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#1 Posted by Cognitive (1812 posts) - - Show Bio

The holy ax

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Gauntlet

  1. New 52 Wonder Woman
  2. Post Crisis Wonder Woman
  3. Jane Thor (Earth-616)
  4. Hyperion (Earth-13034)
  5. Gladiator (Earth-616)
  6. New 52 Superman
  7. Post Crisis Captain Marvel
  8. The Sentry (Earth-616)
  9. Beta Ray Bill (Earth-616)
  10. Post Crisis Superman
  11. Majestros (Wildstorm)
  12. The Hulk (Earth-616)
  13. Silver Surfer (Earth-616)
  14. H/P Doomsday
  15. Thanos (Earth-616)
  16. Odin (Earth-616)
  17. Galactus (Earth-616)

BONUS ROUND

The mega-mad celestial

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EXPLANATION

The characters above are forced to stand still and take a full strike from current Thor (Earth-616) using the ax,if they get one-shot-killed,then it'll be counted as a pass for Jarnbjorn.

Jarnbjorn is ''fully fixed'' after each round.

RULES

No amps

Morals off for Thor

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#2 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio

Clears :))))))

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#3 Posted by jay_z94 (8186 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at H/P Doomsday or Thanos.

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#4 Posted by Battle123axe (8898 posts) - - Show Bio

Frankly I don't see it getting past the hulk, it won't really hurt him too much in general considering it's showings against Cho and other characters. It could also stop at 8-11 depending on whether sentry needing to regen counts as death and the other character's piercing resistance

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#5 Posted by IceHeart_30 (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Hyperion

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#6 Posted by cosmic_reign (3414 posts) - - Show Bio

Axe was enchanted to pierce Celestial armor(PIS IMO), which none have here.

Most of these characters should be able tank Axe as Apoc literally laughed at it before the enchantment.

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#7 Posted by justicethorpsylocke (3068 posts) - - Show Bio

Surely clears 1-3, debatably clears 4-7 (though I don't personally see it having a great chance), but past that I can't really see an argument being made for Jarnbjorn.

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#8 Posted by green_skaar (12125 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 8, Sentry is immortal, shouldn't be in this gauntlet. After that stops at 12 and everyone beyond.

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#9 Posted by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

Janjborns cutting ability is very conflicting. Aside from Celestial armor which it was specifically enchanted to cut through(which no one here has) it was able to cut through some and fail to even scratch others.

For instance it gave Apoc a superficial wound(prior to the enchantment), it failed to cut Powerman and it failed to cut Cho Hulk. But it did cut Thors entire arm off, it cut through Mangogs tail off.

Either way it stops very early on in the gauntlet, it could stop at the very beginning at WW, but definitely stops at Superman.

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#10 Posted by dami24434 (4307 posts) - - Show Bio

under aaron pen, clears , under other writers e.g pak stops at hulk.

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#11 Posted by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 8, Sentry is immortal, shouldn't be in this gauntlet. After that stops at 12 and everyone beyond.

It usually takes a lot of time for Sentry to come back(and it always involves the Void or some external measures), so he isn't technically immortal, if anything Hulk is more immortal than he is.

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#12 Posted by Battle123axe (8898 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel said:

Janjborns cutting ability is very conflicting. Aside from Celestial armor which it was specifically enchanted to cut through(which no one here has) it was able to cut through some and fail to even scratch others.

For instance it gave Apoc a superficial wound(prior to the enchantment), it failed to cut Powerman and it failed to cut Cho Hulk. But it did cut Thors entire arm off, it cut through Mangogs tail off.

Either way it stops very early on in the gauntlet, it could stop at the very beginning at WW, but definitely stops at Superman.

to be fair in the same story Mangog was cut by Heimdall, and previously to being cut, he was burnt

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#13 Posted by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel said:

Janjborns cutting ability is very conflicting. Aside from Celestial armor which it was specifically enchanted to cut through(which no one here has) it was able to cut through some and fail to even scratch others.

For instance it gave Apoc a superficial wound(prior to the enchantment), it failed to cut Powerman and it failed to cut Cho Hulk. But it did cut Thors entire arm off, it cut through Mangogs tail off.

Either way it stops very early on in the gauntlet, it could stop at the very beginning at WW, but definitely stops at Superman.

to be fair in the same story Mangog was cut by Heimdall, and previously to being cut, he was burnt

If we went into detail about the whole thing, we could disregard the entire comic considering the badly written PIS by Aaron.

However to be fair to Heimdalls sword it's actually very powerful as it was made the same way as Thors hammer and from the same material as well as being enchanted by Odin and it even matched Thors hammer in a clash(even Thor admitted to it), it also has the power to command the cosmic blue flames of actual stars, it's not a bad weapon really.

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#14 Posted by Itachus17 (3302 posts) - - Show Bio

What is PC WW even doing here, piercing weapons were her literal main weakness(that's like putting Supes into a Gauntlet for a kryptonite weapon)? PC WW is overall drastically superior, but New52(no Rebirth) WW had actually no known piercing weapon weakness.

Hard too say were it stops though, Jarnjorn is pretty inconsistent.

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#15 Posted by Battle123axe (8898 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel said:
@battle123axe said:
@duriel said:

Janjborns cutting ability is very conflicting. Aside from Celestial armor which it was specifically enchanted to cut through(which no one here has) it was able to cut through some and fail to even scratch others.

For instance it gave Apoc a superficial wound(prior to the enchantment), it failed to cut Powerman and it failed to cut Cho Hulk. But it did cut Thors entire arm off, it cut through Mangogs tail off.

Either way it stops very early on in the gauntlet, it could stop at the very beginning at WW, but definitely stops at Superman.

to be fair in the same story Mangog was cut by Heimdall, and previously to being cut, he was burnt

If we went into detail about the whole thing, we could disregard the entire comic considering the badly written PIS by Aaron.

However to be fair to Heimdalls sword it's actually very powerful as it was made the same way as Thors hammer and from the same material as well as being enchanted by Odin and it even matched Thors hammer in a clash(even Thor admitted to it), it also has the power to command the cosmic blue flames of actual stars, it's not a bad weapon really.

yup, fair enough

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#16 Posted by TonyStark6999 (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

Clears. Celestials>>>Everyone in the gauntlet

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#17 Posted by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

Clears. Celestials>>>Everyone in the gauntlet

That's not how this works. The enchantment was specially made to cut through Celestial armor it had no effect on increasing Janjborns overall cutting ability on anything else.

That's like saying a spear made of Krypton can kill Superman therefore it can also kill Colossus because Superman > Colossus.

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#18 Posted by decaf_wizard (16822 posts) - - Show Bio

The autismo is stronk in this thread

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#19 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12367 posts) - - Show Bio

Has this Axe cut anyone who can no sell bullets like DCEU Doomsday ?

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#20 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

Has this Axe cut anyone who can no sell bullets like DCEU Doomsday ?

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#21 Edited by Cognitive (1812 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by TonyStark6999 (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel said:
@tonystark6999 said:

Clears. Celestials>>>Everyone in the gauntlet

That's not how this works. The enchantment was specially made to cut through Celestial armor it had no effect on increasing Janjborns overall cutting ability on anything else.

That's like saying a spear made of Krypton can kill Superman therefore it can also kill Colossus because Superman > Colossus.

Ok, can you show me the scans which show that The enchantment was specially made to cut through Celestial armor?

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#23 Posted by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel said:
@tonystark6999 said:

Clears. Celestials>>>Everyone in the gauntlet

That's not how this works. The enchantment was specially made to cut through Celestial armor it had no effect on increasing Janjborns overall cutting ability on anything else.

That's like saying a spear made of Krypton can kill Superman therefore it can also kill Colossus because Superman > Colossus.

Ok, can you show me the scans which show that The enchantment was specially made to cut through Celestial armor?

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#24 Posted by TonyStark6999 (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel: Specifically =/= Only and also no scan shows that It can only cut through Celestial armor

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#25 Edited by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel: Specifically =/= Only and also no scan shows that It can only cut through Celestial armor

I never said it can only cut through Celestial armor, my point is that the enchantment was specifically made FOR Celestial armor, Jarnbjorns ability to cut through other things remained as good/bad as it was before the enchantment. And unless you want to tell me that Powerman and Cho Hulk and a bunker wall made by Tony Stark > Celestials because it failed to cut through those 3 things i really don't see whats there more to discuss here.

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#26 Posted by TonyStark6999 (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel: As shown throughout the rest of its appearances while it may be especially effective against celestial armour the enchantment was really just to make it super sharp as we saw it cut a gaping hole in the destroyer

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#27 Posted by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel: As shown throughout the rest of its appearances while it may be especially effective against celestial armour the enchantment was really just to make it super sharp as we saw it cut a gaping hole in the destroyer

It cut through the destroyer in one scan but also failed to cut through it in another.

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and i also wouldn't call it a gaping hole when the axe later cuts Destroyer it was rather small and it cut him on the weak spot where its arm connects with the rest of the body.

I mean this still doesn't take away from the fact that it failed to cut Powerman, failed to cut Cho Hulk and failed to cut it's way through one of Tony Starks bunkers.

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#28 Edited by GucciBrick (582 posts) - - Show Bio

@cognitive: Does thanos get to use his forcefield or does he just have to tank it with his physical body?

He completely slaughters everyone in the gauntlet with one swipe all the way up until thanos. If thanos has no shields then he would also decapitate him. With odin and galactus, he would be able to inflict damage on them but wouldn't outright kill them or seriously wound them.

Frankly I don't see it getting past the hulk, it won't really hurt him too much in general considering it's showings against Cho and other characters. It could also stop at 8-11 depending on whether sentry needing to regen counts as death and the other character's piercing resistance

It won't get past the hulk yet hulk got shredded by secondary adamantium bullets in his strongest form in addition to consistently being stabbed by numerous swords, spears, etc, all much weaker than the axe being used here? Explain?

Consistency is what matters here. Cho resisting the axe is something unique only to cho, that feat doesnt transfer to banner hulk.

If the axe has cut 10 or more top tier beings but had trouble cutting cho hulk then consistency rules. You can't ignore good showings and only focus on bad ones, otherwise banner hulk has been stabbed by a lamp post iirc, and a trex and numerous other things, which means he would still get cut clean through here if we're going by your logic.

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#29 Posted by Battle123axe (8898 posts) - - Show Bio

just when I thought we got rid of WITB....

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#31 Posted by GucciBrick (582 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel said:

Janjborns cutting ability is very conflicting. Aside from Celestial armor which it was specifically enchanted to cut through(which no one here has) it was able to cut through some and fail to even scratch others.

For instance it gave Apoc a superficial wound(prior to the enchantment), it failed to cut Powerman and it failed to cut Cho Hulk. But it did cut Thors entire arm off, it cut through Mangogs tail off.

Either way it stops very early on in the gauntlet, it could stop at the very beginning at WW, but definitely stops at Superman.

As said before consistency is what rules.

No it didn't give Apocalypse a superficial wound. You completely left out the fact that it cut into apocalypses "indestructible" celestial armour. that is actually a very good showing considering how powerful celestial armour is.

Powerman actually absorbed the impact/blow from the axe, he didn't tank it using physical durability.

It failed to cut cho hulk under a writer worse than aaron. that is also a feat for cho hulk which doesnt transfer to banner hulk, not even world breaker hulk whos been shredded like swiss cheese from secondary adamantium bullets and a host of items weaker than thors axe.

Yes it cut thors arm and mangogs tail off. It also cut onslaughts horn off, and it has cut galactus and even the destroyer armor. Plus its cut gorr. And it actually did cut tony starks bunker, the bunker was simply too thick for the axe to cut clean through it in one swipe. Thats like saying a sword or axe is weak because it didnt chop through a planet or a country in one blow. that isnt how a cutting weapon works. if the axe is only like 10 inches long and the person wielding the axe has like 2 or 3 feet long arms, there is only a given amount of distance that the axe could actually cut through in one single blow.

so since the axe has like 10+ good showings and one or two bad showings, consistency rules man. you cant ignore consistency just because of personal preferences or biases. this is the part where you concede or show me where thanos and everyone below him has durability anywhere close to mangog or galan or others.

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@tonystark6999 said:

@duriel: As shown throughout the rest of its appearances while it may be especially effective against celestial armour the enchantment was really just to make it super sharp as we saw it cut a gaping hole in the destroyer

It cut through the destroyer in one scan but also failed to cut through it in another.

and i also wouldn't call it a gaping hole when the axe later cuts Destroyer it was rather small and it cut him on the weak spot where its arm connects with the rest of the body.

I mean this still doesn't take away from the fact that it failed to cut Powerman, failed to cut Cho Hulk and failed to cut it's way through one of Tony Starks bunkers.

ummm no it cut the destroyer first and didnt do much or anything, then cut it a second time then cut into it more

taking two swipes to cut the destroyer doesnt help your case because the destroyer is still confirmed as being more durable than uru or adamantium per handbooks and is still tougher and more resilient than literally anyone in this gauntlet...

and your three "low showings" either aren't low showings at all, and are easily outweighed by 10+ good showings. are you saying we should not go by consistency when it comes to how characters are portrayed? if a character or a weapon has 10 good showings and 3 bad ones, you're saying we go by the 3 bad ones and ignore the 10 better ones? that logic doesn't make sense. especially when only one out of your three examples is a true low showing!

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#32 Posted by GucciBrick (582 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, cho has less resistance to piercing than Banner, it took much less for blades to cut through him than they would to cut through Banner, this is stated in The Totally Awesome Hulk #19 - Weapons of Mutant Destruction Prelude

statements dont supersede actual feats. cho has limited appearances and was also on his way out in addition to being written by a bad writer. thor was also unworthy and weakened in that appearance. he wasnt the god of thunder there. cho being on his way out and being in the dark chulk form allowed pak to write him as much more powerful than usual.

note how thor performed against juggernaut, with a weaker hammer, due to being the god of thunder. so theres a distinction in how hes portrayed worthy vs unworthy even when it comes to physicals and strength.

anyways it still doesnt change the fact the axe has 10+ good showings and 1 or 2 bad ones. we have to go by consistency at the end of the day

statements about cho being weaker than banner dont really matter because banner was consistently cut by many weapons much weaker than thors axe (which cho tanked). and that was when banner was in his strongest forms too so yea

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#33 Posted by GucciBrick (582 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel: As shown throughout the rest of its appearances while it may be especially effective against celestial armour the enchantment was really just to make it super sharp as we saw it cut a gaping hole in the destroyer

yeah the enchantment obviously functioned by making it sharper and stronger overall

it obviously isnt celestial kryptonite or similar to the dc universe kryptonite

even before enchantment it cut apocalypses celestial armor, just not very much

and overall the axe is clearly an analogy to the mcu stormbreaker, i mean thor made stormbreaker there to beat thanos, but nowhere was it implied or stated the axe can only cut thanos.. its pretty clear the axe is overall powerful. the stormbreaker in the mcu was based off jarnbjorn conceptually... its very similar to that apoc fight where thor got beat around by apoc, then went and enchanted the axe then came back and stomped him

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#34 Posted by Battle123axe (8898 posts) - - Show Bio

greg pak "worse than aaron"

LMFAO

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#35 Edited by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@guccibrick: No it didn't give Apocalypse a superficial wound. You completely left out the fact that it cut into apocalypses "indestructible" celestial armour. that is actually a very good showing considering how powerful celestial armour i

Yes it did

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this is prior to the enchantment. I don't understand why i need to mention something that is obvious? I mean the whole point of Thor receiving the enchantment was to cut through Apoc and Apocs Celestial armor has been harmed by guys like Angel and Cyclops, it's not that indestructible.

Powerman actually absorbed the impact/blow from the axe, he didn't tank it using physical durability.

I don't think you understand how that worked, Thor hit him and instead of the axe cutting him, the blow itself was absorbed into Powerman, which still means Thor failed to cut him.

It failed to cut cho hulk under a writer worse than aaron. that is also a feat for cho hulk which doesnt transfer to banner hulk, not even world breaker hulk whos been shredded like swiss cheese from secondary adamantium bullets and a host of items weaker than thors axe.

Oh, i was wondering at first who this was, welcome back whoisthebest. Can you explain to me what Banner Hulk has to do with any of this? I mentioned Cho Hulk because that's who the axe was used against, it has literally nothing to do with Banner. Could you be any more obvious? Also it was WWH who was cut by adamantium, WBH wasn't cut by anything and Cho was cut by adamantium multiple, in fact it was explicitly stated on panel that he isn't as durable to cutting as Banner Hulk since the robots sent against Chulk cut through him faster than the scientist expect it would cut through Hulk. Go be salty somewhere else.

Yes it cut thors arm and mangogs tail off. It also cut onslaughts horn off, and it has cut galactus and even the destroyer armor. Plus its cut gorr. And it actually did cut tony starks bunker, the bunker was simply too thick for the axe to cut clean through it in one swipe. Thats like saying a sword or axe is weak because it didnt chop through a planet or a country in one blow. that isnt how a cutting weapon works. if the axe is only like 10 inches long and the person wielding the axe has like 2 or 3 feet long arms, there is only a given amount of distance that the axe could actually cut through in one single blow.

I already refuted this incoherent argument from your before regarding the bunker, Thors blows where actually seen from inside the bunker making a dent in it, so it had nothing to do with bunkers thickness but the fact that Thor doesn't hit hard enough with his axe to puncture through it. It couldn't cut through Tonys bunker fast enough for him to get inside, when has anyone tried to chop a planet in half with a weapon? I mean aside from Terrax who actually accomplished the feat? That's such a stupid argument especially since just using your 2-3 feet long arms makes your reach even less than using your arms plus a weapon and people have punched planets into pieces and punched through bunkers Thor couldn't.

so since the axe has like 10+ good showings and one or two bad showings, consistency rules man. you cant ignore consistency just because of personal preferences or biases. this is the part where you concede or show me where thanos and everyone below him has durability anywhere close to mangog or galan or others.

It actually has 4 bad showings and other showings aren't all good, since it hasn't cut anything thats specifically mentioned to be too durable for cutting and things that couldn't be cut by other weapons. Even Freiya cut into Destroyers face with her featless sword.

ummm no it cut the destroyer first and didnt do much or anything, then cut it a second time then cut into it more

No it actually didn't even as the pathetic troll that you are you should be able to grasp things even a little and see that Thor failed to cut in the picture i showed and he even states that EVENTUALLY it will cut through the Destroyers metal.

taking two swipes to cut the destroyer doesnt help your case because the destroyer is still confirmed as being more durable than uru or adamantium per handbooks and is still tougher and more resilient than literally anyone in this gauntlet...

Yea except Thor cut it on it's weak spot, not clean through it.

and your three "low showings" either aren't low showings at all, and are easily outweighed by 10+ good showings. are you saying we should not go by consistency when it comes to how characters are portrayed? if a character or a weapon has 10 good showings and 3 bad ones, you're saying we go by the 3 bad ones and ignore the 10 better ones? that logic doesn't make sense. especially when only one out of your three examples is a true low showing!

There are no 10+ good showings. Get out of my face with your nonsense and go back to making whiny PM's with gay porn or whatever, since that's your strong suit, now chop chop.

Oh btw, did you like She Hulk casually tanking the cold while Thor fell over frozen and almost died if it weren't for her sharing her heat with him, i thought that was funny. Or Thor almost dying by falling on sharp rocks? Or him almost dying to poisoned water? But Pak is a worse writer than Aaron... ayy lmao..

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#36 Posted by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

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@duriel: As shown throughout the rest of its appearances while it may be especially effective against celestial armour the enchantment was really just to make it super sharp as we saw it cut a gaping hole in the destroyer

yeah the enchantment obviously functioned by making it sharper and stronger overall

it obviously isnt celestial kryptonite or similar to the dc universe kryptonite

even before enchantment it cut apocalypses celestial armor, just not very much

and overall the axe is clearly an analogy to the mcu stormbreaker, i mean thor made stormbreaker there to beat thanos, but nowhere was it implied or stated the axe can only cut thanos.. its pretty clear the axe is overall powerful. the stormbreaker in the mcu was based off jarnbjorn conceptually... its very similar to that apoc fight where thor got beat around by apoc, then went and enchanted the axe then came back and stomped him

This all flat out false, the stormbreaker is based off.... wait for it... the actual stormbreaker in the comic.

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BRB's hammer, it's even the same name. It has nothing to do with Jarnbjorn.

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#37 Posted by jagernutt (16216 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Thanos. Maybe sooner.

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#38 Posted by GucciBrick (582 posts) - - Show Bio

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Yes it did

this is prior to the enchantment. I don't understand why i need to mention something that is obvious? I mean the whole point of Thor receiving the enchantment was to cut through Apoc and Apocs Celestial armor has been harmed by guys like Angel and Cyclops, it's not that indestructible.

It's disingenuous. You tried saying the axe failed to cut through apoc as if its a bad showing, yet in reality its a very good showing since the axe wasnt enchanted yet still cut into apocs celestial armor. Also, the axe is made out of the same stuff as mjolnir, and seems to be even more indestructible based on feats. and uru has already proven itself as being the strongest metal of the universe (with exception of destroyer armor). so having a bladed weapon made out of pure uru alone already is enough to show that a weapon made out of pure uru is gonna be pretty damn sharp.

Lmao so youre saying the enchantment was pointless? angel and cyclops could have cut and killed exitar? I wonder why they needed thor to kill exitar then? show me apocalypses celestial armor being damaged by angel or cyclops. im talking about his celestial armor, not his physical body, apocalypse never even had celestial armor until around the time he fought thor, so please show me cyclops damaging celestial armor. you do realize celestials have tanked thors most powerful mjolnir blow amped by the belt of strength with just a dent and in addition to that no sold things like odins destroyer disintegration beam and galactus' ultimate nullifier weapon? but youre saying angel and cyclops can supposedly damage celestial armor?

I don't think you understand how that worked, Thor hit him and instead of the axe cutting him, the blow itself was absorbed into Powerman, which still means Thor failed to cut him.

he absorbed the blow, he did not tank it with physical durability. that was written by bendis as well. regardless you still only have 2 low showings from questionable writers vs 10+ good showings.

Oh, i was wondering at first who this was, welcome back whoisthebest. Can you explain to me what Banner Hulk has to do with any of this? I mentioned Cho Hulk because that's who the axe was used against, it has literally nothing to do with Banner. Could you be any more obvious? Also it was WWH who was cut by adamantium, WBH wasn't cut by anything and Cho was cut by adamantium multiple, in fact it was explicitly stated on panel that he isn't as durable to cutting as Banner Hulk since the robots sent against Chulk cut through him faster than the scientist expect it would cut through Hulk. Go be salty somewhere else.

banner hulk is literally in this thread. people are trying to say "cho did this, banner can do it too" when that isnt how it works. cool cho did it, thats a feat for cho, not banner.

wbh was cut by a sword far weaker than adamantium or thors axe.

dark chulk is still clearly more resistant to piercing than world breaker hulk. you do realize these are the same writers writing both hulks right? and you do realize in the sakaar fight written by pak he had thor actually break through chos sakaarian sword, same type of sword wbh got almost killed by. so like it or not pak methodically set this up to show that cho is stronger, and tougher than banner. either way, you still only have two low showings, and we dont really know how powerful dark chulk even is, since hes gone now as well. for all we know, dark chulk may be above mangog and thanos, if we take his feat at face value, his piercing resistance is superior to mangog and thanos.

I already refuted this incoherent argument from your before regarding the bunker, Thors blows where actually seen from inside the bunker making a dent in it, so it had nothing to do with bunkers thickness but the fact that Thor doesn't hit hard enough with his axe to puncture through it. It couldn't cut through Tonys bunker fast enough for him to get inside, when has anyone tried to chop a planet in half with a weapon? I mean aside from Terrax who actually accomplished the feat? That's such a stupid argument especially since just using your 2-3 feet long arms makes your reach even less than using your arms plus a weapon and people have punched planets into pieces and punched through bunkers Thor couldn't.

Punching is blunt force.

Hulk "punched through" the bunker after thor almost took apart the entire thing.

you dont really understand the difference with how a punch works vs how a stabbing attack works. it had everything to do with the bunkers thickness, thor didnt get through the bunker with ONE blow, with more blows he clearly wouldve gotten through it. it doesnt need to be a planet. it can be anything. it can be a country. a city. etc.

hulk could thunderclap and bust a city, wouldnt you say? do you honestly think he would bust a city in one blow with just a single 1 foot long sword in one hand? no he wouldnt. it would take him a while to chop through an entire city. regardless of how sharp his sword was or how strong he was.

It actually has 4 bad showings and other showings aren't good, since it hasn't cut anything thats specifically mentioned to be too durable for cutting and things that couldn't be cut by other weapons.

lets count this out.

cut mangog, cut thor, cut apoc pre enchantment, cut gorr, cut destroyer, cut galactus, cut onslaught

failed to cut cho hulk, failed to cut powerman, failed to cut through tonys bunker in one swipe (2 of these arent even bad showings)

so thats 7 good ones vs 3 bad or questionable ones.

do the math. no the destroyer armors already been confirmed per handbooks as being tougher than uru or adamantium and everyone else on that list is also extremely resistant to all manner of attacks.

you cant use mental gymnastics or ignore feats based on preference man.

No it actually didn't even as the pathetic troll that you are you should be able to grasp things even a little and see that Thor failed to cut in the picture i showed and he even states that EVENTUALLY it will cut through the Destroyers metal.

my wording was a bit iffy there. my point was he cut the destroyer in two swipes. first swipe seemed to cut it the same way he cut apocs celestial armor. second swipe cut it a little more.

Yea except Thor cut it on it's weak spot, not clean through it.

it doesnt have a "weak spot" the armors made out of the same stuff all around. yeah he didnt cut clean through it but it doesnt matter because he cuts clean through every single thing weaker than the destroyer armor.

There are no 10+ good showings. Get out of my face with your nosense and go back to making whiny PM's with gay porn or whatever, since that's your strong suit, now chop chop.

Oh btw, did you like She Hulk casually tanking the cold while Thor fell over frozen and almost died if it weren't for her sharing her heat with him, i thought that was funny. But Pak is a worse writer than Aaron... ayy lmao..

7 good showings vs 3 bad/questionable ones. it is nonsensical to claim that 3 is greater than 7.

consistency rules, no way to get around that.

she hulks feat is nice, and it again doesnt transfer to other hulks, like in waids issue thor tanked absolute zero while green scar needed a heat suit just to go into it and survive or move around. yea aaron doesnt seem to see thor as very durable it seems, but thors durability level doesnt really matter with this gauntlet anyway

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#39 Posted by GucciBrick (582 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel: yea i dont think youve researched this... the mcu naming it as stormbreaker doesnt mean its based off the comic stormbreaker... look at ironmans armor its called bleeding edge yet is more like the model prime from comics. stormbreaker was an axe not a hammer and its conceptually based off jarnbjorn. they gave it the stormbreaker name because it sounds better and works better for the worldwide audience.

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#40 Posted by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@guccibrick:

It's disingenuous. You tried saying the axe failed to cut through apoc as if its a bad showing, yet in reality its a very good showing since the axe wasnt enchanted yet still cut into apocs celestial armor. Also, the axe is made out of the same stuff as mjolnir, and seems to be even more indestructible based on feats. and uru has already proven itself as being the strongest metal of the universe (with exception of destroyer armor). so having a bladed weapon made out of pure uru alone already is enough to show that a weapon made out of pure uru is gonna be pretty damn sharp.

Lmao so youre saying the enchantment was pointless? angel and cyclops could have cut and killed exitar? I wonder why they needed thor to kill exitar then? show me apocalypses celestial armor being damaged by angel or cyclops. im talking about his celestial armor, not his physical body, apocalypse never even had celestial armor until around the time he fought thor, so please show me cyclops damaging celestial armor. you do realize celestials have tanked thors most powerful mjolnir blow amped by the belt of strength with just a dent and in addition to that no sold things like odins destroyer disintegration beam and galactus' ultimate nullifier weapon? but youre saying angel and cyclops can supposedly damage celestial armor?

It is a bad showing it only cut through Apoc superficially prior to the enchantment.

Exitar has nothing to do with Apoc and neither does the point i was trying to make.

he absorbed the blow, he did not tank it with physical durability. that was written by bendis as well. regardless you still only have 2 low showings from questionable writers vs 10+ good showings.

He absorbed the blow by having the axe hit him and instead of cutting through him it transfered into giving him power. There are no 10+ good showings.

banner hulk is literally in this thread. people are trying to say "cho did this, banner can do it too" when that isnt how it works. cool cho did it, thats a feat for cho, not banner.

wbh was cut by a sword far weaker than adamantium or thors axe.

dark chulk is still clearly more resistant to piercing than world breaker hulk. you do realize these are the same writers writing both hulks right? and you do realize in the sakaar fight written by pak he had thor actually break through chos sakaarian sword, same type of sword wbh got almost killed by. so like it or not pak methodically set this up to show that cho is stronger, and tougher than banner. either way, you still only have two low showings, and we dont really know how powerful dark chulk even is, since hes gone now as well. for all we know, dark chulk may be above mangog and thanos, if we take his feat at face value, his piercing resistance is superior to mangog and thanos.

Yes except i never made any argument for Banner Hulk, since he stops way before he ever reaches him. Nobody said a feat for Cho is a feat for Banner.

No that was Green Scar and he was cut by shadowforge metal which has actually resisted adamantium bullets.

Dark Chulk isn't on the level of Banner Hulks, this was blatantly clear by the fact that both in Planet Hulk 1 and 2 and WWH 1 and 2, Banner Hulk had far superior feats and almost broke off a continent and eventually the world. Where does it show that the same sword that broke from Thors jarnbjorn is the same type of sword that cut Hulk? Pak already admitted in an interview that Banner is stronger, he also had Cho stalemate classic Hulk even after Cho unleashed his dark Hulk, classic Hulk being much weaker than the post-core breach Hulk, you are so bad at this.

Punching is blunt force.

Hulk "punched through" the bunker after thor almost took apart the entire thing.

you dont really understand the difference with how a punch works vs how a stabbing attack works. it had everything to do with the bunkers thickness, thor didnt get through the bunker with ONE blow, with more blows he clearly wouldve gotten through it. it doesnt need to be a planet. it can be anything. it can be a country. a city. etc.

hulk could thunderclap and bust a city, wouldnt you say? do you honestly think he would bust a city in one blow with just a single 1 foot long sword in one hand? no he wouldnt. it would take him a while to chop through an entire city. regardless of how sharp his sword was or how strong he was.

Except Thor couldn't take apart the entire thing, the entire comic was set up so that Thor wasn't strong enough to get through it, Tony even says not even Thor is strong enough and then a couple of pages later they bring in someone stronger.

Hulk already busted an entire city just by slamming his foot into the ground and in another more famous instance almost broke off an entire continent despite his foot being much smaller than a continent, your arguments are so stupid and self defeating.

lets count this out.

cut mangog, cut thor, cut apoc pre enchantment, cut gorr, cut destroyer, cut galactus, cut onslaught

failed to cut cho hulk, failed to cut powerman, failed to cut through tonys bunker in one swipe (2 of these arent even bad showings)

so thats 7 good ones vs 3 bad or questionable ones.

do the math. no the destroyer armors already been confirmed per handbooks as being tougher than uru or adamantium and everyone else on that list is also extremely resistant to all manner of attacks.

you cant use mental gymnastics or ignore feats based on preference man.

Heimdals sword cut Mangog so nothing special, only cut Apoc superficially at first nothing special seeing as Angel and Cyclops damaged his armor before as well, i dont' remember Gorr having any feats to cutting durability, it never cut Galactus, Red Skull onslaught had no cutting durability feats.

So that's 7 average showings and 3 bad ones.

I know what the Destroyer armor is, he still cut it on it's weak spot where the arm connects to the should and there is an opening in the armor there.

my wording was a bit iffy there. my point was he cut the destroyer in two swipes. first swipe seemed to cut it the same way he cut apocs celestial armor. second swipe cut it a little more.

Your wording wasn't the problem, your arguments are the problem, you constantly get things wrong and you twist everything any way you can.

it doesnt have a "weak spot" the armors made out of the same stuff all around. yeah he didnt cut clean through it but it doesnt matter because he cuts clean through every single thing weaker than the destroyer armor.

It does, the arm connects to it on the shoulder and therefore there is an opening there. Except for the fact that the axe already failed to cut through everything weaker than Destroyer.

7 good showings vs 3 bad/questionable ones. it is nonsensical to claim that 3 is greater than 7.

consistency rules, no way to get around that.

she hulks feat is nice, and it again doesnt transfer to other hulks, like in waids issue thor tanked absolute zero while green scar needed a heat suit just to go into it and survive or move around. yea aaron doesnt seem to see thor as very durable it seems, but thors durability level doesnt really matter with this gauntlet anyway

7 average showings vs 4 badones. Making the axe slightly below average.

Yea and in this case it's not YOUR version of consistency.

That's fine we already know other Hulks are more resistant to cold than Thor. In Waids issue Thor almost died to absolute zero and had to be saved by Hulk whose armor only covered his body, not his head.

Anyway all of this is gonna be more fun when Hulk fights the Avengers a second time and that's Aarons Avengers as teased by Hulks writer, i am gonna especially enjoy the excuses you are gonna make then when Hulk stomps the Avengers a second time including the real Thor this time.

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#41 Posted by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@duriel: yea i dont think youve researched this... the mcu naming it as stormbreaker doesnt mean its based off the comic stormbreaker... look at ironmans armor its called bleeding edge yet is more like the model prime from comics. stormbreaker was an axe not a hammer and its conceptually based off jarnbjorn. they gave it the stormbreaker name because it sounds better and works better for the worldwide audience.

No it's you who hasn't researched this. What else did they get the name from? You can't be this dumb or this disingenuous, obviously they got the name from BRB's hammer, they didn't come up with it from thin air. That also proves my point that they borrow names from comics, not make them up from thin air. Stormbreaker is both an axe and a harmer, one side is blunt the other is sharp which is exactly what BRB's stormbreaker is like.

I mean how hilarious is it that you get this much owned and you have to preform some ridiculous mental gymnastics to link MCU Stormbreaker with Janjborn, despite the fact that it both looks like and is named after BRB's stormbreaker. Pathetic.

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#42 Posted by del_torro (3518 posts) - - Show Bio

About the secret empire scene. Thor had already destroyed the mountain side covering the bunker and dented in the bunker wall with one strike. A second hit would probably have gotten in.

Can't really use that as a feat of hulk being stronger. It's like if a block was already cracked by someone and then I came and broke it completely, doesn't mean I could break a block that wasn't already damaged in one hit.

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#43 Edited by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@del_torro said:

About the secret empire scene. Thor had already destroyed the mountain side covering the bunker and dented in the bunker wall with one strike. A second hit would probably have gotten in.

Can't really use that as a feat of hulk being stronger. It's like if a block was already cracked by someone and then I came and broke it completely, doesn't mean I could break a block that wasn't already damaged in one hit.

That's actually untrue, right from the first strike Thor already made a dent inside the bunker and he struck it multiples times after that with no success

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Thor easily went through the mountain, which is just a bunch of rocks which obviously isn't gonna stop anyone on his level and them IMMEDIATELY on the next page we are shown him getting all the way to the wall of the bunker itself even making a large dent in it, let me highlight it

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and right below that panel Tony says no even Thor is STRONG(the word strong being very important here) enough to go through the shielding even after repeated blows. So yes Thor made it all the way to the bunker but couldn't get into the bunker itself from Tony's shielding.

So what happens is Hulk shows up Tony and the rest notice him and they don't say "don't worry not even Hulk can break through it" because they know he can and they are screwed since if you want someone stronger than Thor, you bring in HULK. This is why Tony emphasis "not strong enough" when talking about Thor.

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Hulk easily one-shots his way through Tony's bunker and through the shielding.

Thor didn't break or crack or damage anything, other than some rocks, the shielding itself was intact and it was explicitly stated Thor can't get through it, this is why Hulk was brought in. Otherwise they would have just shown Thor breaking through it himself eventually.

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#44 Posted by Gaoron (8148 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Thanos or Galactus. Odin should be lower imo.

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#45 Posted by del_torro (3518 posts) - - Show Bio

@Duriel: there is literally no panel showing Thor attacking multiple times, or them saying that Thor is attacking the bunker repeatedly.

Thor attacks once, while saying forgive me (showing he's conflicted and doesn't want to actually hurt them, proven by him allowing them to escape). He attacks once and destroys a mountain and dents the bunker. And then he stops. You say he didn't crack or damage anything, who do you think made that huge dent in the bunker wall?

There's nothing to prove he couldn't have gotten in with a second blow.

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#46 Posted by PenguinLover (994 posts) - - Show Bio

under aaron pen, clears , under other writers e.g pak stops at hulk.

You're joking right? Aaron's more likely to have it break because the wind is suddenly strong enough to do so.

Not sure where it stops since that axe isn't exactly widely used. Stops at Sentry more often than not.

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#47 Edited by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

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@Duriel: there is literally no panel showing Thor attacking multiple times, or them saying that Thor is attacking the bunker repeatedly.

Thor attacks once, while saying forgive me (showing he's conflicted and doesn't want to actually hurt them, proven by him allowing them to escape). He attacks once and destroys a mountain and dents the bunker. And then he stops. You say he didn't crack or damage anything, who do you think made that huge dent in the bunker wall?

There's nothing to prove he couldn't have gotten in with a second blow.

So what you are saying is Thor hit the bunker one time and then stopped? That makes sense to you? He just randomly stopped for no reason?

Obviously he doesn't want to hurt them, but please don't make an argument of "Thor held back against a bunker wall"... if i hear something as silly as that i might get a brain aneurysm. How does it make sense to you that Thor and others are desperately trying to break into the bunker but Thor attacks it once and then for no reason stops? What? Why does he stop? He made a dent in the wall, that's literally the first thing i said, but he couldn't damage Tony's SHIELDING, i am not sure if you are aware but what made the bunker impenetrable was the actual shielding Tony put on it that prevented Thor from getting in, prevented Vision from phasing through, or Scarlet Witch from using her magic.

There were probably multiple blows i mean it's only logical unless you give me an explanation of why Thor would stop after the first blow. If a second blow would have been enough than someone anyone would have stated something in "another blow and we/they are in", on the other hand Tony didn't even look worried there, cause he knew it would take them a lot of time to eventually get through, except he didn't count on them having Hulk. Again i repeat there is a reason Hulk was brought in there, instead of just letting Thor punch through it, there was a reason Tony said Thor isn't STRONG enough, only for someone that's obviously more stronger than Thor to appear later and bust through it.

Wait a minute... do you think Thor is actually stronger than Hulk or something?

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#48 Posted by del_torro (3518 posts) - - Show Bio

@Duriel: more he like he stopped after one attack because he doesn't really want to hurt his friends, shown by him asking them to forgive him before attacking, then allowing them escape.

It's literally right there on panel, a single attack, then mockingbird being scared that he hot through. Please show the scans of him hacking at the bunker multiple times. I don't know how you can see those two pages and then go through the mental gymnastics that "oh they show Thor attacking once, but I'm going to believe he was going at it multiple times in that limited time frame"

Why would Thor stop at the first blow? He's attacking his friends and their about to be attacked by Hydra. He attacks once and almost gets through, but he let's it go because he doesn't really want to hurt them. Just like when he let them escape or when he finally joined them to fight Hydra. Do you think Thor would fight with his full power against his friends so that Hydra can kill them?

Thor isn't desperately trying to get to them, he's shown as sad and reluctant. Of course he's holding back.

Let's close this. Post the scans of Thor attacking the bunker multiple times, show the multiple dents on the bunker wall.

Or just accept that he hit it once, which explains why there's a single dent in the bunker wall.

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#49 Posted by Duriel (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@Duriel: more he like he stopped after one attack because he doesn't really want to hurt his friends, shown by him asking them to forgive him before attacking, then allowing them escape.

It's literally right there on panel, a single attack, then mockingbird being scared that he hot through. Please show the scans of him hacking at the bunker multiple times. I don't know how you can see those two pages and then go through the mental gymnastics that "oh they show Thor attacking once, but I'm going to believe he was going at it multiple times in that limited time frame"

Why would Thor stop at the first blow? He's attacking his friends and their about to be attacked by Hydra. He attacks once and almost gets through, but he let's it go because he doesn't really want to hurt them. Just like when he let them escape or when he finally joined them to fight Hydra. Do you think Thor would fight with his full power against his friends so that Hydra can kill them?

Thor isn't desperately trying to get to them, he's shown as sad and reluctant. Of course he's holding back.

Let's close this. Post the scans of Thor attacking the bunker multiple times, show the multiple dents on the bunker wall.

Or just accept that he hit it once, which explains why there's a single dent in the bunker wall.

Is the bunker wall his friend? You know he could just not attacked at all if he was so concerned with them instead of attacking the bunker to the point of denting the wall. There is nobody he could have hurt there, this argument falls flat on its face.

Mockingbird got scared because she didn't know about the shielding that Tony explaiend to her is there, the fact that Tony himself is not concerned tells you everything you need to know, because if all it took was another blow from Thor, he would have been in panic mode. I don't know how you can go through mental gymnastics of thinking Thor hit the bunker once and then stopped because he was afraid he might hurt people despite there being no to hurt since he is attacking a wall, not people and despite the fact that he could have possibly went through it the first time which means he didn't think he was gonna hurt anyone with that attack.

OMG, WHY ATTACK THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE? He literally even went inside after Hulk broke though and fought with Hercules. Show me a panel where it shows Thor letting it go? He is TRYING TO BREAK THROUGH A WALL HE ISNT FIGHTING ANYONE THERE YET.

Sad and reluctant because he knows what to do, not because he is holding back there is literally no point in trying to break through a wall if he is holding back, he isn't fighting anyone there.

Show me scans of Thor not attacking it multiple times, show me scan of Thor stopping after the first attack, show me scans of Thor saying he is holding back, show me scans of him saying he doesn't want to hurt people by attacking the bunker, show me scans for all the claims you just made here.

There is a single dent in the bunker wall because

1. This was shown right after his first attack.

2. He is attacking in the same place which is how you break through something.

3. We were never shown that wall again so you are asking me to prove a negative.

Now answer my question, do you think Hulk or Thor is stronger?

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#50 Posted by GucciBrick (582 posts) - - Show Bio

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It is a bad showing it only cut through Apoc superficially prior to the enchantment.

Exitar has nothing to do with Apoc and neither does the point i was trying to make.

No it cut through apocalypses indestructible celestial armour prior to the enchantment. Not apoc. this is the part where you concede since you couldnt show me cyclops or angel damaging apocalypses celestial armour nor celestials like exitar.

exitar has celestial armor, same type of armor apoc was using in his fight with thor.

He absorbed the blow by having the axe hit him and instead of cutting through him it transfered into giving him power. There are no 10+ good showings.

thor didnt strike powerman on his body he struck him directly on his absorption device. theres still 7 very good showings vs 3 average or questionable ones.

Yes except i never made any argument for Banner Hulk, since he stops way before he ever reaches him. Nobody said a feat for Cho is a feat for Banner.

No that was Green Scar and he was cut by shadowforge metal which has actually resisted adamantium bullets.

Dark Chulk isn't on the level of Banner Hulks, this was blatantly clear by the fact that both in Planet Hulk 1 and 2 and WWH 1 and 2, Banner Hulk had far superior feats and almost broke off a continent and eventually the world. Where does it show that the same sword that broke from Thors jarnbjorn is the same type of sword that cut Hulk? Pak already admitted in an interview that Banner is stronger, he also had Cho stalemate classic Hulk even after Cho unleashed his dark Hulk, classic Hulk being much weaker than the post-core breach Hulk, you are so bad at this.

secondary adamantium bullets, a weaker form of adamantium.

where was it shown that the sword which cut world breaker hulk was even made of shadowforge? it wasnt stated on panel, so using your logic it was just a random steel sword. either way, world breaker got cut by a sword which had no cutting feats.

Except Thor couldn't take apart the entire thing, the entire comic was set up so that Thor wasn't strong enough to get through it, Tony even says not even Thor is strong enough and then a couple of pages later they bring in someone stronger.

Hulk already busted an entire city just by slamming his foot into the ground and in another more famous instance almost broke off an entire continent despite his foot being much smaller than a continent, your arguments are so stupid and self defeating.

yeah that never happened in comic, thor almost broke the entire barrier on his own before hulk came and ran through it, it showed jarnbjorn is massively superior to anything hulk can do.

yeah now show me hulk "busting" a city by hitting it with a sword. hint, you cant.

and he also never broke a city with a foot stomp nor did he break a continent.

you still dont understand piercing vs blunt force. blunt force attacks produce shockwaves and environmental damage. piercing attacks, magical attacks, and targeted energy attacks dont produce environmental damage.

Heimdals sword cut Mangog so nothing special, only cut Apoc superficially at first nothing special seeing as Angel and Cyclops damaged his armor before as well, i dont' remember Gorr having any feats to cutting durability, it never cut Galactus, Red Skull onslaught had no cutting durability feats.

So that's 7 average showings and 3 bad ones.

I know what the Destroyer armor is, he still cut it on it's weak spot where the arm connects to the should and there is an opening in the armor there.

Heimdalls sword is made out of uru metal. and heimdalls sword only stabbed him while jarnbjorn cut mangogs tail off. you have no low showings for heimdalls sword, the mental gymnastics dont work.

this is the part where you show me which "cutting durability feats" the characters below thanos even have, anywhere close to the beings the axe has already cut.

it cut apocs armour which was indestructible and celestial tech armor. angel and cyclops never damaged apocs celestial armor.

prove that gorr and onslaught can be cut by average weapons or even adamantium weaponry. funny thor had so much trouble fighting gorr but youre arguing the hidden secret, all he needed to do the whole time was just head to earth and get any random cutting weapon?

It does, the arm connects to it on the shoulder and therefore there is an opening there. Except for the fact that the axe already failed to cut through everything weaker than Destroyer.

oh really, how about when it cut through 6 other beings all less durable than the destroyer? it cut through all of them like butter.

7 average showings vs 4 badones. Making the axe slightly below average.

Yea and in this case it's not YOUR version of consistency.

That's fine we already know other Hulks are more resistant to cold than Thor. In Waids issue Thor almost died to absolute zero and had to be saved by Hulk whose armor only covered his body, not his head.

Anyway all of this is gonna be more fun when Hulk fights the Avengers a second time and that's Aarons Avengers as teased by Hulks writer, i am gonna especially enjoy the excuses you are gonna make then when Hulk stomps the Avengers a second time including the real Thor this time.

chulk aint more durable than mangog, destroyer, apoc, gorr, onslaught, galactus, or thor. neither is powerman. neither is tony starks bunker.

whether you personally consider cutting destroyer or galactus to be impressive or "average' is irrelevant, because galactus and destroyer and mangog and everybody else is still tougher than chulk or powerman.

consistency rules, we look at all showings, and the consistent ones are the ones that are valid. 7 very impressive showings, one showing confirming jarnbjorn is above hulks power output, and then 2 low showings, one of which was an absorption feat for powerman and the other of which was written by a bad writer, writing a characters last appearance.