Isshiki Otsutsuki vs Rinne-Sharingan Madara

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Madara Uchiha CAV/Respect Thread

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Madara wank is going far beyond unrealistic measures.

Jigen Destroys Any Form of Madara. Isshiki isn't even needed. This is spite

The moment is very near where realisticly madara won't even be Top 10 Strongest Characters in the franchise

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@gogito said:

Madara wank is going far beyond unrealistic measures.

Jigen Destroys Any Form of Madara. Isshiki isn't even needed. This is spite

The moment is very near where realisticly madara won't even be Top 10 Strongest Characters in the franchise

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Lol at Isshiki beating any form of Madara

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I can't really say who would win here since All we know about RinneSharingan Madara is that he can Infinite Tsukuyomi(which Isshiki) does not have any counter to currently unless. Are we assuming he can do the same Techniques Kaguya does?

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Isshiki wins

IT didn't affect Zetsu, it's not affecting Isshiki

Limbo get fodderized

jutsu get shrunk and thrown back later

Madara gets pasted if he tries h2h

There really isn't any conceivable way Madara can win this

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you dont know what you're talking about and you clearly lack knowledge

About Madara and his jutsus

The reasons why Infinite Tsukuyomi didn't work on Black Zetsu was because he wasn't a living thing he was synthetic similar to The Edo Tensei the only people that are unaffected are Synthetics, Edo Tensei, and Rinnegan users. So no Isshiki IS getting affected by Infinite Tsukuyomi seeing how he does not possess a Rinnegan to counter it.

As for Limbo you seem to misunderstand that Limbo can only be seen or affected or sensed through only 2 ways

1. A Rinnegan

2. Sage Art

These are things that Isshiki lacks so no Limbo would deal alot of Damage to him but it wouldn't put him down either(Be reminded so I'm lowballing the fuck of madara so dont get your boy or alt account here to say "waaaaah Madara Wank Isshiki beats any form of madara waaaaaah").

Isshiki's immense Chakra could overpower Madara but in terms of combat and intelligence Madara displayed more feats and Hax(e.g: Madara vs Naruto and Sasuke, Madara vs Might Guy, Madara vs the nine tailed beasts). Madara seems to more well adapted in Taijustu than Isshiki and before you say

He easily defeated Naruto and Sasuke and therefore he is stronger than Madara because he faced their stronger form. One thing you need Understand about Naruto and Sasuke is that they may be more stronger in Boruto however they lack the durability and stamina unlike their War Arc versions. Naruto had alot more power in the 4th great ninja war and so did Sasuke. Not to mention if Isshiki Ootsutsuki went against these versions he'd win but not easily

These version would give him a much more harder time than their adult versions why? Because speaking logically and biologically, An adult may he stronger than a child but a child has more energy and stamina than a adult. A perfect example of this is Axiom is Jotaro Kujo from JoJo's Bizzare Adventures

He was alot more stronger than his Part 3(teen) version in Part 4(adult) and part 6(adult) but he lacked the durability and stamina that his part 3 version had. But back to Isshiki, he is INSANELY OP he can go toe to toe with one of the most powerful naruto characters like Kaguya and Madara however, his attacks like his black receptors wont work against Madara because Madara could easily see that coming no matter how small Isshiki makes it, but his absorption and reflection could render any Ninjutsu Madara throws at him useless however this isn't the case for Limbo since Limbo isnt a Ninjutsu but world that is coplanar to the real world that only can seen by the Rinnegan and sensed by Sage Art. As stated before Isshiki lacks these tools to go against madara with but let's say he had them then he could make large work against Limbo and Infinite Tsukuyomi basically beating Madara but that isn't the case here. Madara has displayed much better feats and hax compared to Isshiki hes the better and smarter fighter but Isshiki seems to be the better user in techniques however seeing how fast Madara can adapt to techniques when he sees them the first time basically gives him an edge here but again I cannot say who would win because we do not know how powerful Madara in this form truly is we can only assume he can do the same thing as Kaguya with her RinneSharingan. But I had to Choose which is tough for me I'd have to say Madara because he is alot more smarter and faster in this scenario sure Isshiki is power enough to level Full power Naruto and Sasuke but as stated before they lack stamina and durability to keep up with Isshiki if they spent more time Training they'd easily destroy Isshiki but inevitably Isshiki is gonna lose them in the up coming chapters

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Madara kills isshiki with limbo, limbo hard counters isshiki, isshiki gets slapped around without knowing what hit him, madara can also block the rods with limbo. Rinnesharingan and rinnegan to track down isshiki, limbo will provide madara with 360° vision and switching capabilities.

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#9  Edited By MattyBoi

Isshiki blitzes and one shots.

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#10  Edited By MCU-Defender333

@gogito said:

Madara wank is going far beyond unrealistic measures.

Jigen Destroys Any Form of Madara. Isshiki isn't even needed. This is spite

The moment is very near where realisticly madara won't even be Top 10 Strongest Characters in the franchise

Go for it, list me six (not ten, six) characters in the verse above Final Form Madara, because I can honestly only think of four.

There is no Madara wank here, only people who think people like Momoshiki are miles stronger than they really are.

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Add Kaguya and Juubito and Isshiki still take this.

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In theory Isshiki should at least be able to sense limbo cuz he uses the jubis power. That being said Madara should able to see Isshiki when he shrinks and figured out how his powers work. So its mainly gonna boil down to H2H combat and stamina. Isshiki is much faster and physically stronger but hes gonna be fighting 5 limbos+ madara. The moment he uses rods madara should be able to break out like naruto and heal instantly.

So if Isshiki cant pin madara down long enough to seal him away he losses..

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Madara uses IT.

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*sigh* Madara still breaks Isshiki neck with Limbo or uses IT gg while having sweet sweet immortality and high Regen to save him from any attack.

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@gogito said:

Madara wank is going far beyond unrealistic measures.

Jigen Destroys Any Form of Madara. Isshiki isn't even needed. This is spite

The moment is very near where realisticly madara won't even be Top 10 Strongest Characters in the franchise

Go for it, list me six (not ten, six) characters in the verse above Final Form Madara, because I can honestly only think of four.

There is no Madara wank here, only people who think people like Momoshiki are miles stronger than they really are.

1. Isshiki

2.Hagoromo

3. Adult Naruto

4. Adult Sasuke

5. Kaguya

6. Momoshiki (Yes he is stronger than Madara)

7. Hamura

For now I can think of 7. But later as the series progresses. Madara won't even be top 10

Yes Adult Naruto and Sasuke Did surpass Final form Madara individually by a long shot

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Lol at Isshiki beating any form of Madara

Someone much weaker than Full power Isshiki Destroyed a Much Much Stronger version of Naruto and Sasuke

This is Madara from a far weaker Sasuke

Lol Isshiki isn't even needed. Jigen spitestomps Madara

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@gogito: bruhh madara with just one rinnegan was said to be near hagrommo in power.

3 eyed is deff above him

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Madara Destroys him.

I find it funny people still salty by the fact Isshiki who they thought was going to bring them to the promise land getting negged by Pre-Prime Kaguya.

Madara is comparable to Revived Kaguya who is more powerful than Kaguya was in the past.

I know people are going to cry about KAguya off guard attack and then try and use poor argument about BZ against Madara which are two different things since BT never killed Madara...while Kaguya nearly killed Isshiki at his prime. We have to acknowledge that Pre-prime Kaguya wasn't that much weaker than Isshiki if she was able to nearly kill him with her attack.

We can conclude it wasn't all Killing Ash Bone other wise Isshiki would be turned to Dust not torn in half like he was.

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I would side with Madara. Though if he tried to fight Isshiki in Pure H2H he would probably get destroyed

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Isshiki wins unless IT can affect him

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Lol to people who said Madara can beat Isshiki.

Kaguya only strike him from the back dosen't mean they fought, she just sucker punch him when he was completely off-guard.

If you want to consistently scale it like that then Black Zetsu is MUCH stronger then Madara who also strike him in the back lmao.

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#22  Edited By MyGod000

@infintegod12 said:

Lol to people who said Madara can beat Isshiki.

Kaguya only strike him from the back dosen't mean they fought, she just sucker punch him when he was completely off-guard.

If you want to consistently scale it like that then Black Zetsu is MUCH stronger then Madara who also strike him in the back lmao.

Zetsu Didn't Kill Madara, Nor did he injure him.

Just like Weak Obito stabbed Madara...but like I said it wasn't damage at all. Kaguya Damaged Isshiki so there powers are not that far apart. Naruto also Caught Kaguya off Guard with the Greatest Jutsu ever stated by the Databooks yet it didn't kill her nor did it brought her to death.

No one said she was stronger than Him because she stabbed him in the back...she is stronger than him because SHE ATE A WHOLE GOD TREE FRUIT AFTER SHE STABBED HIM IN THE BACK GETTING MASSIVE BOOST IN POWER.

Edit: Revived Kaguya>>Kaguya that ate the Earth Chakra Fruit>>Pre-earth Chakra Fruit Kaguya.

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@gogito:

Okay how is he much weaker??

Like you're only going by strength without the logic or a proper analysis. How can say Jigen destroys Madara without backing it up? Jigen is only a vessel and he's weak against Opponents like Madara because he cannot last long due to his durability. If you scroll to what I told your boy or alt acc(idk you two seem to commenting around the same time which is oddly suspicious). Aside from that if you read up to what I said about Naruto and Sasuke you'll understand why Madara wins this

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@gogito:

I understand this is your opinion but this is a shit list

1. Isshiki

2.Hagoromo

3. Adult Naruto

4. Adult Sasuke

5. Kaguya

6. Momoshiki (Yes he is stronger than Madara)

7. Hamura

For now I can think of 7. But later as the series progresses. Madara won't even be top 10(that's less likely to happen. Kishimoto made Madara way too OP that he had no real way to put him down)

Yes Adult Naruto and Sasuke Did surpass Final form Madara individually by a long shot(there is no evidence that Naruto and Sasuke surpassed Juubidara we still dont know how powerful he really is)

1. Kaguya

2. Hagaromo or Madara(more likely)

3. Isshiki

4. Haruma

5. Momoshiki

6. Naruto and Sasuke

Isshiki Hagaromo Momoshiki Naruto and Sasuke have shown no Real feats that surpassed Kaguya.

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@mygod000: Never said anything about killing

then your Argument doesn't make Sense, and is a poor Argument Because you compared what Kaguya did to Isshiki to Black Zetsu and Madara.

Kaguya Nearly Killed Isshiki.

Zetsu didn't Nearly Kill Madara at all.

so...How is that even Remotely Comparable or Logical argument? I was just bringing up the actual Arguments why Isshiki loses.

Pre Earth Fruit Kaguya back Stabbed him so we can agree That she was Weaker than Isshiki...but what About Kaguya after she ate the Earth chakra Fruit? You have nothing to prove that she is weaker than Isshiki when a much weaker Version of her nearly killed him.

Revived Kaguya is actually the strongest Version of Kaguya...after people of the Earth All gained Chakra and trained and increased the power over time to make it more powerful.

Madara is at least 50% Revived Kaguya who is massively more powerful than the other Kaguya. This is why Madara is stronger because he is around a more powerful Version of Kaguya and stated by Hagoromo to be getting like it mother was in the past. The only Kaguya Hagoromo knows is Post earth Fruit Kaguya who is massively than Kaguya Isshiki was paired with.

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#27  Edited By InfinteGod12

@mygod000:

We don't know how strong Kaguya was before eating the fruit, definitely not weak whatsoever.

If we're going by Kaguya after eating the god fruit where she became unimaginably powerful, stronger then Isshiki you apprise, than how can Naruto & Sasuke in their teens hang around her level meanwhile Isshiki defeated them in their prime very casually in a much weaker body? It cant be because she was holding back because later on if it wasn't for Obito & Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke would be reduced to nothing.

Again, how can Madara defeat Isshiki in his true form? The dude is undeniably powerful, but two teens that share half-power he has as a whole were able to give him trouble even when he gained the Rinne-Sharingan.

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#28  Edited By MyGod000

@infintegod12 said:

@mygod000:

We don't know how strong Kaguya was before eating the fruit, definitely not weak whatsoever.

If we're going by Kaguya after eating the god fruit where she became unimaginably powerful, stronger then Isshiki you apprise, than how can Naruto & Sasuke in their teens hang around her level meanwhile Isshiki defeated them in their prime very casually in a much weaker body? It cant be because she was holding back because later on if it wasn't for Obito & Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke would be reduced to nothing.

Again, how can Madara defeat Isshiki in his true form? The dude is undeniably powerful, but two teens that share half-power he has as a whole were able to give him trouble even when he gained the Rinne-Sharingan.

We don't know how strong Kaguya was before eating the fruit, definitely not weak whatsoever.

If we're going by Kaguya after eating the god fruit where she became unimaginably powerful, stronger then Isshiki you apprise, than how can Naruto & Sasuke in their teens hang around her level meanwhile Isshiki defeated them in their prime very casually in a much weaker body? It cant be because she was holding back because later on if it wasn't for Obito & Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke would be reduced to nothing.

This just proves that people don't pay attention at all and only look at what they want to look it.

It was literally stated to you by Zetsu who was narratively telling you every time KAguya Shifts dimensions she losses a massively amount of chakra and gets weaker.

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It literally Stated that the Jutsu requires a massive amounts of Chakra to shift dimensions like that. It was literally stated she was trying to absorb their chakra not kill them only after she started getting too weak did she attempt to kill them.

My presupposition is that HAgoromo+Hamura needed to team up to defeat the Juubi.

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Kaguya had this after she Took the Chakra Fruit from earth From Isshiki.

Kaguya that Had the Chakra Fruit is more powerful than Isshiki Because she had Earths chakra in that Fruit which was stated by Momoshiki and Kinishiki to be a level 16 on a scale, with 10 being Abnormal.

We can infer that Earth Chakra>>>>>All other Planets Chakra. The Holy tree as stated by the Manga and Databook had been Absorbing Earth chakra for 1000+ years Before Hagoromo and Hamura Stopped it and sealed it away.

Naruto is only half of Hagoromo's powers. While The Juubi is far above Half of Hagoromo's powers and is nearly as powerful as Hagoromo+Hamura together.

Again, how can Madara defeat Isshiki in his true form? The dude is undeniably powerful, but two teens that share half-power he has as a whole were able to give him trouble even when he gained the Rinne-Sharingan.

It was their Abilities that Gave him trouble. Madara already stated he was toying with them the whole time at the end and then said he was going to get serious.

Before that Madara literally stated he has both of their powers combined.

Madara full power is comparable to Revived Kaguya who is way above Kaguya that Ate the chakra Fruit.

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@infintegod12:

there Adult Forms has no feats above their teen forms. Just people assuming because they are old they are more powerful.

so far all we have are statements that Naruto and Sasuke are Maybe continental level...and the manga which states that Naruto+Momoshiki powers together=Multi country level destruction.

All of that wouldn't even put them above the Juubi which is already stated to be able to do continental level DC casually and is stated to have planet level of power from earth.

Madara literally did two Planetary attacks casually with a smile on his face.

I don't see Adult Naruto being too much stronger than his Teen Form...and Their is nothing that put Adult Naruto above Ashura Mode Naruto.

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Isshiki slaughters.

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Isshiki wins unless IT can affect him

Madara uses IT.

He auto shrinks everything around him, he doesnt nessasirly need to see it. He can shrink Limbo so it's still ninjutsu. Madara has to go up to the moon to use it. Jigen can seal him and restrain him rather easily. Its also easier for him to bfr madara much quicker than Madara to use it. Their's a massive speed difference between the 2.

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#32  Edited By InfinteGod12

@mygod000: While I got to admit you made solid points it still didn't change much how Naruto & Sasuke during the era of 4th Ninja War can go against the likes of people like Kaguya and Jubidara. .

It literally Stated that the Jutsu requires a massive amounts of Chakra to shift dimensions like that. It was literally stated she was trying to absorb their chakra not kill them only after she started getting too weak did she attempt to kill them.

Kaguya´s goal at first prior of revival was to reclaim her chakra from Naruto and Sasuke after scrutinizing their enormous level, later she chooses to kill them because Naruto was deemed dangerous and a threat by Black Zetsu and suggest her to eliminate him after pursing Kaguya in the default world, not because of chakra drainage from traveling through dimensions, even if that was the case she can restore her depleted chakra almost instantly.

It was their Abilities that Gave him trouble. Madara already stated he was toying with them the whole time at the end and then said he was going to get serious.

Madara never claimed this, he was wary of Naruto and Sasuke the whole time since their arrival with Hagomoro chakra and took them seriously. The whole time he was being careful around them before casting Infinite Tsukiyomi.

there Adult Forms has no feats above their teen forms. Just people assuming because they are old they are more powerful.

No that is a fact. It has been exhibit more than once Naruto & Sasuke is stronger than their younger counterpart.

Adult Naruto now has more control and a better understanding of his so6p powers, improved taijutsu, mastered chakra control, immeasurable strength & speed, + having Kurama completed as a whole meanwhile Sasuke can do more variety of things with his Rinnegan then what he did before, all 2 of them surpassed their War selfs. The reason why you don't see them being destructive or using hax because they´re fighting recent opponents that absorbs jutsu or extract chakra resorting them to use taijutsu and subtle jutsu´s.

While I can see why Kaguya is stronger after eating the god fruit, I still not convinced of Madara being stronger.

Remember surprise attack doesn't automatically mean Pre God Tree Kaguya>>Past Isshiki, if that was the case then Amado might´ve said Kaguya is stronger then her partner not saying he was off-guard.

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@gogito said:
@manofthunderbolts65 said:

Isshiki wins unless IT can affect him

@cyberblades22 said:

Madara uses IT.

He auto shrinks everything around him, he doesnt nessasirly need to see it. He can shrink Limbo so it's still ninjutsu. Madara has to go up to the moon to use it. Jigen can seal him and restrain him rather easily. Its also easier for him to bfr madara much quicker than Madara to use it. Their's a massive speed difference between the 2.

just asking but why do you feel to need to jump in and reply to anyone who disagrees with your opinion? Is it because you hate Madara? Even worse because I implied Isshiki wins unless a certain hax could affect him

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#34  Edited By gogito

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@gogito: bruhh madara with just one rinnegan was said to be near hagrommo in power.

3 eyed is deff above him

Bruh......

The same Madara that got blitzed by someone with only Half of Hagoromo's Power. Does this makes sense to you

Btw Isshiki>>>>Hagoromo. so I don't see your point anyways

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@gogito: I mean you wear the medal of ignorance already

So congrats

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@gogito: I mean you wear the medal of ignorance already

So congrats

Even though thats the other way around. At least you agree I also have medals.. so thanks

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@gogito: yeah you cannot backup what you say

And you contradict yourself alot you seem to lack the knowledge and logic behind Madara's power and character but literally down playing him I literally stated above why Madara more likely wins in a difficult fight but Hey if you wanna assume and state your opinion that's fine I'll do the same with mine

Next time please do your research before making claims

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Yall funny ☠

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Isshiki Destroys Madara Negg Diff

Isshiki Already destroyed a Far Stronger version of the Duo While Madara was struggling with a far weaker version of the Duo that was just learning how to use their new abilities

Isshiki Shrinks Everything Madara throws at him Including Limbo and CT since those aren't Living things. Limbo was stated in databooks to be Ninjutsu's.

Isshiki is Far Superior than Madara in Strength, Taijutsu, Speed and Hax and Etc. Madara would get Bodied in H2H with Isshiki.

Isshiki was so Powerful to the Point that even Kurama told Naruto to stop Fighting him before he goes for the kill. And as much as Kurama cares for Naruto in Death Situations, He never said like this To anyone Including Kaguya and Madara. Isshiki's Power was so terrifying to the point that Sasuke even said that he is willing to sacrifice his life to Konoha village.

The series is trying to tell us that Isshiki is the strongest Antagonist in the whole Franchise. But Madara fans will still be ignorant and not pay attention to the story.

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@gogito: this is what you call Research?

Are you retarded or brain dead? Because it seems you're being biased asf

Isshiki Destroys Madara Negg Diff(on what claim)

Isshiki Already destroyed a Far Stronger version of the Duo While Madara was struggling with a far weaker version of the Duo that was just learning how to use their new abilities(they were alot stronger but you didnt read what I said about them above which I will say again

Naruto and Sasuke may be more powerful but they ain't durable or have that same stamina to keep up with their 4th great war versions.)

Isshiki Shrinks Everything Madara throws at him Including Limbo and CT since those aren't Living things. Limbo was stated in databooks to be Ninjutsu's.(Limbo isnt a ninjutsu at all No Rinnegan technique is a jutsu that uses Chakra now I know you're full of shit)

Isshiki is Far Superior than Madara in Strength, Taijutsu, Speed and Hax and Etc. Madara would get Bodied in H2H with Isshiki.(again what claim? Your fantasy bullshit?)

Isshiki was so Powerful to the Point that even Kurama told Naruto to stop Fighting him before he goes for the kill. And as much as Kurama cares for Naruto in Death Situations, He never said like this To anyone Including Kaguya and Madara. Isshiki's Power was so terrifying to the point that Sasuke even said that he is willing to sacrifice his life to Konoha village.(so you're going by speculation, ok let's use that logic Kurama was never around when Kaguya or Madara was fighting their six paths modes and even till when Madara destroyed the Shinobi Alliance and attempted to summon Kurama. Kurama freaked out when found out it was Madara and when madara came back to life he was also scared of his blood because it was the same blood that controlled him)

The series is trying to tell us that Isshiki is the strongest Antagonist in the whole Franchise. But Madara fans will still be ignorant and not pay attention to the story.(the only one being ignorant right now is you. You state fallacies and this one of your biggest ones. Isshiki is currently the strongest antagonist in the plot the series isnt telling you he is the strongest or all time by that logic The series for JoJo is telling me Kira is stronger than DIO because he easily defeated Jotaro. As I stated before DO YOUR RESEARCH AND QUIT BEING BIASED.

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#46  Edited By Gokukid2005

1 eyed Madara got blitzed by Base SPSM Naruto

1 eyed Shinju Madara got blitzed by Rinnegan Sasuke

2 eyed Shinju Madara couldn't kill SPSM Naruto's clones

3 eyed Shinju Madara was unable to free himself from Zetsu's paralysis, while SPSM Naruto freed himself

But somehow people still think he is a threat to Adult Naruto and Sasuke or Momoshiki or Isshiki :/

Bias for a character shouldn't affect your decision

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Now I know this is your alt

We need to keep in mind Madara was NEVER fighting those 2 Seriously and the reason why he could not escape was because of plot. Also Madara was done playing around when IT ended he was gonna fight them Seriously but Kishimoto fucked him over with plot zetsu. Also Yes Juubidara is a God level threat to Those 4 because he affected an entire planet not to mention RinneSharingan Madara is currently featless because we do not know how truly powerful he is dual Rinnegan Madara would pose a great challenge for Isshiki but that fight can go either way if Madara isnt taking Isshiki seriously which is a big problem with Madara hes abit Arrogant like Aizen Sousuke from Bleach and Frieza from DBZ. Also being biased will never help but I understand you on this part.

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@infintegod12: no Seriously madara was pulling a Sephiroth of toying and not taking his opponents seriously. Hes literally super arrogant when opponents are weaker than him

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#50  Edited By Saxz

@gogito:

He needs to see what he shrinks, this was stated on panel.