Jack Krauser (Resident Evil) vs Geralt of Rivia (The Witcher)

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  • Both in character
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  • Standard gear for both (but no guns)
  • Win by any means

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Geralt stomps.

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Is there anything stopping Geralt from stomping?

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Geralt would rip Wesker like an another higher vampire, let alone this fodder.

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Geralt schools him

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@ready_4_madness: @hydratedfubuki6: @freakgamera: Curiouis why Geralt stomps? Krauser has advantage in weapons by far. Exploding Arrows, Hand Guns, and Machine Gun is standard equipment. How the hell does Geralt at all counter Machine Gun fire? He is arrow timer at best. Krauser has decent super speed feats himself.

I can see via magic Geralt winning matches, but stomp?!

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Krauser is stated to possess skill that is considered unparalleled, even within America's Elite Special Forces.

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Krauser is stated a US Special Operations Command. Stated by Leon of all people as having quite the resume and accomplishments in the field.

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Since the mission with Leon, Krauser been the study by Umbrella that test his skills on and off the battlefield and concluded he was the best hired gun they could find.

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Krauser was skilled enough to target, and kidnap the Presidents daughter under the watchful eyes of Secrete Service that follows all presidential children. He kidnaps her and sneaks her into another country successfully.

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Krauser shows the skill and speed to casually stab the head of a viper in mid strike.

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Krauser shows a effective combo that backhands the foe, followed by the snap of the neck while the throat is slit at the same time.

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Krauser tackles a foe to the ground and bashes the skull one handed in a fluid combo.

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Krauser easily deflects Leon's thrown weapon.

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Krauser shows the skill and stealth to disappear on Leon in a flash, and sneak attack him that cut Leon.

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Krauser distracts Leon with surrounding objects and then forces Leon of the platform.

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Krauser and Leon are nearly blow for blow in a pure knife fight. Deflecting each others blades in high speed fighting. While Leon cut Krauser's chest, Krauser manages to disarm Leon and knock him to the ground. Winning the fight.

Strength

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Krauser can jump several dozen feet in the air.

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Krauser smashes through a thick wooden door easy.

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Krauser is shown able to explode a skull with a kick.

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Krauser slams his blade arm with enough force to send Leon flying back a few feet. Kicking up debris.

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Krauser with one hand rips out a steel beam, and hurls it with enough force to shatter concrete where it strikes.

Durability

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Krauser gets stabbed right through the arm with a large bone spike. Not only does he shrug it off and continues fighting, but he pulls it out, wraps it up, and finished the rest of the mission with a crippled arm.

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Krauser gets his shins slice open and still fights on fine.

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Krauser has his chest blown out by Leon, and is temporary KOed.

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Krauser then awakens to hunt down Ada Wong shortly after the Leon fight, and after a intense battle with her in a weaken state, finally dies.

Speed

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Krauser is stated to be superhuman fast. Covering distances to Leon in a instant, and dodging bullets thanks to his mutated body.

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Krauser is able to cover a dozen feet in a burst of speed.

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Krauser moves as a blur to dodge gun fire.

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The Control Plaga that Krauser received granted him stated superhuman powers.

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Krauser's Plaga grants him a degree of strength and durability, but also creates a blade arm.

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Krauser is stated able to make a shield of his blade arm to block gunfire.

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Krauser can use his blade arm as a shield against Leon.

Gear

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Krauser makes use of hand guns and sub machine guns in fights.

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Krauser is also well known for using a Bow.

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Krauser makes use of multiple flash bangs for every stage of the boss fight Leon passes. Blinding Leon for advantage.

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Krauser makes use of multiple flash bangs for every stage of the boss fight Ada passes. Blinding Ada for advantage.

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Krauser wrecks. Far physically superior and just as skilled.

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@the_wspanialy: the fact that Krauser is far stronger, faster, more durable and just as skilled?

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#10  Edited By a_marques

@hydratedfubuki6: Wesker would absolutely curbstomp him. Wesker is superior to the Unseen Elder who Geralt is helpless against.

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#11  Edited By Eredin12

Geralt takes it:

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"Geralt's battle against the wraith proved very difficult, for it was fueled by rage and launched its attacks with heated aggresion. Geralt was forced to move with lightning speed in order to parry its blows, without time to take a breath or launch an attack of his own."

--- The Wraith form the Painting Bestiary entry

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Then there is also magic, stuff like Axii to stun for a few seconds and Igni bo burn to crisp, Igni that can vaporize Werewolf's leg:

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#12  Edited By KingLouie

@eredin12: No pls.

First 3.5 Kelvin Supes now Geralt is the speed of lightning.

Edit: Light to lightning

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#14  Edited By Eredin12
@kinglouie said:

@eredin12: No pls.

First 3.5 Kelvin Supes now Geralt is light speed.

I never said that Geralt is light speed, Lightning is thousands of times slower than Light

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Horrible mismatch in favor of Geralt

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@ready_4_madness: @hydratedfubuki6: @freakgamera: Curiouis why Geralt stomps? Krauser has advantage in weapons by far. Exploding Arrows, Hand Guns, and Machine Gun is standard equipment. How the hell does Geralt at all counter Machine Gun fire? He is arrow timer at best. Krauser has decent super speed feats himself.

I can see via magic Geralt winning matches, but stomp?!

First of all, read OP. No guns for Krauser.

Second, lol at Geralt being an "arrow timer at best".

Third, yes, magic makes it a stomp. Not that Geralt needs magic to win this.

@the_wspanialy: the fact that Krauser is far stronger, faster, more durable and just as skilled?

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As for speed, @eredin12 already covered that.

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Waiting for feats of Krauser fighting (less alone beating) a superhuman master swordsman with over a hundred years of combat experience against vide variety of supernatural creatures (including other skilled swordsmen), who also happens to possess and strong and versatile magic.

This should be good.

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Geralt takes it

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"Geralt's battle against the wraith proved very difficult, for it was fueled by rage and launched its attacks with heated aggresion. Geralt was forced to move with lightning speed in order to parry its blows, without time to take a breath or launch an attack of his own."

--- The Wraith form the Painting Bestiary entry

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Add that Geralt was actually injured during his last fight with Vilgefortz:

Vilgefortz turned around and struck him with magical energy. The witcher flew the whole length of the hall and slammed into the wall, sliding down it. He lay like a fish gasping for air, not wondering what was broken, but what was intact.

[...]

Geralt didn't believe he'd be able to stand. But he did.

[...]

"How are you, Yen?"

"A few broken ribs, concussion, twisted hip joint, bruised spine. Besides that, excellent. And yourself?"

"More or less the same."

The Lady of the Lake

And that was before he went through additional mutations in Blood and Wine, which made him even faster:

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#17  Edited By Eredin12

@kinglouie: Geralt keeping up with Vilgefortz who casually reacted to Lightning at close range is unarguable, it has been scientifically proven that electricity travels faster the more current there is (see the Electric Drift section). And Magic from Sorecers on the level of Yen should be more powerful than a normal one, one that normal humans can survive and that is only building level, likewise, Geralt attacking with the force of Lightning bolt is not hard to imagine given feats like him stopping charge from Kaiju with a strike:

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@eredin12:the two first scans are obvious hyperboles. The last one, there's no proof they reacted after those lightning spells were casted. They could've anticipated it, which would make way more sense since they're not faster than lightning. Even if they did move it was casted, it's an obvious outlier. They never showed that level speed before or after.

if you want to argue Geralt being faster than lightning, then Leon should be FTL since he reacted to the light from a flashlight after it went off right next to him. And Krauser is faster than Leon.

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Or we can just treat those feats as outliers, because that's what they are.

Krauser covering longs distances in an instant at FTE speed and casually dodging multiple bullets after they were fired right next to his body in the middle of combat as a form of surprise counterattack is way better than anything Geralt has ever done.

Tearing apart a thick i beam made of reinforced structural steel, then throwing it with enough force to cause the concrete ground to explode, sending large chunks of it flying high into the air is also way better than anything Geralt or any higher vampire has ever done. And that was a heavily weakened Krauser.

Casually backflipping 30ft into the air and flipping all over the place while dodging bullets also puts Krauser's agility far above Geralt's.

Getting shot and slashed so many times a large portion of his chest gets destroyed along with his heart, then getting caught in a explosion which destroyed two large stone towers puts his raw durability far above Geralt's or any higher vampires'.

Also, even if you nerf him by taking away his guns he still has his combat knife, a bow which fires explosive arrows that can stun or injure Geralt if he tries to smack those arrows out of the air, flashbangs which can stun and blind Geralt and frag grenades which can maim or kill him. Not to mention Krauser's mutated arm which is made of organic metal strong enough to stop anti tank missiles.

Axii won't work on someone like Krauser and igni won't do much against someone who can survive a massive explosion powerful enough to destroy two large stone towers.

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Horrible mismatch in favor of Geralt

No, it's not. Krauser has better physicals and is just as skilled. He wins.

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#20  Edited By Eredin12

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@eredin12:the two first scans are obvious hyperboles. The last one, there's no proof they reacted after those lightning spells were casted. They could've anticipated it, which would make way more sense since they're not faster than lightning. Even if they did move it was casted, it's an obvious outlier. They never showed that level speed before or after.

They can hardly be "obvious hyperboles" when they are backed by the last scan which is a direct feat though, and I am not even necessarily talking about them dodging it here as that one is more debatable by itself as you pointed out, but rather Vilgefortz effortlessly deflecting bolt after it was fired, and Geralt can keep up with him, for that he does not need to be faster than Lightning either, but still faster than Jack, and also given that Vilgefortz is a bit faster than them they cannot realistically aim to dodge him either, as that would mean they can cross few meters before he can even aim and firebolt lol. So factoring all of this, they realistically dodged his lightning bolts after they were fired as well.

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Here is yet another instance of Geralt moving at a speed comparable to a Lightning bolt made by actual Storm/ Cloud Djin conjured, simply put there are far to many instances to call them PIS

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Or we can just treat those feats as outliers, because that's what they are.

That one maybe, but these ones for Geralt are not, as there are much more than one instance of them.

Krauser covering longs distances in an instant at FTE speed and casually dodging multiple bullets after they were fired right next to his body in the middle of combat as a form of surprise counterattack is way below fighting casual Lightning timer/ deflector, as Lightning is more than 100 times faster than even fastest bullets

Tearing apart a thick I beam made of reinforced structural steel, then throwing it with enough force to cause the concrete ground to explode, sending large chunks of it flying high into the air is also below stopping charge from Kaiju

Getting shot and slashed so many times a large portion of his chest gets destroyed along with his heart is not even durability feat first of all, as he got hurt but rather endurance one, getting caught in an explosion which destroyed two large stone towers and tanking it is a legit one though, but below Geralt tanking hits from and trading blows with Vampires that can destroy Destroy Queen, which can no sell meteor barrage from Triss

You want to talk about agility? This guy casually jumped over 10 meters high wall during one of his crimes irrc, and Geralt killed him nonetheless

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Also, even if you nerf him by taking away his guns he still has his combat knife, a bow which fires explosive arrows that can stun or injure Geralt if he tries to smack those arrows out of the air, flashbangs which can stun and blind Geralt and frag grenades which can maim or kill him. Not to mention Krauser's mutated arm which is made of organic metal strong enough to stop anti tank missiles.

Geralt has feats above anti-tank missiles force wise, and Queen alone, no selling meteors barrage from Triss shits on all of that, not to mention Aard to deflect it

Axii won't work on someone like Krauser

And why is that?

and igni won't do much against someone who can survive a massive explosion powerful enough to destroy two large stone towers.

Vaporizing a werewolf's leg instantly is a better feat than that heat-wise

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#21  Edited By a_marques

@eredin12:

They are not "obvious hyperboles" when they are backed by the last scan which is a direct feat though, and I am not even necessarily talking about them dodging it here as that one is more debatable by itself as you pointed out, but rather Vilgefortz effortlessly deflecting bolt after it was fired, and Geralt can keep up with him, for that he does not need to be faster than Lightning either, but still faster than Jack, and also given that Vilgefortz is a bit faster than them they cannot realistically aim dodge him, as that would mean they can cross few meters before he can even aim lol

No. They are very clearly hyperboles. Expressions like moving with the speed of lightning, lightning speed, or having lightning fast movement and reflexes are commonly used by writers to say their characters were moving very fast, but doesn't mean they're actually as fast as lightning. So yeah, hyperboles.

Like I said, it makes a lot more sense to say he aim blocked it because no one in The Witcher universe has ever showed that level of speed before or after that one instance. Or that's simply an outlier. Same as with Leon reacting to light from a flashbang.

Nah, you can still aim dodge from someone faster than you.

That one maybe, but these ones for Geralt are not, as there are much more than one instance of them.

You showed one instance where someone who is faster than Geralt reacted to lightning and I showed an instance where someone who's slower than Krauser reacted to light. Hyperbole statements aren't feats. Not that any of this matters since even if there are more than one instance, he's clearly not operating at that level of speed on a normal basis.

Here is yet another instance of Geralt moving at a speed comparable to a Lightning bolt made by actual Storm/ Cloud Djin conjured, simply put there are far to many instances to call them PIS

Game mechanics. Really? Projectiles travel speed is rarely if ever accurately portrayed during gameplay. Geralt is moving at normal gameplay speeds which is definitely not lightning speed.

If you want to use that as proof for Geralt being as fast as lightning, then here's my proof for Geralt being slower than a crossbow bolt.

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So I guess that means crossbow bolts > Geralt = lightning in The Witcher universe.

Krauser covering longs distances in an instant at FTE speed and casually dodging multiple bullets after they were fired right next to his body in the middle of combat as a form of surprise counterattack is way below fighting casual Lightning timer/ deflector, as Lightning is more than 100 times faster than even fastest bullets

Seriously, the fact you can write an entire paragraph like this without realizing how insane this sounds is mind boggling. GERALT BEING MORE THAN A HUNDRED TIMES FASTER THAN EVEN RIFLE BULLETS, how does that make any sense at all? By your logic he should be more than SIXTEEN HUNDRED(1,600) times faster then recurve bows arrows. Arrows are still a threat to the guy for God's sake. He has trouble parrying multiple arrows at once. Someone that fast would be able to literally run around arrows while casually picking them out of the air.

What you're doing is no different than what that guy in the Levi vs Batman thread was doing, saying Batman was FTL because he dodged lasers and light fast attacks from Dr. Light, and reacted and tagged light speed characters in more than one instance. You called him out for that. So how can you not see how ridiculous this whole "Geralt is as fast as lightning" argument really is?

Tearing apart a thick I beam made of reinforced structural steel, then throwing it with enough force to cause the concrete ground to explode, sending large chunks of it flying high into the air is also below stopping charge from Kaiju

Calling it a kaiju doesn't make the feat more impressive than it really is. That thing is big, but that's it. And Geralt didn't stop its charge. It covered the distance to Geralt then tried to attack him with its teeth. Geralt blocked the attack after bracing himself, using his whole body strength, but still got overpowered and pushed back.

Geralt clearly getting overpowered by a big monster until someone stepped in and distracted the monster isn't anywhere near enough to say Geralt can come close to match Krauser who can casually peformed a 20+ tons(lowball using 275MPa instead of 440MPa as the ultimate tensile strength and 4"x2" x 0,1" as the dimensions for a rectangular steel tube) feat with one arm and while in a weakened state. And that's just one part of the feat. The other part is Krauser tossing the beam with enough force to impale it deeply into the ground and literally cause the ground the explode with the impact, sending huge chunks of the ground flying high into the air.

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Geralt never showed the strength necessary to tear apart reinforced steel or throw anything with that amount of force. Especially not that casually and not while in a weakened state.

Getting shot and slashed so many times a large portion of his chest gets destroyed along with his heart is not even durability feat first of all, as he got hurt but rather endurance one, getting caught in an explosion which destroyed two large stone towers and tanking it is a legit one though, but below Geralt tanking hits from Monsters that can destroy Destroy Queen, which can no sell meteor barrage from Triss

I meant to use it as a damage soak(being showered with bullets) and raw durability(getting caught in the explosion) feat. Krauser survived punishment that would have killed Geralt dozens of times over.

You're joking, right? A few fireballs that had little concussive force is not even remotely comparable to an explosion which destroyed two giant stone towers. Those fireballs did no damage to the ground, and all it did was kill and knock back Wild Hunt soldiers a few feet away. Krauser's durability is far greater than Geralt's own durability or his Queen. His queen can be destroyed by a thrown wagon, lol. With the level of force Krauser can produce (as seen above) Krauser would tear trough it like wet tissue.

You want to talk about agility? This guy casually jumped over 10 meters high wall during one of his crimes irrc, and Geralt killed him nonetheless

So a higher vampire can jump that high? Okay. Can Geralt do it? No. Krauser is far more agile than Geralt. Period. That higher vampire can't combine his agility with acrobatics to dance around bullets like Krauser can. That higher vampire isn't as fast or as skilled as Krauser either.

Geralt has feats above anti-tank missiles force wise, and Queen alone, no selling meteors barrage from Triss shits on all of that, not to mention Aard to deflect it

No he doesn't, lol. Even weaker Anti tank missiles can punch through 260mm-400mm of reinforced steel with stronger missiles punching through 500mm-750mm of armor. Geralt has zero feats at that level. His Queen can't stop an anti tank missile either. Those "meteors" weren't impressive.

And why is that?

Because he isn't a fodder farmer, thug or prison guard. Even if it can confuse him for a split second, I doubt Geralt can use it on a fast moving target in the middle of combat. A flashbang can stun and blind Geralt for much longer, anyway. And Geralt has no answer to it since blocking it with queen won't stop him from getting blinded.

Vaporizing a werewolf's leg instantly is a better feat than that heat-wise

We see him using Igni against several creatures without it vaporizing anything. So totally inconsistent with how igni is usually portrayed.

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Much weaker high explosives than the ones used to explode those towers can produce 2500-4400K of heat. So like I said, nothing Krauser can't deal with. He's too fast and agile to be tagged by it anyway.

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#22  Edited By Eredin12

@a_marques:

No. They are very clearly hyperboles. Expressions like moving with the speed of lightning, lightning speed, or having lightning fast movement and reflexes are commonly used by writers to say their characters were moving very fast, but doesn't mean they're actually as fast as lightning. So yeah, hyperboles.

Like I said, it makes a lot more sense to say he aim blocked it because no one in The Witcher universe has ever showed that level of speed before or after that one instance. Or that's simply an outlier. Same as with Leon reacting to light from a flashbang.Nah, you can still aim dodge from someone faster than you.

Nah, it is case by case basis my friend. You see something actually can be as fast as Lightning as the name states, but yes it can also be used as hyperbole as you pointed out, that is why you don't instantly call something you don't like hyperboles, no you look at contexts. Contexts such as Geralt or someone he kept up with actually having Lightning timing feats, that I showed, and when you factor that, then it becomes quite clear that these are not hyperboles since I have both these statements and direct Lightning timing feats to back them up, while you have nothing that would suggest it is hyperbolic after that.

They did show that level of speed before and after, we have much more than one instance of it, so it is not an outlier either unlike Leon reacting to Light one time. You see, when you aim to dodge something, as the name implies you dodge his aim, in this case with Lightning as you suggested, he would need to cross few meters, before Wizard can move his arm like 50 cm to shot a bolt at him, and if he is slower than Wizard, that is simply not a realistic conclusion, Geralt does not have precog or something, if he did, then maybe you would have point, but he does not, he needs to first see/ hear Wizard move and then dodge him aim, him doing that, and crossing few meters before Wizard finishes his movement, would mean Geralt is faster than him, which he is not

You showed one instance where someone who is faster than Geralt reacted to lightning and I showed an instance where someone who's slower than Krauser reacted to light. Hyperbole statements aren't feats. Not that any of this matters since even if there are more than one instance, he's clearly not operating at that level of speed on a normal basis.

Geralt can keep up with Vilgefortz, even if he is a bit slower, and that is just one instance that I showed, I also showed feats for Geralt himself, him moving at speed comparable to a Lightning bolt made by actual Storm/ Cloud Djin conjured, then after that, all of those other instances that say that he moved as fast as Lightning, ones that you now cannot call hyperbolic after these direct Lightning timing feats above, so if he has like 6 or 7 stuff like that, it is the pretty normal basis

Game mechanics. Really? Projectiles travel speed is rarely if ever accurately portrayed during gameplay. Geralt is moving at normal gameplay speeds which is definitely not lightning speed.If you want to use that as proof for Geralt being as fast as lightning, then here's my proof for Geralt being slower than a crossbow bolt.So I guess that means crossbow bolts > Geralt = lightning in The Witcher universe.

First of all, ofc we can use gameplay for game characters, in fact, some of the stuff that you use for RE guys in debates also come to form the gameplay, not from cutscenes. But like you, I am not using the health bar or stuff like that, I am using animated aspects of gameplay that are not dependent on the skill of the player and that are consistent with other feats/stuff outside of gameplay. Lightning moves as fast as Lightning both in and out of gameplay. A simple fault in your logic here is that you are assuming that Geralt moves at the same speed all the time lol, he does not, he moves faster when there is a need for that, like when he fights Djin who uses Lightning. Geralt will move much faster to dodge that, then when avoiding crossbow, that is some basic logic lol, what are we even talking about here? Anyone let alone developers know that. So in essence, y our logic is as faulty as if I say used Batman fighting holding back Reverse Flash and landing shots, and said that based on that Superman is only as fast as Batman or slower, as he is slower than Reverse-Flash,

Seriously, the fact you can write an entire paragraph like this without realizing how insane this sounds is mind boggling. GERALT BEING MORE THAN A HUNDRED TIMES FASTER THAN EVEN RIFLE BULLETS, how does that make any sense at all? By your logic he should be more than SIXTEEN HUNDRED(1,600) times faster then recurve bows arrows. Arrows are still a threat to the guy for God's sake. He has trouble parrying multiple arrows at once. Someone that fast would be able to literally run around arrows while casually picking them out of the air.

What you're doing is no different than what that guy in the Levi vs Batman thread was doing, saying Batman was FTL because he dodged lasers and light fast attacks from Dr. Light, and reacted and tagged light speed characters in more than one instance. You called him out for that. So how can you not see how ridiculous this whole "Geralt is as fast as lightning" argument really is?

Actually you wrote that paragraph, all I did is add in few words lol. The reason that makes sense is that people who wrote him, gave him those feats, a number of them, showing their intent, as this is fiction you know. Arrows are not a threat to Geralt, he has shown very casual arrow timing a number of times, even without looking at them, he can even casually reflect them back at the shooter, furthermore:

now video got cut down, unfortunately, but here is the source so that you can see that I did not make that up,

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/geralt-of-rivia-5480/geralt-of-rivia-respect-thread-work-in-progress-1775223/

The point being, Geralt does not struggle with arrows, even if you found one instance of that, it is contradicted by much more showings, and it is not like he would be the only character with some low showings lol, remember how many times Nuke has one-shotted Post Crisis Superman? I think around 5 times. Does that erase his good feats? Of course not, but by logic you used, it would

Because unlike with Batman, Geralt actually has much more feats involving Lightning timing, and they do not rely on faulty scaling either. Tagging speedsters does not make you super-fast, as they hold back a lot, at most Batman has one legit instance like that while having hundreds of times more appearances than Geralt and he has far more anti feats to debunk him being anywhere near that fast, that is not case with Geralt.

Calling it a kaiju doesn't make the feat more impressive than it really is. That thing is big, but that's it. And Geralt didn't stop its charge. It covered the distance to Geralt then tried to attack him with its teeth. Geralt blocked the attack after bracing himself, using his whole body strength, but still got overpowered and pushed back.

Geralt clearly getting overpowered by a big monster until someone stepped in and distracted the monster isn't anywhere near enough to say Geralt can come close to match Krauser who can casually peformed a 20+ tons(lowball using 275MPa instead of 440MPa as the ultimate tensile strength and 4"x2" x 0,1" as the dimensions for a rectangular steel tube) feat with one arm and while in a weakened state. And that's just one part of the feat. The other part is Krauser tossing the beam with enough force to impale it deeply into the ground and literally cause the ground the explode with the impact, sending huge chunks of the ground flying high into the air.

Geralt never showed the strength necessary to tear apart reinforced steel or throw anything with that amount of force. Especially not that casually and not while in a weakened state.

Geralt did stop its charge, Beast attacked him not with the intention to bite him but to slam into him with its head/closed teeth, hence why it did not bite his sword, but with closed teeth pushed against it, clearly continued to try to push him forward, as we see that he was pushed for 60 cm before he stopped it. Both of them used their entire body here, but Beast had momentum on top of the strength and mass of his body, while Geralt did not as he was standing. With that momentum it pushed Geralt 60 cm before he negated said momentum and managed to stop it, overpowering Kaijus momentum and its strength, stopping it in place, which happened before any distraction came into play. He is one that overpowered it, not another way around lol, at worst he and Kaiju would be comparably strong based on this. That is far above what Krauser did.

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You say that was a "20+ ton feat for Krauser" as if that helps him here, this is far above that lol, this Kaiju has a mass of hundreds/ thousands of tons and was running at full speed on top of that, he had both that and his own muscle strength and Geralt stopped it after being pushed only for 60 cm. I know you don't like Geralt and all but trying to say that tearing beam of reinforced steel is above this is quite cute tbh

If you want more feats like that, Geralt overpowering Ilmreith would also be up there :

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As Ilmreith casually broke Vesimirs neck, with just one hand. It takes around 500 kg of force to just break neck of a normal human for the record:

"To break the neck of a human, 1,000 to 1,250 foot-pounds of torque is considered sufficient. "

https://www.reference.com/science/much-pressure-break-neck-2c63a950df2b98f0

While Vesimir is superhuman hundreds of times more durable than your average joe, and Ilmreith did this with the strength of his one hand, while Geralt overpowered his entire body.

I meant to use it as a damage soak(being showered with bullets) and raw durability(getting caught in the explosion) feat. Krauser survived punishment that would have killed Geralt dozens of times over.

You're joking, right? A few fireballs that had little concussive force is not even remotely comparable to a massive explosion which destroyed two giant stone towers. Those fireballs did no damage to the ground, and all it did was kill and knock back Wild Hunt soldiers a few feet away. Krauser's durability is far greater than Geralt's own durability or his Queen. His queen can be destroyed by a thrown wagon, lol. With the level of force Krauser can produce (as seen above) Krauser would tear trough it like wet tissue.

Him having more endurance than Geralt is unquestionable, though it has no relevance here, we are talking about durability, Krauser will not heal from 3d degree burns and his head being cut off, now will he.

Fireballs did not even hit the ground directly, they fell on top of Queen, oh and for their concussive force, just mere air pressure of them killed fully armored Wild Hunt soldiers, actual superhumans in alien armor that normal weapons cannot even scratch. Mind you air pressure that is 3000+ times weaker than direct hit itself that Queen no sold. Yes that is above Krauser surviving explosion that destroyed those towers, as Queen no-sold 2 this, while Krauser did not, and Queen took more of this energy of impact than Krauser did with that explosion

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Wagon thrown by the strength of Higher Vampire behind it lol, that is my point, too bad Krauser does not have feats near that level, he has no feats to show he hits with more force than meteors from Triss that Queen no sold, Krauser is not killing a group of Superhumans in complete armor with an air pressure of one strike....

So a higher vampire can jump that high? Okay. Can Geralt do it? No. Krauser is far more agile than Geralt. Period. That higher vampire can't combine his agility with acrobatics to dance around bullets like Krauser can. That higher vampire isn't as fast or as skilled as Krauser either.

Dancing around bullets by doing flips is not that special here first of all, as even kid Ciri can do flips like that , meaning the agility aspect of that is not a problem, as for the speed aspect of it, we showed better feats than bullet timing. If Geralt killed that Higher Vampire, then clearly his agility is not a problem to him, that is the point, that is why it will not save Krauser either

Oh I agree that he is not as fast, he is faster, after all, Regis also has a statement about moving as fast as Lightning, before you again pull hyperbole card, Regis has it while literally keeping up with Vilgefortz, the guy that as you know is the casual Lightning timer.

No he doesn't, lol. Even weaker Anti tank missiles can punch through 260mm-400mm of reinforced steel with stronger missiles punching through 500mm-750mm of armor. Geralt has zero feats at that level. His Queen can't stop an anti tank missile either. Those "meteors" weren't impressive.

The anti-tank missile cannot kill few superhumans in full armor with mere air pressure, can it? 750 mm would be 75 cm, not only is that below Kaiju feat, not only was Geralt trading blows with Higher Vampires who hit stronger than Tris's meteors but Geralt also cuts Wild Hunt armor like paper, armor noted to be unable to be cut at all by normal soldiers, and normal peak human soldiers in Witcher hit with the force of bullets( see him effortlessly cutting horse head off in one swing better than Mountain)

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Hits like that would be able to cut reinforced steel after a number of strikes, while they cannot do the same to Wild Hunt armor that Geralt treats like paper

Because he isn't a fodder farmer, thug or prison guard. Even if it can confuse him for a split second, I doubt Geralt can use it on a fast moving target in the middle of combat. A flashbang can stun and blind Geralt for much longer, anyway. And Geralt has no answer to it since blocking it with queen won't stop him from getting blinded.

Not being a fodder farmer, thug, or prison guard does not give you resistance to magical mind attacking spells though. Resistance feats do feats Krasuer lack. it would stun him for few seconds, that is what Queen does to people who lack resistance, when he is stunned, he would not be fast-moving at all, or moving for that matter, better, besides shaking the head, Geralt would use that to kill him.

Did you play games my friend lol? Geralt does not need eyes to fight, one of the first lessons Ciri needed to learn is to do this kind of stuff without eyes:

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So no, blinding Light is not helping Krauser beat Geralt

We see him using Igni against several creatures without it vaporizing anything. So totally inconsistent with how igni is usually portrayed.

Much weaker high explosives than the ones used to explode those towers can produce 2500-4400K of heat. So like I said, nothing Krauser can't deal with. He's too fast and agile to be tagged by it anyway.

Almost like Geralt can control how much power he uses in his spells like you know, pretty much all Sorcerers, right? Who would have thought...

2500 and 4400K could not come even close to vaporizing the leg of Beast like this, instantly. Vaporizing stuff instantly is like, really really hard I am afraid.

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Geralt is a thousand tonner, as fast as lightning, can slice main battle tanks to ribbons effortlessly.

NICE.

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@a_marques:

Geralt is a thousand tonner

Now now, I did not say that, but was Beast at least in hundreds of tons range yes, which ofc makes it better than 20+ ton feat for Krauser, as for "slice tanks" part, not sure why not, that is street tier stuff

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Geralt stomps the fodder

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geralt cuts him in a half.

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I did not say that, but was Beast at least in hundreds of tons range yes

Yeah right, lol.

this Kaiju has a mass of hundreds/ thousands of tons and was running at full speed on top of that

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@a_marques: Hence why I left both as possible options and did not argue for a specific one, but trying to be as fair as possible, I can agree with the lower option( hundreds of tons) as well and it still proves my point, it is not inconsistent either, since overpowering Ilmreith is also in that range.

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Krauser tags Leon before there's even time to react. Not to compare Leon Kennedy to Geralt, but people are making this out to be more of a stomp than it would be. Krauser is infected by a master Plaga strain, meaning he has enhanced strength, agility, the ability to mutate his arm into a large bladed weapon that can also block projectiles. Not that he necessarily needs it, as he can bullet time.

Not even taking into consideration that Krauser has explosive arrows, military-grade drones. Honestly, Geralt using signs is probably what gives him the edge here.

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@a_marques: Also, here is one more solid feat, Letho blitzed this Mage so fast, that it sent Mage's body flying down with enough speed to cross 3, 4 meters while falling objects in the background looked frozen in meantime:

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Mind you only part of the speed of Letho's own strike was transferred onto Mage's body, Letho himself moved even faster, yet even Mage's body still moved hundreds of times faster than falling objects in the background. As for how fast those objects moved down, given 10 meters/ sec gravity acceleration, and given how long they were falling before this moment due to the size of the ship, would themselves move at 40+ KMH at least, and Mage's body, which again moved slower than Letho himself, moved hundreds of times faster than them. This shows without any doubt that Letho operates in hypersonic range casually. That is also a feat I don't think Krauser can replicate.

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@eredin12 you seem to have a lot of that scientific stuff at hand, so I have a question: how much force is required to smash a human skull? Since we're using composite Geralt, he would scale from lesser witchers like Deglan, who can do this and this.

You addressed most of @a_marques' points, but I'll add something from myself.

@a_marques said:

@eredin12:

They are not "obvious hyperboles" when they are backed by the last scan which is a direct feat though, and I am not even necessarily talking about them dodging it here as that one is more debatable by itself as you pointed out, but rather Vilgefortz effortlessly deflecting bolt after it was fired, and Geralt can keep up with him, for that he does not need to be faster than Lightning either, but still faster than Jack, and also given that Vilgefortz is a bit faster than them they cannot realistically aim dodge him, as that would mean they can cross few meters before he can even aim lol

No. They are very clearly hyperboles. Expressions like moving with the speed of lightning, lightning speed, or having lightning fast movement and reflexes are commonly used by writers to say their characters were moving very fast, but doesn't mean they're actually as fast as lightning. So yeah, hyperboles.

Like I said, it makes a lot more sense to say he aim blocked it because no one in The Witcher universe has ever showed that level of speed before or after that one instance. Or that's simply an outlier. Same as with Leon reacting to light from a flashbang.

Nah, you can still aim dodge from someone faster than you.

That one maybe, but these ones for Geralt are not, as there are much more than one instance of them.

You showed one instance where someone who is faster than Geralt reacted to lightning and I showed an instance where someone who's slower than Krauser reacted to light. Hyperbole statements aren't feats. Not that any of this matters since even if there are more than one instance, he's clearly not operating at that level of speed on a normal basis.

First of all, Leon didn't react to shit. He had turned his head after the grenade already went off. Second, unlike Leon being a light-timer, witchers having lighting-fast reflexes is actually established in the lore. In fact, it's told right in your face way back in Witcher 1:

Eskel: The Grasses affect the nervous system, so magic must control the process. The Trials results in lightning fast reflexes, reaction time normal people will never attain.

The Witcher

And before you go with the hyperbole nonsense, two things:

  • This is Eskel, the guy who went through witcher training at the same time Geralt has, meaning he's in the business for as long as Geralt (over a houndred years). Meaning he knows what he's talking about;
  • Eskel is talking to a Geralt suffering from amnesia, meaning Eskel would want to provide him with as accurate a breakdown of his capabilities as possible.

Also, this refers to a standard witcher after a standard Trial of Grasses. Geralt went through additional mutations twice, first right after the Trails...

Geralt: I underwent usual mutations there, through the Trial of Grasses, and then hormones, herbs, viral infections. And then through them all again. And again, to the bitter end. Apparently, I took the changes unusually well; I was only ill briefly, I was considered an exceptionally resilient brat... and was chosen for more complicated experiments as a result. They were worse. Much worse. But, as you see, I survived. The only one to live out of all those chosen for further trails.

The Last Wish

... and for the second time in Blood and Wine:

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The mutations he went through in Blood and Wine are specifically mentioned to improve a witcher's strength and speed.

And if keeping up with Vilgefortz (while injured, I might add) is not enough, there's also Geralt beating Dettlaff. Not only Dettlaff generates sonic booms with his movement speed, he also gained the upper hand over Regis, who was not only able to, in your wards, "dance around" Vilgefortz's magic attack, but also close the distance between them (Vilgefortz being, again, a casual lightning timer):

But Vilgefort was not yet defeated and did not mean to surrender. He threw off the Witcher with a great surge of power and shot a blinding white flame at the attacking vampire, which sliced through a column like a hot knife through butter. Regis nimbly avoided the flame and materialized in his normal shape alongside Geralt.

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With an incredible, lightning-fast, tiger-like bound he fell on the sorcerer and grabbed him by the throat.

The Lady of the Lake
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Game mechanics. Really? Projectiles travel speed is rarely if ever accurately portrayed during gameplay. Geralt is moving at normal gameplay speeds which is definitely not lightning speed.

If you want to use that as proof for Geralt being as fast as lightning, then here's my proof for Geralt being slower than a crossbow bolt.

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So I guess that means crossbow bolts > Geralt = lightning in The Witcher universe.

Yes, because you, the player, need to be able to react to this. That doesn't change its standing in the lore:

A djinn is a powerful air spirit, a condensation of the power of that element endowed with consciousness and character - the latter usually nasty.

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Fighting a djinn is extraordinarily difficult. They can fling off spells in an instant that the most accomplished human mages could never cast with years of preparation. What's more, by manipulating the element of air they can summon powerful storms, hurricanes, and gales.

Djinn's Bestiary Entry

The fact remains: Geralt fought with a creature capable of spamming lightning bolts.

For someone who laughs at using game mechanics, you're very quick to fall back on using them when it suits you. You know perfectly well Geralt has multum of feats of deflecting crossbow bolts.

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Calling it a kaiju doesn't make the feat more impressive than it really is. That thing is big, but that's it. And Geralt didn't stop its charge. It covered the distance to Geralt then tried to attack him with its teeth. Geralt blocked the attack after bracing himself, using his whole body strength, but still got overpowered and pushed back.

Geralt clearly getting overpowered by a big monster until someone stepped in and distracted the monster isn't anywhere near enough to say Geralt can come close to match Krauser who can casually peformed a 20+ tons(lowball using 275MPa instead of 440MPa as the ultimate tensile strength and 4"x2" x 0,1" as the dimensions for a rectangular steel tube) feat with one arm and while in a weakened state. And that's just one part of the feat. The other part is Krauser tossing the beam with enough force to impale it deeply into the ground and literally cause the ground the explode with the impact, sending huge chunks of the ground flying high into the air.

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Geralt never showed the strength necessary to tear apart reinforced steel or throw anything with that amount of force. Especially not that casually and not while in a weakened state.

Getting shot and slashed so many times a large portion of his chest gets destroyed along with his heart is not even durability feat first of all, as he got hurt but rather endurance one, getting caught in an explosion which destroyed two large stone towers and tanking it is a legit one though, but below Geralt tanking hits from Monsters that can destroy Destroy Queen, which can no sell meteor barrage from Triss

I meant to use it as a damage soak(being showered with bullets) and raw durability(getting caught in the explosion) feat. Krauser survived punishment that would have killed Geralt dozens of times over.

You're joking, right? A few fireballs that had little concussive force is not even remotely comparable to an explosion which destroyed two giant stone towers. Those fireballs did no damage to the ground, and all it did was kill and knock back Wild Hunt soldiers a few feet away. Krauser's durability is far greater than Geralt's own durability or his Queen. His queen can be destroyed by a thrown wagon, lol. With the level of force Krauser can produce (as seen above) Krauser would tear trough it like wet tissue.

You want to talk about agility? This guy casually jumped over 10 meters high wall during one of his crimes irrc, and Geralt killed him nonetheless

So a higher vampire can jump that high? Okay. Can Geralt do it? No. Krauser is far more agile than Geralt. Period. That higher vampire can't combine his agility with acrobatics to dance around bullets like Krauser can. That higher vampire isn't as fast or as skilled as Krauser either.

Geralt has feats above anti-tank missiles force wise, and Queen alone, no selling meteors barrage from Triss shits on all of that, not to mention Aard to deflect it

No he doesn't, lol. Even weaker Anti tank missiles can punch through 260mm-400mm of reinforced steel with stronger missiles punching through 500mm-750mm of armor. Geralt has zero feats at that level. His Queen can't stop an anti tank missile either. Those "meteors" weren't impressive.

@eredin12 already addressed most of that so I'll just add that Geralt quite regularly beats fire elementals, who are capable of burning down a city block:

The first fire elemental was created by Ransant Alvaro. Sadly, flames engulfed his entire laboratory, burning it - along with every other building on his block - to ash.

Tarvix Sandoval, "Origins of Magic Arcana"
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Because he isn't a fodder farmer, thug or prison guard. Even if it can confuse him for a split second, I doubt Geralt can use it on a fast moving target in the middle of combat. A flashbang can stun and blind Geralt for much longer, anyway. And Geralt has no answer to it since blocking it with queen won't stop him from getting blinded.

Geralt's Axii can influence the minds of sorcerers, people trained in telepathy and resisting it:

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And it's not like anyone is arguing that Geralt would outright mind control Krauser (though he most likely would), he only needs to stun him for a few seconds and remove his head.

As for being blinded, well...

The ability to narrow and widen our pupils at will enables witchers to see in complete darkness or to avoid being blinded by a sudden flash of light.

The World of the Witcher
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Vaporizing a werewolf's leg instantly is a better feat than that heat-wise

We see him using Igni against several creatures without it vaporizing anything. So totally inconsistent with how igni is usually portrayed.

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Much weaker high explosives than the ones used to explode those towers can produce 2500-4400K of heat. So like I said, nothing Krauser can't deal with. He's too fast and agile to be tagged by it anyway.

The lore disagrees:

A twist of a witcher's fingers can light a lamp... or incinerate a foe.

GWENT: The Art of The Witcher Card Game

And it's not like magic users in Witcher can't adjust the power of their spells.

As for agility, you've seen what a blindfolded, unmutated, teenage Ciri is capable of. Geralt went through the same training, so you can imagine what a fully trained and mutated witcher would be able to do agility-wise. Funny thing is, Vesemir says that Ciri wasn't even that great to begin with:

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Btw. I'm still waiting for feats of Krauser fighting (less alone beating) a superhuman master swordsman with over a hundred years of combat experience against vide variety of supernatural creatures (including other skilled swordsmen), who also happens to possess strong and versatile magic.

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The anti-tank missile cannot kill few superhumans in full armor with mere air pressure, can it? 750 mm would be 75 cm, not only is that below Kaiju feat, not only was Geralt trading blows with Higher Vampires who hit stronger than Tris's meteors but Geralt also cuts Wild Hunt armor like paper, armor noted to be unable to be cut at all by normal soldiers, and normal peak human soldiers in Witcher hit with the force of bullets( see him effortlessly cutting horse head off in one swing better than Mountain)

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Hits like that would be able to cut reinforced steel after a number of strikes, while they cannot do the same to Wild Hunt armor that Geralt treats like paper

Yeah, normal humans in Witcher tend to be really underrated. A completely normal human like Guillaume can take a direct hit from a shaelmaar, a creature strong enough to dig vast underground tunnels with enough force to shake and collapse buildings on the surface, and is mostly fine, except for a few broken bones.

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@the_wspanialy:

@eredin12 you seem to have a lot of that scientific stuff at hand, so I have a question: how much force is required to smash a human skull? Since we're using composite Geralt, he would scale from lesser witchers like Deglan, who can do this and this.

Well in a way Mountain did 1200 pounds, but as this is quicker, it would take a bit more:

"A Japanese study put the figure for a full-on crushing as high as 1,200 pounds (5,400 newtons). Conclusion: Your Mountain may vary.03.06.201"4.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/game-thrones-question-whats-it-take-crush-skull-n121436