Isshiki (Boruto) vs EOS Aizen (Bleach)

This topic is locked from further discussion.

Avatar image for queengoddess
QueenGoddess

1160

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Poll Isshiki (Boruto) vs EOS Aizen (Bleach) (54 votes)

Aizen wins 52%
isshiki wins 48%
 • 
Avatar image for queengoddess
QueenGoddess

1160

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Anime/Manga feats
Anime/Manga feats

vs

Anime/Manga feats
Anime/Manga feats

Avatar image for godlike_warrior
Godlike_Warrior

3300

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Aizen Gets his Reiatsu out to start fighting but Isshiki dies from the pressure alone lol

Avatar image for epichotflame
EpicHotFlame

9242

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Isshiki one shots

Avatar image for heykorby
heykorby

569

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#4 heykorby  Online

Aizen won’t die to any of his attacks.

Avatar image for aggrape
aggrape

2102

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Isshiki can't even get Aizen off his chair.

Avatar image for flowing
Flowing

152

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Aizen will always win 🤷

Avatar image for mike_strike10
Mike_Strike10

4291

Forum Posts

2482

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

Aizen Gets his Reiatsu out to start fighting but Isshiki dies from the pressure alone lol

Avatar image for gilateen
Gilateen

10911

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Isshiki>>Teen SOSP Sasuke>>Aizen.

Do the math

Avatar image for undre
Undre

9243

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Muken aizen>>>monster>>>husk soul king>>>>all of naruto

Avatar image for ilyas97
Ilyas97

2506

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Aizen dogwalks the overrated fooder.

Avatar image for deactivated-6488abe71c145
deactivated-6488abe71c145

4873

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Weaker Naruto chars one shot

Avatar image for king_isshiki
King_Isshiki

2923

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Isshiki stomps the verse.

Avatar image for rdcdesmond
RDCDesmond

11593

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#13  Edited By RDCDesmond

Isshiki can physically dog walk Aizen.

Fighting with weapons against him, Isshiki will try to shrink it and if that doesn’t work he will just BFR his Sword into another dimension unless aizen can resummon it.

Not sure if we can truly say Monster Aizen or Eos Aizen scales to The Blanks feat from MoN movie. Which is where God tier AP comes from. And large planet lv. But for manga since we obviously don’t see the planets moving to each other, you can just multiply earth GBE x 2 for earth (human world earth) and soul society (soul society earth) due to soul king husk ap scaling to their GBE keeping them at their positions.

Ichigo scales because he bisected SK Ywach twice, one being off guard n being fooled by Aizen KS, the second when Uryu arrow neutralized SK Ywach.

In speed scaling / reactions, perception yeah, but in AP EoS Aizen didn’t really damage SK Ywach to put him in that tier. Unless the anime shows us otherwise.

Avatar image for uchihaghost
uchihaghost

5765

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@rdcdesmond: @gilateen:

Isshiki can't really hurt Aizen

> BFR wont work cuz Aizen can open a portal

> physical attacks (kicks, punches, rods) all healed cuz healing + immortality

> Aizen has stamina to outlast

> KS is a thing that isshiki showed no counter against.

Avatar image for abbottforpres
AbbottforPres

381

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Isshiki is trash. Madara would have a better shot with his Limbo clones, because Aizen doesn’t have any defense against it.

Avatar image for mcu-defender333
MCU-Defender333

4781

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#16  Edited By MCU-Defender333

Not sure why Isshiki couldn't pull a win by immobilising Aizen with a few dozen rods then sealing him.

That said, he has no real counter for KS. He outstats Aizen by a fair margin but Aizen has the better hax

Avatar image for rdcdesmond
RDCDesmond

11593

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@uchihaghost:

Why not ? Aizen can still take damage and bleed from physical attacks and piercing. Immortality doesnt prevent you from getting outclassed/out powered in a fight. Just prevents you from dying from attacks that would otherwise fatally wound you. And how fast is his regen speed to say he would just regen spam in seconds after Isshiki stops playing and launches some chakra blasts ?

You can argue Isshiki, being a advanced alien can probably alter himself out of the effects of KS which effects the five senses by just controlling his Chakra Lv. But yeah this is a big maybe on my part you could be right.

But if he had knowledge he can just BFR Aizen weapon into another dimension. You’re telling me Aizen is finding it that easy ? Especially when Isshiki can change his world coordinates. Beat Aizen physically, set traps of chakra rods around like Ywach did ichigo, pierced chakra rods pour Isshiki superior chakra into Aizen body, enabling him to move, then Isshiki seals him in pot.

Avatar image for uchihaghost
uchihaghost

5765

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#18  Edited By uchihaghost

@rdcdesmond: yea immortality doesn't stop a character from being outclassed, but if the character doesn't have a way around immortality and regen then yea its a problem, isshiki's only way around that is bfr which Aizen can return from like sasuke.

2. I think naturally isshiki should have tp resistance against atleast sharingan level genjutsu, but fact is, he has no feats (and i'm more of a feats and logical scaling guy) and neither byakugan nor his doujutsu have statement or scaling for tp defence.

3. EOS Aizen merged with his blade, thats how he put ywhach in KS without a blade.

4. I'm saying Aizen hard counters isshiki.

And why i think Aizen wins is cuz he can at the end of the day outlast isshiki, isshiki has low stamina/life force, Aizen has shit ton of energy for a prolonged fight till isshiki's body give out.

Avatar image for kingogkings777
kingogkings777

9784

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Fighting with weapons against him, Isshiki will try to shrink it and if that doesn’t work he will just BFR his Sword into another dimension unless aizen can resummon it.

Go read chapter 421 of Bleach and then go read 683 of Bleach.

Avatar image for aggrape
aggrape

2102

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Aizen can steal life force using hado 99 yet people still think Isshiki wins for whatever reason

Avatar image for jieldre
Jieldre

1833

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

A battle where "Genjutsu GG" actually applicable.

Aizen wins

Avatar image for rdcdesmond
RDCDesmond

11593

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#22  Edited By RDCDesmond

@uchihaghost:

True but Isshiki doesn’t need to BFR him as the only option of winning

He can use chakra rods after Aizen is pummeled

His regen speed is off dangai ichigo attack we don’t know his regen speed against much higher tiers as he didn’t regen his arm back in Ywach fight right away

Chakra Rods pour Isshiki Superior AP chakra into Aizen and restricts Aizen movements

Traps of AP still work

If we treat KS like a genjutsu illusion then Isshiki just needs to control his chakra lvs to break the illusion over his five senses

Isshiki starts fight with aizen saying words then Isshiki disappears to Aizen sight and doesn’t notice Isshiki is shrank by Aizen foot who enlarges behind him and begins to deliver barrages of physical hits constantly and then chakra blasts him. Only to ultimately be restricted with chakra rods from the ground. And then sealed in a pot.

No Caption Provided

His black cubes will also just disrupt KS and screw over Aizen own senses in a UNO card

Avatar image for deactivated-63837219937e9
deactivated-63837219937e9

219

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Ks and immortality seal the deal for Aizen.

Avatar image for ninjarizer
NinjaRizer

7324

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Kyoka Suigetsu genuinely makes this a stomp, regardless of whether the stats can be argued to be equal or not through scaling methods.

Although obviously I think Bleach God tiers >>> Naruto/Boruto God tiers in AP due to the narrative and general scaling/feats, you need someone with visual prowess to even contest Aizen because of KS.

Isshiki dies, and we know EoS Aizen catching him off guard with an attack will do him far more harm than no tree Kaguya did.

Avatar image for king_isshiki
King_Isshiki

2923

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Isshiki sneezes the verse.

Avatar image for rdcdesmond
RDCDesmond

11593

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#27  Edited By RDCDesmond

@ninjarizer: KS is really just a A/B class genjutsu in naruto verse. Something even basic sharingan is capable of. It essentially is just effecting the Five senses. But raising / controlling your chakra lv in your brain nerves in Naruto can offset the effect any said energy has on your five senses. So if KS effects five senses Isshiki riles up his Chakra Control with the energy in his brain to free himself from the controlling of Aizen technique. He also took control of Human Jigen brain, although physically. We can still say he has some experience with brain nerve control, five senses.

If we say god tiers of bleach scale to 2 x planet lv due to scaling to two planets gbe i would say only SK, SK Ywach and True Bankai ichigo scale to this. Aizen never damaged SK Ywach and none of them have overpowered SK only cut his Durability which isn’t equal to his AP And is not a fighter. Unlike SK Ywach who is a fighter. And ichigo scales since he cut him twice.

Avatar image for justberad
JustBeRad

1202

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Isshiki seals Aizen away

Avatar image for akumu
Akumu

1554

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Aizen ez

Avatar image for raziel2014
Raziel2014

5225

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Aizen stomps horribly

Avatar image for raziel2014
Raziel2014

5225

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#31  Edited By Raziel2014
@rdcdesmond said:

@ninjarizer: KS is really just a A/B class genjutsu in naruto verse. Something even basic sharingan is capable of. It essentially is just effecting the Five senses. But raising / controlling your chakra lv in your brain nerves in Naruto can offset the effect any said energy has on your five senses. So if KS effects five senses Isshiki riles up his Chakra Control with the energy in his brain to free himself from the controlling of Aizen technique. He also took control of Human Jigen brain, although physically. We can still say he has some experience with brain nerve control, five senses.

If we say god tiers of bleach scale to 2 x planet lv due to scaling to two planets gbe i would say only SK, SK Ywach and True Bankai ichigo scale to this. Aizen never damaged SK Ywach and none of them have overpowered SK only cut his Durability which isn’t equal to his AP And is not a fighter. Unlike SK Ywach who is a fighter. And ichigo scales since he cut him twice.

nice job applying Naruto rules to Bleach, KS cannot be broken by using Genjutsu methods because its not a Genjutsu there is no charkra messing with the enemy brain. KS is a soul based hypnosis, if you could use Genjutsu logic and apply it to KS it would of been broken with ease long ago. the medium of genjutus is the charkra itself however the medium of KS is on aizen himself/Zanpakuto what do you think is harder to remove a energy like charkra that can be remove by a simple tap from a colleague or flexing and even pain or something on the hands of your enemy/Zanpakuto.

KS can last over 100 years as seen by the vizards being affected, it can also stay active even after switching Physical bodies because all shingami used fake Human bodies including Vizards and its obvious as KS affects the soul which is why entering or leaving Physical bodies cannot break it. Genjutsu is a mere energy control in comparison to KS, Genjutsu = using charkra of your enemy controlling that to affect their brain in the grand scheme of things this is the lowest of the lowest type of Illusion in all of fiction.

the only genjutus that has a reach a somewhat similar level to KS is Infinite tsukuyomi but even that cannot affect souls/dead people, KS controls the enemy life in real time while infinite Tsukuyomi controls it in a dream state so KS is still superior to IT the only thing IT has over KS is AOE but even then is due to the projection in the moon if Aizen can show 1billion people KS and they see it well the ritual has taken place.

SK Held up not only SS, Earth and Hueco mundo but also Dangai and everything connected to it which is many more worlds as well/realms, , just 1 arm of the SK is enough to hold these worlds from collapsing much less the entire body.

weakness that exist for Genjutsu

1. Pain

2. Flexing of energy

3. Removal of Charkra affecting your brain

4. Tap from Ninja/another charkra source/Bijuu

5. Death/Physical Death

6. Time

Weakness that exist for Kyokai Suigetsu

1. Aizen own Zanpakuto -> touching the blade before aizen activates it would then null its effect however doing so is easier said than done.

2. Requires sight to even affect the user, you can say this is the medium in which KS injects into its enemies.

Pros KS has over Naruto Genjutsu

1. Affects the Soul

2. Its permanent/so far even 100 years of time did nothing

3. has no energy weakness meaning it cannot be fluctuated or tap out like Genjutsu nor can it be affected by external forced like a Bijuu or a teammate

4. can be activated instantly once the ritual or person in question has seen it once before can be 1 person or 100 or 1000

Avatar image for bbvgg
BbVgg

627

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Aizen is magnitudes above the power in the naruto World

Avatar image for thenamelessone
thenamelessone

12355

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

@raziel2014:just to educate you a bit on Naruto as you're clearly nothing more then a novice on Naruto knowledge , Genjutsu works on a spiritual level

chakra is present even in souls one way or another and in non physical bodies and such , for example Kurama's non physical soul inside Naruto is consistantly pumping him chakra even though due to non physical natures The Nine Tails cannot have any kind of biological chakra networks as he is a spiritual entity

The Naruto Shippuden Manga : The Fourth Great Shinobi War Arc
The Naruto Shippuden Manga : The Fourth Great Shinobi War Arc

and finally , to debunk the entire premise , we have seen souls Genjutsu other souls inside inner consciounesses and other such things

The Naruto Shippuden Manga and The Naruto Shippuden Databook

so this kinda ends the debates as there are countless examples of why Genjutsu works on people without any form of chakra control or the Ability to combined their physical and spiritual energies , we also have point blank confirmation sasuke can control the spitits, like the one of Kurama inside Naruto

The Official Naruto Shuppuden Dadabook
The Official Naruto Shuppuden Dadabook

Genjutsu is generally way too overpowered for planetary shounen like HST/DS/JJK , in its tier of planetary characters and such and in manga , its one of the best mind hax around and no one in bleach even has two or three mental hax resistance layers while random jounins have tens of them

No Caption Provided

chakra of the head being controlled is headcanon , made by an outdated statement from Jiraiya which was proven to be wrong the same scene where Itachi proved disrupting your chakra and all that did nothing to the Itachi's little finger , Itachi bypassed the " weakness " by raising his finger , the statement js bullshit as no one has passive chakra flowing in their head

all humans don't have chakra , all humans never have had chakra , they need to build chakra using their stamina , this is what they refer to as chakra control , the ability to accurately turn your chakra into stamina is what chakra control is , so tell me this , why would one need to have things such as chakra control if they always had chakra and didn't need to build it , Stamina in this context is the physical and spiritual energies that are present in a Shinobi , look at the line at the right side of the Diagram , Spiritual and Body Energy being mixed is basically the release of chakra , as you clearly see , The stamina vial is hundred perfect filled here and is connected to Taijutsu and chakra , its clearly the Stamina-Taijutsu connection is direct , while the stamina have two pipelines coming from its sector and both are mixed and they are stated to be spiritual and Physical Energies ,meaning that the connection of Spiritual and Physical Energy is required for the production of chakra , your evidence on every single being including non intelligent ones such as Animals knowing how to mix their spiritual and physical Energies which is a requirement for the production of chakra?

The Original Naruto Manga : Chunin Examinations arc
The Original Naruto Manga : Chunin Examinations arc

as this scan shows us , In taijutsu you can just opt to use the specific energies you have , likely Physical Energy as in stamina to combat while for Ninjutsu you specefically have to construct chakra before using the Jutsu , Pipelines and diagrams clearly demonstrate how the Stamina goes from hundred Perfect to seventy perfect as the chakra is being built , take a close look , as the energies move to the chakra box , they mix and the amount of stamina which in this context is Spiritual and Physical Energies decreased rapidly , because they mixed and created The chakra at the first place and Naruto trying to create Chakra and using his chakra control , which only shinobis have , is why the Physical and Spiritual Energies combined and produced chakra at the first place

The Original Naruto Manga : Chunin Examinations Arc
The Original Naruto Manga : Chunin Examinations Arc

This is down right named by the characters that you have to turn the stamina into chakra for the jutsus to work and this is reffered to as , you know , you love it , chakra control and this is why Sakura has the best chakra control because she knows how much stamina must be turned into chakra for certain techniques to be perfectly Performed without Overprodiction of Chakra or Under production of chakra , meaning that to build chakra you need chakra control , and chakra control is something specific to just the Shinobis .

The Original Naruto Manga : Chunin Examinations Arc
The Original Naruto Manga : Chunin Examinations Arc

and this scan whows , The chakra is built , from the middle of the body , the spiritual and physical Energies combine and create chakra in the part of the body that is just about to perform a Jutsu , for example in a fireball jutsu the chakra is produced and arranged in the network around the mouth , look at the stark colour difference between the networks around the mouth and the networks around the brain for example

The Original Naruto Manga : Chunin Examinations Arc
The Original Naruto Manga : Chunin Examinations Arc

but maybe you don't see the chakra gather in his mouth right? here is the scan from a coloured manga , which clearly gives chakra his own special colour and functioning and we clearly see the difference between empty and filled networks

The Original Naruto Manga : Chunin Examinations Arc
The Original Naruto Manga : Chunin Examinations Arc

so as you can see via the plethora of evidence above , you don't exactly possess chakra till you start mixing your spiritual and physical Energies to create the chakra and now to add on , finally , Your biology argument is completely incorrect

anyway this is a mismatch in favour of Aizen , as he stomps Boruto era and this thread has been made many times.