Is my list correct?

Cass should've been higher imo.

No

Cassandra and Moonknight are too low

Cassandra should be 7 and Moon knight should be 8

Elektra definitely should be above Hawkeye up there with Widow, who she stalemated. Actually, that list is very wrong lol.

Taskmaster is more skilled than anyone here. And that's just one of inaccurate rankings of this list. No offence of course. Just saying.

Some characters are so inconsistent that it's hard to put them on the list.

By feats bruce is nowhere near number 1 on this list.

Taskmaster should be above most everybody on this list

@hope_w: how would you put the list?

Lady Shiva should be way higher

Batman being number 1? Not a chance. Batman’s good, but not good enough to hold such a title.

any H2H list that doesnt include Wolverine, Iron Fist, or Black Panther but does include Gordon Batgirl is automatically wrong

Daredevil needs to be higher

Taskmaster theoretically should be at the top

@hope_w: lol he is number 1 on this list maybe number 2 or 3 if you add wolverine and zealot but to suggest he is any lower than 3 is laughable

You more or less just told us that you prefer DC over Marvel.

The list is completely inaccurate.

@comic_book_fan: Batman being the best street leveler in H2H? Please pass me some of what you're having, he has the accolades and scaling but as far as raw feats. No. Not even on his best day.

@hopeWell i mean the dude masters 127 different forms of martial arts... Right?

Batman isn't the best, but likely top 5.

No, it's very damn wrong.

I've seen better lists.

@hope_w: he has mastered every known hand to hand combat style they're is there is a mystical side to his training he has feats of fighting people like grundy and wonder woman and holding his own just because his skill superman has called him the most dangerous man on earth and all of the jla have agreed that he is the most dangerous among them because of his tactics and strategic mind putting him below any except wolverine and zealot is silly

Way out of order, man. And how do you include people like Hawkeye and Punisher yet fail to do the same to guys like Iron Fist, Black Panther, Mr X or Wolverine?

No, not at all.

Terribly out of order.

Not even close

Wolverine, BP, task master, captain America, Deadpool and many many otherswho can beat most/all of this list in h2h

That's also what hit me.

Even if he knew 127 billions of them, there's still only so much basic moves. At this point he would be better knowing 127 different forms of dances... Also. what creates a martial art is the synergy between the moves, that makes it efficient. Using any moves from any art breaks that synergy somehow.

They sure can help, but recognized, organized martial arts are not even required to be good at HTH combat (althought some martial arts beat others in a rock-paper-scissors kind of way). Take for exemple these animalistic-based characters. Hand-to-hand combat is still a question of instincts and practice.

Wow, I just realized Cap's not even on the list. Fatal flaw.

IMO, it would be better for the OP to abandon all pretense to trans-universe fairness and do an exclusive DC list. In this view the list wouldn't be so bad. Now where's Ozymandias?

@comic_book_fan: and black panther>>>> Batman

Task master

Deadpool and iron fist (debatable but still)

Batman is far from the top

Yes, but BP is also enhanced - the extra speed and senses do make some difference.

It is kinda hard to differentiate physical enhancements and genuine combat skills: In the MCU universe, for exemple, Cap is undoubtely a better fighter than Loki, yet Loki's Asgardian speed and reflexes made that he owned Cap when they HtH in the first Avenger flick.

@nucleon: BP has masters every armed and un-armed materiel art known on earth, including Africans

And cosidered better than wolverine and Cap America and karnak

Cap even said that the only time he beated BP, BP “wasn’t his usual self”

@simppa: Lady Shiva should be higher. She beat Nightwing already, even though the latter was still tired from a previous battle, she had the upper hand the entire fight.

@tantani: no panther isn't he has better physical attributes by a little but thats it on paper they both have been stated to have mastered all forms of combat and batman has more big wins panthers biggest win is getting surfer in a hold batman has beaten darkseid

@comic_book_fan: Surfer allowed Panther keep him in that hold for extracting info and Batman has never beaten Darkseid.

@brucerogers: batman has twice

Issue numbers please.

This is regarding who's the best h2h fighter, not who's the most dominant fighter. I'd say it's pretty good, Nightwing maybe shouldn't be so high though

context is important. He shot him once and the other time DS realized killing Batman wouldn't be in his best interest.

@itouchedtheboat: Oh he means Final Crisis?. Yeah, Darkseid was literally sitting there recuperating and he made zero effort to actually prevent himself from getting shot. Hell, aunt May could have done what Batman did if she was in his place with the same tools lol.

There are a couple problems with the list, such as Taskmaster, Lady, Shiva, and Cain all being too low while Nightwing being too high. Also, you're forgetting so pretty impressive H2H fighters, such as Captain America and Black Panther. Overall, a good list! You have most of the fighters, you just got to rearrange them a bit. :)

@itouchedtheboat: a win is a win it's not like Doom just goes up and pimp smacks galactus batman went up against darkseid got what he wanted from the encounter and walked out alive thats a win.

he has also beat an entire justice league roster and he has beaten amazo far more impressive than anything panther has done.

Karate Kid should undoubtedly be number 1. Shiva should also be higher, and there's a lot of other people missing like iron fist.

Also characters like zealot and backlash should be near the top.

I'd say:

1. KK

2. Backlash

3. and 4. Shang chi and Richard Dragon (not sure of order)

5. Shiva (or maybe zealot)

Or something like that. Beyond that idk cos I wrote this in 5 minutes

I don't know which instances he's talking about tbh. These are just the two moments I can remember where Darkseid and Batman were alone together.

well tbh that's an oversimplification. I don't know what you guys were discussing but from the looks of it with the mention of Black Panther and SS I was under the impression that it was a discussion regarding his h2h feats. You're right in saying a win is a win but those instances were more of a win involving Bats' brains rather than brawn

@itouchedtheboat: but brains is part of a battle of skill they both are masters in hand 2 hand combat to the point that it is really pointless to try and determine who has more knowledge there because the way they are written panther batman wolverine deathstroke cap charaters at this skill level all practically know everything it would take for ever to get a deciding edge here so you move to other factors that are relevant to a hand to hand fight panther is stronger and faster than bruce by a little but my point is bruce's tactical and analyzing ability is a bigger advantage than panthers stat advantage he has beaten more powerful opponents than panther has through this means.

Why would nightwing and tim drake be above cass and shiva