@pyrofn:
Yes, she has physically dodged psychic assault from Moondragon - Avengers Vol 1 #134 and reflected Jean's TP. "She has hard enough time as it is with those weaker than Jean." What do you mean? You mean that 90's version one where she only has hex bolts? 90's Jean gets TP'd by her own power when she supposed to be on-guard.
That's also the weaker version of Wanda. 90's Jean and Current Jean is not really different. But, there is much difference between Classic Wanda and Current Wanda. I think you misunderstood about her when it comes to TP. All scans you've provided is when Wanda is off-guard so it is irrelevant, because in this battle Wanda is not off-guard. But Like I said, when she is on guard she can defend against TP. Ex: She has physically dodged psychic assault from Moondragon - Avengers Vol 1 #134 and reflected Jean's TP. So, it is true that she is consistent when it comes to her vs telepath.
Again, it was an off-guard Wanda. I've explained it. Please read the 2nd paragraph again.
Again, Wanda was off-guard in all of that scans. I've explained it. Please read the 2nd paragraph again. Besides all of that scans are when Wanda was off-guard (which is again irrelevant), you also haven't provided her anti-feats when it comes to her vs telepath in 2016 - 2020 (because there isn't one), her current version one. Your best argument is Wanda 1998 - 2016, when in this fight, we use her Current version (2016 - 2020). 1964 - 1998 and 1998 - 2016 Wanda is nowhere near 2016 - 2020 Wanda can do.
How fast can Jean enter someone's mind? Because Wanda can also get into Jean's head tho if it's needed. It seems that Wanda can attack faster than her TP.
Hm, seems you finally came with some actual arguments. Let’s see how they hold.
1) “Yes, she has physically dodged psychic assault from Moondragon - Avengers Vol 1 #134”
Applicable to psychic bolts. Not to telepathy in general. A simple sleep mental command is all that’s necessary.
2) “reflected Jean's TP”
Alresdy addressed. Jean was not ready, is much more seasoned, and this isn’t something Wanda does on a regular basis against telepaths.
It holds no weight in an argument about current Jean.
3) “She has hard enough time as it is with those weaker than Jean." What do you mean? You mean that 90's version one where she only has hex bolts? 90's Jean gets TP'd by her own power when she supposed to be on-guard”
Let’s get one thing straight before I completely dismantle your argument. Jean had no reason to be prepared for a fight. Jean was looking for Quicksilver’s child. There was no reason for her to expect her own powers to be reflected back in herself. Your claim that she should have been on guard is blatantly wrong.
Next, You throwing 90’s Jean in my face is the equivalent of me saying that Classic Wanda is the representation of current Wanda. It is wrong in every regard and does not apply to Wanda who now knows how her powers work better than she did before.
As for what I meant to begin with, I am talking about Wanda being mind-raped by Emma, Xavier, and Red Skull, all of whom are within Jean’s range of power, but are weaker in direct comparison. And hell, Teen Jean read Wanda’s memories without Wanda’s permission, displaying that Wanda’s reflective hex bolt trick is not always applicable. The very definition of inconsistent.
4) “Again, it was an off-guard Wanda. I've explained it. Please read the 2nd paragraph again.”
Apparently, you don’t even know what you put. Going back to your comments, which by the way was not a recent one, the only time you made mention of anyone being unaware was acknowledging that Jean was unaware of Wanda’s presence. Nothing about Wanda.
This also in essence derails your own argument more by saying that ”Jean gets tp’d by her own power when she is supposed to be on-guard”. You just admitted Jean wasn’t aware of Wanda and there was never a reason for Jean to be on-guard to begin with. In fact, psi-probing an area is to serve the function of seeing what is going on, so that Jean knows whether it’s safe to proceed or be cautious. That makes your entire argument regarding 90’s Jean completely wrong.
5) “Again, Wanda was off-guard in all of that scans. I've explained it”
No, you didn’t. In fact, your argument was that those were Classic Wanda scans, displaying you have no clue what anyone is talking about. At least not to me.
Let’s entertain your argument for just a second though. Scan by scan.
•Xavier vs HoM Wanda: You just said that Wanda only has resistance feats when she is unstable, yet here is Xavier controlling Wanda to set things right again. Your claim falls apart here.
•Red Skull vs Wanda: Oh please. Wanda literally woke up to Red Skull who told her exactly what he was gonna have her do as she was telling him to back away and then he pulls a mind-control after a bit of conversation. What, you want a combat situation? Read Axis number 1 and he is literally using Rogue against Wanda before turning his telepathy on Wanda. She knew exactly that he had Xavier’s powers by then and knew what she was up against and could not stop him. So get the hell out of here on that nonsense about Wanda being caught off-guard.
•Teen Jean vs Wanda: Probably the only one I could hypothetically give you, since Jean is reading her mind without permission and the Avengers came in peace. Yet, you are trying to use the 90’s reflect feat against Jean, so that falls apart in your face, since that would insinuate Wanda definitely knows when to use her powers cause she can see or sense telepathy right? Yeah, this feat shows the contrary. So, the fact that Wanda was caught off-guard at all perpetuates the exact argument I have been making. Wanda is inconsistent.
•Emma vs Wanda: Oh please! Wanda struck the first blow on Emma an issue beforehand and the X-Men announced that they were there to put Wanda to justice, with Wanda clearly resisting their efforts. There is absolutely no reason for Wanda to expect anything less from Emma Frost. Your argument falls apart here as well.
All cases given fall apart with the arguments you have been giving. So take your “Wanda was caught off-guard” out of here because that is far from the truth in the context of everyone of those scans.
6) “Besides all of that scans are when Wanda was off-guard (which is again irrelevant), you also haven't provided her anti-feats when it comes to her vs telepath in 2016 - 2020 (because there isn't one), her current version one”
Ah, yes. Second paragraph of which comment? This one?
” Wanda was still inexperienced and again, she was only a probability manipulator. But she still managed to drop Jean easily (yes, I know she was unaware)“
Oh, wait, you mean this one?
“No.
Like she did to Jean Grey.”
Those are all the replies you made to me. If you been discussing with someone else, then refer me to the comments you mean because you explained nothing to me.
As for her current form, what feats? You don’t have any psi feats for current Wanda because current Wanda hasn’t faced any telepaths. If she has, then you should be posting those feats instead of outdated ones. That is not on me.
7) “Your best argument is Wanda 1998 - 2016”
Because that is the most up-to-date records that Wanda has. You this far have not given anything for current Wanda and Jean has not faced Wanda since All-New X-Men. For every intent and purpose, Current Wanda is featless, unless you can actually bring something substantial.
Log in to comment