Vs
Round 1: In-character
Round 2: Bloodlusted
Conditions:
Who wins?
@blackspidey2099: Okay, before I address anything Thor doing stuff like breaking adamantium and breaking celestial armor would be outliers for him. He hasn't had such a good track record against adamantium and being bloodlusted wouldn't help.
Tony has actually had a good track record against Hulk/Thor but somewhere in the early 2000s there started to be a few inconsistencies of him losing too easily.
He could do pretty well in a non prepped fight and honestly don't know why you see his crossover with Thor as an outlier compared to what you just pointed out. Iron Man's fight with an amped Taurus(along with giving a mindcontrolled Hulk the business not too long after that), trapping Apocalypse with his shields, and tanking multiple hits from Worthy Grey Gargoyle and slicing his head would all support that Bleeding edge isn't fodder compared to Thor. None of the Hulkbuster's here ever even fought Hulk and the Thorbuster is powered by the asgardian crystal so why would it need to be effective without it? All of the armors have impressive feats/abilities that I can inform you about if you want. Just like Thor has say Godblast Iron Man has his satellite blast(he doesn't really need prep to use this). A few other neat abilities Iron Man has here would be his own spidey sense/pre cognition(extremis), holograms, nanomachines/mini Iron Men(Fin Fang Foombuster), duplication(Model Prime), strength/durability boost from absorbing the electromagnetic fields in the atmosphere(Bleeding edge), regeneration, camouflage, disabling his safety protocols to increase striking power, picking up people with the Iron in their blood, anti-energy absorbing blasts, complete heat draining(model 42) ect.
The Stark Sentinels took on a lot more than just Thor so they would obviously take the majority. Sols Hammer destroys planets at 2% power(Endo-sym had tanked the Dyson Sphere destruction by the way). The genetic disruptor in theory could work on Thor if it reverts any superhuman down to normal human levels. The only people they wouldn't work on are guys like Flash and Green Lantern since they get their powers from outside forces instead of genetics. By feats the superweapon city + car armor<<<<mostly any armor. I mean even Model 42 actually had a good scuffle with Hulk(and Doctor Doom) which is better than whatever power that city displayed. Heck just for kicks I'll even show a fight between Iron Man and Hulk to prove he isn't as helpless as you make him out to be
Matter of fact just take a look at some of the feats displayed on this thread if you still think Bleeding edge's fight with Thor is still an outlier. The Fin Fang Foombuster alone had dropped Absorbing Man
Sorry if I made this too long but I figured I could use what I'm saying here in future debates.
I didn't bring up Celestial armor since that's an outlier, but Thor has quite a few feats of breaking uru, adamantium (secondary), and vibranium. I don't think those are outliers.
Secondary adamantium seems plausible although you do realize all the things you just mentioned usually take extreme effort when he actually does break them? He usually can't even break this stuff without the Odinforce. The doesn't really consistently break them without any kind of amp.
Classic Iron Man only has one win against them IIRC, but the composite armor you used here include none of the Classic armors.
Endo-sym was very explicitly shown and stated to be more powerful than the classic armors(ignoring the subtle hints and direct comparisons made with extremis, Bleeding edge, and Model Prime). Pretty much everytime Tony makes a powerful new armor they show it's better one way or another. He has like 2 and five half wins against Hulk/Thor specifically but if you're counting other people then he stalemated Silver Surfer, had an inconclusive sonic boom causing fight with him another time, stalemated Hercules, showed up the fantastic four multiple times and beats Namor pretty much everytime(including non classic armors too)
He got two-shot by Taurus though. Iron Man was pretty outmatched by Grey Gargoyle in terms of stats until he used the repulsor blade against him, and the Worthy were pretty clearly below Thor since Thor one-shot Worthy Thing. The Apocalypse feat is pretty impressive, but I don't think the force field can hold Thor for long, especially since Thor can summon lightning from outside even if he's in the force field. Overall, that's only two feats where Iron Man performs around Thor level (against Apocalypse, and against Thor).
Are we going to act like Thor didn't get taken out in the same amount of hits by Taurus? Iron Man was actually more impressive than Thor in that fight considering he only got one surprised attack in while Iron Man had landed hits on a ready Taurus. Not to mentioned he lasted longer in the fight. I disagree on the Worthy Grey Gargoyle statement since the only time I can remember Thor no-selling Tony's blows and beating Iron Man anyway near as bad was when Extremis fought and took several hits from Odinforce Thor. The amped Thing had got oneshotted by Thor and slightly beaten up Spider-Man so I'd say Worthy Grey Gargoyle was more impressive by comparison.
Oh I thought you were using a composite Hulkbuster. I feel like if you only use the one that went up against Pymtron, that's even worse for Tony since it was getting broken by Pymtron who wasn't anywhere near Thor level (he was scared to go into the Sun while Thor casually chills out in the Sun). I don't see how the Asgardian crystal helps against Thor when he doesn't have Odinforce powers. Unless we're using current Thor with Odinforce + Power Cosmic? It could help then, but I'd say Thor stomps much harder in that case.
I do agree with Pymtron being weaker but the go into the sun comparison doesn't necessarily make him weaker. Iceman could be afraid to go into the sun even though say Human Torch can lol. Does that make him weaker than Torch? I choose that Hulkbuster because it's speedy and it did beat on Pymtron for a bit, although Peter Quill did manage to smack around Gladiator and his friends for a bit while wearing this. It also managed to somewhat hold his own against Sentry level+ people. The other Hulkbusters here are ther Argonaut Hulkbuster, "Hulked-out" Endo-sym, and Model Prime Hulkbuster. Endo-sym scales over the other the strongest known Hulkbuster(World War Hulkbuster) by feats while the argonaut would be the strongest by implied power. That's why it felt unnecessary to make it a composite Hulkbuster. The asgardian crystal gave Thorbuster the majority of its power with it's own Odinforce. It was basically like if Iron Man(Thorbuster) gave Thor(King Thor) a good fight but eventually got overwhelmed by his lightning(Odinforce) and physical strikes. Even so, Thorbuster could still get power from Mjolnir here.
I'm aware of all of that. I don't think the satellite blast is going to do anything to Thor - it only depowered Hulk when it was modified by the Intelligencia in WWH. IDK if it has any other good feats. You didn't even actually include Extremis, but even if you did, I don't think Spider-Sense is going to help Tony put Thor down at all, though it means Thor will take longer to beat Tony. The nano Iron Men were featless, holograms and duplicates are useless if Thor uses AoE lightning, and I don't think the other stuff is really relevant here. The striking power increase from absorbing electromagnetic fields (I'm assuming you're talking about AvX: VS) didn't really show anything on Thor's level either. Obviously it's hard to calculate how much that changes if you stack all of the armors together, but I usually go by the rule that stacking a bunch of things which aren't individually on Thor's level won't allow you to sum them up into something better than Thor.
I think his Satellites also vaporized an Ultimo that was no-selling Thor's blows. Bleeding edge is quite literally extremis 2.0 and it was shown to be such. It's literally one of the most direct armors that could be scaled off of here. The nano Iron Men had multiplied inside of Fin Fang Foom and killed off the virus controlling him. I'm sure they could be used as some type of distraction at least. Holograms and camouflaging will make things difficult for Thor, and likely even give Tony the opportunity to come up with a plan. I'm pretty sure Magneto has one of the most powerful shields in Marvel so the fact that Iron Man not only could burst them, not only hold his own, but actually punched a self-amped Magneto with enough force to BFR him is in impressive. That ability increases his physical strength and durability. I was referring to the time Iron Man put his-self into a coma while greatly increasing his striking power by disabling his safety protocols to knock out Mindless Hulk when I said striking power. It seems like it would be a last resort kind of thing though. All of the armors are powerful enough to Thor to make a big difference with stacked stats and power. It's not like it'll take you 100 Bleeding edge or Endo-sym Iron Men to get to Thor's level for example. By feats it would likely only take 2. Plus if they were all individually on Thor's level then it would obviously a stomp in favor of Tony.
Being trapped in adamantium is a low showing for Thor tbh. Not to mention that, now that he knows what they do, he can just avoid the Pym Particles.
Fair enough on the part about avoiding the Pym Particles but with Tony helping they could likely hit him.
Tony can't build Sol's Hammer on his own and especially not in 5 days. Even if he did, by the time it took for him to fly to the Sun and aim it, Thor would catch him and beat him up since Thor has better travel speed. Endo-Sym didn't tank Dyson Sphere destruction, it just left the Dyson Sphere cause it was going to be destroyed... There's no proof Tony was in the Dyson Sphere when it got destroyed. Even if it was inside the Dyson Sphere as it broke, I don't see why that's a good feat? Tony flew out of a collapsing structure and that's all that happened.
I was just saying it could be an option. Tony's travel speed actually isn't too far off considering what he's done and who he's kept up with. Thor is obviously faster with dimensional travel but Tony wouldn't be far behind with warp speed and both speeds would be far too fast for just traveling to Sols hammer. Tony was right above the Dyson Sphere when the destruction happened(his ship gets destroyed because of this) and he literally was shown to be inside the blast not caring. It was like a more insane version of the time Extremis tanked 5 nukes.
Thor's powers are intrinsically magic. I don't think the genetic disruptor would work on him.
The Genetic disruptor should partially work at least. Thor might still have his powers but his natural stats would be taken. Then again if we factor in Donald Blake it would be more complicated.
Your fight literally shows Hulk laughing off every hit from Tony and breaking the armor with one attack? That's like one of Tony's worst fights against Hulk, lol. That armor isn't even part of this composite anyways.
You kind of do have a point but everything else was shown in the link I gave so I decided to use a new fight. If you actually look at Hulk's expressions you'll see he wasn't laughing off the blows and the fight ended with Hulk getting blasted away. Hulk broke Tony's armor with one attack and a squeeze but it's a lot less impressive for Hulk when you look at the context. Iron Man was low on power while Hulk had gained power and basically said he was angrier than ever. Iron Man was basically combatblitzing Hulk the whole fight..I already addressed why I don't need to specifically composite the classic armors. You can still have these fights since you're not satisfied with that one
I'm aware of most of those feats, and it also looks like most of those feats involve heavy scaling from previous armors based on the assumption that Tony's armors are more powerful than previous armors - which is rarely true in practice. Plenty of armors have worse feats than the armors before them. This is because writers always want a feasible reason for why Tony changes armors (they're "upgrades") but they want Tony to stay in roughly the same tier and not power creep into like teambuster tier by now. I don't think dropping Absorbing Man is such a great feat since he's super inconsistent and fights guys like Spider-Man and Luke Cage just as often as he fights Thor.
It's not based on assumption when there's been actual evidence and direct comparisons. Nobody is going to believe that Bleeding edge and Endo-sym are weaker than Extremis(literally the older version of Bleeding edge and even without that Bleeding edge has better feats between the two) and the classic armors(literally shown to be weaker than Endo-sym; literally outperformed by Extremis). Iron Patriot is just one of the weakest armors in general. Endo-sym is technically extremis 3.0 so it should scale off of Bleeding edge but it doesn't because it functions completely differently and there haven't been any direct comparisons between the two. I feel like those feats kind of debunk all the statements about Iron Man not having the damage output to put down Hulk/Thor(Bleeding edge alone did well against both of them). Fair enough on Absorbing Man though, to be fair Iron Man is pretty far away from street level(outside of MCU and Avengers Assemble where he's portrayed closer to Captain America level).
I actually did forget Tony had access to the negative zone. He should be able to defeat most opponents with a device to BFR people there.
Yeah, but Donald Blake and Jane Foster and all of those people get Thor's powers from touching Mjolnir. The genetic disruptor can't make Thor unworthy. In terms of Unworthy Thor, I guess it could possibly reduce Thor's physical stats. IIRC, the weather manipulation satellites stopped Thor from controlling the weather on Earth, not from being able to generate his own lightning which he can also do
I'm not going to argue about whether or not he would affect worthy Thor. The OP says unworthy Thor and he doesn't get his powers from Mjolnir. He might still retain control of lightning since that's mystical, but I see no reason why his stats wouldn't be reduced and get fodderized like it did to Ares:
Thor could blast or generate lightning from his body, but he wouldn't be able to summon it from the skies or use any of the other weather against Stark. The weather satellites proved that when they are in effect his control over the weather on Earth goes away. Otherwise he'd use his own generated weather to cancel out the satellite generated ones. These weather attacks would probably distract him too since he'd get confused and would stubbornly attempt to keep trying to control it or make it stop. Especially since Tony could send tornadoes, hurricanes, lightning, etc. in Thor's direction.
As for the WWHbuster, I've used that feat before but a lot of Hulk debaters say Hulk was holding back against Tony (and everyone else except for Sentry) so you can't fully scale it's durability or striking force to WWH. I'm not too clear on that point myself though. Either way, I don't think the WWHbuster actually did any damage to Hulk, though it did take a solid few hits until Hulk dropped Avengers Tower on it. The only way it could put down Thor is if we used that scan as a way to scale its striking power as equal to WWH, but, like I said, I think that might be questionable.
Yes the Hulk fanboys really love to remind everyone that Banner held back in that story, but he also held back against Doc Samson, Hercules, Thing, She-Hulk, Skrullbolt, etc., yet he fodderized all of them all the same. In some cases, with one hit. The Hulk-Buster cancelling out a holding back WWH's punch is impressive because punches like that were powerful enough to bloody/bruise Hercules in 2-3 hits. Hercules has similar durability as Thor.
As for the World War Hulk-Buster not doing any damage, I think it actually did a lot more in other comics as retellings of Pak's writing. After Tony punches him through buildings and across the city, we actually see the guy reeling, bleeding, and saying "hnh" as he lays there and recovers.
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