Iron Man runs the Fantastic Four gauntlet

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Bleeding Edge Iron Man

1. Mr. Fantastic

2. Human Torch

3. Thing

4. Invisible Woman

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Stops at 3.

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Can stop at 2, stops dead at 3.

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Stops at the Thing.

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Iron Man has tanked nukes before on much older armours, I highly doubt he has trouble with Mr. Fantastic or the Human Torch, maybe stops at 3 but there are some insane feats out there that don't make it as clear cut as the thread makes it out to be thus far.

I do highly doubt he would have troubles with Susan if someone can argue for him getting through no°3 tho.

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@yulack said:

Iron Man has tanked nukes before on much older armours, I highly doubt he has trouble with Mr. Fantastic or the Human Torch,

>tanking nukes

>useful agaisnt a guy who can output as much heat as the Sun

lol

maybe stops at 3 but there are some insane feats out there that don't make it as clear cut as the thread makes it out to be thus far.

No it's one-sided, Thing outclassess Iron Man significantly and Iron Man regularly gets his ass kicked both by him and his peers.

I do highly doubt he would have troubles with Susan if someone can argue for him getting through no°3 tho.

Sue would just crush him like a tin can. In fact, she already treated him like trash when she got pissed and attacked Avengers.

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Iron Man beats Reed. He’s not stomping Johnny, but he high-diffs him. Ben and Sue shouldn’t even be debatable.

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@doctordamn:

Ben No Sells a bullrush from Iron Man:

Iron Man vol.2 #3
Iron Man vol.2 #3

Iron Man literally knocks himself out when he accidently collided with Ben. And Ben was still conscious afterwards.

Marvel Feature #12

Bloodlusted mindcontrolled Iron Man can barely hurt Ben and gets restrained casually (and before you claim that he was still out from Hawkeye's arrow, we already see him squirming and trying to break free in 4th panel):

Avengers West Coast #75
Avengers West Coast #75

Bloodlusted Super-Adaptoid uses Iron Man's repulsors on Ben, and Ben casually tanks them:

Marvel Two-In-One #75
Marvel Two-In-One #75

In the same issue Ben knocks out Super-Adaptoid with combined powers of himself, Vision, Mar-Vell and Iron Man:

Tony in experimental armor that was going berserk can barely hurt Ben, has his punch no sold and is casually restrained:

Fantastic Four vol.3 #15

A Skrull who stole Iron Man's armor and was intent on murdering everyone can't even scratch Ben with double repulsors:

Iron Man vol.2 #12

Berserker Subterranian Armor can't even hurt Ben with a hit:

Iron Man vol.4 #12
Iron Man vol.4 #12

Stomped off-panel by Ben who was holding back :

Fantastic Four vol.3 #27

Iron Man stomped by War Machine:

Punsiher #228

Same War Machine who could barely do anything to Ben a couple of issues before:

Punisher #226

And that's not mentioning how Iron Man on multiple occasions performed worse against same opponents than Ben did.

Like the multiple times he couldn't do shit to Wonder Man, even admitting to be inferior to him:

Avengers #132, West Coast Avengers #10, Marvel Comics Presents #41

And got stomped by him twice (by having Wonder Man destroy his armor and two-shot him respectively):

Marvel Comics Presents #41, Marvel Comics Presents #43

Same goes for other Iron Man armors, like when Simon off-paneled Iron Patriot, no sold everything War Machine threw at him and was destroying multiple IM armors at once while no selling their shots:

Dark Reign: Lethal Legion #2, War Machine #8, Mighty Avengers #5

And even in his absolute best showing against Wonder Man, Iron Man has said that he "can't take much more of this" after getting hit by Simon a total of 3 times:

Wonder Man #2

All while Ben has... one-shot Wonder Man while holding back (Avengers West Coast #75, posted above), off-paneled ionic Wonder Man while holding back (Fantastic Four vol.3 #27, posted above), has beaten a mind-controlled bloodlusted Wonder Man while, once again, holding back (and tanking every shot):

Thing #5

Tanked every hit from bloodlusted mind-controlled Wonder Man on other occasion and fought him back while, once again, holding back and trying not to hurt him, and Wonder Man still complained that he felt like he was "playing catch with a cruise missle" and needed aspirin afterwards:

Marvel Two-In-One #78

And of course, tanked a hit from Wonder Man who was at the peak of his strength and was not thinking clear, and was only annoyed somewhat:

Wonder Man #15

Or that time when Iron Man couldn't scratch Rhino, admitted Rhino could take his punishment for a whole day, needed to use all of his strength just to hold him in one place and still only beat him by suffocating him:

Iron Man vol.1 #238

The same Rhino whose whole body was aching just from one blow from Ben and who got casually overpowered by him in two panels:

Thing #24

And same Rhino who was beaten by Ben in 5 minutes:

Amazing Spider-Man #700.3
Amazing Spider-Man #700.3

Or that time when Iron Man was stomped by Grey Hulk (2 times in fact - casually overpowered and one-shot):

The Order #3, Hulk Smash Avengers #4

The same Grey Hulk who Ben wrecked in their first fight. And the same Grey Hulk who could only win by tiring out an already exhausted Ben, using trickery to constantly sucker-punch him for an hour and half and almost drowning him (Fantastic Four #320 - Incredible Hulk #350). And the same Grey Hulk who, while bloodlusted, couldn't do shit to She-Thing:

Spider-Man/Fantastic Four #3

Who in turn just has a weaker version of Ben's powerset, has admitted that she's "nowhere near as strong as Thing" and got stomped by depowered Ben (who was wearing a suit that restored 90% of his strength) in a couple of hits:

Fantastic Four vol.1 #333, Fantastic Four vol.1 Annual #22

Or that time when Iron Man couldn't KO Bi-Beast and needed Thor to finish the job for him:

Thor #316

All while Ben... could.

Thing vol.2 #8

Or that time when Iron Man got stomped by Trapster glue, had his armor damaged and needed help to rid himself of it:

Iron Man Annual #12

While Ben had the superior version of said glue literally poured down his throat and all over his body and just flexed it off:

Hulk #19

Or that time when Iron Man couldn't even scratch Doom's forcefield:

Invincible Iron Man #2

Even with help from Wonder Man and Magneto:

Avengers The Children's Crusade #5
Avengers The Children's Crusade #5

And again, can't get through shields of Doom's outdated armor:

Iron Man Fatal Frontier #10

and again...

Avengers #156
Avengers #156

and again...

Super-Villain Team-Up #9
Super-Villain Team-Up #9

and again, with continuous repulsor barrage...

The Mighty Avengers #9

while Ben could stun Doom through his shields back in classic times:

FF vol.1 #157
FF vol.1 #157

And shattered them with two punches in modern times:

Infamous Iron Man #2-3

And of course, Iron Man can't overpower Doom and has his strongest blast pretty much no sold:

Iron Man vol.1 #149

Can't overpower Doom, even with repulsors firing from close range:

The Mighty Avengers #9

That's what happened right after, if you're curious.

Tanks getting slammed into wall with no damage and one-shots Iron Man with a blast:

Super-Villain Team-Up #9 - Avengers #155

No sells a hit from Iron Man:

Iron Man vol.2 #11
Iron Man vol.2 #11

4 hits from Doom's outtdated armor and Iron Man "can't take much more of this":

Iron Man Fatal Frontier #10

No sells double repulsors (but is KOed by cause unrelated to Iron Man):

Marvel Fanfare #44

My favourite one: IM can't do shit to Doom even when assisted by Thor, Giant-Man and Captain America:

All-New All-Different Avengers #15

Iron Man's golden armor can't damage a Doombot armor:

Iron Man the Armor Wars #2

Doombot stalemates Iron Man in a beam clash (reminder that Doombots are identical to Doom's regular armor, but weild only a fraction of original's power):

Iron Man Legacy #5

While Ben... oh boy. Tanks everything Doom throws at him, trashes his armor and breaks his arms:

Fantastic Four vol.1 #40

One-shots Doom:

Fantastic Four The World's Greatest Comic Magazine #12
Fantastic Four The World's Greatest Comic Magazine #12

No sells Doom's blast, overpowers him completely and was about to kill him... if not for outside intervention:

Fantastic Four vol.1 #350

No sells Doom's blast completely:

Iron Man vol.2 #11

Tanks repeated blasts from Doom while not at his best:

Fantastic Four vol.1 #361

Restrains Reed while the latter is wearing Doom's armor:

Fantastic Four vol.3 #31

Reed wearing Doom's armor doubts his forcefields and armor can withstand an assault of being with strength equal to Ben's:

Fantastic Four vol.3 #29
Fantastic Four vol.3 #29

Ben tanks a blast from Hunger; in the same issue Hunger completely destroys Doom's armor with a single blast (and Doom was amped at the moment too):

Fantastic Four vol. 1 #381

Snaps amped Doom's neck with a single hit:

Fantastic Four vol.3 #70

No sells blasts from dozens of alternate Dooms:

Fantastic Four vol.4 #9

Overpowers Doom with Silver Surfer's powers:

Fantastic Four vol.1 #60

Ben absolutely demolishes Dr. Doom who came from 75 years in the future, who had decades of prep and, in his future, faced Fantastic Four more powerful than the present one:

Fantastic Four vol.1 #551-553

While he does get trashed in return afterwards, it was still a Doom more powerful than 616 one and who had decades worth of prep... and yet he was wrecked in a one-sided beatdown and needed 3 pages for his armor to get repaired to fight back, something he only managed to do because Ben was busy monologuing (pretty weird for a hero to make a classic villain mistake, but oh well).

And finally, a gallery of Ben one-shotting Doombots:

FF #350, FF Annual #20, FF #156, Marvel Super Hero Island Adventures, FF #5, FF #246, FF vol.3 #31, FF #536/537, Fantastic Four Special

The scan from FF #246 is also relevant because that Doombot was more powerful than the real Doom, yet Ben still one-shot him when he stopped holding back:

Or that time when Iron Man in Hulkbuster Armor couldn't even extract a grunt from Professor Hulk and at best could knock him off his feet. All while Hulk was barely fighting back:

Iron Man #305

While Ben was ragdolling him, made him scream in pain and dislodged his molar, as well as tanked his hits when Prof. was actually fighting back:

Fantastic Four Unlimited#4

Or that time when Iron Man had his armor damaged by one hit from Wrecker (who was at the time sharing his power with the rest of Wrecking Crew):

Secret Wars #8
Secret Wars #8

His armor got wrecked even worse when he faced full power Wrecker, and he couldn't do anything to Wrecker with either physicals or repulsors and only won by charging his crowbar with magnetic force:

Iron Man #251

And on another occasion couldn't beat Wrecker who was sharing his powers with WC with repulsors or physicals, got his arm damaged by a single crowbar toss and only managed to KO him with Namor's help:

Marvel Team-Up vol.2 #11

While Ben managed to tank a massive beatdown from Wrecker who had the full power of Wrecking Crew, overpowered him and knocked him out cold:

FF vol.1 #355

Humiliates Wrecker who may or may not have had the full power of WC after tanking hits from him with no damage:

Startling Stories: The Thing

As for Wrecker who is sharing his power with WC? Ben almost killed him once without any effort and one-shot on another occasion:

Sentry: Fallen Sun, The Thing: Freakshow #1

Or that time when Ronan no sold everything Iron Man threw at him, to the point he resorted to self-destruction:

Iron Man vol.1 #279

Same Ronan who was hurt and screaming in pain after hits from casual Ben:

Annihilators Earthfall #2
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@wetworksinc:

Nuke > Sun, as remarked by Wetworksinc (fact is, when I was writing it up I was going to write "Iron Man can probably tank the sun" but then I remembered the scans that get thrown around here constantly of him tanking a Nuke in one of his classic Armors.

I think Iron Man v.s. Sue is about who reacts first and the distance between them, I.M could easily get the drop on her with a missile without him even being in her FOV. I am fully confident in that armor speed blitzing her, and from range, he has enough fire power to go through her shields and a counter to invisibility.

Sue v.s Tony Is certainly not as clear-cut as Thing beating some iterations of Hulk v.s. Hulk dismantling Hulk-Buster every time that showdown has occurred.

I will not rule out that there are probably some armors that can give "The Thing" a run for its money, but Bleeding Edge is not one of them unless someone more knowledgeable can say otherwise.

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@doctordamn: moron. The temperature generated by a nuke lasts for a short amount of time while Sun pumps out the heat for literally millions of years non-stop. In 1 second Sun generates 3.8e26 joules worth of energy, while Tsar Bomba, the biggest nuke in existence, generates 50 megatons aka 2.092e17 joules in total. In other words, in 1 second Sun produces as much energy as x1816443594 most powerful nukes invented by mankind.

https://www.gocamsolar.com/blog/how-much-energy-does-sun-generate

So here's an advice: if you don't know shit about what you're talking about, stay silent and don't embarass yourself.

Lol at Iron Man having any chance to clear.

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Stops at two.

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@doctordamn: You're wasting your time arguing for a character like Iron Man.

The Bleeding Edge armor isn't even that strong as people make it out to be. It's as strong as his older armors too. I mean if you look at it, his older armors have better quantifiable feats than his modern ones. Some of his modern armors are also shown to be downgrades to his older ones.

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@yulack: I already adressed the "nuke > Sun" idiocy, not going to repeat myself.

Stark isn't fast enough to blitz slow ass bricks and street tiers, he isn't blitzing shit, and he isn't even denting shields that has already blocked the combined offense from him, Vision, Nova Prime, Carol Danvers, War Machine, Black Panther and Odinforce Thor. Iron Man is nothing but a bug on a windshield to Sue.

None of Iron Man's armors can "give Thing a run for their money" period.

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Iron Man stops at 'The Thing'. I never advocated for a clear, I merely suggested that I was open to changing my mind if someone came to be the wiser. My Sue argument is merely a hypothetical - I am well aware that she scales to Celestials and that Tony has 0 chance if it isn't some kind of drop or blitz (a.k.a he ends the fight before it even starts).

Don't go around calling people names for literally no reason. I will also correct him and myself; Iron man didn't tank a nuke he tanked multiple (4) alongside other chemical weapons and everything the hellicarrier could throw at 2% power on an inferior armor without taking damage.

I will die on the hill that Iron Man can take Human Torch and that he has the capabilities and speed to inflict lethal damage on Sue in the right scenario (if OP was more specific as to how the fight starts, etc. You could start building a case for either) If we use the standard "Fight takes place 50m away from each other at X" she takes it every time since I doubt he has a counter to his head literally fcking exploding.

We can lock it now as everyone should universally agree that Modern Day The Thing (Or a Thing contemporary to Bleeding Edge kinda stomps.

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What all the Grimmlins have forsaken to mention is Stark's potent employment of gaseous attacks, which would directly exploit Grimm's dependency upon Oxygen.

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The good ol' Doc Doom already dropped Grimm like a bad habit by utilizing this precise tactic.

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@doctordamn: yes, you are a moron, cuz you tried to look smart with your nuke > Sun nonsense and then got embarassed. A nuke to Sun is like an ant to a blue whale. Incomparable. Cope, dumbass.

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This is so pathetic.

OT: Stops at 3. Tony would beat Sue tho.

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#29  Edited By Lilbroomstick

CV toxic AF as usual especially when it comes to Thing so I hope an alt doesn't stalk me this time lol

  1. Stomps
  2. Should win pretty easily (could change though)
  3. Skipping this one. I mean Thing oneshots every single armor Tony has built simultaneously. Case closed.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  4. Really depends on their mindsets. Obviously Sue can beat him but in some scenarios I could see Tony blitzing or even getting through her shields. Lowkey backing Iron Man for a majority if she isn't bloodlusted.
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Stops hard at Thing.