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#1 Posted by GeorgeWBush (10256 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap has his Wakandan shields

Widow has her Katana/Small knives

Who wins

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#2 Posted by GeorgeWBush (10256 posts) - - Show Bio

Up

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#3 Posted by TorikoWONTDie (1436 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow wins. She has a decent speed advantage. Badland top tier can casually deflect crossbow boots from short range...took much speed. And widow has being getting better feat wise facing Nathanial evenly and soon dark eyes warriors.

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#4 Posted by NinjaWarrior268 (11871 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow

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#5 Posted by Jack_Hart (626 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow.

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#6 Posted by shadyxv (477 posts) - - Show Bio

Widdow is fast yeah but cap is certainly stronger.

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#7 Posted by Superhero24 (4673 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow catching arrows isnt something Cap couldn't easily replicate. He is way stronger than her, and he has a durability advantage. He soldily hits much harder than her as well. He wins this battle.

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#8 Posted by dami24434 (3898 posts) - - Show Bio

cap wins in a good fight

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#9 Posted by lubub55 (12713 posts) - - Show Bio

The Widow. A hell of a lot faster and a hell of a lot more skilled. She can also put Steve down quickly with her weapons, whilst she can tank his punches.

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#10 Posted by war of light_2814 (2308 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap.

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#11 Posted by mrmonster (11205 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow. She may not be as strong as him, but she's a lot faster.

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#12 Posted by Stormdriven (17010 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve. Widow can’t take any serious hits from him

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#13 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6786 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormdriven: Badland characters take hits where there being punched several feet into concrete/brick walls.

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#14 Posted by Stormdriven (17010 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: I know, but with his shields? They have the pointed ends. Even if he didn’t have those, he’s still much stronger than anyone else on the show

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#15 Posted by destinyman75 (12498 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap

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#16 Posted by lubub55 (12713 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve. Widow can’t take any serious hits from him

She's been practically uninjured after being kicked through a wall by Sunny and got right up after being hit by Dark M.K..

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#17 Posted by john_doe_0897 (3362 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll give it 50/50. Widow is no joke but neither is Cap

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#18 Posted by Stormdriven (17010 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55: Are you saying he can’t put her down?

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#19 Posted by OriginalCaptain (3469 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap.

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#20 Posted by lubub55 (12713 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55: Are you saying he can’t put her down?

No. Where did you get that impression?

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#21 Posted by Stormdriven (17010 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55: Forgive me, I meant to ask if you meant he doesn’t have the capability to put her down with his more serious hits. Those feats are certainly good, but Steve still hits much harder than them, since he’s one shot superhuman beings that can no sell multiple story falls, crushing cars by landing on them, and ripped through Ultron bots with his shield.

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#22 Posted by lubub55 (12713 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormdriven: I definitely think he can put her down, but not with one hit. She will definitely be able to tank some of his hits but a limited number. But she uses piercing weapons herself and can one-shot as a result. She's also a lot faster and more skilled, so she will be the one to land more hits.

I don't think those feats mean he can one-shot The Widow. Badlands peak humans (especially Sunny) show the ability to break metal with strikes all the time and The Widow and other characters aren't noticeably hurt by them. Steve and Sunny are pretty close in striking (without the shield) and The Widow doesn't exactly have to will her way through Sunny's hits, so it seems logical that the same thing will happen against Steve. M.K. has much better physicals than Steve and The Widow was still able to get up after being hit by him. And the shield has piercing damage, so it's not all Steve's strength cutting through Ultron bots.

Sunny has a few striking feats I'm not sure Steve can replicate and the ones vice versa mostly rely on scaling which you don't have to do with Sunny. They're pretty close in striking, certainly close enough that if a hit from one only hurt The Widow superficially then a hit from the other won't one-shot her.

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#23 Posted by Stormdriven (17010 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55: Widow has been rocked plenty of times by lesser hits, like Quinn’s kick to the head or the kick you were referencing where Sunny kicked her through the wall (she was coughing up blood and needed a moment to be able to stand). Steve has replicated hits like that with far less effort and with less powerful techniques, like his spinning kick that sent Spider-Man into the airport walkway and bent the thick metal bar, or using a push kick to rocket a guy over the side of the Lumerian Star.

While Sunny is a great striker (arguably the best for any unenhanced in ItB), Steve is more comparable to the Dark Ones, which characters of Sunny’s tier have struggled with, and Sunny is the best fighter on the show. I don’t see how MK has better physicals than Steve, I think they’re somewhat close with Steve having superiority in durability. Since Steve has edged gauntlets, his feats against Ultron bots are viable.

Could you post the feats for Sunny you find superior? I can’t think of any off the top of my head. And since Steve has the gauntlets, he’s got plenty of striking power aided by pointed ends to his fists that can easily one shot Widow.

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#24 Posted by lubub55 (12713 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormdriven: I'm a bit tired at the moment, but if you think that Steve would beat Sunny (which most of my points will be scaling off) could we take this discussion to that thread and discuss it there? Because I think we need to have some sort of an agreement on Sunny vs Steve before discussing The Widow because of the scaling involved.

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#25 Posted by Stormdriven (17010 posts) - - Show Bio