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Posted by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) 3 months, 29 days ago

Poll: Is Dragonball Z / Super Resistent to Hax ? (41 votes)

Yes 37%
No 63%

In recent chapter the new villain Moro is seen using telekinesis type magic on Vegeta who was SSJ2 at this point then SSJ God. If it could work on him at this level would EOS character like Narutoverse and Bleach Hax work on weaker DBZ tiers like Saiyan saga and Frieza saga ? Since it worked on them in Dragonball super.

Would Genjutsu, Hadou, type moves work on Saiyan Saga Tier characters ?

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#1 Posted by ChaosKnight75 (1029 posts) - - Show Bio

Genjutsu in-series can be resisted with a powerful enough release of energy to disrupt it. DBZ characters would break out of it with a flex

As for hax in general, no. Far too broad a term for starters and like usual it depends on the hax in question and what it does as well as DBS characters proving they have resisted that certain ability

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#2 Edited by ChaosKnight75 (1029 posts) - - Show Bio

There are characters in fiction no more stronger than a human that can still beat even current Goku because of their ability

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#3 Edited by zgtfreak (2053 posts) - - Show Bio

They can resist very low-tier hax.

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#4 Posted by Matthew660 (1676 posts) - - Show Bio

I think they could resist certain telepathy and illusion. But not things like bfr, time manipulation, and molecular/atomic destruction.

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#5 Edited by ElderElijah190 (2043 posts) - - Show Bio

@undefined: They could work but the thing is ssj2 vegeta for example could obliterate the entirety of the Hst verse before they could pull off any worthwhile hax. Plus vegeta himself has resisted Tp and broke out of absolute zero in ssj. They've survived black hole and time stop and could even move while frozen in time or in a time loop. They have resisted their souls getting erased and they're also resistant to paralysis which scales to everyone else.

So yeah, they've survived much higher planes of hax.

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#6 Posted by Madscientist224 (1460 posts) - - Show Bio

My left buttcheek is completely resistant/ immune to all hax and solos all fiction.

It's in a book, on a computer, or on TV? My left buttcheek wins.

Cuz I can sit on all of it. 😂😂😂😉

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#7 Posted by Standardized (1502 posts) - - Show Bio

I think they could resist certain telepathy and illusion. But not things like bfr, time manipulation, and molecular/atomic destruction.

Didn't jiren already resist time manipulation? And Frieza and Vegeta both were able to resist toppos hakai energy which erases people of existence.

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#8 Posted by Matthew660 (1676 posts) - - Show Bio

@standardized: True, but there are deifnitely other Jax that are way more powerful than one manipulation.

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#9 Posted by SmoothSanta (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

As with all Dragon Ball, if you yell loud enough you can resist it. Dragon Ball is all about brute power, not really hacks.

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#10 Posted by U_WOT_M8 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

I think they could resist certain telepathy and illusion. But not things like bfr, time manipulation, and molecular/atomic destruction.

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Ki works on a atomic level as shown when Frieza was reduced to atoms, they bust out of dimensions with screams, so much for BFR, and time manipulation -.- ummmmmmmmmmmmmm Hit ?

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#11 Posted by zgtfreak (2053 posts) - - Show Bio

@u_wot_m8: DBS fans still don't understand the difference between reducing someone to atoms and actually effecting said atoms; one of the main reasons you all lose 100% of the time in Seiya debates.

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#12 Posted by Legendary_User (232 posts) - - Show Bio

What they have shown so far, some dbs characters have actually countered some hax such as hakai & time skip.

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#13 Edited by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (4027 posts) - - Show Bio

@u_wot_m8: hits time manipulation was dependent on power levels and was done by creating a tiny pocket dimension right ? If strong enough you could collapse it. Universal range time stop should effect everyone in DBS. And reducing someone to atoms and destroying atoms have around 3 million times power difference. so atomic destruction >> turning to atoms. But atomic destruction can be done with super high basic heat so its not even hax.

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5c60dc252a2af (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

Db follows simple logic... if you're stronger... you can resist it, eg, Vegeta resisting Mind control by Babidi and Goku overcoming Time-skip.

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#15 Posted by FireStarLord73194 (5283 posts) - - Show Bio

The higher the power gap the more insignificant the hax. For instance we thought hakai energy could erase anything yet Vegeta was able to resist Toppo’s. Hit is also a super hax character due to his time powers but both Jiren and Goku have resisted it. Someone also pointed out Vegeta going against Babidis mind control. Hax means nothing in DB if the person you’re using it on is god tier

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#16 Posted by YOA_501 (685 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the Hax but yes they can

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#17 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#18 Edited by Scotchbear (2226 posts) - - Show Bio

Vegeta seemed to be able to “see” Moro’s magic force push in ssjg.

But we don’t know about magic, from foreshadowing it’s strongly suggested Moro will put a hurting on vegeta with magic, but idk if it’ll work on MSSB. Let alone his new form.

I think this would be the perfect chance to introduce the Bounty Hunter who was hinted almost a year ago, the one who hunts GoDs.

Make Moro the side enemy, have him put up a good fight against vegeta and goku then have the bounty hunter come in and curb stomp him.

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#19 Edited by StormShadow_X (16766 posts) - - Show Bio

Hax is not one defined ability, DB characters are immune to hax because they've dealt with it in their universe doesn't mean they can deal with all.

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#20 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the hax. Ki already grants resistance or has counters to plenty of like time manipulation or existence erasure but if someone uses lets say reality warping then ki would not be able to resist it.

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#21 Posted by FullMetalEmprah (4735 posts) - - Show Bio

They're not resistant to every type of hax out there but they're also not completely helpless against hax either.

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#22 Posted by AlexTheBoss (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

@yoa_501 said:

Depends on the Hax but yes they can

They're not resistant to every type of hax out there but they're also not completely helpless against hax either.

Hax is not one defined ability, DB characters are immune to hax because they've dealt with it in their universe doesn't mean they can deal with all.

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#23 Edited by TourneyMaster (1731 posts) - - Show Bio

Hax works. Anyone saying otherwise is lying.

Examples.Ginyu body switch on a more powerful Goku. That other Ginyu loser who froze the way more powerful Krillin and Gohan at the same time. Dabura stone spit working on more powerful foes. Buu still transforming the vastly stronger Vegito physically into a gumball. Buu absorbing vastly more powerful foes. Master Roshi absorb anything move that no one is able to resist. Potora earrings forcing you to fuse. Fusions gone wrong no matter how powerful you are you cannot make it work unless you do it right.Certain energy drainers that drain your ass even though the people being drain are vastly stronger. Dragon turning Goku into a child. A super virus killing Goku no matter how powerful he was.Ect.

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#24 Posted by Koays (11476 posts) - - Show Bio

Hax works. It's just a matter of whether the hax or user can survive high levels of energy outputs.

Genjutsu is disrupted by energy.

But something like Kyoka Suigetsu might work in theory.

Poisons are questionable.

Things like that one bleach sword with the weight abilities aren't worth much of anything but would seemingly have an effect but abilities like putting fear or retsu into them soifon style would likely be overwhelmed by powering up.

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#25 Posted by GrandTOAA (934 posts) - - Show Bio

Hasnt Vegeta already resisted Mind control?

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#26 Posted by Jko1 (3071 posts) - - Show Bio

The higher the power gap the more insignificant the hax. For instance we thought hakai energy could erase anything yet Vegeta was able to resist Toppo’s. Hit is also a super hax character due to his time powers but both Jiren and Goku have resisted it. Someone also pointed out Vegeta going against Babidis mind control. Hax means nothing in DB if the person you’re using it on is god tier

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#27 Posted by seastone98 (4699 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the hax no dbz character is resisting reality warping on the scale of the IG

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#28 Posted by MainJP (6120 posts) - - Show Bio

Master Roshi absorb anything move that no one is able to resist. Potora earrings forcing you to fuse.

You mean the Mafuba? Yeah, that worked on Frost, Dakori, Vegeta and Zamasu and they were all far more powerful than Roshi. Find a character that has ever resisted Mafuba.

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#29 Edited by CoituNats (68 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe it's a good idea to make a list of notable 'hax' ('broken') magic that occured in DB/DBZ/DBS, because there really aren't all that many (when compared to some other works of fiction):

(1) Magic Touch (Carrot Master, has the potential to one-shot any opponent by turning them into a carrot , simply by touching them. There are no in-verse counter examples for when it DIDN'T work.)

(2) Telekinesis / Paralysis (General Blue / Chaozu this hax which can render an opponent defenseless , works most of the time, but not always (e.g. not vs Taopaipai))

(3) Body Switching (Ginyu, this hax also seems to work infallibly, regardless of how much more powerful the opponent is)

(4) Petrification (Dabura, I'm not sure whether this one-shotting hax would work vs opponents who are much stronger than Dabura)

(5) Brainwashing (Babidi, it works most of the time (e.g. vs Dabura), but sometimes it fails (eg. vs Majin Vegeta). obviously, any such mind-controlling hax like this one has the potential to 'defeat' any opponent, if it was allowed to work always and without limits)

(6) Teleportation (Babidi, the ability to teleport SOMEONE ELSE to some random distant planet , possibly in a different solar system. obviously a powerful BFR hax, if the opponent has no way to come back)

(7) Candy Beam (Buu, works most of the time, even vs. stronger opponents like Vegito)

(8) Time Stop / Time Skip (Hit , it wasn't good enough to work consistently vs. Goku)

(9) Hakai / Energy of Destruction (Beerus and other GoD, initially it had been claimed that it would be capable of destroying 'absolutely everything', but later on in the ToP Golden Frieza wasn't even the only one who resisted it)

(10) Mafuba (Kame Sen'nin's special move is also a hax with the potential to one-shot anyone, as it was shown to work even against opponents in the tournament of power who were (objectively) much more powerful than the caster (Roshi)

(11) existence erasure (Zeno, at least on a multi-universal scale << well, we have yet to see this one fail at least once, in order to prove that there's an upper limit to Zeno's destructive powers at least IN-VERSE . Until that happens (at least in-verse , probably it won't), it's not unreasonable to attest this particular ability of Zeno the potential to erase absolutely anything and anyone who isn't 5D+, and also infallibly :) <

I hope this summary of the most memorable 'hax' (= broken abilities with the potential to one-shot an opponent by any other means than only sheer strength ) from the DB/DBZ/DBS universe can help you remember how often or how rarely a 'hax' got resisted by DBZ-character .

At least this list helped ME to remember DBZ- HAX abilities , and how often or how rarely they were RESISTED when a character tried to use them vs. an opponent, and I arrived at the conclusion that DB/DBZ/DBS-Hax usually worked MOST OF THE TIME whenever they were tried , hence the 'hax resistance' of DBZ-characters appeared to be rather low to me, from this point of view. It happened only rarely that some DBZ character tried to use some sort of 'hax' vs an opponent, and it just didn't work because the opponent resisted it.

Hax resistence == Low

however, what DBZ-characters lack in terms of hax resistence, they easily make up for it with much superior fire power + durability to conventional 'explosive' attacks, when compared to characters from most other works of fiction.

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#30 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

@coitunats: Trunks resisted Dabura spit, magic touch and candy beam are the same type of attack, same with Zeno attacks and hakai. Both got resisted too(partially in candy beam case since Vegetto got turned but still retained conscious). That's 7,5/10 (I counted candy beam/magic touch as a 0.5), pretty good record. The only hax that wasn't resisted is sealing and body switching.

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#31 Posted by ourmanuel (11881 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the hax.

Something like genjutsu is debatable since it’s possible to break out of it if you can control your chakra well enough. But to do that, they’d first have to know that their ki was being messed with.

Something like Kyoka suigetsu would probably work on some of them. Infinite Tsukuyomi might work too.

No Hado technique is working on DB chars lol. Same with Soi fon’s ability.

As for the other haxxes in both verses, it really depends. DB is that kinda verse where you can easily fall into NLF territory due to how superior they are to the HST.

So once again, it depends.

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#32 Posted by AllHellKingDox (318 posts) - - Show Bio

Hax does work people bringing up hit that's funny hit time ability is pathetic to time warpers who could go back in time and kill them thus killing them now.

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@u_wot_m8: hits time manipulation was dependent on power levels and was done by creating a tiny pocket dimension right ? If strong enough you could collapse it. Universal range time stop should effect everyone in DBS. And reducing someone to atoms and destroying atoms have around 3 million times power difference. so atomic destruction &gt;&gt; turning to atoms. But atomic destruction can be done with super high basic heat so its not even hax.

In DB, higher levels of powres = more hax resistance. Doesn't matter since they can resist getting existence erased which is beyond atomic destruction

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#34 Posted by U_WOT_M8 (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

@zgtfreak said:

@u_wot_m8: DBS fans still don't understand the difference between reducing someone to atoms and actually effecting said atoms; one of the main reasons you all lose 100% of the time in Seiya debates.

It's a shame existence erasers > atomic destruction and Base Goku resisted that

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#35 Posted by TourneyMaster (1731 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe it's a good idea to make a list of notable 'hax' ('broken') magic that occured in DB/DBZ/DBS, because there really aren't all that many (when compared to some other works of fiction):

(1) Magic Touch (Carrot Master, has the potential to one-shot any opponent by turning them into a carrot , simply by touching them. There are no in-verse counter examples for when it DIDN'T work.)

(2) Telekinesis / Paralysis (General Blue / Chaozu this hax which can render an opponent defenseless , works most of the time, but not always (e.g. not vs Taopaipai))

(3) Body Switching (Ginyu, this hax also seems to work infallibly, regardless of how much more powerful the opponent is)

(4) Petrification (Dabura, I'm not sure whether this one-shotting hax would work vs opponents who are much stronger than Dabura)

(5) Brainwashing (Babidi, it works most of the time (e.g. vs Dabura), but sometimes it fails (eg. vs Majin Vegeta). obviously, any such mind-controlling hax like this one has the potential to 'defeat' any opponent, if it was allowed to work always and without limits)

(6) Teleportation (Babidi, the ability to teleport SOMEONE ELSE to some random distant planet , possibly in a different solar system. obviously a powerful BFR hax, if the opponent has no way to come back)

(7) Candy Beam (Buu, works most of the time, even vs. stronger opponents like Vegito)

(8) Time Stop / Time Skip (Hit , it wasn't good enough to work consistently vs. Goku)

(9) Hakai / Energy of Destruction (Beerus and other GoD, initially it had been claimed that it would be capable of destroying 'absolutely everything', but later on in the ToP Golden Frieza wasn't even the only one who resisted it)

(10) Mafuba (Kame Sen'nin's special move is also a hax with the potential to one-shot anyone, as it was shown to work even against opponents in the tournament of power who were (objectively) much more powerful than the caster (Roshi)

(11) existence erasure (Zeno, at least on a multi-universal scale << well, we have yet to see this one fail at least once, in order to prove that there's an upper limit to Zeno's destructive powers at least IN-VERSE . Until that happens (at least in-verse , probably it won't), it's not unreasonable to attest this particular ability of Zeno the potential to erase absolutely anything and anyone who isn't 5D+, and also infallibly :) <

I hope this summary of the most memorable 'hax' (= broken abilities with the potential to one-shot an opponent by any other means than only sheer strength ) from the DB/DBZ/DBS universe can help you remember how often or how rarely a 'hax' got resisted by DBZ-character .

At least this list helped ME to remember DBZ- HAX abilities , and how often or how rarely they were RESISTED when a character tried to use them vs. an opponent, and I arrived at the conclusion that DB/DBZ/DBS-Hax usually worked MOST OF THE TIME whenever they were tried , hence the 'hax resistance' of DBZ-characters appeared to be rather low to me, from this point of view. It happened only rarely that some DBZ character tried to use some sort of 'hax' vs an opponent, and it just didn't work because the opponent resisted it.

Hax resistence == Low

however, what DBZ-characters lack in terms of hax resistence, they easily make up for it with much superior fire power + durability to conventional 'explosive' attacks, when compared to characters from most other works of fiction.

Few haxes are missing here.

(12) Dr Gero and Android 19 were able to drain far stronger Z fighters dry of energy. Nothing they could do stop it.

(13) Guldo's Telekenis worked fine on the gohan and krillin combine power. Guldo was weaker than both yet held them with TK at the same time.

(14) Guldo's Time Freeze was also a ability the superior Krillin and gohan had no way to counter.

(15) Frost poison worked hella fine vs Goku and Piccolo. Hax as simple as poison could notbe overcome by yelling loud enough.

(16) While not a hax attack, a simple heart virus was too much for SSJ Goku to hope to survive without medical help, so viruses and sickness is a form of attack.

(17) Janemba dimensional powers made SS3 Goku a plaything the whole match, though Gogeta was able make short work of Janemba by massive power gap. Janemba still needed soul cleansing to be defeated though.

(18) Baby is able to possess Vegeta fine, even after Vegeta reaches SS4 levels.

(19) A wish from the Dragon turn Goku into a kid in GT.

Just some other haxes off the top of my head.

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#36 Posted by zgtfreak (2053 posts) - - Show Bio

@u_wot_m8: Existence erasure works differently, thus immunity to super low-tier existence erasure like Beerus's =/= resistance to abilities specifically attacking atoms.

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#37 Posted by DeathHero61 (18826 posts) - - Show Bio

@u_wot_m8 said:
@matthew660 said:

I think they could resist certain telepathy and illusion. But not things like bfr, time manipulation, and molecular/atomic destruction.

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Ki works on a atomic level as shown when Frieza was reduced to atoms, they bust out of dimensions with screams, so much for BFR, and time manipulation -.- ummmmmmmmmmmmmm Hit ?

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No it doesn't even then, there are the feats Goku, Vegeta and Freiza have in relation to Hakai.