed chakra cloak's and jigen mocked PS defense and broke it with a CASUAL punch...

Except 1 tail cloak did nothing but survived hurricanes and lightning. Something regular humans sometimes survive. So your whole premise is based on nothing

lol those "hurricanes and lightening" did more dmg than anything ichigo has done

PS defense would be atleast country lvl,

Country level is well beneath Ichigo, and why is PS defense country level again???

sasuke's PS survived naruto's sixpath tailed beats rasen shuriken (normal tbrs bursted madara's frost country meteorites)+indra arrow clash above the clouds with no dmg, that puts PS durability at country+

the fact that naruto used attacks (sixpath tailed beast rasen shuriken) stronger than his country bursting tbb rasen shuriken on PS and their avatars took 0 dmg

When was this?? Sasuke took 0 damage from a Naruto attack, you're writing fan fiction dude, that can't happen In canon.

lol he did tank it cuz susanoo was still on after the attack, its just that he was really really low on chakra thats y he couldnt hold the susanoo up no longer as he fell down from the sky exhausted, so yh he still tanked it but was exhausted of his chakra

country lvl AP punch>>>>>multi city lvl durability, jigen still kills ichigo with 1 punch

Ichigo is way beyond multi city level, even Vasto lorde Ichigo is way beyond that scaling from Lanza explosion back at Arrancar's arc.

lanza explosion is no where near even 50% kuram's tbb lol....naruto and sasuke tanked their attacks which are county lvl thats greater than lanza and anything ichigo tanked

cool, that doesnt count as tanking tho, it just shows how much endurance he has.

Sigh, when you can get back up and fight it does count as tanking. But if you find that iffy, he tanked V1 Gerard's attack with almost no damage, which is also island-country level.

can i see this country lvl attack?

was expecting it to cover the whole city but its decently large tho, btw did kenny slice it or destroy the meteorite?

Destroyed,pulverized into small insignificant pieces

cool, that puts my boi, kenny's DC/AP at city lvl

oooh....and sasuke's kusanagi sword is a diamond slicer and naruto could use his kurama's tail as a weapon

You keep saying diamond slicer but that actually means nothing AP wise , something as big as Kurama isn't tagging Ichigo

lol first off, jigen isnt a giant so jigen blitz him, secondly, the avatars moves as fast as the user, sasuke's sixpath susanoo with lightening ehnaced moved FTE (prolly lightening speed) without Naruto high sensory realizing

he has CASUAL city+ AP punches>>>ichigo's strength

Nope, Ichigo is approaching casual country level strength in base with his regular swings scaling from Kenpachi.

lol that meteorite is puny compared to madara's, that meteorite kenny destroyed was at best city lvl not country, so u can stop ur wanking plus that was a zanpakto slash, compare it with bare fists, its less impressive than breaking a country+ tanker with bare fist

Naruto can only reach these levels with his TBBs/RS which is one of the reasons Jigen had a good time with the duo and why Ichigo has a better time.

lol naruto pushed back a moon lvl blast with 1 hand, from scaling to that, naruto has moon lvl durability with country lvl AP strength and jigen was smacking naruto like a baby, lol naruto 1 shotted kurama (country tanker) with a normal massive rasengan, tbrs is too much for ichigo to handle but anyways jigen still bullies ichigo with rods, atomized size, and speed +plus seal,

can u show me ichigo's casual strength surpassing jigen's casual country lvl AP punch

Multiple times stronger than Kenpachi casual meteor bust. Could you remind me why Jigen has country level AP punches again?

those meteorites were destroyed by zanpakto, its not casual than a bare fist breaking a perfect susanoo (country tanker)

(just realized sasuke's PS tanked naruto's attack stronger than his tailed beast rasen shuriken country burster country burster in mid air)

What?? Never happened.

dont tell me u havent watched it cuz u acting like u havent seen naruto and sasuke tanking the six path tbrs from naruto which scales higher than naruto's country bursting normal tbrs

he reacted to light speed attack, his body has to be atleast relativistic+ in speed (50% light speed) to dodge that, 50% kurama naruto's raw speed with kcm on (not bijuu mode), was being confused with minato's ftg's instant teleportation,

KCM naruto didn't react to any light speed attack what are you on about.

i was talking bout spsm in generally, he has ls reaction and then his kcm (2nd slowest form) was like ftg instant teleportation

remember this is 50% kurama naruto's irrelevant mode cuz naruto hasnt used this mode ever since he got bijuu mode, naruto with 100% kurama, spsm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>50% kurma kcm...ichigo isnt just comparable to 100% kurama spsm speed at all...and same jigen was blitzing, evading and blocking 100% spsm naruto and sasuke casually at the same time

Ichigo still surpasses Naruto in speed, KCM isn't light speed he isn't even close to light speed, so I'll like to see this feat that suddenly makes KCM relativistic+ for no reason.

how does ichigo surpass 100% spsm in speed? omg i said spsm has relativistic+ speed with ls reaction, CANT U READ?

he fodderized their avatar forms also which is enough to smack ichigo around with no attacks

Avatars aren't tagging Ichigo on his slowest day and even if they do Ichigo can very well deal with their physical attacks as they have shown nothing above Ichigo's pay grade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_gX31bQTto&t=319s watch from 6:40-6:55, avatars moves as fast as the user, ichigo is being scaled lol, he has shown nothing and he scales above kenny who has shown CITY lvl dc not strength, u dont know the difference lol

(u forgot how tailed beasts could casually rip mountains with their roar and tail swipes alone)

Never happened. Excluding Naruto's Kurama, Tailed beast strongest attack; TBB are barely mountain level,

lol yh it happened especially with kurama (if kurama can reap mountains with a roar, y wouldnt the other tailed beasts), im guessing u forgot tho.... barely mountain lvl? are these barely mountain lvl?

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lol yh barely mountain lvl

high jounin-Kage level shinobi like;Suigestu, KCM Naruto, sage mode Naruto, Raikages,3rd Hokage,can more or less deal with tailed beast physicals.

lol when did suigetsu handle a tailed beast alone, even when he was fighting with a team, he got roasted by gyuuki, kcm naruto has kurama strength. lol really wtf? 3rd raikage's hell stab is more potent than ichigo's zanpakto, rasen shuriken that could reap u from a molecular lvl (aka disintegration) couldnt dmg 3rd raikaige's armour but his hell stab dmg it, showing more AP than a molecular destroying attack, so ofc he can easily handle tailed beats with his invincible lightening armor and his deadly hell stab, its not even argument, 3rd hokage used a strong long ranged weapon to fight it, he never went toe to toe with any tailed beast

and survive any tiny attack ichigo decides to use on them...so yh its still impressive.

Durability feats that suggest that???

tanking stronger versions of naruto's country bursting attack put it at country lvl, naruto's 1 tailed chakra cloak is city+ lvl (weakest form of his kurama lol)

LMFAO!!! debunked above, at best ichigo will be comparable in speed with 50% kurama naruto's bsm, 100% spsm would be too unfair

What in hell are you talking about?? Don't make things up.

if naruto with 50% kcm's raw speed is comparable to minato's ftg instant teleportation, his 100% spsm that he used on jigen is way above any speed ichigo can output

also, u know how u asked for piercing durability, well here it is, just found it, this is jigen casually tanking a kusanaji sword (diamond cutter) slash through his neck, it couldnt budge his neck.

The rods on his neck tanked that attack not his bare neck,

lol its still came from his skin, he does the same to his body if ichigo tries any thing, ichigo aint cutting jigen's skin

he was threatened by the sword and defended against it with the rod rather than his bare skin, Sasuke physical Kusanagi sword attacks are extremely fodder to Ichigo,

excuse me, what impressive things have ichigo sliced with his zanpakto?

if he is threatened by Sasuke's sword this just shows why Jigen durability is no match for Ichigo's sword.

again i need feats of his zanpkto slice, he was threatned but did he feel threatened? no

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lol alright then show me LDR city lvl attack

It dwarfs Las Noches, which can't feasibly be smaller than a city. I'm not gonna argue every aspect of the series with you, this is well-known. I'm not bringing you scans or calcs either, they're everywhere so go find a credible one.

show me? dwarfing a city in height and not width is really not city lvl

huh? naurto is stronger yes but their modes, kurama and full susanoo are on the same level of durability, still dont change the fact that weaker defense like 1 tailed chakra cloak , weaker than susanoo tanked multi city bursters

No, Kurama would shit on every Susanoo in canon-existence; no Susanoo can withstand the bijuudama directly. Naruto is above Sasuke in every sense of the word.

ps and full kurama have the same durability, they both tanked naruto sixpath tbrs which scales above his country bursting normal tbrs

k cool, shunshin is teleportation like movements, and naruto was casually doing it in base in boruto

Yeah, you know nothing. The body-flicker isn't teleportation in any sense of the word and its not even lightning speed. It's not impressive or nearly as fast as flash step, which fodder can use to be subrelativistic-relativistic.

its same teleportation as flash step, yh fodders like konohamaru vs a rouge ninja were unseeable durin their fight...u know ftg instant teleportation? yh it was being confused with naruto's 50% kcm's raw speed (not bijuu mode), 100% spsm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>50% kcm

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lol whether tiny or huge, vaping a thick mountain is still more impressive than any AP lanza has, lol the WEAKEST form of juubi did that, it not maxing it at only city lvl, later on we see naruto charging up a tbb that had the potential to destroy the surrounding lands around land of fire

'Surrounding lands' isn't much of a range, and it damn sure isn't all of the Earth;

omg lol y did u wank it to be earth?

un-wank the vaguest comment in NARUTO history. City-mountain class, not even decent mountains.

it was definitely multi city or multi country (considering the fact that in narutoverse, they refer to countries as land of fire, wind, etc), downplaying it to mountain lvl is really funny

Aizen's Fragor blows higher and deeper, Ichigo tanked it before shitting on it.

lol fragor is no where near that tbb, it wasnt even half the size of the city next to it and even pain's planetary devastation made a bigger crater than it, yes i have watched that fight and saw the small ass crater compared to this, fragor's was barely mountain lvl

Don't compare anime feats to manga feats, its pathetic and highly frowned upon. Aizen's fragor clearly destroyed a volume of land that rival an small island, and your silly anime scan shows that in its depth; you're biased and its unappetizing.

its the same thing, what? u mad? XD the end result was a barely mountain sized crater its also doesnt matter whether i use manga or anime unless its speed feat cuz let say it destroyed a massive land mass but couldnt make a bigger crater in the middle? sad, also show me the volume of mass that was destroyed

lol its way smaller than naruto's 3 tailed chakra cloak's roar damage, not impressive at all

Like your posts, there is no depth to that dustbowl Naruto's created. That was unobservant of you.

thats naruto in one of his most weakest forms, its width is more than wat aizen made, the only impressive thing is the depth of fragor

this explosion made a mountain sized gyuuki look like a full stop

Gyuuki isn't the size of a mountain, and I have no idea what a "full stop" looks like so it means nothing. If that's your best attempt at sounding intelligent, do better and use real terms.

u should understand what i meant? he is like a dot in the middle of the explosion, being hill sized or mountain sized gyuuki, that explosion is still bigger than lanza's

this is a tailed beast in comparison to a half a city

Kurama isn't just any bijuu; he's the biggest and strongest. He's barely big enough to be considered 'mountainous' and he isn't Gyuuki so why not just post a scan of Gyuuki to scale Gyuuki from....?

biggest? they all the same size mate, show me kurama being bigger than the others, he and gyuuki and stood side by side and no much height diff, i used kurama cuz it was the scan i had in possession

unlike?

LOL bro you walked away from that shit pretty hard, sure you don't wanna keep talking shit about Naruto and Sasuke's edged weapon negging feats? The one's you don't have scans for because they don't occur? Ichigo negs and no sells the black chalk.

wym, u quoted "unlike?" so im confused

anyways, i have already made my point above, naruto countered a moon lvl blast with his fist and plus y do u need to palm attacks when u can just casually take it?

(Not smart enough to realized those are the same kind of feats on different levels)Negging an attack in the palm of his hand is a better feat than surviving an attack with all of his being.

negging an attack with 1 hand and was pushing it back means his durability far exceeds moon lvl, tanking with ur whole body and hand is still same tanking that happened cuz no dmg was done,

lol but those blades havent shown any impressive piercing feat tho and jigen's "chalksticks" is definitely piercing ichigo with trash cutting durability aswell, those rods arent the only thing jigen uses, he simply shrinks to the point ichigo cant see him, ichigo would be like "where the fuck did he go" then jigen just goes behind him and kills him with a punch....breaking susanoo (casually multi city tankers) with a CASUAL punch>>>>than ichigo's durability, i dont remember fragor or lanza ever being close to city lvl talkless of multi-city lvl

Stop using punctuation marks in an attempt to make it look like you can piece together ideas; your grammar is ass and I know children who know better. Clean this shit up.

k "smart ass" what does this have to do with topic we r on? smh

Ichigo has feats for negging blades; Naruto and Sasuke don't: Ichigo has piercing durability; Naruto and Sasuke don't. Simple.

naruto in 4 tailed chakra cloak no sold diamond slicing sword, sasuke sadly doesnt have any impressive piercing unless his suanoo

umm she effortlessly pierced through susanoo tho, k cool, "smart ass" ur basically saying ichigo can beat naruto and sasuke with absolute ease lol

Susanoo who has little-no durability feats, just decent feats of attack power?

huh?!! kurama and susanoo no sold a sixpath tbrs which scales above the normal tbrs that bursted madara's frost country meteorite, it also GREATLY scales above 1 tailed chakra cloak city lvl durability from juubi's attack

I'm so impressed by it's lack of fortitude that I could almost just ignore your attempt to derail the thread.

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its k, same with me, i could post for some days cuz i was flagged lol

Too much time has passed, this argument is stale already. I am tempted not to reply to this, but since I got free time for now, why not.

proof he isnt atom sized cuz he can control his size,

I can't prove a negative, why would you even ask me that. Being able to control his size doesn't make him an atom just as it doesn't make him a giant or as large as the Jupiter. You've being on here long enough, so you should know how burden proof of works, you're the one making the claim so you have to prove it.

even sasuke was having trouble spotting jigen with ems, even after he immediately shrunk before their very eyes at close range, sasuke had touble seeing him with ems, thats how small he can get.

Already explained this he wasn't using magnification yet. His magnification vision isn't passive, it's active. Just as Sarada showcased in the latest chapter

what happened here then, sasuke can barely spot him and counter him

The only time Sasuke couldn't spot him, was before he learnt his tricks,in that scan Sasuke spotted him clearly and his very next action in the very next page was to counter him.

ems eye is always active cuz it doesnt bleed when constantly used like ms and 3 tomoe

I am talking about the magnification ability of the sharingan, when Sasuke started using that he could easily counter Jigen.

where was the word "microscpoic" used? i kept using microscopic and atom cuz human eyes cant see atoms even with magnifying glass.

The words microscopic and atomic are not interchangeable at all. why would you assume that,Anything that can't being seen by the naked eye because of its size is microscopic . Being atomic is another issue entirely. The manga only refered to his ability as being very small, IIRC some translation used microscopic and never atomic. You think Naruto's Rasengan and Sasuke's sword can destroy/damage atoms? Wise up dude.

lol what, so a baby has an average man sized soul? nice logic bruv

Actually the nice logic is using size to classify a soul. What next baby soul weighs this Kg and an adult soul weighs that Kg. You are trying to squeeze out of this so bad, it's funny

his PASSIVE heat aint vaping the rod bruh, unless his passive heat has vaped something more.

What do you mean something more? What's the heat resistance of the rods.

lol but thats not the passive heat thought u said passive heat

15 million degrees is the heat of his armour that's always on him in Bankai mode, do you need a scan or something.

the atomized rods get past yama with his passive heat.

Okay bring proof of those rods getting through 15 million degrees or you are just blabbing .

lol amaterasu was stated to burn absolutely anything physical.

OK why is that vague hype impressive.

(it was shown to burn of flame itself)

This isn't impressive, stop bringing it up, even Lava burns out flame (according to one piece anyway).

and sun is a physical object,

Lol you should be smarter than this, Yeah I am not going to touch this for your sake, because it hopefully doesn't mean what it implies.

plus in the data book it was said amaterasu is like the sun or as hot as the sun

Databook=contradict manga = hyperbole =Amaterasu is still fodder in this discussion.

sun Armour isnt passive heat, smart ass

Sun armor is literally Yama's heat cloak that surrounds his body in Bankai. Why isn't it passive?? So Ichigo's cloak that he wears in Bankai isn't passive? Where exactly are you going with this ? Huh smart Ass.

lol no i said amaterasu being able to burn all physical matter (including the sun which isnt spiritual)>>>>>yama's PASSIVE heat

Burn the sun? Sun level Amaterasu?. Nice joke. Now are you going to bring proof of Amaterasu burning the sun or being hot/potent enough to burn the sun (which doesn't exist) or are you going to keep spouting what's basically Nonsense.

there is nothing to prove to u bout how seals work, it restricts movements, abilities etc and it was said in the manga that it was his seal, anyways.

So Jigen's seal restrict abilities? Proof of this? Because not all seal can restrict abilities. Why are you still bringing up this point anyway? I already told you, Jigen literally said Sasuke could escape with teleportation,You are arguing against the manga at this point. That's ignoring the seal is too slow to tag anyone that isn't incapacitated, there's nothing as useless as this seal in this fight.

oh forgot to mention, jigen can absorb energy based attacks with karma and ichigo is mostly energy based so all his attacks becomes useless and has to face him h2h which wont go well at all.

Ichigo fighting style isn't mostly energy based, wherever do you get that idea?, the dude abilities are melee sword based, except for the occasional long range getsuga tenshou, which he can still use as a melee weapon by coating his blade with getsuga tenshou.

what!??! tenpechii create a massive city sized crater with mountain sized depth

I am not doubting its city level DC though. Tanking a small city level attack should be well within the ability of the 1 tail chakra cloak.

lol u trynna say spsm is weaker than 1 tailed chakra cloak that did that casually....

Lol, i have no idea where you are getting this, all i meant is that same attack turned KCM Naruto into a bloodied mess. So technically you are the one trying to say 1 tail Chakra cloak >>> KCM Naruto,Since 1 tail no selled tenpechii and KCM naruto didn't.

What i said was Naruto was closer to the explosion that occurred near the Juubi, unlike the entire alliance who only had to deal with natural disasters level AP.

100% kurama spsm >>>>>50% kurama 1 tailed chakra cloak, thats too show how tanky naruto is.

OK. Tenpechii is still nothing special AP- wise, has a nice AOE though.

lol those "hurricanes and lightening" did more dmg than anything ichigo has done.

Lol that's somewhat true Yeah, but you know as well as i do, Ichigo relies heavily on scaling from other people's feats.

sasuke's PS survived naruto's sixpath tailed beats rasen shuriken (normal tbrs bursted madara's frost country meteorites)+indra arrow clash above the clouds with no dmg, that puts PS durability at country+.

unfortunately that lightning Susano doesn't scale to Jigen, considering it was only achieved because of the tailed beasts Chakra, both the lightning Susano and Asura Kurama avatar wasn't at play against Jigen. Secondly PS was completely obliterated by just the remnants of thier attack's clash,so I don't know what you mean by 0 damage. Try again.

lol he did tank it cuz susanoo was still on after the attack,

Nope Susano was obliterated after the attack.Reread the fight.

its just that he was really really low on chakra thats y he couldnt hold the susanoo up no longer as he fell down from the sky exhausted, so yh he still tanked it but was exhausted of his chakra.

It wasn't about Chakra the Susano was obliterated right after the attack and they were blasted down,The avatars did a good job of protecting them from most of the aftershock damage though, but that doesn't change the fact that it was one-shotted by the attack and that it is a much stronger temporarily amped Susano that doesn't scale to Jigen. So again Feats for Susano durability???

lanza explosion is no where near even 50% kuram's tbb lol....naruto and sasuke tanked their attacks which are county lvl thats greater than lanza and anything ichigo tanked.

Lanza is at least island level. It dwarfed Las noches,and all its giant pillars, Kurama's TBB DC feats are multi mountain level+ probably far higher. His TBRS are another story though.

can i see this country lvl attack?

It scales from Gremmy meteor which was going to annihilate seireitei, island-country level, And judging from the size of that meteor which was moving at ablation speed,the K.E from the meteor would yield country level DC or higher. Kenpachi destroyed this with a single sword swing.

Gerard can casually match Kenny's swing and nigh-stomps Kenpachi physically without his eyepatch(eyepatch makes him 5x or so weaker). So Gerard's casual attacks are country level,And Kenpachi tanked dozens of those attacks.

cool, that puts my boi, kenny's DC/AP at city lvl.

Lol are you serious right now?,Is this an attempt to downplay? Lol It's so poorly done. Even eyeballing the meteor, its mass is far bigger than the small mountain at seireitei. Destroying the meteor ( just its Mass without accounting for the K.E) would already be multi mountain level. Then the fact that it was going to wipe out seireitei is at least island level...... Now ignoring the Kinetic energy of the meteor and calling the feat multi mountain level is a cute attempt at downplay,But city level LMAO!nice joke dude.

lol first off, jigen isnt a giant so jigen blitz him,

Lol that's my line, Ichigo is not a giant so Jigen can't blitz Ichigo like he blitz slowass giants.

secondly, the avatars moves as fast as the user,

Nope they don't, not true at all, even Jigen noticed how slow they were. Not only Jigen, Kaguya kept fodderizing Sasuke's avatar.

sasuke's sixpath susanoo with lightening ehnaced moved FTE (prolly lightening speed) without Naruto high sensory realizing

That was Sasuke's Ameno. It's teleportation not speed.

lol that meteorite is puny compared to madara's,

What??? That meteor was 1/3 of seireitei, what's the size of Maddy's meteor again? Who pulverized Maddy's meteor again? Did it have ablation speed when destroyed?? So why are we comparing two feats that are not even at the same level.

that meteorite kenny destroyed was at best city lvl not country,

LMFAO, at best city level? You have got to be trolling right? Don't you know how size works? Or don't you Know how kinetic energy work? Which is it, it looks like both.

so u can stop ur wanking plus that was a zanpakto slash, compare it with bare fists, its less impressive than breaking a country+ tanker with bare fist.

When Jigen breaks lightning clad susnano or Ashura avatar we can talk. So you can pipe down the Jigen wank till you show feats of this country+ tanker.

lol naruto pushed back a moon lvl blast with 1 hand,from scaling to that, naruto has moon lvl durability

Naruto gathered his entire cloak Chakra on one hand to make that move. That move>>>> all his Rasengan variations which Toneri casually dealt with. I like the way you just called it "one-hand",somehow he forgets he has that move (like he forgets he has so many techniques in Boruto), did he use that particular move against Jigen? No? OK.

with country lvl AP strength and jigen was smacking naruto like a baby,

Country level AP strength when? Those comes from his energy attacks, which again Jigen never dealt with.

lol naruto 1 shotted kurama (country tanker) with a normal massive rasengan,

Lol what??

tbrs is too much for ichigo to handle

Lol you are proving my point, These energy attacks like TBRS are what make Naruto dangerous, Jigen didn't have to deal with TBRS, which is the reason I think beating a nerfed Taijutsu Naruto/Sasuke isn't impressive, Just so you remember, I never said Ichigo could beat Naruto or Sasuke. I said Jigen couldn't,Dont miss the premise of the argument

anyways jigen still bullies

ichigo with rods,

Yep I doubt they get past Ichigo's blut vene,which can stop a beheading from Yhwach, plus its dodgeable.

atomized size,

Reikaku easily.

and speed +plus seal,

Ichigo >>> Jigen in speed, seal is extremely useless.

those meteorites were destroyed by zanpakto, its not casual than a bare fist.

Actually in this case it is, Jigen's fist are his Major weapons just as zanpakutou are Kenny's major weapons. Does Jigen have any other attack that makes his fist casual cuz last i recall he spent almost all of his chakra in that fight.

breaking a perfect susanoo (country tanker).

Still waiting on that country level avatars.

dont tell me u havent watched it cuz u acting like u havent seen naruto and sasuke tanking the six path tbrs from naruto which scales higher than naruto's country bursting normal tbrs

*Sigh* their attacks more or less cancelled each other out and the remnants completely shattered their amped avatars,Same amped avatars they didn't have access to Vs Jigen.

i was talking bout spsm in generally, he has ls reaction and then his kcm (2nd slowest form) was like ftg instant teleportation.

Okay.

how does ichigo surpass 100% spsm in speed?

Ichigo scales far above High tiers like Lilloto Lampard who dodge Aushwahlen by several meters while carrying someone almost twice her weight. Aushwahlen light moves at high speeds and traversed multi planetary distance in few seconds. Ichigo has completely blitz Lilloto reactions.

Consistent with the prior chigo scales to the one of the highest speed feat in the verse, which is Mimihagi traversing that same multi planetary distance in less than five seconds.

Both feats are definitely above relativistic-lightspeed, especially The latter which puts Ichigo reactions comfortably at FTL, maybe FTL+

omg i said spsm has relativistic+ speed with ls reaction, CANT U READ?

Read your previous comment above and realize how I came to that conclusion, you were talking about KCM And never mentioned The words "SPSM is relativistic+ " all you said is KCM>>> SPSM, so refine your points so they don't get misunderstood next time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_gX31bQTto&t=319s watch from 6:40-6:55, avatars moves as fast as the user,

That's Ameno teleportation. Already addressed this point. And this is a fight between two avatars so it doesn't make your point.

ichigo is being scaled lol, he has shown nothing.

What's so funny? Is anything really wrong with that, most characters get their stats from scaling and doing nothing, Goku being a prime example.

and he scales above kenny who has shown CITY lvl dc not strength, u dont know the difference lol.

Huh? Enlighten me then. Cuz I am pretty sure Kenpachi achieved that feat with his sheer physical strength. Lol at City level by the way go do some meteor research and how meteors work, then get back to me.

lol yh it happened especially with kurama (if kurama can reap mountains with a roar, y wouldnt the other tailed beasts),

Where's the feat of Kurama reaping mountains with a roar then? And i like how you ignore Kurama being massively stronger than the rest of the tailed beast. But OK. Also Kurama never reaped mountains with a roar,another fan fic.

im guessing u forgot tho.... barely mountain lvl? are these barely mountain lvl?

I said " excluding Kurama" and you brought a scan of a naruto amped six path Kurama,the other scan was a Kurama and Gyuki combo charged TBB.nice going genius and then the other scan was the Gyuki TBB which Juubi deflected IIRC, and it looks mountain level.

lol yh barely mountain lvl.

I literally said the words "excluding Kurama" and you brought a bunch of Kurama scans, Lol good work genius, next time why don't you actually debunk my own statement and not bring things I never ask for. Let me repeat; excluding Naruto's Kurama tailed beat with their strongest attack(TBB) are barely mountain level.

lol when did suigetsu handle a tailed beast alone, even when he was fighting with a team, he got roasted by gyuuki.

Lol can you read properly before answering, I said physicals. Suigestu stalemated gyuki in physicals till gyuki resorted to that TBB.

, kcm naruto has kurama strength. lol really wtf?

BM has Kurama's strength.

3rd raikage's hell stab is more potent than ichigo's zanpakto,

LMAO! This isn't even worth a counter. Why don't you let feats do the talkin cuz there's nothing as empty as this statement right now, words can't explain how empty the above statement is.

rasen shuriken that could reap u from a molecular lvl (aka disintegration) couldnt dmg 3rd raikaige's armour.

Get back to me when you have done your research and realized that Rasenshuriken does nothing on a molecular level,And all what you just said above was bull.

but his hell stab dmg it, showing more AP than a molecular destroying attack, so ofc he can easily handle tailed beats with his invincible lightening armor and his deadly hell stab,

Rasenshuriken is not a molecular attack, and Raikage lightning armour is not invicible. You like mixing your parameters don't you, I dunno if they are mistakes or if it's on purpose to wank, but it's starting to seem like the latter, I'll only say this one more time, microscopic≠ atomic and cellular≠molecular.

its not even argument,

Yeah, your infos are all wrong

3rd hokage used a strong long ranged weapon to fight it, he never went toe to toe with any tailed beast.

Still doesn't change my point that excluding Kurama, tailed beast on their own are just high jounin- Kage level opponents.

tanking stronger versions of naruto's country bursting attack put it at country lvl,

Addressed above, also Ichigo's casual attacks are also country+ at least .

naruto's 1 tailed chakra cloak is city+ lvl (weakest form of his kurama lol)

Irrelevant but OK.

if naruto with 50% kcm's raw speed is comparable to minato's ftg instant teleportation, his 100% spsm that he used on jigen is way above any speed ichigo can output

Yeah you did it again bringing KCM up when talking about SPSM speed feat.Minato's teleportation is not a speed feat what are you on about?

lol its still came from his skin, he does the same to his body if ichigo tries any thing, ichigo aint cutting jigen's skin.

he gets beheaded, Ichigo is not weak in sword swings like Sasuke,He has no durability feats to suggest him directly tanking Even one sword swing from Ichigo's sword.

excuse me, what impressive things have ichigo sliced with his zanpakto?

Far Greater than anything Sasuke has sliced physically with Kusanagi.

again i need feats of his zanpkto slice, he was threatned but did he feel threatened?

He does scale to a sword which breaks an extremely large mountain sized meteor like an egg.

scales to Bankai Kenpachi who can cut Gerard's shield cleanly in half(Gerard's shield was strong enough to tank shikai Kenpachi country level sword swings with no damage.

Some others which are less impressive includes

Ichigo slicing a skyscraper in two at FKT

SS arc Kenpachi slices a large building by scraping it with the tip of his sword

There's Gin Bankai which can slice skyscrapers in half for 13km ,

There's Komamura caused a large dent in the mountain at seireitei by with his shikai swing .

There are probably more I can't remember, so does Sasuke have any physical slicing feat with his Kusanagi that are above even one of this feat? No? Jigen gets beheaded if hit directly.

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its k, same with me, i could post for some days cuz i was flagged lol

Too much time has passed, this argument is stale already. I am tempted not to reply to this, but since I got free time for now, why not.

proof he isnt atom sized cuz he can control his size,

I can't prove a negative, why would you even ask me that. Being able to control his size doesn't make him an atom just as it doesn't make him a giant or as large as the Jupiter. You've being on here long enough, so you should know how burden proof of works, you're the one making the claim so you have to prove it.

human eyes cant spot jigen, it either means he is atleast as small as an atom

even sasuke was having trouble spotting jigen with ems, even after he immediately shrunk before their very eyes at close range, sasuke had touble seeing him with ems, thats how small he can get.

Already explained this he wasn't using magnification yet. His magnification vision isn't passive, it's active. Just as Sarada showcased in the latest chapter

sarada had 3 tomoe sharigan not ems, ems doesnt cuase blindness thats y its always active

what happened here then, sasuke can barely spot him and counter him

The only time Sasuke couldn't spot him, was before he learnt his tricks,in that scan Sasuke spotted him clearly and his very next action in the very next page was to counter him.

fair enough but he couldnt land a hit on him tho or dodge the unseeable tiny rods

ems eye is always active cuz it doesnt bleed when constantly used like ms and 3 tomoe

I am talking about the magnification ability of the sharingan, when Sasuke started using that he could easily counter Jigen.

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where was the word "microscpoic" used? i kept using microscopic and atom cuz human eyes cant see atoms even with magnifying glass.

The words microscopic and atomic are not interchangeable at all. why would you assume that,Anything that can't being seen by the naked eye because of its size is microscopic . Being atomic is another issue entirely. The manga only refered to his ability as being very small, IIRC some translation used microscopic and never atomic. You think Naruto's Rasengan and Sasuke's sword can destroy/damage atoms? Wise up dude.

u cant dmg atoms?? and ah alright i agree

lol what, so a baby has an average man sized soul? nice logic bruv

Actually the nice logic is using size to classify a soul. What next baby soul weighs this Kg and an adult soul weighs that Kg. You are trying to squeeze out of this so bad, it's funny

lol no u cant have a mountain sized giant's soul if ur only ant size, dont see the logic in that, unless u can show me a really small being with an average human sized soul then i agree cuz what u assuming is that someone small can have a big soul...unless u show me an example of soul being different sizes than the body then jigen is undetected by ichigo lol

his PASSIVE heat aint vaping the rod bruh, unless his passive heat has vaped something more.

What do you mean something more? What's the heat resistance of the rods.

its more durable than diamonds and normal flames cant burn diamonds, can u show what his PASSIVE heat has burnt?

lol but thats not the passive heat thought u said passive heat

15 million degrees is the heat of his armour that's always on him in Bankai mode, do you need a scan or something.

thats not passive bruv, activating bankai isnt passive, and i said jigen shoots his unseeable rods before yama even decides to go bankai, yama wont start of with bankai from the beginning

lol no i said amaterasu being able to burn all physical matter (including the sun which isnt spiritual)>>>>>yama's PASSIVE heat

Burn the sun? Sun level Amaterasu?. Nice joke. Now are you going to bring proof of Amaterasu burning the sun or being hot/potent enough to burn the sun (which doesn't exist) or are you going to keep spouting what's basically Nonsense.

if amaterasu was stated to burn anything physical (sun isnt spiritual, its common sense) and databook also confirms it...u dont understand wat being able to burn all thingss physical means?

there is nothing to prove to u bout how seals work, it restricts movements, abilities etc and it was said in the manga that it was his seal, anyways.

So Jigen's seal restrict abilities? Proof of this? Because not all seal can restrict abilities.

mention one seal in narutoverse that hasnt restricted abilities

Why are you still bringing up this point anyway? I already told you, Jigen literally said Sasuke could escape with teleportation,

escaping while the seal is open, not when it was shut

You are arguing against the manga at this point. That's ignoring the seal is too slow to tag anyone that isn't incapacitated, there's nothing as useless as this seal in this fight.

jigen easily immobilizes ichigo by shooting multiple unseeable rods, bfr him to his seal, close the seal, gg

oh forgot to mention, jigen can absorb energy based attacks with karma and ichigo is mostly energy based so all his attacks becomes useless and has to face him h2h which wont go well at all.

Ichigo fighting style isn't mostly energy based, wherever do you get that idea?, the dude abilities are melee sword based, except for the occasional long range getsuga tenshou, which he can still use as a melee weapon by coating his blade with getsuga tenshou.

cero is energy based

mugestu is energy based....ichigo's gt doesnt have impressive cutting or does it?

what!??! tenpechii create a massive city sized crater with mountain sized depth

I am not doubting its city level DC though. Tanking a small city level attack should be well within the ability of the 1 tail chakra cloak.

yh its 50% kurama's 1 tailed chakra cloak's durability, they have other modes higher than that from 2-8 tailed chakra cloak, bm, bsm, and finally spsm and adult naruto has 100% kurama now

lol u trynna say spsm is weaker than 1 tailed chakra cloak that did that casually....

Lol, i have no idea where you are getting this, all i meant is that same attack turned KCM Naruto into a bloodied mess. So technically you are the one trying to say 1 tail Chakra cloak >>> KCM Naruto,Since 1 tail no selled tenpechii and KCM naruto didn't.

did naruto die from tenpechii or was he uncapable of continuing fighting after that? no, he tanked it...either way, bsm naruto blocked and was pushing a moon lvl blast from toneri with 1 hand

What i said was Naruto was closer to the explosion that occurred near the Juubi, unlike the entire alliance who only had to deal with natural disasters level AP.

true but naruto still tanked it nevertheless

100% kurama spsm >>>>>50% kurama 1 tailed chakra cloak, thats too show how tanky naruto is.

OK. Tenpechii is still nothing special AP- wise, has a nice AOE though.

vaporizing mountain depth chunks and creating this deep crater isnt a good AP? vaporization already is a good AP for it

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lol those "hurricanes and lightening" did more dmg than anything ichigo has done.

Lol that's somewhat true Yeah, but you know as well as i do, Ichigo relies heavily on scaling from other people's feats.

true, i guess XD

sasuke's PS survived naruto's sixpath tailed beats rasen shuriken (normal tbrs bursted madara's frost country meteorites)+indra arrow clash above the clouds with no dmg, that puts PS durability at country+.

unfortunately that lightning Susano doesn't scale to Jigen, considering it was only achieved because of the tailed beasts Chakra, both the lightning Susano and Asura Kurama avatar wasn't at play against Jigen.

ooh yh true but does absorbing chakra make susanoo's defense stronger? lol i dont think so cuz susanoo is manifested from the user's will not chakra and lightening doesnt enhance its defense aswell

Secondly PS was completely obliterated by just the remnants of thier attack's clash,so I don't know what you mean by 0 damage. Try again.

u know very welll sasuke was completely exhausted from chakra loss, how can one still hold up susanoo with low chakra? the PS was still on even after the attack dispelled

lol he did tank it cuz susanoo was still on after the attack,

Nope Susano was obliterated after the attack.Reread the fight.

yh i re watched it, sasuke was exhausted from chakra hence he could hold it up after the clash (it was still on even after the attack happened, so how did it break when it was still on)

its just that he was really really low on chakra thats y he couldnt hold the susanoo up no longer as he fell down from the sky exhausted, so yh he still tanked it but was exhausted of his chakra.

It wasn't about Chakra the Susano was obliterated right after the attack and they were blasted down

do u know how much chakra sasuke needs to output to use susanoo? pls dont say wat u dont know

,The avatars did a good job of protecting them from most of the aftershock damage though, but that doesn't change the fact that it was one-shotted by the attack

they were both exhausted out of chakra for god's sake

and that it is a much stronger temporarily amped Susano that doesn't scale to Jigen. So again Feats for Susano durability???

explain how absorbing chakra increases susanoo defense and lightening increasing susanoo defense??? its not like sasuke added chakra to the susanoo body or infused it with chakra, he absorbed it

lanza explosion is no where near even 50% kuram's tbb lol....naruto and sasuke tanked their attacks which are county lvl thats greater than lanza and anything ichigo tanked.

Lanza is at least island level. It dwarfed Las noches,and all its giant pillars,

did it also dwarf it by width?

Kurama's TBB DC feats are multi mountain level+ probably far higher.

agreed multi mountain to half-a-city

His TBRS are another story though.

can i see this country lvl attack?

It scales from Gremmy meteor which was going to annihilate seireitei, island-country level, And judging from the size of that meteor which was moving at ablation speed,the K.E from the meteor would yield country level DC or higher. Kenpachi destroyed this with a single sword swing.

ooh u scaled it country cuz of the k.e, destroying faster meteorites with a slash doesnt eqaul the dc feat to be country at all, its if he used bare fist or legs on it, then it becomes scaled above city lvl

Gerard can casually match Kenny's swing and nigh-stomps Kenpachi physically without his eyepatch(eyepatch makes him 5x or so weaker). So Gerard's casual attacks are country level,

how do u know that the same swing he used to destroy the meteorite, he also used it against gerard cuz i have seen many sword swings from kenny and none of them did anything close to wat he did to the meteorite,

And Kenpachi tanked dozens of those attacks.

cool, that puts my boi, kenny's DC/AP at city lvl.

Lol are you serious right now?,Is this an attempt to downplay? Lol It's so poorly done. Even eyeballing the meteor, its mass is far bigger than the small mountain at seireitei.

calm down, man i never said it was mountain lvl lol

Destroying the meteor ( just its Mass without accounting for the K.E) would already be multi mountain level. Then the fact that it was going to wipe out seireitei is at least island level...... Now ignoring the Kinetic energy of the meteor and calling the feat multi mountain level is a cute attempt at downplay,But city level LMAO!nice joke dude.

destroying a super fast meteorite with a sword swing isnt above city lvl cuz its still the same size but if it hits the ground of the city, its gonna be above island lvl

sasuke's sixpath susanoo with lightening ehnaced moved FTE (prolly lightening speed) without Naruto high sensory realizing

That was Sasuke's Ameno. It's teleportation not speed.

do u know wat sasuke ameno is, its an instant substitution ability, not teleportation lmao, so it still proves their avatars are as fast as them

lol that meteorite is puny compared to madara's,

What??? That meteor was 1/3 of seireitei, what's the size of Maddy's meteor again?

multi city size

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Who pulverized Maddy's meteor again?

this dude

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Did it have ablation speed when destroyed?? So why are we comparing two feats that are not even at the same level.

destroying the same city sized meteorite with increased speed doesnt make the dc feat above city lvl but the meteorite moving at that speed makes it above city lvl when it hits the city

that meteorite kenny destroyed was at best city lvl not country,

LMFAO, at best city level? You have got to be trolling right? Don't you know how size works? Or don't you Know how kinetic energy work? Which is it, it looks like both.

already elaborated it above

so u can stop ur wanking plus that was a zanpakto slash, compare it with bare fists, its less impressive than breaking a country+ tanker with bare fist.

When Jigen breaks lightning clad susnano or Ashura avatar we can talk. So you can pipe down the Jigen wank till you show feats of this country+ tanker.

when has absorbing (not infusing or covering) ever enhanced anything in the narutoverse or when has lightening (not even covering the susanoo increased the defense ?

lol naruto pushed back a moon lvl blast with 1 hand,from scaling to that, naruto has moon lvl durability

Naruto gathered his entire cloak Chakra on one hand to make that move. That move>>>> all his Rasengan variations which Toneri casually dealt with. I like the way you just called it "one-hand",somehow he forgets he has that move (like he forgets he has so many techniques in Boruto), did he use that particular move against Jigen? No? OK.

lol its the same cloak isnt is?, or u trynna dodge the fact, that its was only bsm while jigen faced spsm, i like ur thinking mate XD

with country lvl AP strength and jigen was smacking naruto like a baby,

Country level AP strength when? Those comes from his energy attacks, which again Jigen never dealt with.

pushing back that moon lvl blast puts his strength on atleast country lvl

lol naruto 1 shotted kurama (country tanker) with a normal massive rasengan,

Lol what??

ooh havent u watched it? when sage mode naruto fought kurama to try and tame him, so he one shotted kurama with his massive rasengan

tbrs is too much for ichigo to handle

Lol you are proving my point, These energy attacks like TBRS are what make Naruto dangerous, Jigen didn't have to deal with TBRS, which is the reason I think beating a nerfed Taijutsu Naruto/Sasuke isn't impressive, Just so you remember, I never said Ichigo could beat Naruto or Sasuke. I said Jigen couldn't,Dont miss the premise of the argument

jigen still smacked naruto with atleast country lvl strength in AP and sasuke with his diamond slicing sword

anyways jigen still bullies

ichigo with rods,

Yep I doubt they get past Ichigo's blut vene,which can stop a beheading from Yhwach, plus its dodgeable.

wats that? and it isnt dodgeable if its not seeable nor senseable lmao

atomized size,

Reikaku easily.

wats that and wat will that do

and speed +plus seal,

Ichigo >>> Jigen in speed, seal is extremely useless.

ichigo isnt faster than 100% spsm who jigen fodderized in speed....50% kcm's raw speed (not bm) was being confused with minato's ftg instant teleportation, spsm has LS reaction and to be able to even dodge a LS attack point blank requires his body to be moving atleast relativistic+ (50% LS), so jigen fodderizing that speed + sub relativistic sasuke at the same time>>>>ichigo's speed

those meteorites were destroyed by zanpakto, its not casual than a bare fist.

Actually in this case it is, Jigen's fist are his Major weapons just as zanpakutou are Kenny's major weapons.

nah jigen's rod is his main weapon not his bare fist

Does Jigen have any other attack that makes his fist casual cuz last i recall he spent almost all of his chakra in that fight.

spent almost all his chakra?? wrong isshiki's vessel (jigen) was too weak to handle his power thats y it reach its limit, even isshiki said it

breaking a perfect susanoo (country tanker).

Still waiting on that country level avatars.

XD k, its above

dont tell me u havent watched it cuz u acting like u havent seen naruto and sasuke tanking the six path tbrs from naruto which scales higher than naruto's country bursting normal tbrs

*Sigh* their attacks more or less cancelled each other out and the remnants completely shattered their amped avatars,Same amped avatars they didn't have access to Vs Jigen.

i was talking bout spsm in generally, he has ls reaction and then his kcm (2nd slowest form) was like ftg instant teleportation.

Okay.

how does ichigo surpass 100% spsm in speed?

Ichigo scales far above High tiers like Lilloto Lampard who dodge Aushwahlen by several meters while carrying someone almost twice her weight. Aushwahlen light moves at high speeds and traversed multi planetary distance in few seconds. Ichigo has completely blitz Lilloto reactions.

cool, carrying someone twice their weight and running doesnt make the speed feat more impressive, it shows she has strength to do so, if it was a human kid with weights on the ankle that weighed more than thrice his weight and ran faster than sharigan could counter, now thats impressive but yh blitzing her reactions doesnt make ichigo ftl tho but it sure scales his speed to relativistic+ like spsm...funny thing is jigen was fodderizing the speed of both 1 relativistic+ and another sub relativistic at the same time, so yh he still gets blitz by jigen

Consistent with the prior chigo scales to the one of the highest speed feat in the verse, which is Mimihagi traversing that same multi planetary distance in less than five seconds.

cool

Both feats are definitely above relativistic-lightspeed,

lol its no where near LS, blitzing someone who reacted to LS doesnt make both of them LS at all, her reaction speed is LS while ichigo blitz her which she isnt even LS, just by reaction....its very possible to blitz someone's body who isnt LS but LS reaction

especially The latter which puts Ichigo reactions comfortably at FTL, maybe FTL+

omg i said spsm has relativistic+ speed with ls reaction, CANT U READ?

Read your previous comment above and realize how I came to that conclusion, you were talking about KCM And never mentioned The words "SPSM is relativistic+ " all you said is KCM>>> SPSM, so refine your points so they don't get misunderstood next time.

oh my bad, im srry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_gX31bQTto&t=319s watch from 6:40-6:55, avatars moves as fast as the user,

That's Ameno teleportation. Already addressed this point. And this is a fight between two avatars so it doesn't make your point.

already addressed this point aswell above XD

ichigo is being scaled lol, he has shown nothing.

What's so funny? Is anything really wrong with that, most characters get their stats from scaling and doing nothing, Goku being a prime example.

fair enough

and he scales above kenny who has shown CITY lvl dc not strength, u dont know the difference lol.

Huh? Enlighten me then. Cuz I am pretty sure Kenpachi achieved that feat with his sheer physical strength. Lol at City level by the way go do some meteor research and how meteors work, then get back to me.

already addressed the meteorite feat above, its not really full city strength cuz his zanpakto already has power plus the applied force he used

lol yh it happened especially with kurama (if kurama can reap mountains with a roar, y wouldnt the other tailed beasts),

Where's the feat of Kurama reaping mountains with a roar then?

well with common sense if 4 tails chakra cloak could do this with a roar, imagine what a full tailed beast can do

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And i like how you ignore Kurama being massively stronger than the rest of the tailed beast. But OK.

only stronger than them in tbb but strength, speed, the rest r equal

Also Kurama never reaped mountains with a roar,another fan fic.

im guessing u forgot tho.... barely mountain lvl? are these barely mountain lvl?

I said " excluding Kurama" and you brought a scan of a naruto amped six path Kurama,

lol and ur point is?? naruto still have his spsm and that wasnt sixpath kurama mode lol, sixpath kurama has 6 hands

the other scan was a Kurama and Gyuki combo charged TBB.

u said they r barely mountain lvl, half of that combined city lvl tbb isnt barely mountain lvl, its half-a-city lvl

nice going genius and then the other scan was the Gyuki TBB which Juubi deflected IIRC, and it looks mountain level.

how can a mountain sized creature be looking like a tiny dot in the middle of the explosion which can contain more than 80 gyuuki's from the looks of it, be mountain lvl? u can keep downplaying bruv aint finna work and im pretty sure thats city lvl, remember thats only gyuuki, kurama's is way stronger...tbb can be from multi mountain lvl- city lvl from any tailed beasts, prime juubi's is another story lol

lol yh barely mountain lvl.

I literally said the words "excluding Kurama" and you brought a bunch of Kurama scans,

oh excluding kurama? ooh k

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Lol good work genius, next time why don't you actually debunk my own statement and not bring things I never ask for. Let me repeat; excluding Naruto's Kurama tailed beat with their strongest attack(TBB) are barely mountain level.

lol when did suigetsu handle a tailed beast alone, even when he was fighting with a team, he got roasted by gyuuki.

Lol can you read properly before answering, I said physicals. Suigestu stalemated gyuki in physicals till gyuki resorted to that TBB.

he never still stale mated gyuuki's physical and if he did, it proves suigestsu has tailed beasts lvl of strength...4 tailed chakra cloak caused a massive shockwave by just waving 1 hand lol, full tailed beast mode fodderizes that strength...2nd scan shows 4 tailed chakra cloak causing that wide crater by roaring

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, kcm naruto has kurama strength. lol really wtf?

BM has Kurama's strength.

k

3rd raikage's hell stab is more potent than ichigo's zanpakto,

LMAO! This isn't even worth a counter. Why don't you let feats do the talkin cuz there's nothing as empty as this statement right now, words can't explain how empty the above statement is.

rasen shuriken that could reap u from a molecular lvl (aka disintegration) couldnt dmg 3rd raikaige's armour.

Get back to me when you have done your research and realized that Rasenshuriken does nothing on a molecular level,And all what you just said above was bull.

dont u know?

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but his hell stab dmg it, showing more AP than a molecular destroying attack, so ofc he can easily handle tailed beats with his invincible lightening armor and his deadly hell stab,

Rasenshuriken is not a molecular attack, and Raikage lightning armour is not invicible. You like mixing your parameters don't you

the ap of rs was easily tanked by 3rd raikage plus it was said to be invincible cuz throughout the history, no one was able to penetrate it, it was only his hell stab that could

, I dunno if they are mistakes or if it's on purpose to wank,

im not wanking

but it's starting to seem like the latter, I'll only say this one more time, microscopic≠ atomic and cellular≠molecular.

nevertheless it still does the same cellular disintegration

its not even argument,

Yeah, your infos are all wrong

3rd hokage used a strong long ranged weapon to fight it, he never went toe to toe with any tailed beast.

Still doesn't change my point that excluding Kurama, tailed beast on their own are just high jounin- Kage level opponents.

i agree with the kage lvl but not jounin lvl

tanking stronger versions of naruto's country bursting attack put it at country lvl,

Addressed above, also Ichigo's casual attacks are also country+ at least .

addressed above aswell

naruto's 1 tailed chakra cloak is city+ lvl (weakest form of his kurama lol)

Irrelevant but OK.

how? when kenny destroyed a city sized meteorite lol

if naruto with 50% kcm's raw speed is comparable to minato's ftg instant teleportation, his 100% spsm that he used on jigen is way above any speed ichigo can output

Yeah you did it again bringing KCM up when talking about SPSM speed feat.Minato's teleportation is not a speed feat what are you on about?

being faster than instant teleportatio itselt is a speed feat, 50% kcm is eqaul to that speed, 100% spsm is way faster than that

lol its still came from his skin, he does the same to his body if ichigo tries any thing, ichigo aint cutting jigen's skin.

he gets beheaded, Ichigo is not weak in sword swings like Sasuke,He has no durability feats to suggest him directly tanking Even one sword swing from Ichigo's sword.

the question is does ichigo have good slicing feat with it?

excuse me, what impressive things have ichigo sliced with his zanpakto?

Far Greater than anything Sasuke has sliced physically with Kusanagi.

like?? also just remembered ichigo was no where near kenny in strength (thats the more reason y kenny is my fave soul reaper till now, he is too bad ass with physicals) how is kenny and ichigo equal in strength cuz kenny is physically stronger than ichigo, still need city lvl strength from another character scaling below or to ichigo in strength

again i need feats of his zanpkto slice, he was threatned but did he feel threatened?

He does scale to a sword which breaks an extremely large mountain sized meteor like an egg.

scales to Bankai Kenpachi who can cut Gerard's shield cleanly in half(Gerard's shield was strong enough to tank shikai Kenpachi country level sword swings with no damage.

not equal in physicals, so bad scaling

Some others which are less impressive includes

Ichigo slicing a skyscraper in two at FKT

SS arc Kenpachi slices a large building by scraping it with the tip of his sword

There's Gin Bankai which can slice skyscrapers in half for 13km ,

There's Komamura caused a large dent in the mountain at seireitei by with his shikai swing .

There are probably more I can't remember, so does Sasuke have any physical slicing feat with his Kusanagi that are above even one of this feat? No? Jigen gets beheaded if hit directly.

yes sasuke actually does, it can slice diamonds easily which is more durable than rocks (meteorites) and buildings...so no boi, ichigo wont even scratch jigen with that weak zanpakto

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show me? dwarfing a city in height and not width is really not city lvl

Well, at the very least you're right: dwarfing a city in height doesn't imply city-level attack potency. Unfortunately, LDR dwarfs Las Noches in both height and width many timesoverand Las Noches is the size of a small country easily.

ps and full kurama have the same durability, they both tanked naruto sixpath tbrs which scales above his country bursting normal tbrs

I'm not about to argue Naruto's superiority over Sasuke with your simple ass; it's just not worth it. If you don't know who is superior then you're woefully, willfully ignorant.

its same teleportation as flash step, yh fodders like konohamaru vs a rouge ninja were unseeable durin their fight...u know ftg instant teleportation? yh it was being confused with naruto's 50% kcm's raw speed (not bijuu mode), 100% spsm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>50% kcm

So much wrong happening here....so, so much. Shunpo isn't anything like the Flying Raijin or the body flicker:

  • Shunpo is casual, all fodder can use it and move at sub-relative speed.
  • Flying Raijin is S-Rank, requires seals, consumes huge portions of chakra, and only 2 characters have it.
  • Body Flicker is D-Rank, and barely makes fodder hypersonic. Most ninja can't even use it in live combat.

SOSP Naruto's top speed feat is barely scraping relativistic, and few other ninja can move at LS without suffering harm without FTG. Mabui's technique proves this. Naruto is fast, the rest of his verse is kinda a joke.

omg lol y did u wank it to be earth?

To show you how non-quantifiable and vague the phrase 'surrounding lands' is.

it was definitely multi city or multi country (considering the fact that in narutoverse, they refer to countries as land of fire, wind, etc), downplaying it to mountain lvl is really funny

Point me to the specific country that was destroyed by a bijuudama/juubidama....wait, there isn't one so you don't have a point. Multi-city is the furthest I'll concede to, multi-country is wank even by your standards.

lol fragor is no where near that tbb, it wasnt even half the size of the city next to it and even pain's planetary devastation made a bigger crater than it, yes i have watched that fight and saw the small ass crater compared to this, fragor's was barely mountain lvl

Fragor didn't happen next to a city and it eradicated several mountains worth of rock mass in that area.

  • In the manga, Ichigo is shown taking Aizen several miles away from the city and Fragor can still be see dwarfing any structure for miles and it heat can still be felt by Ichigo's friends.
  • In the anime, the same happens but there are mountainous structures being swallowed as well as 3 blatant mountains being dwarfed by Fragors explosion(they're in the foreground).

No single bijuudama dwarfs mountains in such a manner, and Ichigo basically no-sold a stronger blast right to the face. Jigen and Susanoo can't even compare in durability; neither has tanked such a blast.

its the same thing, what? u mad? XD the end result was a barely mountain sized crater its also doesnt matter whether i use manga or anime unless its speed feat cuz let say it destroyed a massive land mass but couldnt make a bigger crater in the middle? sad, also show me the volume of mass that was destroyed

lol you're hilarious! The volume of rock destroyed can be seen in the empty crater, simple-ass.

thats naruto in one of his most weakest forms, its width is more than wat aizen made, the only impressive thing is the depth of fragor

The crater Naruto's roar made was maybe 100m wide and had 0 depth; Aizen's Fragor crater was maybe 300-500m and completely eradicated the ground beneath it.....there's no debate in potency, Aizen is stronger. No bijuudama can make a hole in the ground comparable to Aizen's Fragor so it's more powerful than any of them.

u should understand what i meant? he is like a dot in the middle of the explosion, being hill sized or mountain sized gyuuki, that explosion is still bigger than lanza's

I don't understand ignorance so I didn't know what you meant. That explosion shows that a bijuudama has multi-mountain range(never denied) but doesn't change the fact that it lacks the potency of Aizen's Fragor. Jigen can't contend with a bijuudama and Ichigo could palm that attack.

biggest? they all the same size mate, show me kurama being bigger than the others, he and gyuuki and stood side by side and no much height diff, i used kurama cuz it was the scan i had in possession

Well, Kishimoto's inconsistency makes it impossible to prove though he implies it several times. Naruto only has a shrunken half-Kurama, and he's comparable to Gyuuki. Whole, he should be bigger and his power is undeniable but that's not whats important here. If you don't have scans for something then go find some or bring evidence to support your claims.

wym, u quoted "unlike?" so im confused

I was confused too, but you can comprehend the rest of the post, right? Bring scans of Naruto and Sasuke negging blades with their bare skin.

negging an attack with 1 hand and was pushing it back means his durability far exceeds moon lvl, tanking with ur whole body and hand is still same tanking that happened cuz no dmg was done,

The GWRE isn't moon level because NARUTO's moon is hollow(massive difference in volume) which brings the potency of the attack WAY down. The range is solid though. Ichigo containing LDR in his palm(explosion and all) is still a more impressive feat.

Ichigo has feats for negging blades; Naruto and Sasuke don't: Ichigo has piercing durability; Naruto and Sasuke don't. Simple.

naruto in 4 tailed chakra cloak no sold diamond slicing sword, sasuke sadly doesnt have any impressive piercing unless his suanoo

The Adamantine Staff is only diamond hard and Orochimaru couldn't cut it, so his sword isn't a "diamond-cutting" sword. Naruto's Jinchuriki stats are different from his other forms; his durability is higher, his physical attacks are more vicious, and he gets a little....stretchy. He's still not negging a blade on the level of Aizen.

huh?!! kurama and susanoo no sold a sixpath tbrs which scales above the normal tbrs that bursted madara's frost country meteorite, it also GREATLY scales above 1 tailed chakra cloak city lvl durability from juubi's attack

Post scans for the feats you're talking about, your post is incomprehensible again.

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Jigen shrink ability doesn't make Sense at all. Anyone with Rinnegan or Sharingan should be able to see him since he has chakra. Rinnegan can see Chakra.