jean grey vs zatanna

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#1 Posted by kn210nlng_kita (97 posts) - - Show Bio

magic vs psychic 
   deathmatch

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#2 Posted by Mercy_ (94928 posts) - - Show Bio
@kn210nlng_kita: What level is Jean Grey at? If you don't specify then it's assumed that she's at her most current level, which is WPotC, in which case this would be spite.
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#3 Posted by kn210nlng_kita (97 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress:  jean grey without the power of phoenix!! can her psychic ability prevail against the mystical magic of zatanna?
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#4 Posted by JediXMan (42910 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean could win, but only if she's fast enough to bring down Zatanna before she can speak.

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#5 Posted by Silver2467 (16759 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Jean would win even if Zatanna was able to strike first. Jean's got a lot of power at her disposal, even without the Phoenix. 

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#6 Posted by deactivated-5c6600594117e (22316 posts) - - Show Bio

Ohw sekirts tsrif.
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#7 Posted by Sherlock (7491 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean wins Even WO Phoenix

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#8 Posted by Corylamount (902 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna will have to go first to win but Jean has a advantage because she can just blast her but if Zatanna strikes then she will win. But most likely Jean will blast first and win.

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#9 Posted by storm-is-life (854 posts) - - Show Bio

If zatanna speaks, jean has close to 0% chance of winning

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#10 Posted by green_skaar (13039 posts) - - Show Bio

Speed is often overrated imo, however this is a match where the quickest to the draw wins.

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#11 Posted by deactivated-59dfd33ed3601 (5575 posts) - - Show Bio
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#12 Posted by del_torro (3945 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say Jean thinks faster than zatanna speaks, she could snap her neck with a thought. I don't want to mention telepathy, I'm sure zatanna has high mental shields.

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#13 Posted by ivan_jimenez86 (1122 posts) - - Show Bio

MISTMATCH!!!

Zatanna murders Jean Grey! She has shown high-end telepathic resistance due to her natural magical nature. When she does use her magic, jean will be altered to a rat!

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#14 Posted by NewWorldOrder (1776 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna

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#15 Posted by destinyman75 (15927 posts) - - Show Bio

Man though one Want to say Jean because she can think before zantanna speaks, but zantanna has some TP resistance. Depends on how much resistance Zantanna has. Who has scans of that?

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#16 Posted by Mooty_Pass (10681 posts) - - Show Bio

@destinyman75: I was going to say the same, BUT I did not know Zatanna had some for of TP resistance. Ok so what about TK? Jean could probably take her out using TK

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#17 Posted by deactivated-1351355 (5579 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't seen any feat for Jean that could be remotely close to Zee's fight against Zor.

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#18 Posted by destinyman75 (15927 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormphoenix: That is what Jean is great at. But I'm wondering even though Jean can affect Selene and her Shadow self, what are the odds of her recognizing the danger before Selene hits? She's fast so may be difficult. Still leaning Jean but still also pondering on that.

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#19 Edited by deactivated-1351355 (5579 posts) - - Show Bio

@destinyman75 said:

That is what Jean is great at. But I'm wondering even though Jean can affect Selene and her Shadow self, what are the odds of her recognizing the danger before Selene hits? She's fast so may be difficult. Still leaning Jean but still also pondering on that.

Wrong thread, friend.

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#22 Posted by Mooty_Pass (10681 posts) - - Show Bio

Can someone post scans of Zatanna resistance to TP? And if she has resistance to TK I'd like Scans for that too. I'm thinking Jean could grab he via TK before she utters a words

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#23 Posted by destinyman75 (15927 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormphoenix: lol was commenting on two Jean threads At the same time. Here and vs Selene

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#24 Posted by British_Loki (844 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna need to see some TP resisting feats from Z to decide.

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#25 Posted by Rockette (6659 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna need to see some TP resisting feats from Z to decide.

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She has strong enough will power to bring her mind back after being turned into a doll!

Her will power is enough to protect her from TP.

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#26 Posted by British_Loki (844 posts) - - Show Bio

@rockette: that is way to vague to be used seriously. That or you just didn't give me context.

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#27 Posted by Rockette (6659 posts) - - Show Bio

@rockette: that is way to vague to be used seriously. That or you just didn't give me context.

Ya think?

Lol!

I just found what I could.

I don't know that Zatanna has straight-up TP resistance.

But, it has been shown that people with strong willpowers (like Namor for instance) have non-direct resistance to TP. When Emma Frost tried to get into Namor's head, she found strong resistance through sheer willpower, and he wasn't even trying to keep her out.

What I sent you shows that Zatanna has willpower enough to reanimate herself after she was turned into a freakin' doll.

That has to count for something.

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#28 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (7506 posts) - - Show Bio

@rockette: Emma not being able to do something is not proof Jean can't as Jean is far more powerful than Emma. Jean has mindraped Juggernaut, Magento and diamond form Emma, all of them were supposedly immune to telepathy so without PIS telepathic resistance should never be a problem for Jean based on her feats against so called immunity.

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#29 Edited by TheVoidofDeath (2160 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean

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#30 Posted by deactivated-59dfd33ed3601 (5575 posts) - - Show Bio

@british_loki: @rockette: She has forced Martian Manhunter out of her head and resisted Despero's telepathy on two occassions.

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#31 Posted by Rockette (6659 posts) - - Show Bio

@british_loki: @rockette: She has forced Martian Manhunter out of her head and resisted Despero's telepathy on two occassions.

Impressive.

Then yes, she can resist Jean.

But for how long?

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#32 Posted by Batvibe12 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio
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I believe Zatanna could win the majority. After all, she did this:

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#33 Edited by del_torro (3945 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean snaps her neck or stops her heart or blows her brains out

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#34 Posted by British_Loki (844 posts) - - Show Bio

@rockette: with Jean it doesn't really count, as she has gotten into people like juggs while he had his helmet on.

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#37 Posted by Contingency (8827 posts) - - Show Bio

All Z has to do is say POTS and she autowins.

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#38 Edited by TheOneWhoKnows (4916 posts) - - Show Bio

It is certainly FEASIBLE for Jean to win...

But a woman who has TP resistance feats that include resisting J'onn, and has such PRODIGOUS mystical might at her disposal---

the odds favor the erom ylekil emoctuo fo: annataZ sinW.

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#39 Posted by mr-luxcipher (7593 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna(more often than not).

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#40 Edited by Uallhoes (304 posts) - - Show Bio

Sexy z beats boring grey

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#41 Posted by geekryan (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

It is certainly FEASIBLE for Jean to win...

But a woman who has TP resistance feats that include resisting J'onn, and has such PRODIGOUS mystical might at her disposal---

the odds favor the erom ylekil emoctuo fo: annataZ sinW.

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#42 Posted by Lucano (3519 posts) - - Show Bio

Eid hctib

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#43 Posted by TheVoidofDeath (2160 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna wins? I don't think so .. Yeah Zatanna can be fast , but Raven was fast enough to put her and the jla in stasis .,

Jean possess far greater raw psionic power than both Charles and Emma.. that is why Charles needed to tap to her reservoir of psionic energy for him to make contact with Akhenaten, the then possessor of the HOTU. Having said this , Cassandra Nova.. Emma's diamond form is said to be immune to telepathy , but Jean tore her mind apart . There are multiple instances of Jean mind raping characters that are immune to tp .

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#44 Posted by xMangog__Beastx (4802 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#45 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio

Zee

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#46 Posted by s1ckb0y (777 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna. eid yerg naej.

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#47 Edited by bdelloidgrain2 (2083 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna wins.

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#48 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio
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#49 Posted by Britain (568 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna

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#50 Posted by Soratoumiga (5425 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna.

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