jigen and isshiki vs zeref and acnologia

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#2  Edited By CyberBlades22

Either Jigen or Isshiki solo the FT verse.

Unless this is regular human monk Jigen, then only Isshiki solos.

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Jigen or Isshiki does not have any feats to remove Zeref's Ankhseram's curse.

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#4  Edited By AnimeFreak1  Online

If this is the original Jigen then he dies

The dude is literally just a normal everyday monk

As for Isshiki though, he one shots both Zeref and Acnologia with no difficulties

And if people try to bring up Zeref's Immortality

BFR to another Dimension GG

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#5  Edited By SquadDoubleYou

Immortality, Death Wave and Time Magic GG

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Alien man solos the verse

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Isshiki BFR to another dimension or Kaguya's dimension and solos the verse.

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If this is the original Jigen then he dies

The dude is literally just a normal everyday monk

As for Isshiki though, he one shots both Zeref and Acnologia with no difficulties

And if people try to bring up Zeref's Immortality

BFR to another Dimension GG

Either Jigen or Isshiki solo the FT verse.

Unless this is regular human monk Jigen, then only Isshiki solos.

Then what about Jigen when he was a vessel??

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Zeref solos

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#11  Edited By TheUnknown_48

@requiemcross: but it would make zeref's situations worse and he wish that he is dead already, iirc he was obsessed with FH because he is so scared to acnologia because of his immortality he would become acnologia slave and get unlimited tortured by acnologia, if he is so scared to acnologia (which is fodder to isshiki) then imagine how scary is isshiki to him, unless this is FH zeref then the only option is BFR IMO

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Can team Naruto even put zeref down

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@oneluffy said:

Can team Naruto even put zeref down

BFR him to another dimension

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@oneluffy: currently nope, but they would make zeref their slave because zeref absolutely cannot do anything to them either, or they just BFR zeref

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Immortality is useless and just make thing worse if you cannot do absolutely nothing to your opponents

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#19  Edited By TheUnknown_48

@squaddoubleyou: how fast that attack again ?, a lot of people (much slower then jigen/isshiki) already dodged that super slow attack ...and you do know the massive speed gap between jigen/isshiki and zeref right ?...

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@squaddoubleyou: the time stop i believe it could be ressisted if you're a stronger than the caster. it just my opinion, because if it's not then it`s pure NLF, do you believe zeref time stop would work on someone like goku etc ? I dont think so, but hey this is just my opinion you're free to agree to disagree.. the only problem is just the the rewind (if it's FH zeref, because regular zeref cannot do that), but like the other said, they can still bfr him

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Zeref? Dimaria solos boruto.

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@requiemcross: but it would make zeref's situations worse and he wish that he is dead already, iirc he was obsessed with FH because he is so scared to acnologia because of his immortality he would become acnologia slave and get unlimited tortured by acnologia, if he is so scared to acnologia (which is fodder to isshiki) then imagine how scary is isshiki to him, unless this is FH zeref then the only option is BFR IMO

huh? BFR is not a problem for Zeref who has magic in control of time and space.

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Isshiki easily, he could handle the pesky immortality via BFR. Time stop( which is debatable if he has) is useless if Zeref doesn't come up with an attack that ignores durability. His death curse only works on things he loves so that's invalid in most battle scenarios

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@saxz said:

Isshiki easily, he could handle the pesky immortality via BFR. Time stop( which is debatable if he has) is useless if Zeref doesn't come up with an attack that ignores durability. His death curse only works on things he loves so that's invalid in most battle scenarios

@requiemcross: ^^^^

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Isshiki kills Acnologia and stomps Zeref

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@saxz said:

Isshiki easily, he could handle the pesky immortality via BFR. Time stop( which is debatable if he has) is useless if Zeref doesn't come up with an attack that ignores durability. His death curse only works on things he loves so that's invalid in most battle scenarios

@requiemcross: ^^^^

1. Isshiki easily, he could handle the pesky immortality via BFR.

Zeref could always use time rewind to come back. Source: Fairy tail ch 532.

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2. Time stop( which is debatable if he has) is useless if Zeref doesn't come up with an attack that ignores durability.

Zeref's feat of stopping time will be seen in ch 372 and ch 373. Durability is useless, Zeref have the Ankhseram curse, the source of his immortality and death magic. Isshiki have no feats against an immortal killing attack.

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3. His death curse only works on things he loves so that's invalid in most battle scenarios.

Lol. Zeref's death curse not only works on things he loves, he could use death magic to whoever he wants to kill as shown in Fairy tail ch 250.

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Since a similar thread appeared:

• Isshiki is gonna shrink into oblivion every single stuff the mages and dragons will throw at him (if they can tag him before getting horribly blitzed of course), Natsu's Flames of Lovable, Beautiful and Cute Emotions of Friendship etc. etc. included.

Once Isshiki will be in front of Zeref he will insta-release Natsu's Flames and all the other magics that he previously stored in his time freeze dimension on Zeref.

• Isshiki just BFR him into another dimension, with different time space and leaves him there.

Isshiki seals him inside the rice bowl, like he did to Naruto.

• Isshiki shrinks himself and enters inside Zeref's body. Possessed.

• Zeref manages to kill Isshiki somehow. Isshiki turns into informations due to Karma and possesses Zeref.

• Knocking him out is also a winning condition and even Ultear was able to KO a bloodlusted Zeref during Tenrou Island arc.

Zeref Death Magic? That laughable magic who failed to kill someone like 4/5 times? Juvia, Meldy, Mavis, August as a fetus...all survived it. Also Natsu's scarf countered it due to reasons.

Zeref Time Stop? I mean...it's not even confirmed nor stated he has Time Stop in the first place and he never used it during a fight, too. Not even when Gray was about to freeze his ass or when Mavis and Makarov escaped from him.

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#30  Edited By MirioTogAta

@requiemcross:

• Zeref cannot time rewind and go back to his world if he gets BFR'd into a dimension with a different time/space.

• about Zeref having time stop...read above.

• Zeref didn't use Death Wave against Hades. He used a spell and it's clearly visible in the page before the ones you posted. Also that form of Hades was stated to be just an injured normal old man and, iirc, he lost all his powers and magic.

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Why is BFR even being brought up when both acnologia and zeref both have spatial magic? And Acnologia was literally able to punch his way out of the space between time so getting teleported to another planet isn't gonna be a problem for the two.

If it comes down to it Zeref can just use Law to take down both.

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@argevil4: acnologia is irrelevant here, they dont even need to bfr him

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Isshiki solos the verse.

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#34  Edited By Saxz

@requiemcross:

Time rewind may heal his injuries, but it can't bring him back from another dimension, as per his feats he only rewinds time on himself and his immediate surroundings,He doesn't rewind time on a universal level. You can tell by Natsu reactions, he isn't rewinding other people actions

2. About the time stop, Like I said that's debatable, I am not gonna pretend I have a straight explanation. But Zeref never called that move time stop,He has being in several battles since then and has never performed that move,Even if it'd be a sure win.Zeref's time stop is more or less debatable as Momoshiki(from Boruto) having time stop. You may be right I may be wrong or vice versa, that's why I said its debatable. If you have feats/statements of that move being called time stop or Zeref performing it in one of his battle, then by all means.

3. I don't see a scan of Zeref using death magic. All I see is an explosion of some sort, so post a better scan. Zeref's death wave indiscriminately targets people and as you can see everyone around Hades is still alive.

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@theunknown_48: What are they gonna do hit him with rods? they'll just bounce off his skin lol

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#36  Edited By MirioTogAta

@argevil4: Acnologia escaped from the Ravines of Times cuz that dimension was just a huge source of magic. The Otsutsuki send kudos in a different time/space dimension without magic or stupid stuff like that. It should be pretty obvious.

And please, don't give Zeref fanmade feats like him using Law or escaping from Otsutsuki dimemsions...

Damn, creating crazy Fairy Tail feats is so fucking mainstream nowadays...

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This is spite.

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This is spite.

@mattyboi said:

Isshiki solos the verse.

@mevbi said:

Isshiki kills Acnologia and stomps Zeref

@dhdfh said:
@ultimatesage said:

Alien man solos the verse

Isshiki BFR to another dimension or Kaguya's dimension and solos the verse.

Either Jigen or Isshiki solo the FT verse.

Unless this is regular human monk Jigen, then only Isshiki solos.

If this is the original Jigen then he dies

The dude is literally just a normal everyday monk

As for Isshiki though, he one shots both Zeref and Acnologia with no difficulties

And if people try to bring up Zeref's Immortality

BFR to another Dimension GG

@juiceboks@jedixman@emperorthanos-

Mismatch. Both Jigen and Isshiki are close if not comparable to the likes of Kaguya.

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@miriotogata: He gained spatial magic as a result of eating the magic in the space between time. BFR isn't going to work on him because he can always just go back to where he was b4. It's just like how I can't say that Acnologia's BFR would work on isshiki since he can just open a portal to another place and leave.

You do realize that Zeref is the one that made the spell and taught it to Mavis right?

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#41  Edited By Westwood_Trevor

@mattyboi said:

@westwood_trevor: Actually, Jigen and Isshiki are both far above Kaguya.

I agree they are both superior to her 4th War version in some stats, yup.

Let's see how strong Isshiki will be after getting absorbed/devoured by his Juubi and possessing Kawaki's body. I'm definitely hyped!

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BFR will NOT be a problem for zeref.

Zeref had complete control over the time rift(basically a void dimension produced from the eclipse gate). He explicitly states this and it was shown he really had control over that dimension when Anna failed to activate the dimension and pushing acnologia into it, he sealed off the dimension which was a shock to her.

Then, When he attained fairy heart he even further mentions that he has gained dominion or perfect control over TIME-SPACE(further cementing the fact the spacial powers is nothing to him, and what he did with the time rift wasn't a fluke).

The same time rift/dimension (which zeref had total control of) was what gave acnologia "spacial/dimensional" abilities after he(acno) ate it. Y'all get?

With that said, isshiki solos. Naruto & sasuke are already above both acno & zeref in power, and a weaker jigen beat them, isshiki should steam roll.

Although on a second thought, this could end in a stalemate or the FT side(just zeref) winning very highdiff because, the boruto team have no way to get rid of zeref. Sure, isshiki could take his time to beat zeref forever but he doesn't have the stamina/energy reserve to do that. If he can't do that, then zeref would win after getting curb stomped and thousand times and isshiki runs out of energy) and gets tired.

This could go either ways depending on the rules for this fight(which the OP didn't even include, a shame).

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@westwood_trevor: Right? How are they even gonna beat Isshiki if he gets Kawaki's body??

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Zeref.

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Isn’t incap a thing? Immortality doesn’t take that way last I check.

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#47  Edited By High_Pressure

@el_directo_:

BFR will NOT be a problem for zeref.

BFR into another dimension with a different Time Space? I'm pretty sure it will work.

Then, When he attained fairy heart he even further mentions that he has gained dominion or perfect control over TIME-SPACE(further cementing the fact the spacial powers is nothing to him, and what he did with the time rift wasn't a fluke).

He may have obtained control over his own world Time Space, but getting BFR'd into a whole different Time Space not related with your world is completely different (literally a different dimension, like a sorta parallel universe)... and about parallel universe-things... Jigen literally said that he sent Naruto into a world where Konoha does not exist:

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Furthermore Zeref has no dimensional travel feats whatsoever.

Also what if Jigen or Isshiki seals Zeref inside his bowl and shrink it with Daikokuten, endind into a dimension where the time doesn't flow? Double problem if you can't rewind time nor cannot dimensional travel.

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And if Isshiki dies he turns into informations and possesses his body:

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Zeref has teleportation and time rewind, so lel at BFR.

Zeref oneshot that trash villain with Brandish rip off ability, and solos the verse.

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@high_pressure said:

This is spite.

@mattyboi said:

Isshiki solos the verse.

@mevbi said:

Isshiki kills Acnologia and stomps Zeref

@dhdfh said:
@ultimatesage said:

Alien man solos the verse

@narutouzumakimedakakurokami said:

Isshiki BFR to another dimension or Kaguya's dimension and solos the verse.

@cyberblades22 said:

Either Jigen or Isshiki solo the FT verse.

Unless this is regular human monk Jigen, then only Isshiki solos.

@animefreak1 said:

If this is the original Jigen then he dies

The dude is literally just a normal everyday monk

As for Isshiki though, he one shots both Zeref and Acnologia with no difficulties

And if people try to bring up Zeref's Immortality

BFR to another Dimension GG

@juiceboks@jedixman@emperorthanos-

Mismatch. Both Jigen and Isshiki are close if not comparable to the likes of Kaguya.

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