Is dc high tiers vs hulk a mismatch ?

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#1 Posted by wwe234 (63 posts) - - Show Bio

Realistically base hulk doesn't stand a chance against likes of DC high tiers they are too fast too versatile

So why we do this Hulk vs DC high tier matches ?

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#3 Posted by morpheus_ (35152 posts) - - Show Bio

Bait.

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#4 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio
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#6 Posted by eri123 (7241 posts) - - Show Bio

Not a battle.

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#7 Posted by Lan_Fan (18555 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm guessing speed, he's not that fast nor skilled.

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#8 Posted by Michaelbn (3084 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan: He is crazy fast for his size and has a ridiculous healing factor.

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#9 Posted by wwe234 (63 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#10 Posted by Ouroborik (4260 posts) - - Show Bio
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#11 Posted by BalancedTruth (1451 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk gets stomped

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#12 Posted by JamesWayne (1011 posts) - - Show Bio

To be fair, there are different versions of hulk. World breaker hulk would beat the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.

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#16 Posted by CaptainMarvel11 (960 posts) - - Show Bio
@wwe234 said:

Realistically base hulk doesn't stand a chance against likes of DC high tiers they are too fast too versatile

So why we do this Hulk vs DC high tier matches ?

So you guys can cry about why Hulk always ens up beating your favorite DC characters.

And then create low-tier bait threads like this.

You are right though, the threads actually get locked up by mods for being mismatches but it's usually because it's a mismatch in favor of someone like WBH vs Superman or WW.

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#17 Posted by APEX_pretador (21481 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by DarkHoudini (574 posts) - - Show Bio

The bait is strong in this one. Also not a battle.

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#19 Edited by Stormdriven (18287 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk’s extremely fast healing regen, blunt force durability, and massive physical strength make him a tough opponent for many of DC’s high tiers. Speed isn’t everything (unless you’re the Flash, then it’s the only thing that matters).

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#20 Posted by Hellespont (297 posts) - - Show Bio

There are many great debaters around here who can make a strong case for Hulk against faster opponents due to his other stats being extremely good.

Just because you think Hulk loses to some other characters in his tier doesn’t mean it’s a mismatch or people should stop debating it.

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#21 Posted by Evil-Incarnate (7368 posts) - - Show Bio

To be fair, there are different versions of hulk. World breaker hulk would beat the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.

In that aspect there are different versions of said heroes who'd stomp multiple Hulks...

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#22 Posted by JamesWayne (1011 posts) - - Show Bio

@evil-incarnate: yeah I know, but world war hulk, like this devil hulk now, is a version that hulk could technically go anytime he's mad enough. he doesn't need external power sources to get stronger, gear, etc.

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#23 Edited by Nucleon (4139 posts) - - Show Bio

@balancedtruth said:

Hulk gets stomped

When you don't have arguments whatsoever, use a bllsht authoritative tone, people.

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#24 Edited by Nucleon (4139 posts) - - Show Bio

@wwe234 said:

Realistically base hulk doesn't stand a chance against likes of DC high tiers they are too fast too versatile

So why we do this Hulk vs DC high tier matches ?

Funny thing here is that you used the plural form to describe DC's sole "high tier". Wow how powerful he must be. Does he transmute energy, affect molecules, or delve into his opponents' mind? No - he's a simple flying brick. Just like the Hulk is a simple jumping brick.

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#25 Posted by King-Ragnar (5166 posts) - - Show Bio

This is just poor and weak bait.

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#26 Posted by Wrathofthebrad (1370 posts) - - Show Bio
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#27 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio

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#28 Posted by DarkHoudini (574 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon: Captain Atom, Martian Manhunter, Lanterns in general, Flashes, Wonder Woman etc. are all DC high tiers with abilities and skills other than punching hard and flying fast...

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#29 Posted by WollfMyth209 (17534 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the high-tier honestly.

Someone like Martian Manhunter, Superman or Orion could eventually take Hulk down, but people like Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Aquaman, and other DC high-tiers wouldn't be so lucky.

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#30 Posted by baph (2951 posts) - - Show Bio

Someone really trying to bait Atheist, i wonder who the OP is. Lol.

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#31 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio
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#32 Posted by Nucleon (4139 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkhoudini: Captain Atom, Martian Manhunter, Lanterns in general, Flashes, Wonder Woman etc. are all DC high tiers with abilities and skills other than punching hard and flying fast...

Wonder Woman isn't really powerful, in the grand scheme of things; The Flashes are one-way glass cannons; The Lanterns are glorified TK users, but Cap Atom and Doc Manhattan (the same character, really, and both part of it were conceived outside DC)) are indeed powerful in concept, but on paper basic supermeat always win nonetheless.

Superman is what we call a "science hero", a hero whose origins would be explained by science instead of, say, myth. Problem is, he was conceived at a time where science isn't as advanced as it is today. So by modern standards, Superman is hopelessly outclassed in concept and yet DC's got to somehow keeping him at the top as a floating value.

So what do they do? They stunt all the rest of their universe so Supes can stay at top. That's why Green Lanterns only produce generic blasts or giant boxing gloves instead of draining energy or transmute molecules.

Marvel doesn't let itself be ruled by simple supermeat in the age of quantum physics; There are plenty of Superman clones flying around at Marvel, and altgought they are as a rule pretty powerful, they are in no way the movers and shakers they would be at DC's.

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#33 Posted by Bayman007 (2850 posts) - - Show Bio

The DC high tiers are usually leagues ahead of the green guy, i do root for him though. He is a beast

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#34 Posted by DarkHoudini (574 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon: Your opinion on characters has absolutely zero bearing on whether they are considered high tiers in their respective universe.

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#35 Edited by Nucleon (4139 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkhoudini: WW isn't high tier. And neither are the Flashes. They're mid tiers even within DC's cosmology. Heck, there are about 372 Supes clones that are all more powerful than WW and the Flashes, every single one of them.

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#36 Posted by kgb725 (19996 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 superman got beat up by random people weekly who had no speed feats at all

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#37 Posted by deactivated-5d1b55b9aec46 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Rules for Battle Thread Creation

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Before we talk about what is a battle, let’s list what isn’t a battle.

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General rule of thumb: if the thread can end with a question mark (?), then it isn’t a battle.

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#38 Edited by DarkHoudini (574 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon: WW is pretty high tier in DC, she’s been written to beat Kryptonians and experienced Lanterns, even give Clark a good fight (who is the poster boy of DC high tiers according to you). Flash has also beaten people like Mongul, White Martians, Flashpoint Diana and was regarded as a bigger threat than Superman by Amazo. I mean in recent comics the two main Flashes were running around the planet and the Speed Force energy they generated was causing damage all throughout the cosmos while no other heroes could do a thing about it, including Superman. I think it’s pretty clear that DC writers have them as pretty high up there.

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#39 Posted by CaptainMarvel11 (960 posts) - - Show Bio

It doesn't matter how many powers/abilities you have, what's important is what you can do with them.

Flash being a one-trick pony(actually not true), still has enough speed and power behind that speed to cause damage even to some cosmic entities, let alone other high-tier beings.

So really high-tier is just an arbitrary tier that can fit any kind of character, from ones that have 1-2 abilities to those that have dozens of them, it's all about the power behind those abilities. It's not about the quantity, it's about quality.

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#40 Edited by DarkHoudini (574 posts) - - Show Bio

@captainmarvel11: Obviously this. I was just giving examples of DC characters who are more than flying bricks cause that’s what Nucleon seems to enjoy for some reason.

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#41 Posted by CaptainMarvel11 (960 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkhoudini: Nucleon has no idea what he is even talking about. While i do think speed gets overtly wanked at times on these forums, he goes the complete opposite route and treats it completely irrelevant, even posts some gibberish regarding it like the time IIRC he said Hercules is as fast or faster than some DC characters...

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#42 Posted by DarkHoudini (574 posts) - - Show Bio

@captainmarvel11: Yes I’ve seen, he thinks MCU Thor and Captain Marvel have equal or better combat speed compared to DCEU Superman and some shit like that.

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#43 Posted by deactivated-5d0b495e7009f (1844 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok wbh could beat WW or Superman but still gets one shoted by guys like Zatanna or every average martian or dr fate

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#44 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio
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#45 Edited by Nucleon (4139 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkhoudini: It's quite simple really: Just check out both the Flash and WW's rogue galleries, to give you an idea where they sit at, power-wise. I don't care much about outliers, they're bound to happen in a 50-years publication history. No matter, in the end the Flash can still be KOed by a guy using a boomerang, and WW can be shot by a punk firing a .38. There they are, your "top tiers".

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#46 Posted by deactivated-5d0b495e7009f (1844 posts) - - Show Bio

@davidharewood14: Dr fate isn't high tier he is more than that

Ok but still he is still being with power from platonic concept realm ( outerversal, boundless to any dimension ). This is still very impressive. The fact WW ( even New 52 ) can beat that guy proves WW is that powerful according to her other consistent feats.

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#47 Posted by Nucleon (4139 posts) - - Show Bio

@captainmarvel11: Nucleon has no idea what he is even talking about. While i do think speed gets overtly wanked at times on these forums, he goes the complete opposite route and treats it completely irrelevant, even posts some gibberish regarding it like the time IIRC he said Hercules is as fast or faster than some DC characters...

To say speed is overtly wanked here is actually an understatement. I don't say it's irrelevant - it certainly is at one point. Past that point, however, I'd rather take the extra durability. If speed was such the sht, then both the Flash and QS would be at the top of their respective universes, instead of the reality and molecules manipulators.

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#48 Edited by gunchar16 (2095 posts) - - Show Bio

@wollfmyth209 said:

Depends on the high-tier honestly.

Someone like Martian Manhunter, Superman or Orion could eventually take Hulk down, but people like Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Aquaman, and other DC high-tiers wouldn't be so lucky.

Aquaman is no high tier, and Wonder Woman also kind of not really so far if rebirth without amps or could take normal savage Hulk if armed Pre 52.

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#49 Posted by gunchar16 (2095 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon said:

@darkhoudini: WW isn't high tier. And neither are the Flashes. They're mid tiers even within DC's cosmology. Heck, there are about 372 Supes clones that are all more powerful than WW and the Flashes, every single one of them.

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#50 Posted by Lan_Fan (18555 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm honestly disappointed.