Is 616 Thanos and Silver Surfer consistently solar system level? If yes then show proof

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Knull tanked a Big Bang.lol.

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Thanos AP: Saturn-Jupiter level is likely.

Surfer AP: Uranus-Saturn level is likely.

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Credit of Knull scan from Professor Respect.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/respect-knull-king-of-the-symbiotes-complete-respe-2022488/

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planetary, sure

Odin is below planetary, so it's consistent with planetary Thanos

stop

Odin being unable to power a planet for long solos.

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@elvinisaev42: So, Surfer is Universal for hurting Knull? lol. Knull also died in the sun.

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planetary, sure

Odin is below planetary, so it's consistent with planetary Thanos

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Odin being unable to power a planet for long solos.

Odin < Mangog < thousands of times below planet level heat from the sun solos

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Thanks needs artifacts/amps to be above planet/star level.

Not sure about surfer, maybe consistently around planet->planet+

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@karkus: Thanos doesn't even have consistent planet level feats, lol at these guys that think Thanos is anywhere near star level consistently.

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Thanos needs artifacts/amps to be above planet/star level.

Not sure about surfer, maybe consistently around planet->planet+

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#61  Edited By elvinisaev42

Silver Surfer was weakened. LOL.

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Knull was weakened by Captain Universe Venom, the killed by the Sun. Someone didn't read.

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Thanos needs artifacts/amps to be above planet/star level.

Not sure about surfer, maybe consistently around planet->planet+

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#65  Edited By Karkus

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Knull was weakened by Captain Universe Venom, the killed by the Sun. Someone didn't read.

It was never stated he was weakened by him. He had his armor ripped apart and a bit of his face burned, but that'd leave him in the same state he was when he tanked the Big Bang.

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So according to your logic Captain Universe is planet level. This some type of a joke. Captain Universe Venom killed a Celestial. Captain Universe repeatedly injuring Knull.

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@elvinisaev42: You should tag people when you respond to them. Cap Universe isn't planet level, he's way above since he stomped Knull. What I'm saying is Knull tanking a big bang isn't consistent, and you could use the same logic to say he's orders of magnitudes below star level since he died upon contact with one. You can see Knull tank that one hit from Eddie with just a bloody nose.

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Surfer isn't imo, but Thanos can be.

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They aren't "consistently" any level. Surfer will go from universal matter manip in one issue to knocking himself out running into Iron Man in the next. Thanos will go from shrugging off a black hole collapsing on him the size of a solar system to then being asked by the person who knows him best if the damage came from a regular nuke and his max blasts being said to be mountain level, while someone he's fodder to dies to a gas giant exploding.

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#74  Edited By Karkus

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@kevd4wg said:

They aren't "consistently" any level. Surfer will go from universal matter manip in one issue to knocking himself out running into Iron Man in the next. Thanos will go from shrugging off a black hole collapsing on him the size of a solar system to then being asked by the person who knows him best if the damage came from a regular nuke and his max blasts being said to be mountain level, while someone he's fodder to dies to a gas giant exploding.

Who is that

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They aren't even consistently planet level.

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#77  Edited By TheSpartanB345T

Idk why Surfer is in this conversation, but Thanos very well might be.

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Neither are solar system level

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Thanos was on Odins mercy in that fight

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I think solar system or higher feats tend to be high ends for these two, so for them to be consistently on that level seems like a stretch. Maybe someone can try to tally how many solar system (or higher) level showings Thanos or Surfer have in comparison to their other showings.

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25 feats is not needed, I'd say closer to 8 if authors are varied and tons of ant-feats don't exist.

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#84  Edited By elvinisaev42
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The marvel handbook confirms.

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Idk why Surfer is in this conversation, but Thanos very well might be.

Surfer's got more star/solar level feats than Thanos

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Mangog has never busted a city, therefore he is not even city level.

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@thespartanb345t: I mean, this is a question about feats and consistency, not power scaling. Surfer definitely competes with Thanos when it comes to quantifying feats on stellar levels.

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Thanos consistently survives more deadly situations.

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Silver Surfer is casually star level by feats to solar level isn't a stretch.

Thanos has to be at least solar level to have accomplished some of the feats he's done (like against Galactus).

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Surfer is Star Level. Firelord has attacked before with the full force of a small star. And Surfer is a more powerful herald than Firelord.

I'd still put Thanos at Star Level too. His durability is better than Norrin

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#91  Edited By rajjarsalt

Surfer's star creation feat means he should be star level. And Nova did bust a solar system.

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#92  Edited By rajjarsalt
@karkus said:
@elvinisaev42 said:

Knull was weakened by Captain Universe Venom, the killed by the Sun. Someone didn't read.

It was never stated he was weakened by him. He had his armor ripped apart and a bit of his face burned, but that'd leave him in the same state he was when he tanked the Big Bang.

It wasn't burned at all, his face was melting into goo when that happened.

Surfer conceding that the star he expanded right in Knull's face wouldn't kill him should be enough to suggest that Knull wouldn't die unless he was massively weakened or on the brink of death by previous attacks. And that sort of injury is more than enough to bring one to the edge.

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@rajjarsalt said:

Surfer's star creation feat means he should be star level. And Nova did bust a solar system.

Wasn't it a miniature star, though?

Was it stated to be?

I hope this isn't one of those ''well it looks small on the picture'' type of arguments. 😂

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Thanos is. Surfer not so much, last time I checked.

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Thanos consistently survives more deadly situations.

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Thing was MASSIVELY nerfed in those encounters. And he was still only toying with Thanos! Quit trying to highball! Or are you trying to imply that Chins is Beyonder level?

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@thelurker: Unless Things nerf put him below solar system level, its valid. No worries.