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#1 Posted by BlitzSikes (1988 posts) - -

Has guy in any of his feats been shown to be light speed?

I was thinking that the bending space thing could equal light speed but what do you guys think?

Is saying he is lightspeed a huge STRETCH?

#2 Edited by Malzahaar (1001 posts) - -

Bending space doesn't make you lightspeed.

#3 Posted by BlitzSikes (1988 posts) - -

http://www.hawking.org.uk/space-and-time-warps.html

Was going by that

#4 Posted by katanalauncher (3643 posts) - -

No, probably relativistic though, you can argue for lightspeed reaction scaling from Naruto light fang feat.

#5 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - -

It's a huge stretch, Guy is sub-relativistic/low relativistic at best based on this feat and it's still a huge stretch because bending space doesn't work like that in real life. We can only speculate what was author intention in that scene.

#6 Edited by JOVIOLMA (6643 posts) - -

### Well...... By real logic, this can be applied

Take a look at this explanation:

Part on the left is all about geometry, the curvature of space-time. Part on the right is a few constants times the Stress Energy tensor which is usually expressed as a 4x4 matrix

The first thing you should see here: no mention of mass! Because what really bends space-time is energy, momentum and their flows. This includes the energy of a massive body E=mc^2, and this also includes its energy when it moves at relativistic speed. In that case there will be a Lorentz factor, which if you really want you can interpret as if it’s relativistic mass.

Search about Stress-energy tensor in wikipedia and see the formulas in Isolated Particle.

https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/4f58fb63cd54d24054e276d23b8a8b17185fc8d8

https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/54e114d1b0d8071300ea061c9975ed01d8660e00

https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/a223c880b0ce3da8f64ee33c4f0010beee400b1a

https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/54e114d1b0d8071300ea061c9975ed01d8660e00

The/sqrt(1 - (v/c)^2) factor if you put it as part of mass, becomes the “relativistic mass”, but if you put it as part of energy, it’s just “relativistic” energy of a fast moving mass. So you can say “relativistic mass” can bend space-time. But you’ll immediately see that it bends space differently in different directions. This is weird, how can mass behave differently in different directions? Modern physicists prefer not to use “relativistic mass” at all, there’s just one mass - the rest mass.

So answering your question, no he is not Light speed, Bending space is a Relativistic Feat by real life standards.

### Now, following the feats in the manga/anime, I would say that he can be placed as Relativistic as well.

Guy was stated by Sasuke(IIRC) as being Faster than Kakashi, this is kind of impressive, Kakashi was stated to be able to cut through Lightning Pre-Part 1.

This kind of makes sense, and is consistent with the series itself, in the manga, Kakashi managed to outran and intercept Kakuzu's Lightning Bolts.

which were stated in the Databook to be extremely hard to avoid, which means that even though that they don't have a specific speed, they likely are pretty close in speed to natural lightnings.

And this feat can be scaled likely only to short burst movement so there is nothing contradicting this, Ninjas in Narutoverse already displayed feats where they hands moved faster than the enemy's eyesight, and we have no idea how far Kakashi was from Choji and Shikamaru, he could be pretty close and simple gave a fast jump and protect them :P

Lightnings in Naruto verse can reach ground in 1/1000th of a second.

Considering that those are heavy clouds lets take a low end of their height that is 1km above ground

1km/(1/1000s)=

1000km/s------> Mach 2941

One can say that according to Zetsu, Itachi wouldn't manage to dodge, but there are some things to considered here

• Itachi was sick
• Itachi was extremely fatigued cuz of the Amaterasu
• He was almost blind(Yes, we know that Sharingan is also connected to the user chakra so is a boost as well)
• He was pretty damaged cuz of the fight since his leg was hit by one of Sasuke's Shurikens.

And is pretty ironic Zetsu say that wouldn't have any dodging despite the fact that he was in proximity to Itachi and managed to avoid the Kirin in the last moment.

Itachi also was able to perceive the Lightning when Sasuke throw Kirin at him(based on his expression) and Sasuke was looking to him at this moment, if he really activated his Susano'o previously why Sasuke didn't noticed that ? Based on his expression, later when he saw that Itachi was alive, that was the first time that he ever saw the Susano'o.

After some chapters we saw Ay's speed which the later moved so fast that you can see the Lighting around his body but can't see him.

Although this is not a absolute proof that Ay is faster than Lightning, later he managed to moved so fast that escaped from Sasuke's perception.

https://i1.mangapanda.com/naruto/463/naruto-761729.jpg

https://i3.mangapanda.com/naruto/463/naruto-761730.jpg

https://i9.mangapanda.com/naruto/463/naruto-761731.jpg

Later, a heavily fatigued Sasuke used his Susano'o and almost managed to kill Kakashi, which according to the later stated that if wasn't his Kamui he wouldn't manage to dodge Sasuke's Arrows, which means that Sasuke's Arrow should surpass the Lightning Speed by a considerable margin.

And this was a heavily fatigued Sasuke pre-EMS and Pre-Rikudou's Chakra and Rinnegan Mastery, he still should had increased massively his speed after all those boosts.

Sasuke at EMS was fast enough to tag Sage Mode Madara, which is pretty impressive considering that previously Blind Madara blitzed Sage Mode Naruto who managed to dodge at point blank The Third Raikage maximum speed.

Madara later got innumerable boosts, Hashirama's Sage Chakra, One Rinnegan, the God Tree, Another Rinnegan, and later a Rinnesharingan which obviously increased his speed and reactions as a matter of fact he reacted to Kamui and Sage Minato's Teleportation pretty easily.

http://i.imgur.com/pUV7ehx

http://i.imgur.com/sxgzabU

http://i.imgur.com/4jiyeZs

Not only that, but he managed to react and protected himself from Naruto before the later could land a hit on him, even though that they distance by visual is only a few meters.

This Naruto is stated by Kishimoto's own words to by superior to the Kurama Mode.

## Six Paths Sage Mode- Fourth Databook-Second Caption

''Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!"

Naruto surpassed Ay's full speed since Incomplete Kurama Mode

http://i65.tinypic.com/1tkgab.png

This was before even manage to use Kurama's full power

http://kiyoitsukikage.tumblr.com/image/157156977174

Ifyou really think that this would be only a 2 or 3 times boost even though that in the past was stated(IIRC) that CS gives the user a 10x boost, well I can't do nothing to you though :P

Now talking about Guy, in his Night Guy he was stated to be have a 100 times boost at Night Guy.

I don't wanna play the hypocrite since I debate for both Naruto and DB and I refuse the fact that SSJ Goku should be FTL or FTL + cuz he was stated to have a 100 Times boost, but I'm just bringing things that I found interesting and unlike DBZ they aren't contradicted by future feats and looks consistent.

If we apply the logic that 100 times power= 100 times strength and speed, and accept the fact that both Guy and Kakashi can move at short burst or move their hands faster than lightning them

2941 x 100= Mach 294100= Relativistic :/

Madara was reacting against this, and according to the Databook, the EE gets stronger and faster each time that is used which means that Guy's speed was increasing each time.

Evening Elephant (Sekizou) (p. 263)

A-rank; Offensive; Close-range

User: Might Guy

“A Surge of Violently Burning Life——The “Eight Celestial Gates” Ultimate Secret!!

Releasing one’s power remitters to draw out power until the utmost limit, by opening the “Eight Gates Released Formation”, The Eighth Gate [Gate of Death], this taijutsu can be activated. For a moment, (one is) able to gain power even greater than the 5 kage (combined) however, the jutsu-caster will definitely reach death after its use — a double-edged sword. It is actually a super-speed hit/strike in air, a hitting (offensive) air-cannon.

There are *1 to 5 levels (steps, phases) of speed; raising the gear will increase the power.

(Guy vs Madara): Hitting out with unstoppable speed before the eyes, a great barrage of attacks in the face of death (to certain-death)! Might Guy had unleashed “Evening Elephant”, and overwhelmed even Madara who had become the Ten-Tails Jinchuuriki.”

Which means that he wasn't limited only to 100 times power, his power was increasing constantly, and later he moved so fast that he bend space

He is twisting the space around him ?!

The Kanji 空間 can be translated as Airspace or space, but, in the japanese grammar Airspace is used under specific contexts such as expressions related to aerodynamics and planes.

So after, everything so far showed here, claim that he is Relativistic or more doesn't looks wrong :P

#7 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8232 posts) - -

No and using science inside of fictional, clearly unrealistic manga's/comics that don't even attempt to follow real life rules for the most part is a silly procedure in the first place. Regardless, even with the "science" it'd only be relativistic, which is pretty consistent for Naruto God tiers though, so it might be accurate in this case.

#8 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - -

### Noooooo

#9 Posted by FlashingSabre (3864 posts) - -

Nah. He's relativistic though.

#10 Posted by The_living_tribunal_24 (6570 posts) - -

ok

#11 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6643 posts) - -

@gear4god said:

### Noooooo

I thought you would have a Oprah gif for this

#12 Posted by Adi_Frost (582 posts) - -

Nope. Relativistic is the best he can be placed at.

#13 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - -

@joviolma said:
@gear4god said:

### Noooooo

I thought you would have a Oprah gif for this

### So I'm well-known on this forum now? Eeeeeeeek

#14 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - -

Nope. Relativistic is the best he can be placed at.

### He's almost as fast as Usain Bolt.

#15 Edited by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - -

### Okay, I got one:

#16 Edited by JOVIOLMA (6643 posts) - -

@gear4god said:

Nope. Relativistic is the best he can be placed at.

### He's almost as fast as Usain Bolt.

UB is above the concept of distance and speed, he is not even a photon close to UB's speed.

#17 Edited by Claymore_Fools (707 posts) - -

From the perspective of Naruto speed depictions, you could argue that he is lightspeed. However, there are characters outside of the Narutoverse who are irrefutably faster than Gai and they haven't been shown bending space. Does that make them slower than light now?

In simpler terms, it's too difficult to say. And, considering Gai's speed feats before this form, it's safe to say he is below lightspeed all the while still being ridiculously fast. Again, all of this is down to Kishimoto. And unless he confirms it as lightspeed in the manga itself or in a databook (without hyperboles) OR he says it himself... it's too hard to tell. Not all manga speed depictions are the same.

He's probably relativistic, but I wouldn't put him at lightspeed.

#18 Posted by Adi_Frost (582 posts) - -
@gear4god said:

Nope. Relativistic is the best he can be placed at.

### He's almost as fast as Usain Bolt.

Nah man. Usain bolt is leagues above Gai. There is a difference of multiple tiers between them.

#19 Posted by Claymore_Fools (707 posts) - -

@gear4god said:

Nope. Relativistic is the best he can be placed at.

### He's almost as fast as Usain Bolt.

Nah man. Usain bolt is leagues above Gai. There is a difference of multiple tiers between them.

I heard Usain Bolt got a new MFTL+ feat recently.

#20 Posted by Adi_Frost (582 posts) - -

@claymore_fools: Stop trolling. IF that is true, it's probably his lowest of the lowest low end feat of his.

#21 Posted by JOVIOLMA (6643 posts) - -

@gear4god said:

Nope. Relativistic is the best he can be placed at.

### He's almost as fast as Usain Bolt.

Nah man. Usain bolt is leagues above Gai. There is a difference of multiple tiers between them.

I heard Usain Bolt got a new MFTL+ feat recently.

MFTL + ? What kind of lowball is this, dude literally ran, and crossed An Infinite Amount of Multiverses even though that he was already tired.

#22 Posted by HigherPower (12392 posts) - -

No and he's not relativistic either.

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#23 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - -

@joviolma said:
@claymore_fools said:
@gear4god said:

Nope. Relativistic is the best he can be placed at.

### He's almost as fast as Usain Bolt.

Nah man. Usain bolt is leagues above Gai. There is a difference of multiple tiers between them.

I heard Usain Bolt got a new MFTL+ feat recently.

MFTL + ? What kind of lowball is this, dude literally ran, and crossed An Infinite Amount of Multiverses even though that he was already tired.

### Isn't he Omnipresent? Existing throughout all space and all time, right?

#25 Posted by Claymore_Fools (707 posts) - -

@gear4god said:
@joviolma said:
@claymore_fools said:
@gear4god said:

Nope. Relativistic is the best he can be placed at.

### He's almost as fast as Usain Bolt.

Nah man. Usain bolt is leagues above Gai. There is a difference of multiple tiers between them.

I heard Usain Bolt got a new MFTL+ feat recently.

MFTL + ? What kind of lowball is this, dude literally ran, and crossed An Infinite Amount of Multiverses even though that he was already tired.

### Isn't he Omnipresent? Existing throughout all space and all time, right?

Yup, to the point where he will haunt your dreams...

#26 Posted by Claymore_Fools (707 posts) - -

@joviolma said:
@claymore_fools said:
@gear4god said:

Nope. Relativistic is the best he can be placed at.

### He's almost as fast as Usain Bolt.

Nah man. Usain bolt is leagues above Gai. There is a difference of multiple tiers between them.

I heard Usain Bolt got a new MFTL+ feat recently.

MFTL + ? What kind of lowball is this, dude literally ran, and crossed An Infinite Amount of Multiverses even though that he was already tired.

Oh sh**. Maybe I'm not up to date with the manga...

#27 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18040 posts) - -

Relativistic, but only with night guy. Normally 8 gates guy is massively hypersonic to sub relativistic at best.

#28 Posted by Claymore_Fools (707 posts) - -

@claymore_fools: Stop trolling. IF that is true, it's probably his lowest of the lowest low end feat of his.

..You right

#29 Posted by Adi_Frost (582 posts) - -

@gear4god said:
@joviolma said:
@claymore_fools said:
@gear4god said:

Nope. Relativistic is the best he can be placed at.

### He's almost as fast as Usain Bolt.

Nah man. Usain bolt is leagues above Gai. There is a difference of multiple tiers between them.

I heard Usain Bolt got a new MFTL+ feat recently.

MFTL + ? What kind of lowball is this, dude literally ran, and crossed An Infinite Amount of Multiverses even though that he was already tired.

### Isn't he Omnipresent? Existing throughout all space and all time, right?

Not just space and time but also in nothingness. Usain bolt is so fast that he everywhere and also everywhere in nowhere.

#30 Posted by Thenewguysnm1 (7530 posts) - -
#31 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4774 posts) - -

My problem with the feat is that it implies that every character in the verse has to be visibly bending space to be going at “relativistic” speeds.

But no he definitely isn’t lightspeed.

#32 Posted by Wrathofthebrad (923 posts) - -

Gai isn't even close.

#33 Posted by EcoBlitz (5094 posts) - -

No. I agree he’s relativistic tho

#34 Posted by Grinningf0x (1483 posts) - -

Nope

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#35 Posted by Sivil-Law (615 posts) - -

Gai is relativistic/lightspeed in base. With 8 Gates Night Guy he is at least MFTL++ or immeasurable since warping space is an effect akin to space-time teleportation warping.

#36 Posted by KingZod (4012 posts) - -

Then where do you place him?

#37 Posted by The_living_tribunal_24 (6570 posts) - -

@sivil-law: yikes.

#38 Posted by Emperorb777 (11287 posts) - -

Bullet timer at max and aim dodger on average.

#39 Posted by The_living_tribunal_24 (6570 posts) - -

scaling huhh.

#40 Posted by Sivil-Law (615 posts) - -

@sivil-law: yikes.

I know Gai's speed is impressive.

#41 Posted by Tightskin (247 posts) - -

@the_living_tribunal_24: Ignore him. He is a massive troll, look at this thread https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/naruto-goku-luffy-ichigo-busting-tier-1951264/#170

He loves his naruto so much that he just couldn't accept Naruto being placed at continental level which most of the people in the thread agreed upon. He brings up a term which has ceased to be used in astronomy i.e "Planetoid" which roughly translates to large meteors with geological features.

Gai is relativistic ONLY in night guy. Without night guy, he isn't.

#42 Posted by Sivil-Law (615 posts) - -

@the_living_tribunal_24: Ignore him. He is a massive troll, look at this thread https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/naruto-goku-luffy-ichigo-busting-tier-1951264/#170

He loves his naruto so much that he just couldn't accept Naruto being placed at continental level which most of the people in the thread agreed upon. He brings up a term which has ceased to be used in astronomy i.e "Planetoid" which roughly translates to large meteors with geological features.

Gai is relativistic ONLY in night guy. Without night guy, he isn't.

You shouldn't try to boss people around. I am going by feats I haven't seen Naruto destroy a continent. I have seen Naruto destroy large meteors though FACTS

Gai is MFTL via Night Guy FACTS

#43 Posted by HigherPower (12392 posts) - -

@kingzod said:

Then where do you place him?

He blitzed Juudara, so massively hypersonic+. I wouldn't be able to give you an exact figure, but high quadruple digit range is pretty reasonable.

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#44 Posted by Tightskin (247 posts) - -

@tightskin said:

@the_living_tribunal_24: Ignore him. He is a massive troll, look at this thread https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/naruto-goku-luffy-ichigo-busting-tier-1951264/#170

He loves his naruto so much that he just couldn't accept Naruto being placed at continental level which most of the people in the thread agreed upon. He brings up a term which has ceased to be used in astronomy i.e "Planetoid" which roughly translates to large meteors with geological features.

Gai is relativistic ONLY in night guy. Without night guy, he isn't.

You shouldn't try to boss people around. I am going by feats I haven't seen Naruto destroy a continent. I have seen Naruto destroy large meteors though FACTS

Gai is MFTL via Night Guy FACTS

I will boss you around until you stop ceasing to be cancer around here. Gai is not MFTL, provide facts and logic or stop spreading bullshit

#45 Posted by jobbers (334 posts) - -

@sivil-law said:
@tightskin said:

@the_living_tribunal_24: Ignore him. He is a massive troll, look at this thread https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/naruto-goku-luffy-ichigo-busting-tier-1951264/#170

He loves his naruto so much that he just couldn't accept Naruto being placed at continental level which most of the people in the thread agreed upon. He brings up a term which has ceased to be used in astronomy i.e "Planetoid" which roughly translates to large meteors with geological features.

Gai is relativistic ONLY in night guy. Without night guy, he isn't.

You shouldn't try to boss people around. I am going by feats I haven't seen Naruto destroy a continent. I have seen Naruto destroy large meteors though FACTS

Gai is MFTL via Night Guy FACTS

I will boss you around until you stop ceasing to be cancer around here. Gai is not MFTL, provide facts and logic or stop spreading bullshit

Remember when Gai kicked so hard that his leg flew off and went into the sun in 10 seconds?

#46 Edited by Sivil-Law (615 posts) - -

@tightskin said:

I will boss you around until you stop ceasing to be cancer around here. Gai is not MFTL, provide facts and logic or stop spreading bullshit

O hun stop it all I do is provide facts and logic..

#47 Posted by Tightskin (247 posts) - -

@sivil-law: Says the guy who can't even spell civil right

#48 Posted by Sivil-Law (615 posts) - -

@sivil-law: Says the guy who can't even spell civil right

There is no correct way to spell a username or even a name in general dumbass

#49 Posted by Tightskin (247 posts) - -

@sivil-law: You're the dumbass who makes up your own language. Sivil is no word and you clearly implied "Civil Law" which you misspelled for reasons known only to you. Have you put the lotion back in the basket or you still wanna go another round with your boi naruto

#50 Posted by Sivil-Law (615 posts) - -

@sivil-law: You're the dumbass who makes up your own language. Sivil is no word and you clearly implied "Civil Law" which you misspelled for reasons known only to you. Have you put the lotion back in the basket or you still wanna go another round with your boi naruto

I just made a speed thread with Sasuke you should vote