Is Death of Endless capable of claiming the Presence too ?

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Is she ?

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No

Presence > Death of the Endless > TOAA

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Death is an outcome personality authorized by the presence. No, she cannot.

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Wait, didn't Presence die at some point?

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No she can't. The Presence cannot die unless he wills it. Lucifer inherited this ability from him because it's part of the willpower. Death has no claim on either of these entities,they were meant to end themselves by themselves. Lucifer and The Presence both leave creation to the void. And death continues to claim everybody else until no one is left. This is how the world ends in DC.

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Can’t even claim Lucifer.

Beyonder one-shots the Endless.

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@rabumalal: any of the endless solos beyonder, marvel fanboys are so sad

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Comicvine DoE sure, she can do anything

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Isn't there a actually scene where it's referenced she would indeed one day claim him also?!

Seems people dont want to bring it up though

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#19  Edited By decaf_wizard

@annamalhouse said:

Isn't there a actually scene where it's referenced she would indeed one day claim him also?!

Seems people dont want to bring it up though

She should be capable if he was to allow it, but there is precedent that she has no authority over either Micheal or Lucifer, which should mean she cannot claim him unless that was the case.

I think it would be a situation similar to how the Morpheus incarnation of Dream died. Where he allowed himself to be taken willingly because he knew it was his time and wanted to end his role as Dream of the Endless

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#21  Edited By Y3kthunder

No she cannot an no the presence has never died either way he one taps her real easy to

She legit claimed Michael for one reason only he allowed it. Was either him or creation so he chose to sacrifice himself

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@owenzane said:

No

Presence > Death of the Endless

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@hdjdhsjj: Details are in the link I provided.

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There is no evidence the Presence was killed. only Mental Gymnastics. any "God" that was killed was Darkseid.

the Presence's death causes the death of all angels, not just spectre and Radiant. regadless of any made up head-canon that is not confirmed by panel.

this is the same guy who argues that all the Endless exist only in Universe 51 even though the DC Cosmology map tells you the Endless may exist outside of Universe 51.

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#29  Edited By Y3kthunder

The presence has never died if he dies the creations goes with him rox beat 2 hosts thats it. The other him Corrigan claimed to have killed him after he had a chat with him but he didn't actually kill him heck the next issue heaven opens up to Corrigan an a light craves something on his grave. Kinda can't open heaven when the presence straight up states he ate everyone in heaven to prove a point

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#32  Edited By MichaelJulius

All the Endless are cited below Limbo and DC Comics stops being DC Comics there. It takes a ton of favoritism to look at a map that is now over 11 years old and say the sequence of listed characters is something other than what its always been and hope to be taken seriously.

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@haddockus said:

only in Universe 51 even though the DC Cosmology map tells you the Endless may exist outside of Universe 51.

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If the Presence allows it, yeah.

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@hdjdhsjj said:

She cannot do it with soratoumigas pink butt force

With it she solos fiction and Neil gaimans backyard

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She is capable, despite Supermanthor and his alts.

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So Presence isn't omnipotent good to know

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@soratoumiga: with your force behind it yeah

So much about ignoreing me

You can't even remain true to your words

Pathetic

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Probably not since she cannot claim Lucifer who is weaker for obvious reasons. The Endless are wave functions ingrained into reality itself, which the Presence created.

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#40  Edited By Yasindermann  Online

No, she cannot.

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I think no

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#42  Edited By MichaelJulius

Death and traveling to an afterlife / being erased from existence are not the same concept. The Presence can't die. It can be removed from existence. Death has no claim on God.

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I don't think see is capable of killing people above her weight class regardless if they are capable of being killed or not.

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@enigma22 said:

Probably not since she cannot claim Lucifer who is weaker for obvious reasons. The Endless are wave functions ingrained into reality itself, which the Presence created.

Pretty sure this wasn't stated anywhere

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#46 KoLKent  Online

Yea she can via Sora force

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#47  Edited By etriel

Death of the Endless does not focus on weight class or raw power. She cannot be measured by the concept of linear power or even dimensional tiering. She's just death.

Anything non-omnipotent can get killed, you only need to surpass it with either superior linear power or superior intellectual advantage. And these entities fall to Death, regardless if they have an afterlife to go or not.

The Presence is a character, flexible enough to change depending on the perspective his current writer has on God.

But the Presence's true nature is perceived as this, totally formless entity, with no concept, just nothingness beyond all nothingness and any order of concept, duality, boundary to JM De Matteis. And JM De Matteis has written more about the Presence than other DC writers.

Under regular DC circumstances, Death has no claim on the Presence. She might have claim over his human perceived aspect as Yahweh, but Concepts originate from God, and God (and anyone who invokes his Boundless Will) can rewrite any Absolute Concept.

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No. Death operates within the confines of a particular system and order. Anything outside of that system she has no real claim over.