Wanda and Sue vs Magneto & Jean
current base forms for all
Round 1 - morals on
Round 2 - morals off
location - start at opposite ends of the avengers facility
Wanda and Sue vs Magneto & Jean
current base forms for all
Round 1 - morals on
Round 2 - morals off
location - start at opposite ends of the avengers facility
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Although Sue can block some levels of TP I'm not confident she can block TP on Jean's level (I could be wrong) and due to the battlefield Jean could attack Sue and Wanda via TP before they could locate and attack Jean and Erik.
If both teams started within eyesight it would be more fair fight.
Although Sue can block some levels of TP I'm not confident she can block TP on Jean's level (I could be wrong) and due to the battlefield Jean could attack Sue and Wanda via TP before they could locate and attack Jean and Erik.
If both teams started within eyesight it would be more fair fight.
oh for the sake of this fight, assume they can see each other. by opposite ends I mean something like this. the teams are the 2 blue dots. they're far apart but can see each other
Although Sue can block some levels of TP I'm not confident she can block TP on Jean's level (I could be wrong) and due to the battlefield Jean could attack Sue and Wanda via TP before they could locate and attack Jean and Erik.
If both teams started within eyesight it would be more fair fight.
oh for the sake of this fight, assume they can see each other. by opposite ends I mean something like this. the teams are the 2 blue dots
In that case Sue could KO Jean before she reacts via better reflexes and instinctive power activation.
Sue and Wanda can then 2v1 Erik.
So... All I know is Jean isn't dropping Wanda and IDK how good Sue's TP resistance is I've seen dozens of different arguments but I'm not sure.
I honestly don't know , either Jean drops Sue or Sue blitzes her , then whoever's left gets beaten in a 2v1
So... All I know is Jean isn't dropping Wanda and IDK how good Sue's TP resistance is I've seen dozens of different arguments but I'm not sure.
I honestly don't know , either Jean drops Sue or Sue blitzes her , then whoever's left gets beaten in a 2v1
I agree but why can't Jean drop Wanda via TP?
@scarlet_wiccan: Unless Wanda's off guard , her Psy shields can hold out against Jean long enough for either her or Sue to take Jean out.
@scarlet_wiccan: Unless Wanda's off guard , her Psy shields can hold out against Jean long enough for either her or Sue to take Jean out.
Oh, I know she has psi-shields but I didn't think they'd be able to keep out someone like Jean.
What feats does her psi-shields have?
@scarlet_wiccan: Unless Wanda's off guard , her Psy shields can hold out against Jean long enough for either her or Sue to take Jean out.
Oh, I know she has psi-shields but I didn't think they'd be able to keep out someone like Jean.
What feats does her psi-shields have?
You can see the discussion of Wanda's psychic defences here: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/best-of-7-jean-grey-vs-scarlet-witch-2266892/
@godlyshinigami: Yes she is. Jean can think her to sleep. Jean is only not in your mind because she screens. As evidenced by Teen Jean, if her tp is on you need to be shielded, expertly, at all times. Her tp is always on.
@scarlet_wiccan: you are not wrong and your confidence is at the right level. Sue can't block Jean. Or Emma or Xavier or I don't know pick someone we'll see.
Yes she is. Jean can think her to sleep.
She can , but not instantly , it will take Jean quite a lot of time to get through Wanda's defences , during that time Both Wanda and Sue have an opening to take Jean out.
@scarlet_wiccan: Unless Wanda's off guard , her Psy shields can hold out against Jean long enough for either her or Sue to take Jean out.
Oh, I know she has psi-shields but I didn't think they'd be able to keep out someone like Jean.
What feats does her psi-shields have?
Here are Some:
1/2) While insane and mentally frail Wanda resits Xavier attempting to put her to sleep and even mkes his nose bleed. Note: Charles uses both his TP as well as drugs to try and put her to sleep but even while using both he has to exert himeself to the point that he begins to bleed.
3/4) While still mentally frail Wanda resists and blocks out Dr Strange (Strange also notes that what he's facing is nothing Charles can deal with)
5) Wanda resists a command from Red Onslaught
6/7) Wanda resists the Serpent Crown (A Character who could affect a continent with his mind hax)
Something quite a lof of people don't seem to get (and TBH I was also guilty of this , but after reading about her more , I've come to this realization) Wanda's Psy shields aren't passive , they aren't constantly active , she has to activatevly chose to resist a telepath
Lets look at Wanda's "TP Anti-feats"
1) Gets mind controlled by Red Skull. Wanda is clearly not trying to resist Red Skull here as they were in the middle of a conversation she was also likely caught offguard by Red Skull as he isn't known for having psychic abilities.
2) Red Onslaught Controls her. In this scan Wanda is clearly distracted , notice how Red Onslauight tells Wanda to stop fighting and begins to distract her by talking about her father and children and once she's stopped fighting and is distraceted he then begins to control her. But even after all that Wanda still resits him moments Later:
3) Emma knocks out Wanda. Wanda's clearly not trying to resist Emma here , she was also offguard as she was literally in the middle of a conversation before she got hit:
4) Jean reads Wanda's mind. Not only is this not offensive TP but more importantly Wanda is not even trying to fight back against Jean it's made pretty clear throughout the Story that the Avengers aren't even trying to fight the Young X-men. So it isn't even a combat feat.
Overal it's pretty clear that Jean won't be able to get through Wanda's defences without an insane amount of effort and struggle. In character she wouldn't try and distract Wanda by having a convo with her nor will she get the chance to sneak attack Wanda. (Unless she's fighting Mags) During the time in which Jean is trying to get through Wanda's defences she's more than open to being beaten by either Wanda or Sue as her TK isn't potent enough to compete with either
You can see the discussion of Wanda's psychic defences here:https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/best-of-7-jean-grey-vs-scarlet-witch-2266892/
@geekryan The arguments made in that thread are just meh...
@scarlet_wiccan: Unless Wanda's off guard , her Psy shields can hold out against Jean long enough for either her or Sue to take Jean out.
Oh, I know she has psi-shields but I didn't think they'd be able to keep out someone like Jean.
What feats does her psi-shields have?
Here are Some:
1/2) While insane and mentally frail Wanda resits Xavier attempting to put her to sleep and even mkes his nose bleed. Note: Charles uses both his TP as well as drugs to try and put her to sleep but even while using both he has to exert himeself to the point that he begins to bleed.
3/4) While still mentally frail Wanda resists and blocks out Dr Strange (Strange also notes that what he's facing is nothing Charles can deal with)
5) Wanda resists a command from Red Onslaught
6/7) Wanda resists the Serpent Crown (A Character who could affect a continent with his mind hax)
Something quite a lof of people don't seem to get (and TBH I was also guilty of this , but after reading about her more , I've come to this realization) Wanda's Psy shields aren't passive , they aren't constantly active , she has to activatevly chose to resist a telepath
Lets look at Wanda's "TP Anti-feats"
1) Gets mind controlled by Red Skull. Wanda is clearly not trying to resist Red Skull here as they were in the middle of a conversation she was also likely caught offguard by Red Skull as he isn't known for having psychic abilities.
2) Red Onslaught Controls her. In this scan Wanda is clearly distracted , notice how Red Onslauight tells Wanda to stop fighting and begins to distract her by talking about her father and children and once she's stopped fighting and is distraceted he then begins to control her. But even after all that Wanda still resits him moments Later:
3) Emma knocks out Wanda. Wanda's clearly not trying to resist Emma here , she was also offguard as she was literally in the middle of a conversation before she got hit:
4) Jean reads Wanda's mind. Not only is this not offensive TP but more importantly Wanda is not even trying to fight back against Jean it's made pretty clear throughout the Story that the Avengers aren't even trying to fight the Young X-men. So it isn't even a combat feat.
Overal it's pretty clear that Jean won't be able to get through Wanda's defences without an insane amount of effort and struggle. In character she wouldn't try and distract Wanda by having a convo with her nor will she get the chance to sneak attack Wanda. (Unless she's fighting Mags) During the time in which Jean is trying to get through Wanda's defences she's more than open to being beaten by either Wanda or Sue as her TK isn't potent enough to compete with either
You can see the discussion of Wanda's psychic defences here:https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/best-of-7-jean-grey-vs-scarlet-witch-2266892/
@geekryan The arguments made in that thread are just meh...
You 2 are doing a CaV right? I think it would be more fun if you guys just carried over this argument there. I didn't know you guys were gonna do a CaV .I would have held off on more wanda vs jean stuff if I knew, my bad. looking forward to it. should be fun
@godlyshinigami: no it won't.
@godlyshinigami: no it won't.
Feats say otherwise...
@godlyshinigami: Yes she is. Jean can think her to sleep. Jean is only not in your mind because she screens. As evidenced by Teen Jean, if her tp is on you need to be shielded, expertly, at all times. Her tp is always on.
@scarlet_wiccan: you are not wrong and your confidence is at the right level. Sue can't block Jean. Or Emma or Xavier or I don't know pick someone we'll see.
Sue has successfully blocked Psi-Lord and Psycho Man's TP with no anti-feats of ever trying to block a telepath but failing but she has yet to block a telepath on Jean's level that's why I'm not arguing that Sue can block all levels of TP.
But Sue can attack Jean before she can react since Sue's powers have consistently activated without a conscious thought while Jean needs to think first in order to activate her powers.
@scarlet_wiccan: get out of here with this old ass bullshit. Sue needs psi protection as of now even if I believed your out of context bullshit.
@scarlet_wiccan: get out of here with this old ass bullshit. Sue needs psi protection as of now even if I believed your out of context bullshit.
How is it out of context though? Sue was aware Psi-Lord and Psycho Man were both telepaths so she used her force field to prevent them from affecting her mind via telepathy and this is also stated by her Handbook Write-up that has input from comic writer John Byrne.
Emma psi-linking through her force field isn't an anti-feat since Sue's standard force fields don't block most stuff she has to actively choose to block certain stuff like sound, light, telekinesis, telepathy, ect.
You're still ignoring Sue's much better reflexes which is crucial here since both parties can oneshot each other depending who strikes first.
@scarlet_wiccan: GET OUT OF HERE WITH THIS OLD ASS OUT OF CONTEXT BULLSHIT. I' m not the rest of these mutha fuckas. I'm not ringing around the rosey with your circular nonsense.
@scarlet_wiccan: GET OUT OF HERE WITH THIS OLD ASS OUT OF CONTEXT BULLSHIT. I' m not the rest of these mutha fuckas. I'm not ringing around the rosey with your circular nonsense.
Why are you being rude? I'm not even arguing that Sue can block Jean's TP I'm saying Sue can block some degree of TP (something Pyro has agreed to) but my main point is about Sue having better attack speed than Jean's reaction speed which means she can attack Jean before she can react.
@scarlet_wiccan: Rude? Lmao! You wish that was me being rude. I'm not with your copy and paste debating style, with old out of context bullshit
Soooooo, GET OUT OF HERE WITH (you know the rest)
@scarlet_wiccan: Rude? Lmao! You wish that was me being rude. I'm not with your copy and paste debating style, with old out of context bullshit
Soooooo, GET OUT OF HERE WITH (you know the rest)
By out of context do you mean doesn't fit your head canon? By all means inform me on what exactly is out of context.
Also is it illegal to copy and paste from my own respec thread?
It's funny how people say something is out of context when it doesn't fit their narrative.
I take it you haven't ever used any feats from past comics when debating?
I can't help some characters where useless in the "old" comics so you like to pretend they didn't happen, They are in fact canon
I can't help some characters where useless in the "old" comics so you like to pretend they didn't happen, They are in fact canon
The shade......
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