@savage_emperor1:
> this info is straight up false, and if you hadn't said a few info that proves your knowledge on the verse, i would have that you are also misinformed. Shinso is far more better and more potent than genjutsu given the fact than shinso ability could make you stab yourself and you wouldn't even remember what happened and ojiro who was shinso puppet during the sports festival couldn't even remember how he won, all he knew was that he was some body's puppet which is why he withdraw (go and reread the chapter again) cause
Deidara did resist sasuke genjutsu the first time, but he overestimated his resistance and also got sloppy, which is the reason he was caught.
> deku is a special case, shinso was able to take control ibara in JT arc and made her use her quirk to capture her own team mate and there was no dialogue, and if they had a will to actually resist it, people wouldn't have been scared of his ability in the first place.h
I didn't say they could resist it with their will. I said they were conscious of being controlled going off of Deku and I recalled Ojiro giving Deku his warnings, which means he knew he was controlled. But then again it's true he said he didn't have memory but Deku also said his mind was fuzzy when he was brainwashed. Either way it doesn't matter, in all Sharingan genjutsu feats, the victim has no will to resist and have no idea they were controlled. which makes it better.
I'll repeat this again, Deidara never resisted genjutsu. He claimed he could, he couldn't.
i still don't believe how shinso ability is less more powerful than genjutsu.
I feel like you're trolling. I'll say it again, it's Less powerful, more Fragile, and less versatile.
At First Shinso brainwashing was only powerful enough to perform basic motor functions. He wasn't powerful enough to get people to formulate speech or write or even do anything that required much thought, They Could only follow simple instructions. This was the weak ass control Deku resisted. Shinso did get stronger though but just about strong enough to manipulate people to say a select words without giving off emotions, which is accurate because they are basically zombies and their actions are not their own. That's the extent of his manipulation.
And now compare that to genjutsu which was able to control a lady to seduce Jiraiya, make someone fight a full on battle with their friends while making logical deductionsx have someone betray their allegiance and divulge top secret information, Rule a nation for years, put someone to sleep, erase and plant nemories, plant thoughts in their head, Itachi once planted a thought in his Anbu teammates that if they ever thought of betraying him, They should fight themselves. you have to be joking cuz the level of these control feats are not close. Shinso at the time of the tournament can do none of these things I mentioned and you're wondering how it's less powerful???.
And I should reiterate that you can't snap out of genjutsu by simply a tap like Ojiro, most relevant Genjutsu, especially Sharingan genjutsu are not that Fragile. During the exam, the people Kabuto put to sleep couldn't be awakened by simply tapping them.
> kakashi stated that he blocks the sharingan field of vision + the link i posted ^^^^ above.
> have itachi been shown to be able to fight in most huh, and even if we were to assume that deku can't see anything if he used smoke screen and itachi can, there is no way itachi is actually touching deku given that he holds the speed advantage, has analystic prediction + danger sense, so itachi is not touching deku.
Mist point is irrelevant. It only works as a valid option if you have knowledge on the Sharingan and what it does, which Deku does not. It will already be too late before he figures it out. I already explained why blocking each other field of vision is a bad Idea. But it won't even come to this so moot point.
> lol at sharingan shutting down someone's consciousnes when the whole basis of genjutsu is the manipulation someone's consciousness/senses into making them believe something that isn't real, character like deidara had a whole dialogue on why genjutsu wouldn't work on him.
Putting someone to sleep is one of its basic abilities lol. Then effortlessly manipulating them while even maintaining their original personalities is another. I'll say this for the last time, Deidara failed to resist ", Sharingan genjutsu" so he is irrelevant to this conversation.
> if we are going by pure physics, no one in naruto verse is capable of destroying a building, so none of them are impressive going by physics and itachi is a stick when compared to deku.
Lol....Meanwhile Gai destroys a giant boulder with one Punch.
kN4 Naruto creates a large crater by simply swinging his arm. And a mode weaker than KCM tore through multi mountain tons of rock under heavy gravity. You're funny.
false, normal human in mha >>> average ninja, base deku while training to get ofa have shown more impressive feat than an average ninja.
Wow so base Deku before training and normal humans can Jump 50+ meters casually, move at supersonic speeds, Run at those speeds for hours without getting tired. I would like to see that. Lol, you're so misinformed or have some warped perception.
> naruto wasn't going all out against itachi
Neither was Itachi going all out on Naruto. Edos are many times weaker than their alive counterparts. Also where is the proof that Naruto was holding back? None? Ok.
and itachi doesn't have the AP to actually harm deku
Considering you've brought nothing from the manga that match Kn4's feat then No.
but has hax that wouldn't work on him, so the way i see things itachi has zero wincon against deku.
> itachi has zero feat of putting someone like deku in genjutsu and deku would resist said hax effortlessly.
Someone like Deku? You mean someone with consciousness like the Jinchuurikis. It literally gets confirmed that MS genjutsu would would shut them down, Yagura a Jinchuuriki was controlled by Sharingan genjutsu so I don't know what you're talking about.
> deku does have minor resistance to fire attacks given that he has tanked and explosion from bakugo multiple times and was near the heat of todoroki flame when he first used it at the sport festival, and if you remember, audience that where above them were also feeling the heat of todoroki flames, so amaterasu is not burning deku instantly.
Amatersu is greater than fire techniques that melt rock and steels instantly. Does Deku have resistance in that level? I think not. The heat is not even the scariest Thing about Amaterasu, it's the ability it has to burn for 7 days straight without ever going out. All you're saying is Deku would die slowly and in agony if he doesn't die instantly.
> i know about tsukuyomi, even if i didn't know about this technique, am pretty sure you blabbing about it already gave me more than enough knowledge on what it actually does. All genjutsu in naruto verse can be broken (besides infinite tsukuyomi) and sakura have already been shown to come outside of rinnegan genjutsu which is >>>>> ms genjutsu. Shinso ability is not useless given that if anyone from naruto franchise is to be caught in it in a one on one scenario, they are already dead.
> the feat that you're looking for is called "the vestige" and given how dangerous itachi tsukuyomi is, danger sense will be more than aware of the danger that awaits deku since danger sense is emotional based, so the vestige would be more than aware of the danger deku is about to face and he would be immediately pulled out of it.
First things first, Sakura didn't break the genjutsu, she was put to sleep and woke up later after the genjutsu ended. Genjutsu doesn't last forever that's not how it works. I already explained above how Shinso genjutsu compares to even basic Sharingan genjutsu much less MS genjutsu.
You clearly don't understand how Tsukuyomi works. The Vestige was able to give Deku his motor functions back and allow him to break a finger so he could feel pain that breaks him out of the genjutsu. They didn't even stop the brainwashing, they had to rely on the shock from the pain. Deku's motor functions are irrelevant to Tsukuyomi. Deku's Psyche is being dragged out to an Astral realm. The vestiges have 0 feats of interfering on mind manipulation of this level. Let me even entertain the idea that they can interfere and pull him back( this is BS by the way). How long would that take? How long did it take with shinso? A minute? 20 seconds? Deku would already be dead.
The scariest Thing about Tsukuyomi is that 1 second spent in that Astral realm = A whole life time, which breaks the mind completely. Comparing something like this to shinso manipulating the body's motor functions still baffles me.
> is the stabbing part necessary, deku is resistance to piercing attack to just like how a dagger bounced off all might chest, deku is capable of dividing a dagger with his hands (from the point edge).
Sure Deku stopped a Random Dagger so he can no sell a Susano sword. What was I thinking, sorry for bringing this up.
> i will post a calc and also tell you the chapter on how he got to such level when am through with debunking your reasoning on why itachi take's the W.
Might as well post it because you have no argument.
Amatersu still one shots (despite that horrible comparison with Todoroki and forgetting it doesn't go off)
Tsukuyomi still one shots (enough said)
Totsuka one shots (enough said)
Deku has no attack that dent Susano. GG
> you haven't technically dropped a feat beside or calc and the only you are going on is "trust me bro" and can you at least tell me what level of power is needed to destroy itachi susano because i don't think it would exceed mountain level and if it did exceed, it would be mountain level+.
I dropped feats already, I referenced several feats even in this post. Regarding Kn4 and KCM Naruto. I can't post scans for everything I say, especially since I presume you watch the series. If you want a scan dump then let's do a CAV, otherwise be specific about the exact scan you want, if it's calcs you want, they exist. Meanwhile you haven't referenced a single feat for Deku here.
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