Jason Todd vs Arsenal

Damn this is a good fight. Idk man I wanna say JT but Roy has the advantage and the aim so Roy-boy can take this.

Roy. He has the high ground.

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

" @FinalStar86:  Yeah Roy-Boy is a beast. "

" @Decoy Elite said:

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

All of the floors are straight though, the only way this would be an advantage is if Roy was fighting Jason on stairs.  They are inside of a building.  "

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

All of the floors are straight though, the only way this would be an advantage is if Roy was fighting Jason on stairs.  They are inside of a building.  "

I was making a slight Star Wars reference. But in all seriousness I'd say Roy takes this after a good fight. He should be able to take Jason from afar, and even if things get close he should be able to hold Todd off long enough to get a good distance for long ranged attacks once more. "

" @FinalStar86: I think when a man is driven he can do many things. "

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

" @Decoy Elite said:

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

Gah. One of the few things I dislike about Star Wars....  
 
I'm going with Roy after a good fight. He's earned my respect; Jason has not. At least not yet. "

" @JediXMan said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

Gah. One of the few things I dislike about Star Wars....  
 
I'm going with Roy after a good fight. He's earned my respect; Jason has not. At least not yet. "

LOL  Jason has been able to take it to Bats before, Ollie stated that Roy was better then he was but we couldn't see him fight at his potential since he was all junked up on heroic.  "

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @JediXMan said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

Gah. One of the few things I dislike about Star Wars....  
 
I'm going with Roy after a good fight. He's earned my respect; Jason has not. At least not yet. "

LOL  Jason has been able to take it to Bats before, Ollie stated that Roy was better then he was but we couldn't see him fight at his potential since he was all junked up on heroic.  "

Hmm. I don't remember that; though I haven't read THAT much of Jason. Must fix that.  I might change my vote. He almost lost to Tim, which at first I saw as a negative; but Tim is an excellent fighter in his own right. He's no kid anymore, and when he was he was still a very good fighter. "

" @JediXMan said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @JediXMan said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

Gah. One of the few things I dislike about Star Wars....  
 
I'm going with Roy after a good fight. He's earned my respect; Jason has not. At least not yet. "

LOL  Jason has been able to take it to Bats before, Ollie stated that Roy was better then he was but we couldn't see him fight at his potential since he was all junked up on heroic.  "

Hmm. I don't remember that; though I haven't read THAT much of Jason. Must fix that.  I might change my vote. He almost lost to Tim, which at first I saw as a negative; but Tim is an excellent fighter in his own right. He's no kid anymore, and when he was he was still a very good fighter. "

When did he almost lose to Tim? He beat the hell out of him in BFTC even though Tim tried using a crowbar, he also beat the hell out of him in the current TT run.  "

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @JediXMan said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @JediXMan said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

Gah. One of the few things I dislike about Star Wars....  
 
I'm going with Roy after a good fight. He's earned my respect; Jason has not. At least not yet. "

LOL  Jason has been able to take it to Bats before, Ollie stated that Roy was better then he was but we couldn't see him fight at his potential since he was all junked up on heroic.  "

Hmm. I don't remember that; though I haven't read THAT much of Jason. Must fix that.  I might change my vote. He almost lost to Tim, which at first I saw as a negative; but Tim is an excellent fighter in his own right. He's no kid anymore, and when he was he was still a very good fighter. "

When did he almost lose to Tim? He beat the hell out of him in BFTC even though Tim tried using a crowbar, he also beat the hell out of him in the current TT run.  "

Tim had gained the upper hand during the end of that fight. He was winning until Jason stabbed him. "

" @Zoom: I blame Roy's attitude on drugs and grief. "

Roy wins.

Roy

" Roy "

And in the fight against Tim in Titans that was a fully prepped Jason attacking an unprepared Tim whom he blinded and Jason still walked away from that fight beaten to crap  

Roy

" @JediXMan said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @JediXMan said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

Gah. One of the few things I dislike about Star Wars....  
 
I'm going with Roy after a good fight. He's earned my respect; Jason has not. At least not yet. "

LOL  Jason has been able to take it to Bats before, Ollie stated that Roy was better then he was but we couldn't see him fight at his potential since he was all junked up on heroic.  "

Hmm. I don't remember that; though I haven't read THAT much of Jason. Must fix that.  I might change my vote. He almost lost to Tim, which at first I saw as a negative; but Tim is an excellent fighter in his own right. He's no kid anymore, and when he was he was still a very good fighter. "

When did he almost lose to Tim? He beat the hell out of him in BFTC even though Tim tried using a crowbar, he also beat the hell out of him in the current TT run.  "

I give it Roy. But this is a hard fight. 

when he gets a hold on him Jason uses audio equipment sheets and shadows to hide from Tim and cheat and fight like a coward.  

"@FinalStar86 said:

" @JediXMan said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @JediXMan said:

" @Decoy Elite said:

" Roy. He has the high ground. "

Gah. One of the few things I dislike about Star Wars....  
 
I'm going with Roy after a good fight. He's earned my respect; Jason has not. At least not yet. "

LOL  Jason has been able to take it to Bats before, Ollie stated that Roy was better then he was but we couldn't see him fight at his potential since he was all junked up on heroic.  "

Hmm. I don't remember that; though I haven't read THAT much of Jason. Must fix that.  I might change my vote. He almost lost to Tim, which at first I saw as a negative; but Tim is an excellent fighter in his own right. He's no kid anymore, and when he was he was still a very good fighter. "

When did he almost lose to Tim? He beat the hell out of him in BFTC even though Tim tried using a crowbar, he also beat the hell out of him in the current TT run.  "

I think he's refering to "Under the Hood" "

 @k4tzm4n said:

" @velle37: I've only seen 3 encounters between them and in each it was clear Todd was just fine.  SoM mentioned a fight they had in "Red Robin", but I haven't read the series yet.  Him providing an issue # or scans would help greatly. "

" @Zoom: I blame Roy's attitude on drugs and grief. "

Sorry to bail in the middle had class lol 

It was in the Robin series not Red Robin in issue 176 around.  

My point is though Todd knew about the fight and was ready that is a big weighing factor in a fight as well 

Tim retrieved his Bo Staff and had the upperhand until Jason blinded him with the sand.  
 

" I feel Jason being a better fighter than Tim is bad writing.  That is, based on their training and the obstacles they've overcome and Tim's performance against various high level villains (Deathstroke and Harm come to mind) that he should be a better fighter than Jason.  Instead, Jason is a better fighter than Tim because the writer said so. "

" I feel Jason being a better fighter than Tim is bad writing.  That is, based on their training and the obstacles they've overcome and Tim's performance against various high level villains (Deathstroke and Harm come to mind) that he should be a better fighter than Jason.  Instead, Jason is a better fighter than Tim because the writer said so. "

" @Zoom said:

" I feel Jason being a better fighter than Tim is bad writing.  That is, based on their training and the obstacles they've overcome and Tim's performance against various high level villains (Deathstroke and Harm come to mind) that he should be a better fighter than Jason.  Instead, Jason is a better fighter than Tim because the writer said so. "

Jason really hasn't had as much exposure as Tim and never got his own series unless you count mini's, which still pales in comparison to a near 200 issue series and a bunch of annuals.   Last time I saw Tim and Deathstroke, Slade was about to put a bullet in his face before Kid Flash saved him "

" @Zoom: Days of Lost dives into the training he receives after being revived instead of just "he trains for years" as stated in Under the Red Hood. "

" @Zoom said:

" I feel Jason being a better fighter than Tim is bad writing.  That is, based on their training and the obstacles they've overcome and Tim's performance against various high level villains (Deathstroke and Harm come to mind) that he should be a better fighter than Jason.  Instead, Jason is a better fighter than Tim because the writer said so. "

I see it more as the writer thinking he is older her most be better  
 
@FinalStar86 said:

" @Zoom said:

" I feel Jason being a better fighter than Tim is bad writing.  That is, based on their training and the obstacles they've overcome and Tim's performance against various high level villains (Deathstroke and Harm come to mind) that he should be a better fighter than Jason.  Instead, Jason is a better fighter than Tim because the writer said so. "

Jason really hasn't had as much exposure as Tim and never got his own series unless you count mini's, which still pales in comparison to a near 200 issue series and a bunch of annuals.   Last time I saw Tim and Deathstroke, Slade was about to put a bullet in his face before Kid Flash saved him "

Tim also jammed a throwing star in Deathstroke's eye but JAson should last no better than Tim or Dick against Stroke 
 
@k4tzm4n said:

" @Zoom: Days of Lost dives into the training he receives after being revived instead of just "he trains for years" as stated in Under the Red Hood. "

Jason's mercenaries can not really compare to Lady Shiva, The worlds best around the world, an entire teenage life with Bruce Dick Cassie and Wildcat. "

" @FinalStar86: That came out wrong I just meant that they were his trainers. He never received training from the LOA the whole time he was with them he was braindead  "