Izuku Midoriya vs Six Paths of Pain (Naruto)

Deku oneshot

Aint no way the poll is this close.....

pain stomps

@Estrelladeleon:

Deku currently is has higher durability and striking strength compared to pain who is only mountain level, meanwhile deku at best is easily island level.

Deku with gear shift is currently mhs with low end calc and mhs+ with high end. Not only that, deku is more than capable of slowing down pain with just one hit and has danger sense to keep him aware of where pain is going to strike next (so he could dodge pains attacks).

@savage_emperor1:

Deku currently is has higher durability and striking strength compared to pain who is only mountain level, meanwhile deku at best is easily island level.

Pain is much higher then mountain , he can casually turn the leaf into a pretty deep crater with one jutsu and is vastly superior to Deidara who casually flips island-large island ( turtle island ) with casual blasts.

Deku with gear shift is currently mhs with low end calc and mhs+ with high end. Not only that, deku is more than capable of slowing down pain with just one hit and has danger sense to keep him aware of where pain is going to strike next (so he could dodge pains attacks).

Way too slow , Naruto has sub Kakashi characters firing powerful lightning blasts at the speed of light , no way is MHS+ anyway compareable to pain dhe tk countless metas.

Little universal pull + soul rip = GG

Pretty sure Pain low difs. Excuse me if I'm being ignorant. Would like to see some scans for Deku.

If Pain starts at full power it means he can release the Konoha cratering attack on Deku. He doesn't survive it. I am also sure that Gamabunta one shotting shinra tensei will also almost kill Deku. If Pain survived long enough against 6 tails Naruto to use CT he can do that against Deku.

Neither of them is mountain level physically, though.

I doubt he can dodge Shinra Tensei once Pain releases it. And when he does it's usually in close range.

I don't agree with the arguments being made but also think Pain wins. Mainly that Deku would need to physically touch Pain to deal damage, but Pain's skill is vastly superior, while I don't think Deku is faster either. He's probably going to lose that battle almost every time regardless of the scenario. That said, Deku did no-sell a full-powered strike from ShigAFO in his brute form, which was sorta wild (and didn't make much sense).

My two cents, at least.

Leaning Pain

will be pretty hard fight i'll give it to more towards Deku

Pain stomps

Shina Tensei, GG

Deku high difficulty.

He doesn't use chakra so the preta path is useless and he heavily outstats safe Naruto who outstats the pain's. (Assuming the deva path doesn't immediately nuke him)

Current Deku might actually pull it off. At this point, he is much stronger physically (one good hit on any of the Pains and they're dead) and should be easily fast enough to keep up. His versatility and maneuverability with flying and black whip combos is also a big plus. He can activate his smokescreen ability to mess with Pain's linked vision too.

I might have said Pain without knowledge, but with full knowledge and Deku's battle smarts? Yeah, I think he may take it. That said, if Pain resorts to chibaku tensei, I'm not sure there's anything Deku could do to counter it.

In most cases I'd say Deku wins extreme diff.

@Maulsmacker:

The leaf is not island level bruh, it is only city level and at his best with ct he is mountain level+. Am not debating about deidara since dude caps at mountain level, same tier as bakugo nothing more and nothing less.

SOL is to far fetch for pain and he never did any feat on that level, if you want to argue light speed am more than willing to argue ftl deku lol.

Currently deku beats pain in stats advantage and also has the speed to contend, so one hit from deku is killing pain.

@savage_emperor1:

The leaf is not island level bruh, it is only city level

It is , via calculations and using the forest of death , the leaf radius would be around 60 kilometers and making craters with that radius is easily island level.

and at his best with ct he is mountain level+.

not really , the Chibaku Tensei was dwarfing massive three kilometer each mountains and all that mass was immidiately pulled up into the air , and that was a massively weakened beaten up exhausted pain who had lost five paths that did the feat , and even then he could've easily enlarged the Chibaku tensei.

Am not debating about deidara since dude caps at mountain level, same tier as bakugo nothing more and nothing less.

why does the dude cap at mountain level when he casually flips pretty large islands with his blasts after being weakened by Edo Tensei?

SOL is to far fetch for pain and he never did any feat on that level, if you want to argue light speed am more than willing to argue ftl deku lol.

depends on the legitmacy of the argument , Pain > Base gai and lee= outpacing Haku's lightspeed transportation physically , and his meta is really simple , dunno what you find far fetched.

Currently deku beats pain in stats advantage

not seeing it tbh , characters vastly weaker then Pain like Deidara flip over large islands without any trouble and a beaten up holding back exhausted pain still casually raises island level mass many kilometers in the sky with CT without even giving it his all , don't seeing how Deku is stronger then Pain.

and also has the speed to contend, so one hit from deku is killing pain

don't see it

@Greythejiren:

Both feat you actually mentioned for pain are actually city level and mountain level, which is actually nothing on deku since base all might while weakened was able to perform a similar feat with just wind pressure alone.

Yeah deku is actually above mountain level and shigi was able to shake ua island by just tilting and yet he is still getting the newbie treatment by deku, so pain is the only one on mountain level.

Shinra tensei can be dodged by deku, and even if he decided not to dodge it, deku durability scale higher than that (so deku can no sell his ct and shinra tensei).

@savage_emperor1:

The leaf is not island level bruh, it is only city level

It is , via calculations and using the forest of death , the leaf radius would be around 60 kilometers and making craters with that radius is easily island level , even parts of the crater were visually dwarfing mountains.

and at his best with ct he is mountain level+.

not really , the Chibaku Tensei was dwarfing massive three kilometer each mountains and all that mass was immidiately pulled up into the air , the mointains in comparasion to Chibaku tensei were dwarfed , that crater also competely dwarf every mountain there

and that was a massively weakened beaten up exhausted pain who had lost five paths that did the feat , and even then he could've easily enlarged the Chibaku tensei.

Am not debating about deidara since dude caps at mountain level, same tier as bakugo nothing more and nothing less.

why does the dude cap at mountain level when he casually flips pretty large islands with his blasts after being weakened by Edo Tensei?

SOL is to far fetch for pain and he never did any feat on that level, if you want to argue light speed am more than willing to argue ftl deku lol.

depends on the legitmacy of the argument , Pain > Base gai and lee= outpacing Haku's lightspeed transportation physically , and his meta is really simple , dunno what you find far fetched.

Currently deku beats pain in stats advantage

not seeing it tbh , characters vastly weaker then Pain like Deidara flip over large islands without any trouble and a beaten up holding back exhausted pain still casually raises island level mass many kilometers in the sky with CT without even giving it his all , don't seeing how Deku is stronger then Pain.

and also has the speed to contend, so one hit from deku is killing pain

don't see it

@savage_emperor1:

The leaf is not island level bruh, it is only city level

It is , via calculations and using the forest of death , the leaf crater alone showed to dwarf nereby mountains in depth and such from far away

forests with 20km radius is nothing compared to leaf.

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and pain turned the entire thing into a mere crater with his shinra Tensei , which is inferior to Chibaku tensei logically.

and at his best with ct he is mountain level+.

not really , the Chibaku Tensei was dwarfing massive three kilometer each mountains and all that mass was immidiately pulled up into the air , the mointains in comparasion to Chibaku tensei were dwarfed , that crater also competely dwarf every mountain there

and that was a massively weakened beaten up exhausted pain who had lost five paths that did the feat , and even then he could've easily enlarged the Chibaku tensei.

Am not debating about deidara since dude caps at mountain level, same tier as bakugo nothing more and nothing less.

why does the dude cap at mountain level when he casually flips pretty large islands with his blasts after being weakened by Edo Tensei?

SOL is to far fetch for pain and he never did any feat on that level, if you want to argue light speed am more than willing to argue ftl deku lol.

depends on the legitmacy of the argument , Pain > Base gai and lee= outpacing Haku's lightspeed transportation physically , and his meta is really simple , dunno what you find far fetched.

Currently deku beats pain in stats advantage

not seeing it tbh , characters vastly weaker then Pain like Deidara flip over large islands without any trouble and a beaten up holding back exhausted pain still casually raises island level mass many kilometers in the sky with CT without even giving it his all , don't seeing how Deku is stronger then Pain.

and also has the speed to contend, so one hit from deku is killing pain

don't see it

Deku is acually at this tier now huh

@maulsmacker: The only thing I personally think Deku leads in is strength.

Since I'm not a fan of scaling Deidara's explosions, or Onoki's ability to manipulate gravity on the Island Turtle to other characters' strength.

I'd also be a bit wary of taking the "mountains" behind Konoha at face value. We have several panels and artworks of Konoha, so there are either intentionally small mountains or large hills surrounding the city, or inconsistent illustrations. That's my read at least.

I see , all reasonable takes , calcs do put the radius of konoha at consistently 15+ km though , even the ones done without FOD , another statement from Boruto implying Konoha is 40 km in just one direction too.

stats are close but the numbers and versatility give the edge to pain

Is Deku really MHS and Large Mountain - Island level now? Haven't kept up with Manga.

OT: From what I've seen Pain slaps

@godlyshinigami:

Is Deku really MHS and Large Mountain - Island level now? Haven't kept up with Manga.

It's going to depend on who you ask. Through regular power-scaling means, he's probably up there, yeah. But narratively and storywise, I'd say he's not there yet. So it depends on what standards you use when you evaluate a character.

Pain negs

I'm not gonna vote yet cause I wanna see the boy grow some and it become a real discussion. There is just no chance in hell that Pain loses at this time. Equalize speed and he still stomps. The nature of his ability vs Deku's is just painful. This is like the old Hulk vs Unus the Untouchable comic, but Deku is not a Hulk

@maulsmacker:

Yeah this doesn't prove anything, and in which island have you ever seen a tree being almost comparable to a mountain lol.

A massively weakened pain with his best technique could only perform a mountain level feat, something that below deku and most of your debate have already been pointed out here and debunked.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/nagato-uzumaki-busting-tier-1964067/

Can you calculate the size of that small island that deidara flip to anything above mountain level to mountain level+ huh.

Base gai and lee are not are nothing close to light speed and the last time gai entered anything close to ls he almost died and that was in his 8th gate form.

Neither of what pain or deidara did proves stats advantage especially since they used a technique to do anything close to mountain level while deku uses pure physics, and yes deku ap is far higher than pain durability so on hit from deku is more than enough to kill pain.

@savage_emperor1:

Yeah this doesn't prove anything, and in which island have you ever seen a tree being almost comparable to a mountain lol.

the trees aren't compareable to the mountains though? thats artstyle and we don't know how big those trees are , its easily to calculate the mountains to be 3 Kilometers big.

A massively weakened pain with his best technique could only perform a mountain level feat, something that below deku and most of your debate have already been pointed out here and debunked.

none of what you posted in the thread comed close to actually countering any of my arguments , and not really as the Chibaku tensei entirely dwarves the mountains , you're just coping because MHA can't compete with Naruto without MHA getting wanked to oblivion and people like you needing to be contrarians and saying that something that made an island sized crater on screen is mountain level , really sad to see this tbh.

Can you calculate the size of that small island that deidara flip to anything above mountain level to mountain level+ huh.

Very easy to do considering Turtle island is reffered to as " large " by Onoki who knows the world , Large island is something like Hawaii e.t.c.

Base gai and lee are not are nothing close to light speed and the last time gai entered anything close to ls he almost died and that was in his 8th gate form.

Nope , Base Gai and Base Lee outpaced Haku during his mirror reflection teleportation technique which is specefically stated to be lightspeed , and thus gai and lee are faster then lightspeed

Neither of what pain or deidara did proves stats advantage especially since they used a technique to do anything close to mountain level while deku uses pure physics, and yes deku ap is far higher than pain durability so on hit from deku is more than enough to kill pain.

nope Deku is like island level highballed and Pain is small country lowballed , casual Chibaku Tensei made via chakra and own energy too.

@maulsmacker:

Based on the pic you posted, those things you called mountain are only hills, and if kishimoto wanted to draw something bigger he could have easily done that so saying it is the art style doesn't actually debunk anything.

The link i posted shows how people on CV ranks pain and how laughable island level pain is and it also shows some dude bringing out some bs calculation and him getting debunk (how is that not a debunk to your claims). How am i coping when someone like shigi is stomping pain and itachi, in fact naruto fans are the ones coping, can't handle mha is slowly reaching their tier. Bruh hills ain't no mountain (get it right next time).

A mountain level island is considered large, so i don't see your point.

Your scaling chain doesn't make much sense given that lee was getting hype for just reaching super sonic speed in the chunin exam and gai almost died going slightly ftl.

Pain is nowhere near country level or even island level, meaning deku oneshot.

@savage_emperor1:

Based on the pic you posted, those things you called mountain are only hills, and if kishimoto wanted to draw something bigger he could have easily done that so saying it is the art style doesn't actually debunk anything.

again , those things are proven to be three kilometers each and there being a green forest area next to them does not contradict them being blatant mountains.

The link i posted shows how people on CV ranks pain and how laughable island level pain is

are you a concubine for the three-four year ago users? No , good because neither am I and can give less of a shit of their opinions.

and it also shows some dude bringing out some bs calculation and him getting debunk (how is that not a debunk to your claims).

because I've not presented any calculations lmao.

How am i coping when someone like shigi is stomping pain and itachi,

Either pain or itachi fingers Shigi , nothing there to actually debate.

in fact naruto fans are the ones coping, can't handle mha is slowly reaching their tier. Bruh hills ain't no mountain (get it right next time).

can't even beat pain and thinking about catching up with the verse LMFAO , and those are mountains and you'd know if you had third grade education.

A mountain level island is considered large, so i don't see your point.

Except its not considered large, the crater is blatantly island level.

Your scaling chain doesn't make much sense given that lee was getting hype for just reaching super sonic speed in the chunin exam

Lee was never stated to be just reaching super sonic speed in the chinin examinations arc

and gai almost died going slightly ftl.

Gai was never stated to be FTL in 8th gate

Pain is nowhere near country level or even island level, meaning deku oneshot.

pain is easily small country level while deku small island , no contest.

Not sure if Deku can beat the Deva Path, but Deku is powerful enough to warp the very laws of reality with his punches. I feel like his gravity type abilities would be less effective against someone who can do stuff like that

Gravity is just the effect of pulling down on space time, Deku should be able to negate this with his sheer might stacked with gearshift. And it’s a level of power he scales above when he enters overdrive(Fa Jin + Gearshift + OFA).

As for if Deku is at island levels of power, he Definitely is. The feats for 100% OFA have always been massively above his prior percentages, so it shouldn’t even be a big stretch. Just because it’s hard to believe MHA didn’t stay city level at best doesn’t mean there wasn’t a huge power creep(even the city level feats from all might were when he had no quirk and was hurt from AFO, Deku always was going to be stronger than that).

@maulsmacker:

Bruh i honestly don't understand how you can wank a hill this much to mountain level despite the scan you posted showing otherwise, even vsbattle didn't calc that hill as mountain.

Naruto has already ended 4/3 years ago, so i don't think their is any upgrade left to do on the pain feat.

You presented a calc in no.21, neither pain nor itachi has anything on shigi.

Cant even beat? Where in this debate have you seen pain beating deku huh. the scan you posted clearly shows hills, and if kishimoto wanted it to be a mountain size, he would have drawn it that way since he has drawn a mountain before. And yes i didn't do 3rd grade because my iq was above that level so skipped it while you still remained in 3rd grade for being so dense (keep on coping bruh).

You do know that even though i where to agree on deidara being small island level, pain wouldn't still scale to the deidara attack?.

Yes gai was never stated to be ftl in that form, but for him to have blitz madara he would have to be in that speed category, unless you consider 8th gate gai mhs.

Yeah pain is country level with wank while deku is island level with feat, so the way am seeing it deku still oneshot either way.

@savage_emperor1:

Bruh i honestly don't understand how you can wank a hill this much to mountain level despite the scan you posted showing otherwise, even vsbattle didn't calc that hill as mountain.

VSBW did some pretty decent calcs on the mountains during the pain saga around the pain arc battle field , this is a tree which roughly looks to be 70-80 meters in size by Naruto scaling

and this same tree wasn't even visible next to a mountain

Tree = 5px = 74.755m , calculated via the height of Naruto

mountain = 205px = 3064.955m, calculated via the height of the tree

and the mountains behind that mountain also completely dwarve this mountain, oroving even small mountains in pain arc are 3 kilometers each while being

Naruto has already ended 4/3 years ago, so i don't think their is any upgrade left to do on the pain feat.

Clueless , people learn how to calc and stop being biased , thats why lightfang wasn't accepted when the series started but now is pretty much accepted by everyone.

You presented a calc in no.21, neither pain nor itachi has anything on shigi.

a calc requires numerical values and I had zero numerical values in my post.

Cant even beat? Where in this debate have you seen pain beating deku huh.

from everything you've presented so far , oh wait you posted an absolute zero amount of feats or anything for Deku , seems like he is island level , nice but Island level doesn't compare to Pain.

the scan you posted clearly shows hills

the scan I posted clearly shows mountain , again , prove they are hills otherwise you're just playing Ad Nauseam but seeing how shitty your debates are on the David33 account I can confidently say that you live on Ad Nauseam.

, and if kishimoto wanted it to be a mountain size, he would have drawn it that way since he has drawn a mountain before.

Ok , by calculations these are 3 kilometers each which are mountains

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And yes i didn't do 3rd grade because my iq was above that level so skipped it while you still remained in 3rd grade for being so dense (keep on coping bruh).

Nice Ad Hominem , sadly your antiques aren't gonna prove points for you , are they?

You do know that even though i where to agree on deidara being small island level, pain wouldn't still scale to the deidara attack?.

he would as he is the strongest member of the Akatsuki per multiple sources

Yes gai was never stated to be ftl in that form, but for him to have blitz madara he would have to be in that speed category, unless you consider 8th gate gai mhs.

8th gate gai is easily FTL+ as he completely blitzed Juubi Madara , who is faster then Juubito who can comfortably blitz FTL characters like BM Minato and Tobirama who all scale above Mifune ( lightspeed ) , Orochimaru ( can easily react to light in novels ) and base rock lee ( who can outpace Haku during transportation ) e.t.c.

Yeah pain is country level with wank while deku is island level with feat, so the way am seeing it deku still oneshot either way.

Yea country level pain via common sense and feats while Island level Deku via scaling , Deku is impressive , just not pain level.

@maulsmacker:

None of your calc actual makes sense and even on vsbattle the calculations of konoha is only city level, which is what makes pain feat with shinra tensei only city level.

Am not clueless, you are just bias and also naive about the verse your supporting to actually see the truth, and as for the light feng well most people already believe it to be light speed tier long ago while most people play ignorant on CV and while it wasn't being put at light speed in vsbattle it was still at mhs+ and there where still argument on the feat being higher and fyi the scan you posted has number in them, so it does equate to being calculated.

It not mountain, common bruh you need glasses and if you believe that pain is anything close to island why not just open a thread and put a poll on which tier pain is at currently since you called mine old (sounds good).

So what you are implying is that i can scale deku to the current todoroki's heat attack that is currently spreading and threatening to cause a world wide destruction, well then i could get deku to continental level for him being stronger than the todoroki's since that what you are doing with pain.

Just like i said 8 gate guy is ftl, and how is pain country level with feat when you yourself put him there by scaling him above deidara hmm. Deku is island level with feat because he is currently smacking shigi who performed and island level feat by just tilting.

@savage_emperor1: :

None of your calc actual makes sense and even on vsbattle the calculations of konoha is only city level, which is what makes pain feat with shinra tensei only city level.

cratering a city sized area is island level because of cratering , the calculations of the actual technique ranges from seven gigatons to eighty gigatons which are both island level to island level+ , seven gigatons aka low end is seven times above baseline island level.

Am not clueless, you are just bias and also naive about the verse your supporting to actually see the truth,

Yes I'm biased towards the truth and which is pain being into country level and 1-5c reac.

and as for the light feng well most people already believe it to be light speed tier long ago while most people play ignorant on CV and while it wasn't being put at light speed in vsbattle it was still at mhs+ and there where still argument on the feat being higher

way to miss the point , the perception of verses have increased with time , people used to place Bleach characters at country level tops but now place them at planetary at a minimum and that is just one example of how opinions have inflated and people have moved onto higher ratings for all characters in general.

and fyi the scan you posted has number in them, so it does equate to being calculated.

but no actual poses numbers , merely the number of pixels.

It not mountain, common bruh you need glasses

VSBW did some pretty decent calcs on the mountains during the pain saga around the pain arc battle field , this is a tree which roughly looks to be 70-80 meters in size by Naruto scaling

and this same tree wasn't even visible next to a mountain

Tree = 5px = 74.755m , calculated via the height of Naruto

mountain = 205px = 3064.955m, calculated via the height of the tree

and the mountains behind that mountain also completely dwarve this mountain, proving even small mountains in pain arc are 3 kilometers each while being dwarfed by the mountains in the background.

and if you believe that pain is anything close to island why not just open a thread and put a poll on which tier pain is at currently since you called mine old (sounds good).

I would CAV Pain vs an Island level character , how about that?

So what you are implying is that i can scale deku to the current todoroki's heat attack that is currently spreading and threatening to cause a world wide destruction, well then i could get deku to continental level for him being stronger than the todoroki's since that what you are doing with pain.

Guy vaporized an ocean created by Kisame with an effortlessly attack , also that is literally spreading heat , that has nothing to do with how hard Todoroki can punch/hit/attack and without a proper timeframe you cannot calculate this , this is the same thing as city level Grindewald.

Just like i said 8 gate guy is ftl,

8 gates gai is FTL+

and how is pain country level with feat when you yourself put him there by scaling him above deidara hmm.

Chibaku Tensei is country level due to the amount of mass being moved at a pretty fast speed , and Deidara scaling which is gonna be in low teraton range adds tons of consistency to Chibaku tensei.

Deku is island level with feat because he is currently smacking shigi who performed and island level feat by just tilting

post the island level feat then.

Shigaraki pushing down the floating U.A. Island as a side-effect from jumping is cool, but the Island is like 1km wide, and the energy required to do isn't close Island-level.

Pain with high diff.

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

@maulsmacker:

(cratering a city sized area is island level because of cratering)

> it not and where did you get that idea from

(Yes I'm biased towards the truth and which is pain being into country level and 1-5c reac.)

> pain being anything close to country level is biased

(VSBW did some pretty decent calcs on the mountains during the pain saga around the pain arc battle field , this is a tree which roughly looks to be 70-80 meters in size by Naruto scaling)

> like you said vsb did a very decent calculation on the pain feat and even naruto fandom also calculated pain best feat to mountain level, so i don't know what you think you are doing.

(I would CAV Pain vs an Island level character , how about that).

I will open a poll this to see where CV put pain at

(Guy vaporized an ocean created by Kisame with an effortlessly attack , also that is literally spreading heat , that has nothing to do with how hard Todoroki can punch/hit/attack and without a proper timeframe you cannot calculate this , this is the same thing as city level Grindewald.)

> a proper time frame can be used for that feat, since it shouldn't exceed 10 mins considering how fast this war arc is progressing.

(Chibaku Tensei is country level due to the amount of mass being moved at a pretty fast speed)

> Ct doesn't have any country level feat and i will bring all the calc i have seen on pain feat with both ft and st when i get home.

(and Deidara scaling which is gonna be in low teraton range adds tons of consistency to Chibaku tensei.)

> Deidara attack have no business with any of pain feats and pain feat can't scale above deidara just because pain is stronger when their is already a decent calc on pain feat

(post the island level feat then.)

> check chapter 368 on mha and reread the star n stripe fight with shigi and you will see that shigi was already island level way back before what the shaking of ua island and his apex form is above that version of himself and yet deku is still giving him an ass whooping.

Deku oneshot pain

@savage_emperor1:

it not and where did you get that idea from

calcs from the same site that you ride , David33

pain being anything close to country level is biased

not really as I've already proven it via common sense , the cope though.

like you said vsb did a very decent calculation on the pain feat and even naruto fandom also calculated pain best feat to mountain level, so i don't know what you think you are doing

not really , VSBW have many calculations on Chibaku tensei and none of them actually caps the technique at mountain level. , the minimum is island level.

I will open a poll this to see where CV put pain at

Ok.

> a proper time frame can be used for that feat, since it shouldn't exceed 10 mins considering how fast this war arc is progressing

10 minutes is gonna cripple the feat to all hell lol and again thats just an assumptious timeframe for a feat that won't surpass gai easily vaporizing seas/oceans

> Ct doesn't have any country level feat and i will bring all the calc i have seen on pain feat with both ft and st when i get home

bring the calcs , but that much matter being suspended in air at hypersonic or higher speed is above anything you've prestended from the MHA side.

Deidara attack have no business with any of pain feats and pain feat can't scale above deidara just because pain is stronger when their is already a decent calc on pain feat

again , Pain is directly stated to be above Deidara and if we go by their potrayal/feats against other characters , then Pain is eons above Deidara so he scales to anything that Deidara does.

check chapter 368 on mha and reread the star n stripe fight with shigi and you will see that shigi was already island level way back before what the shaking of ua island and his apex form is above that version of himself and yet deku is still giving him an ass whooping.

just post the feats mate , just don't make it island shaking as that would be.... extremely dissapointing.

Deku oneshot pain

No.

@maulsmacker:

(not really as I've already proven it via common sense , the cope though.).

> well i guess you've proven a thing or two in your dreams, but in reality you are just a misinformed dude wanking a calculation to a level it is not at.

(not really , VSBW have many calculations on Chibaku tensei and none of them actually caps the technique at mountain level. , the minimum is island level.)

> vsbattle have alot of calculation that put pain at mountain, although if you want to high ball the feat, the best you could get is small island level, which is a foddler feat compared to current deku.

(10 minutes is gonna cripple the feat to all hell lol and again thats just an assumptious timeframe for a feat that won't surpass gai easily vaporizing seas/oceans)

> 10 mins is gonna cripple the feat, even if said feat take 1hr nothing would still change, but the best time frame you could give the feat is 10 minutes or low balled it can't get any higher, and it is already above gai.

(bring the calcs , but that much matter being suspended in air at hypersonic or higher speed is above anything you've prestended from the MHA side.)

>https://cablescalculations.wordpress.com/2021/09/14/naruto-calculations-list/. and deku in the first movie already performed hypersonic speed feat by dodging a bullet at close range, though it should be considered an outlier, but in the second movie deku has a very clear hypersonic speed again. Deku currently is at mhs+ and has danger sense so i don't see pain even laying a finger on deku.

(again , Pain is directly stated to be above Deidara and if we go by their potrayal/feats against other characters , then Pain is eons above Deidara so he scales to anything that Deidara does.)

> still doesn't make sense (again)

(just post the feats mate , just don't make it island shaking as that would be.... extremely dissapointing)

> can't post scan on phone mate, at best i would drop a link to each feat and calculation to that said feat.

@anonss: Dekus a lightning timer now?

@savage_emperor1:

well i guess you've proven a thing or two in your dreams, but in reality you are just a misinformed dude wanking a calculation to a level it is not at.

Again , pain won the poll 70-30 , getting more then two third the votes so we can see who has proven what and who hasn't proven what.

> vsbattle have alot of calculation that put pain at mountain, although if you want to high ball the feat, the best you could get is small island level, which is a foddler feat compared to current deku

please link these calculations , seeing how scared you are of actually posting these calculations , I'm starting to think these calculations don't exist anywhere beyond your brain , and you still haven't proven island level Deku and the least the Chibaku tensei can be is large island level.

> 10 mins is gonna cripple the feat, even if said feat take 1hr nothing would still change, but the best time frame you could give the feat is 10 minutes or low balled it can't get any higher, and it is already above gai

to burn the world down in 10 minutes , you need a powerful omnidirectional fire moving at supersonic speeds , don't see how this scales to his punches and stuff.

>https://cablescalculations.wordpress.com/2021/09/14/naruto-calculations-list/.

LOL this is a weird ass potential energy calculation while not even using the mountains next to CT.

and deku in the first movie already performed hypersonic speed feat by dodging a bullet at close range, though it should be considered an outlier, but in the second movie deku has a very clear hypersonic speed again. Deku currently is at mhs+ and has danger sense so i don't see pain even laying a finger on deku

pain is faster then people who dodge photons which are Lightspeed so I don't see how deku can land a finger even on a sick bed weakened Orochimaru, let alone a prime rinnegan Pain.

still doesn't make sense (again)

Elaborate

can't post scan on phone mate, at best i would drop a link to each feat and calculation to that said feat.

then start dropping then.

Even entertaining the idea that deku could win is insane.

@maulsmacker:

(Again , pain won the poll 70-30 , getting more then two third the votes so we can see who has proven what and who hasn't proven what.)

> here is the pool i created recent, most people already believe pain is mountain level+ or small island level. Pain being anything close to country level is laughable.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/what-level-is-pain-from-naruto-at-2289366/

(please link these calculations , seeing how scared you are of actually posting these calculations , I'm starting to think these calculations don't exist anywhere beyond your brain , and you still haven't proven island level Deku and the least the Chibaku tensei can be is large island level.)

> Ct doesn't have any feat that put it on large island level.

(to burn the world down in 10 minutes , you need a powerful omnidirectional fire moving at supersonic speeds , don't see how this scales to his punches and stuff.)

> they aren't burning down the world in 10 minutes, what omnidirectional fire are you talking about now, when their is literally someone in anime who could divide a planet with flames, so pretty sure your logic doesn't work here. The attack doesn't scale to deku, and i only brought it up once since you where wanking pain to an absurd level.

(LOL this is a weird ass potential energy calculation while not even using the mountains next to CT.)

> you are literally the only one here that calls hill mountain, even the dude in my own thread who (scaled) pain to large island level didn't bring up anything about those hills. And there's nothing wrong with the calculation i posted.

(pain is faster then people who dodge photons which are Lightspeed so I don't see how deku can land a finger even on a sick bed weakened Orochimaru, let alone a prime rinnegan Pain.)

> pain doesn't even come close to light speed, and who does he scale above that would put him to LS category?

(Elaborate).

> when was pain stated to be above deidara? Even if pain has that statement he wouldn't still scale above deidara since the person who said that have no knowledge on deidara suicide attack. How is pain eons above deidara?.

(then start dropping then.)

Links:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Giant_Star_and_Stripe

Star and stripe fist bump to earth has 139.35 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level) which again is above pain.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Cluster_Howitzer_Impact

Bakugo cluster is also above pain due to the clouds it disperse. And yet this attack did minimal damage to shigi and yet deku with gear shift is still stomping shigi and piercings him.

If you have a problem with both calc points it out i would like to here them, there is also a debate about both calc below it.

@savage_emperor1:

> here is the pool i created recent, most people already believe pain is mountain level+ or small island level. Pain being anything close to country level is laughable.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/what-level-is-pain-from-naruto-at-2289366/

the votes are split , 27% votes are around large island level , and secondly they are addressing pain's own feats rather then discussing scaling chains so I don't see your point.

Ct doesn't have any feat that put it on large island level.

the crater down is blatantly island-large island sized , and all the mass in that crater was effortlessly suspended in the air at hypersonic - massively hypersonic speed

> they aren't burning down the world in 10 minutes, what omnidirectional fire are you talking about now, when their is literally someone in anime who could divide a planet with flames, so pretty sure your logic doesn't work here. The attack doesn't scale to deku, and i only brought it up once since you where wanking pain to an absurd level.

oh so basically you admitted to wanking in response to my scaling because you actually cannot disprove shit? I get it I get it , its still pretty sad regardless but it is what it is.

you are literally the only one here that calls hill mountain, even the dude in my own thread who (scaled) pain to large island level didn't bring up anything about those hills.

again I already quantified the size of these mountains as around 3 kilometers each while all you've done so far is whine about them being mountains , beg me to not call mountains, well mountains and agree with your fanfiction of them being hills , sorry but I prefer calling mountains mountains and those are clearly mountains.

And there's nothing wrong with the calculation i posted.

again , a medicore potential energy calc , not a kinectic energy calc

pain doesn't even come close to light speed, and who does he scale above that would put him to LS category?

again pain is FTL? you not liking it isn't my problem , he scales above Base gai who can outpace haku's teleportation/transportation.

when was pain stated to be above deidara? Even if pain has that statement he wouldn't still scale above deidara since the person who said that have no knowledge on deidara suicide attack. How is pain eons above deidara?.

Deidara flipped over islands with casual blasts in Edo state , Edo Tensei are weaker then normal , alive Deidara even after C0 is capped under Pain

Links:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Giant_Star_and_Stripe

Star and stripe fist bump to earth has 139.35 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level) which again is above pain.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Cluster_Howitzer_Impact

Bakugo cluster is also above pain due to the clouds it disperse. And yet this attack did minimal damage to shigi and yet deku with gear shift is still stomping shigi and piercings him.

If you have a problem with both calc points it out i would like to here them, there is also a debate about both calc below it.

oh so finding a large calc and not elaborating is the game we're playing now? sure I can play this game.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dariel_Senju/Nagato%27s_Chibaku_Tensei_Calc

pain has too many hax