•EOS Versions
•In Character
•Location: Hiddan Snake Grotto
•Starting Distance: 55ft
•No Knowledge/Prep
•Canon Feats Only
•Edo Tensei Restricted
•Win by DEATH
Jellal stomps, better physicals, better defense, better DC/AP, better everything.
the only thing Orochimaru has going for him is better Regeneration.
SOS Jellal is more than enough.
Recall how Orochimaru said he would die from a KN4 TBB if it him? Well, Jellal certainly oneshots him with this that he did in pre-time skip:
Show me the damage afterward of that flashy attack and lets see how much damage it caused.
Recall how Orochimaru said he would die from a KN4 TBB if it him? Well, Jellal certainly oneshots him with this that he did in pre-time skip:
That was a much weaker Orochimaru.
@lichvanastrea: Much weaker? Well, it still doesn't matter. He can't tank that and likely can't regenerate given mountain lvl attacks are established beyond what most Kages can comprehend. Let's not forget Jellal is way faster and stronger.
@woodward: Orochimaru was on the verge of death due to his body needing to be replaced (he held out longer than usual because he wanted Sasuke to become the perfect vessel for him) and because of what Hiruzen did to his arms. A healthy Orochimaru would not be in any fatal danger against Four Tailed Naruto. Even when he fought 4 Tailed Naruto while he was sick, weak, and had severely limited usage of his arms he was to an extent toying with him. It's a pretty big deal when you consider that Jiraiya was nearly killed by Naruto in that state or weaker. While Orochimaru walked away pretty much unharmed after smacking him all over the forest and causing lots of collateral damage.
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@woodward: Not saying that he wins but Orochimaru couldn't even use jutsu versus Kn4. And I also would like to see the Damage that attack actually did.
Orochimaru is just lacking feats and you can't really scale him off of Jiraiya (who he was superior to and had defeated years prior) or Tsunade (who he tanked) since his power set is so different and varied. Jellal should win based off what we know. We don't know nearly enough. Orochimaru, like Kakashi, supposedly mastered all types of jutsu and could even use different chakras to do different types of things and studied this extensively. We never see this though.
tl;dr Jellal should win
@woodward: Not saying that he wins but Orochimaru couldn't even use jutsu versus Kn4. And I also would like to see the Damage that attack actually did.
Orochimaru DID use jutsu. He summoned walls to avoid damage and did his reborn snake jutsu after getting hit especially hard. If i recall correctly at least. Orochimaru choose to retreat instead of fighting because it suddenly wasn't his problem anymore as soon as Naruto went rage mode. Orochimaru's actions can be summed up as risk vs reward most of the time. His only reward for staying there would be delaying Akatsuki's plans and leaving Naruto to his own devices also serves that same purpose since he learned they took out Sasori.
@wabubub: he used a summoning scroll for the gates and he didn't use a single hand sign.
Jellal wins.
Recall how Orochimaru said he would die from a KN4 TBB if it him? Well, Jellal certainly oneshots him with this that he did in pre-time skip:
Show me the damage afterward of that flashy attack and lets see how much damage it caused.
Really dude? That blast is clearly above Orochimaru's pay grade. Orohcimaru's only chance here is poison, genjutsu, or some other trick. He clearly isn't coming out of that blast without at least being horribly injured, and this was pre time skip Jellal.
Who's dissing my boy Orochimaru? Orochimaru may not have much firepower but he makes up for it with versatility,speed, intellect and durability.
Jellal wins.
Recall how Orochimaru said he would die from a KN4 TBB if it him? Well, Jellal certainly oneshots him with this that he did in pre-time skip:
Show me the damage afterward of that flashy attack and lets see how much damage it caused.
Really dude? That blast is clearly above Orochimaru's pay grade. Orohcimaru's only chance here is poison, genjutsu, or some other trick. He clearly isn't coming out of that blast without at least being horribly injured, and this was pre time skip Jellal.
Blast AOE is not directly proportional to AP. Natsu always make big boom without any significant damage to the surrounding.
I want to know how much damage it has caused to know its AP. Only then I can make any argument on who win.
THere are also many factors which decide the battle like Character's speed, intellect hax etc. So I would like to look into all that.
Blast AOE is not directly proportional to AP.
If we don't know the potency we should assume it's busting tier is around that of a standard explosion of that size.
Natsu always make big boom without any significant damage to the surrounding.
I want to know how much damage it has caused to know its AP. Only then I can make any argument on who win.
He doesn't need that feat to win. He was able to fight with Acnologia a bit, hurting him and surviving hits. That is enough to put him above Orochimaru in attack power and durability.
THere are also many factors which decide the battle like Character's speed, intellect hax etc. So I would like to look into all that.
Yeah I agree. Orochimaru is a slippery one, and is probably more intelligent. Because of that he has a small chance, but Jellal has the better stats by a pretty large margin.
Orochimaru should win, he's far to versatile and was contending with KN4 Naruto without hands and majority of his ninjutsu with the exception of those body modifications he had.
Orochimaru should win, he's far to versatile and was contending with KN4 Naruto without hands and majority of his ninjutsu with the exception of those body modifications he had.
he was getting ragdol by Kn4, the only reason he survived was due to his regeneration, his body was cut in half, his arm was ripped apart and more, you cant call that contending he was clearly outmatched, he couldnt even scratch Naruto.
Orochimaru is not focused on AP potency his ability to kill comes from his piercing damage and poisons(Kusanagi sword and fangs) furthermore his paralyze skills and HAXs are underestimated
Orochimaru has Shinigami mask/Shiki Fūjin and knows how to use KBs he can use clones with Shiki just like Hiruzen
Orochimaru can be possessed by the Shinigami through the power of the mask and control the god of death
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Fūinjutsu may paralyze
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paralysis technique
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Hebi Henge no Jutsu top regeneration, poisoning and paralysis
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Fushi Tensei
DEFINITELY orochimaru. He may have become dead weightish during EOS but ignoring that hes very good.
I dont even see how jellal can put him down when this dude is literally "coughing up" a new body every 2 seconds, survived getting literally CUT IN HALF by 4 tails Naruto and even his rashiram jutsu is impressive. It blocked a 4 tails bijuu bomb.
Ontop of that orochimaru MURDER STONPS in terms of intellect, experience and maybe skill.
@raziel2014: While it's true he was on the losing end of the fight against KN4 Naruto, he also didn't have his hands to allow him to perform all his jutsus nor did he use his giant snake form, his multi headed snake form he used against Itachi's susasnoo, or his Manda summoning. Also after being brought back by Sasuke he absorbed chakra from dragon sage mode Kabuto and then took over a Zetsu body to gain Hashirama cells, which gave him enough power to restrain edo Tobirama. There's also the fact that he can poison his enemies most of the time without them evening realizing it until it's too late. Those are all reasons why I think Orochimaru wins, with the use of his hands he's far more versatile and along with how much stronger he has got in the 4th ninja war.
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