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#51 Posted by ourmanuel (11428 posts) - - Show Bio
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#52 Posted by reaverlation (25869 posts) - - Show Bio

Every Bleach vs Naruto thread should be locked

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#53 Posted by UltimateSage (2701 posts) - - Show Bio
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#54 Posted by reaverlation (25869 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatesage: They're cancer caused by usually the same users in every thread

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#55 Posted by ManimalMan (818 posts) - - Show Bio
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#56 Edited by diydeath (2462 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo via scaling is muuuuuch faster.

Mid tier Sternritter were able to dodge light attacks, the captain commander was able to dodge light attacks, yhwach, Ichibei and Mimigi all have casual sub relativistic feats.

And Ichigo is faster than them, he has to be to fight SK Yhwach.

Best feat for speed Naruto has is aim dodging light fang.

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#57 Posted by ourmanuel (11428 posts) - - Show Bio
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#59 Posted by JuzaCloud (3433 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: mods don't even show up like they used to. Or at least I'm missing them. I've seen people tag mods and they rarely show up.

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#60 Posted by ovy7 (2930 posts) - - Show Bio
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#61 Edited by reaverlation (25869 posts) - - Show Bio

@manimalman said:
@reaverlation said:

@ultimatesage: They're cancer caused by usually the same users in every thread

Very true

How about we ban users instead of locking battles?

We should ban the battles so that people who create them, or bump older threads, get banned in the process. I actually made a thread with a Naruto character and a Bleach character against mainstream comics but it didn't get any traction that a Naruto vs Bleach thread would be

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#62 Edited by TableFlips (1 posts) - - Show Bio

1.ichigo

2.ichigo

3.tie

I love how people rarely say its a tie when it comes to these types of battles its usually: A. because they never watched the entire show of both characters. Or B. because they are biased and disliked a character for their quirks. C. they relate more to one character.

The only way someone can actually judge a character is if they somehow can be completely un-biased which means that had to have never watched either show and was only shown feats and scientific facts and did the actual math.

SO, in conclusion, ALL battles are stupid. But its still done and it still happens lol.

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#63 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1365 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Ichigo

2. Ichigo

3. Ichigo w/ merged hollow form

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#64 Edited by EmperorMode (221 posts) - - Show Bio

OT:

1. Ichigo in my imagination

2. Naruto

3. Naruto speed blitzes

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#65 Posted by Gaoron (8867 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Ichigo blitzes

2. Ichigo does it again

3. 50/50, pretty equal to me

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#66 Posted by VineC1993 (230 posts) - - Show Bio

This should be a poll

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#67 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4619 posts) - - Show Bio

If you hold all of the feats from both verses to the same regard.

Ichigo is much faster.

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#68 Posted by FaradaySloth (9418 posts) - - Show Bio

The only form of Naruto that could be up for debate is Six Paths.

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#69 Posted by Undre (3294 posts) - - Show Bio

KCM-lightning speed. BM-Not much faster than KCM. BSM- Same shit as BM he can just access sage chakra.

6 paths- mach 1000 with wank

Bankia ichigo- Mach 500. Masked ichigo mach 1000. VL ichigo mach 15,000. Dangia ichigo mach 100,000.

True shikia ichigo with mask. Mach 300,000. True bankia masked ichigo mach 1,000,000

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#70 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3262 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo is faster than every version of Naruto pre six paths.

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#71 Posted by deactivated-5c9e122a6bc32 (2290 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto is faster.

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#72 Edited by Consciouskeeper (1366 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: agreed.

Ichigo speed can't be accurately assessed.

He is faster than sound but correct me if i am wrong doesn't Naruto near light speed?

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#73 Posted by deactivated-5c9e122a6bc32 (2290 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

KCM-lightning speed. BM-Not much faster than KCM. BSM- Same shit as BM he can just access sage chakra.

6 paths- mach 1000 with wank

Bankia ichigo- Mach 500. Masked ichigo mach 1000. VL ichigo mach 15,000. Dangia ichigo mach 100,000.

True shikia ichigo with mask. Mach 300,000. True bankia masked ichigo mach 1,000,000

Yet you can't post a single feat at Mach 15,000 yet alone 1,000,000

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#74 Posted by Undre (3294 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: its somthing called scaling

Masked ichigo reacted to buto renji. Which is mach 1000

R1 ulqiora can blitzed that same ichigo

R2 ulqiora is even faster

VL blizted R2 ulqiora

Cacoon aizen stronger than VL<<<<<butterfly<<<<<monster aizen

Dangia ichigo a few leagues above monster aizen

True bankia masked ichigo even stronger

Theirs even multipliers for each form

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#75 Posted by deactivated-5c9e122a6bc32 (2290 posts) - - Show Bio
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I ask for feats and I get a bunch of Blah>Blah>Blah

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#76 Posted by deactivated-5c9e122a6bc32 (2290 posts) - - Show Bio

Gave me 1 number (that he didn't even prove) and he "scaled" that number with a bunch of headcanon to mach 1,000,000

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#77 Posted by Undre (3294 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: mimihagi,ichibe and auswählen all feats.

And those clacs are based on multipliers

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#78 Posted by Antonio_1996 (1255 posts) - - Show Bio
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#79 Posted by Aristeaus (1032 posts) - - Show Bio

Yet you can't post a single feat at Mach 15,000 yet alone 1,000,000

So... While I agree that Naruto is faster then Ichigo in general, you can't post feats like that either. Naruto's whole scaling involves around Light Fang, and that was only precog enhanced reaction speed.

Bleach as a whole has more relativistic feats then Naruto does. Even when you ignore the ones that don't have any clear speed indicators ( like negacion ), you still have like 3 from Ywach alone.

But, getting off topic, yeah Naruto is faster.

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#80 Posted by weebbicboi (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

R1, No

R2, Yeah

R3, Naruto blitzes his head off

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#81 Posted by UltraShaggy (838 posts) - - Show Bio

1 : No 2 : No 3 : No

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#82 Edited by Woodward (104 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto world has been relativistic speed since Land of Waves arc. Haku’s mirror jutsu is light-speed is an example. On the other hand, Bleach is only hypersonic. So it’s obvious Naruto is considerably faster.

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#83 Posted by StrongerThanRin (404 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Ichigo ftw

2. Naruto

3. lmao pls stop

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#84 Posted by Wanderez (1774 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, Ichigo all rounds and saying he cant blitz him to oblivion is just generous.

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#85 Edited by deactivated-5c9e122a6bc32 (2290 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus: I scale Naruto off a lot more than LF. For instance Hashirama dodged a enhanced TBB from behind he was also out running it for a while before he dodged it, that same TBB crossed a sea on the same panel so no time passed.

That's at least quad digit mach speeds, and Minato is faster than him, in which BM is comparable, BSM is faster, 8th gate Guy is stated to be 100x the hokage, RSM is above even him.

And by Minato I mean base not KCM.

Edit: I just read the fight again not only did Hashirama react and dodge an attack that crossed an ocean in an instant he was able to summon his gates while doing it so it's a combat speed feat for him, base Madara scales to him, every Madara after that is stronger/faster

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#86 Posted by Helloman (29886 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, this is obvious.

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#87 Posted by ourmanuel (11428 posts) - - Show Bio

@woodward said:

Naruto world has been relativistic speed since Land of Waves arc. Haku’s mirror jutsu is light-speed is an example. On the other hand, Bleach is only hypersonic. So it’s obvious Naruto is considerably faster.

Low quality bait.

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#88 Posted by ourmanuel (11428 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron said:

1. Ichigo blitzes

2. Ichigo does it again

3. 50/50, pretty equal to me

Yeah, this seems pretty accurate if you look at feats from both verses objectively.

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#89 Posted by UltimateSage (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn, undre what happened to mach 6million rukia?lmao

R1: ichigo

R2: naruto

R3: naruto speed blitzes

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#90 Edited by ovy7 (2930 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Strawberry blitzes

R2: Strawberry blitzes

R3: Ramen

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#91 Posted by Skrskr (3500 posts) - - Show Bio
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#93 Posted by Aristeaus (1032 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus: I scale Naruto off a lot more than LF. For instance Hashirama dodged a enhanced TBB from behind he was also out running it for a while before he dodged it, that same TBB crossed a sea on the same panel so no time passed.

That's at least quad digit mach speeds, and Minato is faster than him, in which BM is comparable, BSM is faster, 8th gate Guy is stated to be 100x the hokage, RSM is above even him.

And by Minato I mean base not KCM.

Edit: I just read the fight again not only did Hashirama react and dodge an attack that crossed an ocean in an instant he was able to summon his gates while doing it so it's a combat speed feat for him, base Madara scales to him, every Madara after that is stronger/faster

Yeah, but Bleach has similar types of scaling, and you guys toss it away instantly. Not exactly fair debating, so where is the line drawn?

For example, Liliotto reacted to Ywachs light, which traveled 6 million miles in a instant. Ywach blitzed her.

Mimihagi traveled that same distance in a instant. Ywach reacted to him ( without almighty precog stuff, as he cannot see Mimihagi with it, IIRC )

Shunsui and Nanao avoids Lille's Light attacks.

A bunch of characters in SS arc avoided Negacion.

All of these are examples of LS/FTL, directly, without scaling. With scaling, it puts almost anyone high+ to god tier at LS.

Now, I don't believe most of these characters were even remotely intended to be LS, Because I am not insane. But there is multiple instances of Ywach being that fast, so I would at least put him up there.

So the question remains, where is fair for debating speeds across universes? Fanboi is always going to get in the way here, but maybe we can find at least some common ground for the future 84000 threads Giltean will make.

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#94 Edited by ourmanuel (11428 posts) - - Show Bio

@aristeaus Liltotto And mimihagi are outliers(well, definitely liltotto)

Same with shunsui reacting to lille’s “Light”

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#95 Posted by NarutoUzumakiMedakaKurokami (111 posts) - - Show Bio

1. No

2. Yes.

3. YES.

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#96 Posted by UltimateSage (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh shit, I just read the OP and it Wasn't BSM for r2 as I thought it was.lol

Sooo, ignore all my other posts, this one's right.

R1: Ichigo blitzes

R2: Ichigo

R3: Naruto speed blitzes

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#97 Posted by Aristeaus (1032 posts) - - Show Bio

@aristeaus Liltotto And mimihagi are outliers(well, definitely liltotto)

Same with shunsui reacting to lille’s “Light”

Sorry. You messed up teh tag, didn't see the response.

They cant all be outliers. Lille is actual light. There is on panel explanation of that, IIRC. If Lille's "Light" is not considered natural, why is Light Fang? Light fang only has a non-canon databook describing it. I seem to recall something about it not even being called Light Fang in the original manga, but I could be wrong about that. If we are using Databooks as evidence, then isn't Ichigo LS+ based on scaling as he was Lightning speed in a SS Arc databook, etc.

But the question still stands... There are quite a bit more LS level feats in bleach, and if they are all "outliers", why wouldn't the one or two in Naruto also be considered outliers? Where is the line drawn? Is it going to be a battle of fanbois forever, or can we come to some type of baseline reasoning?

Even if we take just the Ywach Mimihagi feat, and the Light Fang feat, wouldn't Ywach be faster then Naruto then? The distance is FTL for Mimihagi, and Ywach reacted without Precog. Naruto reacted to something that can only be LS at best, and did so with precog.

Trying to be as objective as I can be, I would probably do something like this:

Naruto=Ywach>Sasuke>>>>Kakashi=Aizen=Ichigo?

Balancing out outliers even would put Ywach on Narutos level imo, I believe Sasuke is a tad slower, though may be equal. Kakashis speed is almost entirely scaling, but it was clear he was not at Naruto/Sasuke levels, and same goes for Aizen and Ichigo.

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#99 Posted by KingogKings777 (2067 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel said:

@aristeaus Liltotto And mimihagi are outliers(well, definitely liltotto)

Same with shunsui reacting to lille’s “Light”

Sorry. You messed up teh tag, didn't see the response.

They cant all be outliers. Lille is actual light. There is on panel explanation of that, IIRC. If Lille's "Light" is not considered natural, why is Light Fang? Light fang only has a non-canon databook describing it. I seem to recall something about it not even being called Light Fang in the original manga, but I could be wrong about that. If we are using Databooks as evidence, then isn't Ichigo LS+ based on scaling as he was Lightning speed in a SS Arc databook, etc.

But the question still stands... There are quite a bit more LS level feats in bleach, and if they are all "outliers", why wouldn't the one or two in Naruto also be considered outliers? Where is the line drawn? Is it going to be a battle of fanbois forever, or can we come to some type of baseline reasoning?

Even if we take just the Ywach Mimihagi feat, and the Light Fang feat, wouldn't Ywach be faster then Naruto then? The distance is FTL for Mimihagi, and Ywach reacted without Precog. Naruto reacted to something that can only be LS at best, and did so with precog.

Trying to be as objective as I can be, I would probably do something like this:

Naruto=Ywach>Sasuke>>>>Kakashi=Aizen=Ichigo?

Balancing out outliers even would put Ywach on Narutos level imo, I believe Sasuke is a tad slower, though may be equal. Kakashis speed is almost entirely scaling, but it was clear he was not at Naruto/Sasuke levels, and same goes for Aizen and Ichigo.

Wouldn't Ichigo and Aizen be higher since they were reacting and fighting Yhwach to the death unlike what Naruto and Sasuke were doing to each?(Sasuke trying to kill Naruto, but Naruto wasn't trying to kill Sasuke)

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#100 Posted by Aristeaus (1032 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus said:
@ourmanuel said:

@aristeaus Liltotto And mimihagi are outliers(well, definitely liltotto)

Same with shunsui reacting to lille’s “Light”

Sorry. You messed up teh tag, didn't see the response.

They cant all be outliers. Lille is actual light. There is on panel explanation of that, IIRC. If Lille's "Light" is not considered natural, why is Light Fang? Light fang only has a non-canon databook describing it. I seem to recall something about it not even being called Light Fang in the original manga, but I could be wrong about that. If we are using Databooks as evidence, then isn't Ichigo LS+ based on scaling as he was Lightning speed in a SS Arc databook, etc.

But the question still stands... There are quite a bit more LS level feats in bleach, and if they are all "outliers", why wouldn't the one or two in Naruto also be considered outliers? Where is the line drawn? Is it going to be a battle of fanbois forever, or can we come to some type of baseline reasoning?

Even if we take just the Ywach Mimihagi feat, and the Light Fang feat, wouldn't Ywach be faster then Naruto then? The distance is FTL for Mimihagi, and Ywach reacted without Precog. Naruto reacted to something that can only be LS at best, and did so with precog.

Trying to be as objective as I can be, I would probably do something like this:

Naruto=Ywach>Sasuke>>>>Kakashi=Aizen=Ichigo?

Balancing out outliers even would put Ywach on Narutos level imo, I believe Sasuke is a tad slower, though may be equal. Kakashis speed is almost entirely scaling, but it was clear he was not at Naruto/Sasuke levels, and same goes for Aizen and Ichigo.

Wouldn't Ichigo and Aizen be higher since they were reacting and fighting Yhwach to the death unlike what Naruto and Sasuke were doing to each?(Sasuke trying to kill Naruto, but Naruto wasn't trying to kill Sasuke)

They were getting slaughtered. While Yhwach was being hax'd by KS. It wasn't even close, so their speeds should also be not all that close to Ywachs. Its clear they were faster then say, Renji, though as he got stomped instantly.