Invisible Woman and Zatanna vs Storm and Scarlet Witch
Takes place in NYC with no population. All at average power levels. Win by KO or Kill. However, all women are under stress and pressure, having a gut feeling to get to their friends due to a fear for their health, so all women are "rushed."
Who wins in this brawl ?
team 1 easy. sue can beat storm and zatanna beats sw. Scarlets got a 35% her powers will flop...she looses.........
Team two, Storm and Scarlet Witch is just like epic slaughter to team one.
Scarlet Witch can shift the odds against Zatanna's spell while Storm.... I'll let the fan boys explain.
" @EpitomeofCool said:"team 1 easy. sue can beat storm and zatanna beats sw. Scarlets got a 35% her powers will flop...she looses.........""
" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first.
" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels...
" @pcbh168 said:She's not as powerful as Magneto. I meant Storm can summon her lightning just as fast as Zatanna can say her spells." @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
" @pcbh168 said:Deathstroke took her out before she can finish her spell." @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168 said:Deathstroke took her out before she can finish her spell. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
Okay ? Zatanna is under Sue's shields, whats getting her in there ? Sue's shields are strong enough to hold off Storm and Scarlet Witch's attacks while Zatanna does attack.
" @Fire Star said:Agreed invisible woman is my favourite here, but wanda can do that and zatanna has to think and then speak, storm just thinks and when shes in a rush it will be instant." @pcbh168 said:She's not as powerful as Magneto. I meant Storm can summon her lightning just as fast as Zatanna can say her spells. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
" @Charmix said:Probability, thats the tricky part of it, Scarlet Witch can shift the odds of it, the possibilities are limitless. And her holding off Storm's attack would cause Sue to struggle with strain before she gives in." @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168 said:Deathstroke took her out before she can finish her spell. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
Okay ? Zatanna is under Sue's shields, whats getting her in there ? Sue's shields are strong enough to hold off Storm and Scarlet Witch's attacks while Zatanna does attack. "
" @pcbh168 said:" @Fire Star said:Agreed invisible woman is my favourite here, but wanda can do that and zatanna has to think and then speak, storm just thinks and when shes in a rush it will be instant. "" @pcbh168 said:She's not as powerful as Magneto. I meant Storm can summon her lightning just as fast as Zatanna can say her spells. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
Invisible Woman can pull her shields up for Storm. Then, not seconds later Zatanna says her spells...
" @Fire Star said:" @Charmix said:Probability, thats the tricky part of it, Scarlet Witch can shift the odds of it, the possibilities are limitless. And her holding off Storm's attack would cause Sue to struggle with strain before she gives in. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168 said:Deathstroke took her out before she can finish her spell. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
Okay ? Zatanna is under Sue's shields, whats getting her in there ? Sue's shields are strong enough to hold off Storm and Scarlet Witch's attacks while Zatanna does attack. "
This is all true, but from my understanding Wanda's probability power only works roughly 30% of the time ? Sue would only have to hold off Storm for a short amount of time.
" @marvellover1 said:Wanda can cancel forcefields and she could also even the odds with zatanna spells also storm can cause wind and lighting at an instant they would get beaten here." @pcbh168 said:Invisible Woman can pull her shields up for Storm. Then, not seconds later Zatanna says her spells... "" @Fire Star said:Agreed invisible woman is my favourite here, but wanda can do that and zatanna has to think and then speak, storm just thinks and when shes in a rush it will be instant. "" @pcbh168 said:She's not as powerful as Magneto. I meant Storm can summon her lightning just as fast as Zatanna can say her spells. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
" @Fire Star said:" @marvellover1 said:Wanda can cancel forcefields and she could also even the odds with zatanna spells also storm can cause wind and lighting at an instant they would get beaten here. "" @pcbh168 said:Invisible Woman can pull her shields up for Storm. Then, not seconds later Zatanna says her spells... "" @Fire Star said:Agreed invisible woman is my favourite here, but wanda can do that and zatanna has to think and then speak, storm just thinks and when shes in a rush it will be instant. "" @pcbh168 said:She's not as powerful as Magneto. I meant Storm can summon her lightning just as fast as Zatanna can say her spells. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
Thats again not certain. Sue's shields have taken more than Storm's attacks.
" @Charmix said:Storm can attack from the inside..lol" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168 said:Deathstroke took her out before she can finish her spell. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
Okay ? Zatanna is under Sue's shields, whats getting her in there ? Sue's shields are strong enough to hold off Storm and Scarlet Witch's attacks while Zatanna does attack. "
" @Fire Star said:" @Charmix said:Storm can attack from the inside..lol "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168 said:Deathstroke took her out before she can finish her spell. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
Okay ? Zatanna is under Sue's shields, whats getting her in there ? Sue's shields are strong enough to hold off Storm and Scarlet Witch's attacks while Zatanna does attack. "
Scans ? Not to mention IW just makes them invisible.
" @Aqua11500 said:
Scans ? Not to mention IW just makes them invisible. "" @Fire Star said:
" @Charmix said:Storm can attack from the inside..lol "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168 said:Deathstroke took her out before she can finish her spell. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
Okay ? Zatanna is under Sue's shields, whats getting her in there ? Sue's shields are strong enough to hold off Storm and Scarlet Witch's attacks while Zatanna does attack. "
If Storm can use her powers from the inside her shields,then whats stopping her from using them on the outside? Now Sue's shields are suppose to block majority of psionics,but yet Storm,Magneto etc have been shown to get through to them. Crystal once manipulated the air in Sue's shield forcing her to open it for air.
So yeah...BTW being invisible will NOT help,Storm can see in pure energy,and she has bent light herself by using a combination of mist and light.
" @Charmix said:No thats not a problem anymore, since her current power level is manipulating chaos magic to affect probability. Even if theres a 30% chance, it would most likely goes to her favor." @Fire Star said:This is all true, but from my understanding Wanda's probability power only works roughly 30% of the time ? Sue would only have to hold off Storm for a short amount of time. "" @Charmix said:Probability, thats the tricky part of it, Scarlet Witch can shift the odds of it, the possibilities are limitless. And her holding off Storm's attack would cause Sue to struggle with strain before she gives in. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168 said:Deathstroke took her out before she can finish her spell. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
Okay ? Zatanna is under Sue's shields, whats getting her in there ? Sue's shields are strong enough to hold off Storm and Scarlet Witch's attacks while Zatanna does attack. "
That scan shows her using wind to weaken there fall, I don't see anywhere where she uses it inside of Sue's shield. Not the same thing. And yet, IW can still block Storm's attacks, at least for a short time. Enough for Zatanna to use her spells, plus, Scarlet Witch will be confused for a bit, giving Team1 the needed time to strike. All this happens within seconds...
" @Fire Star said:nice scan ;) and here's the actual Crystal one =]" @Aqua11500 said:
Scans ? Not to mention IW just makes them invisible. "" @Fire Star said:
" @Charmix said:Storm can attack from the inside..lol "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168 said:Deathstroke took her out before she can finish her spell. "" @Fire Star said:" @pcbh168: Her hexes aren't 100% accurate. Plus, Sue's shields are different from Magneto's, not to mention Zatanna needs less than a second to say a spell, Sue can surely hold off the other two for that long. "Magneto is very powerful, so if Wanda can stop his force fields, I don't think she'd have any problem with Sue's. Storm can summon her lightning just as fast, so it would depend on who acted first. "
Sue is also very powerful, so stating Magneto is powerful isn't a valid argument. Again, different force fields. Not really, one lightning strike can't take out Sue's shields, and Storm can be taken out with a simple peels... "
Okay ? Zatanna is under Sue's shields, whats getting her in there ? Sue's shields are strong enough to hold off Storm and Scarlet Witch's attacks while Zatanna does attack. "
If Storm can use her powers from the inside her shields,then whats stopping her from using them on the outside? Now Sue's shields are suppose to block majority of psionics,but yet Storm,Magneto etc have been shown to get through to them. Crystal once manipulated the air in Sue's shield forcing her to open it for air.
So yeah...BTW being invisible will NOT help,Storm can see in pure energy,and she has bent light herself by using a combination of mist and light. "
. Crystal once manipulated the air in Sue's shield forcing her to open it for air.I've seen the scan you're referring to. I don't think it can be used until further study...
" @Charmix: I see. I still see a chance for Team 1, they have the power to do it. "same here but since its "rushed" I give it to team two :/
@Son Of Storm said:
" @Aqua11500 said:does Storm's air manipulation work on a molecular level?. Crystal once manipulated the air in Sue's shield forcing her to open it for air.I've seen the scan you're referring to. I don't think it can be used until further study... "
"Yes.
@Son Of Storm said:" @Aqua11500 said:does Storm's air manipulation work on a molecular level? ". Crystal once manipulated the air in Sue's shield forcing her to open it for air.I've seen the scan you're referring to. I don't think it can be used until further study... "
" @Charmix said:then the Crystal explanation works =]"Yes. "
@Son Of Storm said:" @Aqua11500 said:does Storm's air manipulation work on a molecular level? ". Crystal once manipulated the air in Sue's shield forcing her to open it for air.I've seen the scan you're referring to. I don't think it can be used until further study... "
" @Fire Star said:IW also does some crazy things under pressure." @Charmix: I see. I still see a chance for Team 1, they have the power to do it. "same here but since its "rushed" I give it to team two :/
@Son Of Storm said:" @Aqua11500 said:does Storm's air manipulation work on a molecular level? ". Crystal once manipulated the air in Sue's shield forcing her to open it for air.I've seen the scan you're referring to. I don't think it can be used until further study... "
@pcbh168 said:
"Well it looks like Invisible Woman is the weakest in the battle: Wanda and Storm can stop her force field, which is her most powerful ability. "
IW isn't the weakest, not even close.
" @Charmix: YAY for Charmix!!!!!!!Wohooo thank you !
* Cheerleader voice* GOOO CHARMIX!!!!!! "
high fives!
Yay team Charmix and Aqua :D
" @Charmix said:yes but with her out of the fields, then team two can administer their attacks, Storm is a major character in this battle." @Fire Star said:IW also does some crazy things under pressure." @Charmix: I see. I still see a chance for Team 1, they have the power to do it. "same here but since its "rushed" I give it to team two :/
@Son Of Storm said:" @Aqua11500 said:does Storm's air manipulation work on a molecular level? ". Crystal once manipulated the air in Sue's shield forcing her to open it for air.I've seen the scan you're referring to. I don't think it can be used until further study... "
I just explained how she is the weakest; her force field is her most powerful ability, Zatanna, Storm and Scarlet Witch all have the power to stop it, so she's the weakest.
@pcbh168 said:"Well it looks like Invisible Woman is the weakest in the battle: Wanda and Storm can stop her force field, which is her most powerful ability. "IW isn't the weakest, not even close. "
" @Fire Star said:I just explained how she is the weakest; her force field is her most powerful ability, Zatanna, Storm and Scarlet Witch all have the power to stop it, so she's the weakest. "
@pcbh168 said:"Well it looks like Invisible Woman is the weakest in the battle: Wanda and Storm can stop her force field, which is her most powerful ability. "IW isn't the weakest, not even close. "
Scarlet Witch ? Zatanna is on her team, so logically that doesn't make sense. You really diidn't explain anything, you just stated. I still have yet to see Storm do anyting on the level of breaking Sue's shield...
@Charmix
Actually the only reason I said it warrants further study is simply because IW shield has shown multiple times to block out psionic manipulation of the environment of her shield. And she has control over the environment in her shield as proven each time HT goes supernova and other instances. The Crystal "situation" was only seen once. And just as easily could have been an instance of bad writing.I personally wouldn't want to make my case on CIS/PIS scans but hey.....
" @Charmix: Of course. However, I still have my doubts about the scan, and the process. Invisiblity can distract Wanda, and even if Storm were to take Sue out of her shield, that leaves Zatanna open to attack Storm, Team 2's heaviest hitter. "Yes Sue can blind Wanda, but Storm would be there to help and stop Sue, Storm can attack people simultaneously, so Zatanna would either have to speak a quick spell or deal what's about to come from Storm, which is mostly a combination of winds and lightning moving at quick speed.
I know Zatanna is on her team. I was just saying her force fields can be stopped by everyone in the battle; they have the power to stop her force fields and without them, she gets defeated easily." @pcbh168 said:
" @Fire Star said:I just explained how she is the weakest; her force field is her most powerful ability, Zatanna, Storm and Scarlet Witch all have the power to stop it, so she's the weakest. "@pcbh168
said:"Well it looks like Invisible Woman is the weakest in the battle: Wanda and Storm can stop her force field, which is her most powerful ability. "IW isn't the weakest, not even close. "
Scarlet Witch ? Zatanna is on her team, so logically that doesn't make sense. You really diidn't explain anything, you just stated. I still have yet to see Storm do anyting on the level of breaking Sue's shield... "
" @Aqua11500
@Charmix
Actually the only reason I said it warrants further study is simply because IW shield has shown multiple times to block out psionic manipulation of the environment of her shield. And she has control over the environment in her shield as proven each time HT goes supernova and other instances. The Crystal "situation" was only seen once. And just as easily could have been an instance of bad writing.I personally wouldn't want to make my case on CIS/PIS scans but hey..... "
Exactly. Several times Sue has output such forces, and Johnny was using heat much hotter than Crystal was emitting, so to fathom that is is possible compared to Johnny's heat is out of the question, I understand how it may be valid, but I also see how it very well may not be.
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