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#1 Edited by ENDLESS_DARK (65 posts) - - Show Bio
IS IT POSSIBLE TO CREATE CHARACTER STRONGER THAN THIS OLD MAN?
IS IT POSSIBLE TO CREATE CHARACTER STRONGER THAN THIS OLD MAN?

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#3 Posted by Soratoumiga (2580 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos lol

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#4 Posted by ovy7 (2933 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, if you are suggverse

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#5 Posted by MindingMuffin (350 posts) - - Show Bio

Omnilock?

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#6 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6172 posts) - - Show Bio

Did people simply forgot about Yhwach ?

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#7 Posted by Sungsam (3209 posts) - - Show Bio
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Mr. Joo Joo Man feats.

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#8 Posted by zgtfreak (1896 posts) - - Show Bio

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#9 Posted by LJayG (1253 posts) - - Show Bio
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#10 Posted by Yasindermann (1166 posts) - - Show Bio

Suggsversal omnipotent+ characters.

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#11 Posted by Richubs (4235 posts) - - Show Bio

Every heard of Shaggy?

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#12 Posted by CaoCao (1438 posts) - - Show Bio

No, but there is nothing that i would call "omnipotent".

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#14 Posted by Jacthripper (14969 posts) - - Show Bio

Any multiple of an infinite value is still infinite. As a concept, if. somethings is truly omnipotent (all powerful as the word denotes) then there is literally nothing stronger than them, and all things exist because they willed it to do so. The question then becomes, can an omnipotent being create something greater than itself? This creates a paradox. Therefore, omnipotence must be controlled by its own laws, therefore suggesting that there is no being that is omnipotent, but instead a law or procedure that allows omnipotence to be granted, as long as the law is followed.

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#15 Posted by The_Hajduk (6213 posts) - - Show Bio

Any multiple of an infinite value is still infinite. As a concept, if. somethings is truly omnipotent (all powerful as the word denotes) then there is literally nothing stronger than them, and all things exist because they willed it to do so. The question then becomes, can an omnipotent being create something greater than itself? This creates a paradox. Therefore, omnipotence must be controlled by its own laws, therefore suggesting that there is no being that is omnipotent, but instead a law or procedure that allows omnipotence to be granted, as long as the law is followed.

Your logic falls apart in the face of Suggs.

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#16 Posted by Jacthripper (14969 posts) - - Show Bio

@jacthripper said:

Any multiple of an infinite value is still infinite. As a concept, if. somethings is truly omnipotent (all powerful as the word denotes) then there is literally nothing stronger than them, and all things exist because they willed it to do so. The question then becomes, can an omnipotent being create something greater than itself? This creates a paradox. Therefore, omnipotence must be controlled by its own laws, therefore suggesting that there is no being that is omnipotent, but instead a law or procedure that allows omnipotence to be granted, as long as the law is followed.

Your logic falls apart in the face of Suggs.

Suggsverse just suggests that infinity is contained within another infinity ad infinitum. Suggesting things such as levels or layers to infinity is an entirely human concept, showing the fallacy that a human being could even comprehend infinity or omnipotence in the first place.

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#17 Edited by green_skaar (12288 posts) - - Show Bio

Different levels of infinity is a well known concept in mathematics, particularly set theory. Some infinite sets are larger (like rational numbers) than other infinite sets (like whole numbers), because whole numbers are a subset of rational numbers.

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Suggesting things such as levels or layers to infinity is an entirely human concept, showing the fallacy that a human being could even comprehend infinity or omnipotence in the first place.

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#18 Edited by ZeromusEG (169 posts) - - Show Bio

In fiction everything is possible. Someone can draw fancomics where created by him character( Lord Gary Stu) fight with Christian GOD,TOAA and PRESENCE at this same time and beat them all. Someone can scream "You cannot beat omnipotent characters!" but his scream will not make this fanfic to disappear.

This is magic of fiction : you can make everything "real".

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#19 Posted by greenroost (1381 posts) - - Show Bio

IS IT POSSIBLE TO CREATE CHARACTER STRONGER THAN THIS OLD MAN?
IS IT POSSIBLE TO CREATE CHARACTER STRONGER THAN THIS OLD MAN?

yes an 'unbeatable' character would be stronger than an 'omnipotent' character

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#20 Posted by destinyman75 (14319 posts) - - Show Bio

Just ask Dr shedlon Cooper he can give you the purrefect answer

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#22 Posted by EcoBlitz (4915 posts) - - Show Bio

@jacthripper: your logic fails when said omnipotent being creates something more powerful yet weaker than itself. Your logic ignores the fact that an omnipotent being can manipulate paradox and logic

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#23 Edited by zgtfreak (1896 posts) - - Show Bio

@zeromuseg: If an omnipotent gets beaten in fiction, then they were never omnipotent to begin with...

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#24 Posted by xjlxking (48 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes and NOO

You can be omnipotent in your own multiverse/omniverse but not another.

Think HOTU Thanos.

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#25 Edited by ENDLESS_DARK (65 posts) - - Show Bio

@zgtfreak: Omnipotent Being like TOAA is still nothing more than paper to any Real Life Human so to create Character stronger than Omnipotent you need to make him at the same level with Real Life Human AKA Writer but how the hell i can make paper at the same level with Human

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#26 Posted by FaradaySloth (9422 posts) - - Show Bio

Me, Myself, and I

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#27 Posted by ourmanuel (11439 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes

How do you think AoS writers came up with Grant Ward?

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#28 Posted by King-Ragnar (3868 posts) - - Show Bio

CW Arrow.

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#29 Posted by Jacthripper (14969 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecoblitz said:

@jacthripper: your logic fails when said omnipotent being creates something more powerful yet weaker than itself. Your logic ignores the fact that an omnipotent being can manipulate paradox and logic

Except that this fails as omnipotence- or all powerful- is meaningless if logic does not exist. If there is no logic, then an omnipotent force does not exist. Logically, everything would fall subordinate to a higher power, but if there is no logic, there is no concept of scaling, and therefore no concept of power and therefore no omnipotence. If there is no logic, there is no such thing as "all" so therefore, omnipotence cannot exist. If there is no logic, infinity doesn't exist. Logic precludes omnipotence, therefore proving that absolute omnipotence is impossible, and instead must have a nature or law to control it.

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#32 Posted by ZeromusEG (169 posts) - - Show Bio

@zgtfreak said:

@zeromuseg: If an omnipotent gets beaten in fiction, then they were never omnipotent to begin with...

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Yes, also grass is green and sky is blue.Some other news?

Point is this same, you can make character that beat TOAA with only one finger.This will simply make "omnipotent" TOAA no longer omnipotent.Fan will scream and earth will still rotates around sun.So yes you can make omnipotent character, give him omnipotent feats and later make someone more powerfull (in fiction).

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#33 Edited by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (3830 posts) - - Show Bio

@jacthripper: Powerset of infinity is a greater infinity. If you use infinite power to mean omnipotent then indeed you can surpass it.

A truly All-powerful being can control laws of logic. Debating on anything being impossible for them is meaningless.

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#35 Posted by Kirkseven (2709 posts) - - Show Bio

Well yeah, just look at Goku for example.

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Maybe..........?

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#37 Edited by zgtfreak (1896 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2 said:

@kushido: @ljayg: @zgtfreak: Ever heard of transfinity ? No ? You can indeed surpass infinity.

It's a meme. I'm fully aware of transfinite infinity. The meme was referring to true absolute omnipotent infinity,

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#38 Posted by macleen (3453 posts) - - Show Bio

Not unless you want to ignore logic, which most fiction tend to do.

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#39 Posted by SC (18156 posts) - - Show Bio

Depending on the definitions of omnipotence applied? Sure.

As a consequence or repercussion of patchy incoherent reasoning? Sure.

As a projected idea to illustrate, parallel certain ideas, up to and including meta components of stories? Sure.

Omnipotence is a projected idea, concept, we have no actual examples in reality to use as basis, and philosophers, theologians, etc argue its definitions and merits all the time. Likewise, many different writers have different levels of understanding and ideas about such topics, so some can potentially approach the idea 'better' than some.

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