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#1 Posted by jay_z94 (8316 posts) - - Show Bio

Looking at his feats, I don't see why he couldn't be.

He has deflected gunfire and tagged speedsters like Kid Flash. He's also stated to have Superhuman speed.

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#2 Edited by deactivated-5c443c2a6994d (494 posts) - - Show Bio

Combat speed, he’s much, much lower. In terms of reaction time unless we’re using electricity timing Mach 1000+ Spider man, I would argue he might based on the feats I have seen for Peter (which are impressive for sure, but Slade can compete IMO). Slade managing to jump in several feet, and then swing his swords 8 consecutive times (i.e he cuts a few bullets, then proceeds to the next stroke/swing to cut a few other bullets when they’re feet or inches from him, and so on) with such accuracy and precision that he cut barrages of machine gunfire at the same time out of the air all the while dismembering guards, is pretty damn impressive. I might be missing something tho. I’m just going off the bullet timing showings I’ve seen for Peter from BlackSpidey.

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#3 Edited by KrleAvenger (26070 posts) - - Show Bio

And when was tagging a speedster impressive? DC writers who worked on the Flash already stated that they rarely surpass the speed of sound. So unless there is some context, measurements or us talking about evil speedsters in particular, that feat is not that impressive at all. Cutting bullets is like mid-high thing for street levelers. That doesn't put Slade on Peter's level as is still much slower combat speed wise, reaction time speed wise and traveling speed wise. Slade is still on the same level as Captain America, Deadpool, Wolverine and Black Panther, not Spider-man.

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#4 Posted by deactivated-5c443c2a6994d (494 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: If the cutting bullets thing is directed at me (might not be, I said if), it’s more the manner Slade did it. A lot of mid street levelers can just cut a few bullets with a stroke, I agree.

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#5 Posted by Morpheus_ (34486 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#6 Posted by King-Ragnar (4128 posts) - - Show Bio

Obviously not.

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#7 Posted by Jko1 (3066 posts) - - Show Bio

No

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#8 Posted by KrleAvenger (26070 posts) - - Show Bio

@lanternbatman: The only thing I saw in your post is something related BlackSpidey and Mach 100. So it's not.

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#9 Posted by deactivated-5bd0d99b6c6f7 (1676 posts) - - Show Bio

Hell no... He's impressive, but nowhere near my boy Peter Parker....

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#10 Posted by KingCrimson (5632 posts) - - Show Bio

@lanternbatman: can I see that feat for Slade? Or can you give an issue number? I’d be interested in seeing it.

OT: what are Parker’s best speed feats?

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#11 Posted by TheKinfing (11783 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at Mach 1 Speedster.

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#12 Posted by Tenguswordsman (1886 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#13 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27682 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah.

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5c443c2a6994d (494 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingcrimson: I’ll post it when I get on my laptop in 1-2 hours or so.

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#15 Posted by Supermanforever (8493 posts) - - Show Bio

no

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#16 Posted by Warlockmage (9286 posts) - - Show Bio

he's not even faster than Wolverine... let alone Spider-Man

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#17 Edited by jay_z94 (8316 posts) - - Show Bio

I do like Spider-Man and Wolverine a lot better, but I don't know man.... it seems like Slade's speed gets downplayed here, he has some crazy speed feats. I'm just trying to be objective tbh

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#18 Edited by deactivated-5c443c2a6994d (494 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingcrimson: This is the panel I was referring to, from Deathstroke Vol. 3 #11. It's pretty impressive showing, you could even see artistic blur lines of flourish depicting Slade's speed. The artist confirmed it was bullet-timing on twitter as well, which I can show you if you want.

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I do like Spider-Man and Wolverine a lot better, but I don't know man.... it seems like Slade's speed gets downplayed here, he has some crazy speed feats. I'm just trying to be objective tbh

What combat or travel speed showings of Slade's make you think he is as fast as Peter? I've read all his appearances and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have anything on par with Peter's showings. He's faster than most street levelers granted, but I don't think he is close to Spider-man level.

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#19 Posted by deactivated-5c830d4e319e6 (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

He isn’t.

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#20 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

Hell nah

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#21 Posted by qwertyuiop1998 (250 posts) - - Show Bio

no

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#22 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (5148 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really. He's fast with certain feats but not at his level.

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#23 Posted by KingCrimson (5632 posts) - - Show Bio
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#24 Posted by comic_book_fan (11517 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94: his speed does get downplayed but no spidey is faster and wolverine is too by a little

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#25 Posted by reaverlation (25879 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade is around Wolverine's speed which is slightly below Peter. Yes Peter is faster but not to an overwhelming advantage

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#26 Posted by FullMetalEmprah (4735 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade is fast but he isn't as fast as Spider-Man, he's really impressive as far as most street levelers go however.

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#27 Posted by cdiddyman911 (5537 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think so. Spade is nearing the top of street level in terms of combat and reaction speed, but Peter is on a different level.

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#28 Posted by KrleAvenger (26070 posts) - - Show Bio
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#29 Posted by termiteone4ever (12855 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade is for sure above wolverine but should not be as fast as Spiderman.

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#30 Posted by Eeef (2117 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade is way below Spidey in terms of speed feats.

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#31 Posted by Strider1992 (18501 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade is faster than a lot of people give him credit for but no he's not on par with 616 Spider-man.

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#32 Posted by jay_z94 (8316 posts) - - Show Bio

@lanternbatman: The feat you posted is a good starting point lol, the artist said he was swinging his swords anime-style and cutting bullets in half. I've never seen Spider-Man move at those kinds of speeds.

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#33 Edited by deactivated-5c443c2a6994d (494 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94: How could that possibly be combat speed? Even if it is, that would easily mean Slade has mach 2-3 combat speed, which is a humongous outlier. The word supersonic is tossed out too casually in my opinion. It’s way more insane than just “lol he deflected a bullet therefore combat speed” like I’ve seen some people spew. At best, Slade has supersonic travel speed in short bursts. He’s not constantly supersonic like Peter, and in terms of combat speed, not supersonic at all.

It is a reaction/reflexes showing and that is all. He didn’t constantly move his whole body to perform complex combat related maneuvoues. It’s a simple knee-jerk reaction, and it certainly doesn’t translate to the complexity of combat and it’s combat speed.

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#34 Posted by XLR87T3 (10033 posts) - - Show Bio

@warlockmage: @jay_z94:Batman actually has faster reaction speed feats than Wolverine, so Deathstroke scales from Bats

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#35 Edited by TheArchon (1197 posts) - - Show Bio

@lanternbatman: Why would it be an outlier? It is not his first time doing that. Even Superman was surprised at how fast he was.

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#36 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

What combat speed feats does Spidey even have?

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#37 Posted by BruceRogers (17431 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: When he is really trying, he can move too fast for Daredevil to keep up. Given Matt's own feats of speed, that's saying a lot.

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#38 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: When he is really trying, he can move too fast for Daredevil to keep up. Given Matt's own feats of speed, that's saying a lot.

Yea that's insane and everything, but I was wondering for something more concrete and standalone like Wolverine and Deathstroke's FTE combat speed feats.

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#39 Posted by KrleAvenger (26070 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: Well for the record, he has the highest track record and probably more FTE speed feats than any street leveler, even in modern age. He was also able to move like low level speedster even during his high school days, when his powers were pretty much nothing compared to what he could do Post-Teen. And those are not even his best feats.

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#40 Posted by deactivated-5c443c2a6994d (494 posts) - - Show Bio

@thearchon: Never said it’s an outlier, I only said it’s an outlier if it were combat speed. It’s not.

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#41 Posted by The_Badman (2725 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94: How could that possibly be combat speed? Even if it is, that would easily mean Slade has mach 2-3 combat speed, which is a humongous outlier. The word supersonic is tossed out too casually in my opinion. It’s way more insane than just “lol he deflected a bullet therefore combat speed” like I’ve seen some people spew. At best, Slade has supersonic travel speed in short bursts. He’s not constantly supersonic like Peter, and in terms of combat speed, not supersonic at all.

It is a reaction/reflexes showing and that is all. He didn’t constantly move his whole body to perform complex combat related maneuvoues. It’s a simple knee-jerk reaction, and it certainly doesn’t translate to the complexity of combat and it’s combat speed.

Wait, Spider-man is constantly supersonic in battle?

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#42 Posted by deactivated-5c443c2a6994d (494 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_badman: I think so, at least when fully trying. I remember a few showings on that level, tag Blackspidey2099 if you want to see Peter’s impressive showings, he’s way more knowledgeable than me. But yes, I think he can consistently move in combat at supersonic speeds. The highest end street levelers are on that level.

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#44 Edited by BruceRogers (17431 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: Given that even people like Crossbones have shown FTE combat speed, I dont really consider it that big a deal. Moving too fast for a character with established skill and speed is much better.

Of course, I'm not saying he hasn't moved FTE at all.

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#45 Posted by TheKinfing (11783 posts) - - Show Bio

No Street-Leveler is supersonic in combat. Come on now.

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#46 Posted by somayareece (869 posts) - - Show Bio
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#47 Posted by The_Badman (2725 posts) - - Show Bio

No Street-Leveler is supersonic in combat. Come on now.

That's what I'm thinking as well. Supersonic is like, very very fast. Moving constantly at supersonic speeds in combat sounds outlierish.

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#48 Edited by jay_z94 (8316 posts) - - Show Bio

@xlr87t3: Batman does not have better reaction feats than Wolverine, I am 100% certain of that.

Anyways, scaling like that is such terrible logic. Wolverine has out-sped Spider-Man on occasions but Peter is still faster.

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#49 Edited by deactivated-5c443c2a6994d (494 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94: What are Logan’s reaction showings anyway? I’ve seen very impressive combat speed feats, way above Bruce but his reactions haven’t impressed me and as I’ve heard from multiple people he apparently doesn’t even possess couple bullet timing feats. The best I’ve seen from him is high end arrow timing.

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#50 Posted by jay_z94 (8316 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94: What are Logan’s reaction showings anyway? I’ve seen very impressive combat speed feats, way above Bruce but his reactions haven’t impressed me and as I’ve heard from multiple people he apparently doesn’t even possess couple bullet timing feats. The best I’ve seen from him is high end arrow timing.

Yeah Logan definitely has faster reactions than Batman and also has plenty of laser dodging/FTE feats too.

I don't know what gave you that impression, but Logan has definitely bullet timed.

First of all, it's been straight up mentioned on panel that he has dodged bullets, like here:

And here, even saying it was easy:

Wolverine has a myriad of aim-dodging feats as you probably know but he also has his fair share of bullet timing feats.

Here leaps and saves a couple from gunfire after/as the bullets had been fired:

Here he runs and saves a girl after/as bullets are being fired:

Here he intercepts a sniper round after it's fired:

Here he dodged a bullet from a gun that's right in his face:

Here he blocks the barrel of a gun before the bullet leaves the chamber:

Here he avoids/re-directs gunfire from AIM guards, making them shoot each other:

Very recently in Return of Wolverine issue 1, he dodged a sniper round whilst on a motorcycle. He would have had to evade at the exact moment that the bullet is fired, so this is bullet timing: