Invincible and Omni man vs Raditz

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Omni man and invincible from the comics

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Either of the father and son solo.

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Depends how you scale Raditz etc

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Raditz farts on fodders

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Raditz solo them

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@altlord said:

Raditz farts on fodders

Altlord ? Where you been at all these times

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#10  Edited By sirfizzwhizz

Raditz gets destroyed, he can't even lift a 100 tons lol.

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DBZ anime. :35 second mark. "Two tons a piece" impresses south Kai. "10 tons a piece I wont be able to move." Goku's own words.

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Manga translations I found state Buu ark Goku could not really deal with 40 tons. Buu ark Goku > Raditz by miles.

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Far weaker than Omni Man, early era Mark began work out routines to increase his power by benching 400 tons daily. God Raditz is so weak.......

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@sirfizzwhizz: why does that matter? Lifting strength can be a factor to overall power, it doesn't dictate AP tho

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#12  Edited By sirfizzwhizz
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@sirfizzwhizz: why does that matter? Lifting strength can be a factor to overall power, it doesn't dictate AP tho

AP huh, this is base on what exactly? How DB characters can tank planet explosion and in turn take damage in punches? Energy attacks durability =/= AP Durability to physical attacks and DB has very much no impressive Physical attack unlike Viltrumites flying lightspeeds through layers of a planet, including the super dense destabilize core of Viltrum. With no damage to their bodies.

I forget, show me DBZ durability to physical attacks outside some mountains thrown at them or flying through them? Meanwhile Raditz has no physical attacks to matter, and his moon busting energy attacks alone is not cutting it.

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Yield :9.56 petatons

Distance Invincible was from the nuke : (Around) 0.5m

Surface Area of a sphere : 4πr^2: 4*π*1^2 = 3.14m^2 ~ rounded down

Intensity :Power(yield)/(Surface)area= 3 petatons ~ rounded down

Cross-Sectional Area: Body Surface Area/2 = 2.19m^2

Total yield energy taken by character : Intensity * Cross-Sectional Area = 6.57 petatons (Multi-Continental level)

Or how Liefeld Supreme vision can and did one shot moon size space fortresses. Said fortress ship was so large to be a "World onto itself" and worked by breaking worlds down.

Supreme Stare with Temperatures stated burn as hot as the sun in heat.

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Yet Omni Man tank them fine.

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Oh what about KI. You will surely claim the Ki Energy attacks they tank is proof of Durability but then thats DIRECTLY COUNTERED by heat energy by passing this durability? YET, Dragon Ball characters are super weak to sun like temperatures. Way more so than Invincible ever shown to be.

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Goku was afraid of lava as SSJ, needing specifically a shown Ki field to save himself with King Kai crying out for Goku too. How liquid heated material threaten even SSB Goku and Vegeta in DBS films? Even Universe busting DBS Goku? Who is harmed by Magma core of Earth? Ki Shield or not?

Doesnt harm Mark or even the vastly weaker Immortal in any way.

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Goku btw is HUNDREDS times stronger than Raditz at this point. Yet Invincible characters energy wise can tank Solar Flare/Ejections fine.

These are but a handful of pages. In 23 pages total Thragg and Invincible fight through the Corona Sphere and onto the Sun Surface. first 5 pages of the fight take place in the Corona Sphere which has temperatures 2,000,000° F. Next 18 pages take place on the Sun's Surface with is 9,940° F. It was not until few pages later Invincible dunk Thragg past the sun's surface, where they both start to burn badly. They continue to fight and burn 12 more pages before Thragg burns! Add to this feat of Temperatures, is the Solar Flares. View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9owdmL2UWQSolar Flares are stated by the Science Channel to erupt at speeds of 4.5 million mph, and with the force of thousands (low end) to millions (higher end) modern day nukes. Thragg and Mark tank this. Multiple times. While their Smart Atoms were breaking down from sun temps.

Give me this Raditz durability can withstand AP punches and bull rushes of Invincible characters or Raditz weak as shit punches and physical attacks harm them in turn. The Durability feats of DB is consistent only with explosive like energy and ki energy attacks. Sure dont apply to heat energy lmao. Their durability is threaten by mountains all way in Frieza saga still lmao. Which Raditz is nowhere near. So this nonsense Raditz is more "durable" seems flat out false. He can tank energy attacks sure, cant tank Heat base attacks at all nor physical damage that invincible is putting out. Not even including the speed gap which is huuuuuuge.

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@sirfizzwhizz: Evidence for someone who tank a nuclear bomb to the face dying to a punch from Mike Tyson?

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#14  Edited By returnkaboom232

Raditz is pretty relatively fodder

Either solo-blitz

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@sirfizzwhizz: off topic but how strong do you think Omni man and invincible are ? Moon level?

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#20  Edited By Eredin12

Raditz no sells and one shot these fodders. Lifting strength is entirely irrelevant here. Eddie Hall can lift much more than Jon Jones, but I am still betting my car on Jones wrecking him in a fight. Raditz no sold blast that was able to destroy the moon and blow its pieces at FTL speed:

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There is nothing they can do to him while he is going to blow through them

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#22  Edited By sirfizzwhizz

@omega7373663: I don't respond to Eredin. He is a very terrible debater. A real joke around here.

The fact he ignores Invincible feats and clear calcs, while providing no proof of Radditz physical durability (I showed how thrown mountains is a big deal and how mere lava hurts them, so why should I care about energy resistance equaling physical durability?) as a argument shows what a 🤡 show debating him is.

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Mark and Nolan beat his ass.

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#24  Edited By SheevSmacker
@sirfizzwhizz said:

Raditz gets destroyed, he can't even lift a 100 tons lol.

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DBZ anime. :35 second mark. "Two tons a piece" impresses south Kai. "10 tons a piece I wont be able to move." Goku's own words.

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Manga translations I found state Buu ark Goku could not really deal with 40 tons. Buu ark Goku > Raditz by miles.

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Far weaker than Omni Man, early era Mark began work out routines to increase his power by benching 400 tons daily. God Raditz is so weak.......

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haha you ducking me after i clowned you on the other thread? lemme jog your memory

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Piccolo destory 81 sextillion ton mass with casual ki blast by feat. CANON

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Raditz is no sell Piccolo like a fodder. CANON.

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Even when Piccolo and the Goku is JUMP Raditz, they still is a fodder to him. He is even tank kamehameha from a Goku no sweat. They need amp to hurt. CANON.

Raditz >>>>>> 81 sextillion ton

why no 100 ton?

Manga translations I found state Buu ark Goku could not really deal with 40 tons. Buu ark Goku > Raditz by miles.

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Bringing in Buu Goku 🤡🤡🤡

Vegeta saga solo the invincible verse by feat.

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Vegeta planet bust with two fingers. CANON.

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#25  Edited By SheevSmacker
@sirfizzwhizz said:

@omega7373663: I don't respond to Eredin. He is a very terrible debater. A real joke around here.

The fact he ignores Invincible feats and clear calcs, while providing no proof of Radditz physical durability (I showed how thrown mountains is a big deal and how mere lava hurts them, so why should I care about energy resistance equaling physical durability?) as a argument shows what a 🤡 show debating him is.

Projection

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@sheevsmacker: lmfao you do know destroying the moon is far better than just moving its mass which you stated

energy projection destruction doesn’t translate to lifting strength either

you jerkmate 10 hours online or no ?

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#27  Edited By Eredin12

@sheevsmacker: Yea Fizz is just projecting what anyone serious thinks of him. He is not really worth taking seriously

@konohana said:

Mark and Nolan beat his ass.

Reason? I do not see how can they even hurt him

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Reason? I do not see how can they even hurt him

Through stand-alone feats, scaling, intent, statements, and crossovers - they should both be able to individually beat someone who is moon to small-planetary.

They have the speed, tenacity, and physical capabilities to take Raditz down quite easily I believe.

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#29  Edited By Eredin12

@konohana: Which showings lead you to that conclusion? Tbh, I am not seeing them replicating force of Piccolo blast that Raditz utterly no sold

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@sheevsmacker: Is you learn to read? Raditz lose by feat. Raditz is was did loose to the goku fodder by feat.

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@eredin12 said:

@konohana: Which showings lead you to that conclusion? Tbh, I am not seeing them replicating force of Piccolo blast that Raditz utterly no sold

Look, I already know where you stand with Invincible and their power-levels, so if we’re going to have this discussion, you need to listen.

From what I’ve seen, feats like:

• The Viltrum feat (via three Viltrumite’s)

• Thirty-seven surviving Viltrumite’s being able to destroy and split the planet in-half

• Mark kicking a small moon/planetoid out of its orbit and into Mars’ surface (feat with the Tick in crossover)

• Viltrumite’s being able to annihilate the home-planet of Allen, with nothing left, and people like Mark, Thragg, and Nolan should upscale.

The standard, adult Viltrumite should be near moon-level, at the very least, and we know that Mark alone is vastly above that.

I think either Mark or Nolan can solo, since small-planetary to small-planetary+ is enough to hurt Raditz, and this is in heavy disregard to potential planetary-scaling.

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@konohana: Nah, the laser destablized the planet's core and it took 3 of 3 of them. That means below 1/3 planet level.

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@berberiot said:

@konohana: Nah, the laser destablized the planet's core and it took 3 of 3 of them. That means below 1/3 planet level.

The feat‘s honestly up to interpretation, but I believe the intent from Kirkman was that most of the destruction was from the likes of Mark, Nolan, and Thadeus.

Destabling the core helped, but they did a lot of the work in destroying the planet.

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@konohana: also 1/3 of earth is only slighly above the moon ignoring the laser. At best its a moon level feat.

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@sirfizzwhizz: Dragon Ball characters have trash lifting strength generally lol

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@konohana: Nah, the laser destablized the planet's core and it took 3 of 3 of them. That means below 1/3 planet level.

Below 1/3 planet level is well above small planetary level.

I think the calcs they’re referring to take into account the destabilisation and calc from other parts of the feat, i.e. the exiting damage.

the result got somewhere like nearly 100 times lower than earth busting level, which still comes under small planetary level.

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@konohana said:

@eredin12 said:

@konohana: Which showings lead you to that conclusion? Tbh, I am not seeing them replicating force of Piccolo blast that Raditz utterly no sold

Look, I already know where you stand with Invincible and their power-levels, so if we’re going to have this discussion, you need to listen.

From what I’ve seen, feats like:

• The Viltrum feat (via three Viltrumite’s)

• Thirty-seven surviving Viltrumite’s being able to destroy and split the planet in-half

• Mark kicking a small moon/planetoid out of its orbit and into Mars’ surface (feat with the Tick in crossover)

• Viltrumite’s being able to annihilate the home-planet of Allen, with nothing left, and people like Mark, Thragg, and Nolan should upscale.

The standard, adult Viltrumite should be near moon-level, at the very least, and we know that Mark alone is vastly above that.

I think either Mark or Nolan can solo, since small-planetary to small-planetary+ is enough to hurt Raditz, and this is in heavy disregard to potential planetary-scaling.

Thragg also no sold Nolan’s fist mashing to pieces against his head when he slams into it casually, and Nolan’s fists themselves no-sold crashing out the planet, so Thragg casually scales above that. EoS Mark is > Thragg.

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@konohana: also 1/3 of earth is only slighly above the moon ignoring the laser. At best its a moon level feat.

No it is not lmfao

Moon busting is nearly 2000 times less than earth busting - not even in mass is it true that 1/3 of earth is moon, but neither is that the main factor in deciding how much energy is needed to bust said celestial bodies.

Viltrum is much tougher than earth (binding energy) but that is irrelevant since they didn’t overcome that. What they did do though is launch a good portion of the planet outwards when exiting, at the bare minimum escape speeds, which yields small planetary KE for each.

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@konohana: Eh 3 of those 4 points you listed are either completely misinterpreted or have context that make it not exactly practical to use…

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#41 thedailybagel  Moderator

Probably Raditz.

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@berberiot said:

@konohana: also 1/3 of earth is only slighly above the moon ignoring the laser. At best its a moon level feat.

Moon-level can be an end for the Viltrum feat, but I tend to use the small-planetary one instead.

@konohana: Eh 3 of those 4 points you listed are either completely misinterpreted or have context that make it not exactly practical to use…

You think so?

I’m open to hearing what you have to say.

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@returnkaboom232:

Thragg also no sold Nolan’s fist mashing to pieces against his head when he slams into it casually, and Nolan’s fists themselves no-sold crashing out the planet, so Thragg casually scales above that. EoS Mark is > Thragg.

Yeah, that’s some more good scaling.

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#44 thedailybagel  Moderator

@konohana: I’ve made more detailed posts before which I can do again, but essentially:

Hyperbolic statements aren’t feats. We’ve seen Viltrumites “destroy” planets repeatedly and they don’t bust them. They destroy all the infrastructure and wipe out the populace, but they don’t even surface wipe them. There’s constant examples of that. That covers two of the points.

The tick feat comes from the Tick’s book. It’s a gag comic where one of the main characters abilities is to do dramatic shit depending on the situation. Not exactly a consistent environment to gather feats from for other characters.

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@eredin12 said:

Raditz no sells and one shot these fodders. Lifting strength is entirely irrelevant here. Eddie Hall can lift much more than Jon Jones, but I am still betting my car on Jones wrecking him in a fight. Raditz no sold blast that was able to destroy the moon and blow its pieces at FTL speed:

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There is nothing they can do to him while he is going to blow through them

Yeah this is pretty much what it comes down to I think. The viltrumites lose really badly.

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@thedailybagel:

I’ve made more detailed posts before which I can do again, but essentially:

Hyperbolic statements aren’t feats. We’ve seen Viltrumites “destroy” planets repeatedly and they don’t bust them. They destroy all the infrastructure and wipe out the populace, but they don’t even surface wipe them. There’s constant examples of that. That covers two of the points.

My biggest issue with your point is that… they are completely capable of feats on the level they were talking about. It took three Viltrumite‘s to destroy Viltrum, and Thragg states that triple that could rip a planet in-half.

I see nothing far-fetched with statements like these.

The tick feat comes from the Tick’s book. It’s a gag comic where one of the main characters abilities is to do dramatic shit depending on the situation. Not exactly a consistent environment to gather feats from for other characters.

It’s a crossover, but it’s in-line with Mark’s Viltrum feat, and countless statements and authorial intent.

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#47  Edited By sirfizzwhizz
@thedailybagel said:

@konohana: I’ve made more detailed posts before which I can do again, but essentially:

Hyperbolic statements aren’t feats. We’ve seen Viltrumites “destroy” planets repeatedly and they don’t bust them. They destroy all the infrastructure and wipe out the populace, but they don’t even surface wipe them. There’s constant examples of that. That covers two of the points.

The tick feat comes from the Tick’s book. It’s a gag comic where one of the main characters abilities is to do dramatic shit depending on the situation. Not exactly a consistent environment to gather feats from for other characters.

You keep saying its a gag comic, while true, does not ignore its consistent with feats (Viltrum), statements, scaling, and Word of God. Thats the issue.

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#48  Edited By returnkaboom232
@sirfizzwhizz said:
@thedailybagel said:

@konohana: I’ve made more detailed posts before which I can do again, but essentially:

Hyperbolic statements aren’t feats. We’ve seen Viltrumites “destroy” planets repeatedly and they don’t bust them. They destroy all the infrastructure and wipe out the populace, but they don’t even surface wipe them. There’s constant examples of that. That covers two of the points.

The tick feat comes from the Tick’s book. It’s a gag comic where one of the main characters abilities is to do dramatic shit depending on the situation. Not exactly a consistent environment to gather feats from for other characters.

You keep saying its a gag comic, while true, does not ignore its consistent with feats (Viltrum), statements, scaling, and Word of God. Thats the issue.

It’s not like invincible is canonically-imbued with gag force from the virtue of tick having it. The feat specifically needed Mark to carry Tick and push with him - clearly, gag force wasn’t enough to provide him with flight and/or invisible leverage. Arguing Tick’s abilities allowed him to be strong enough to push the moon on his own gives leeway to the fact that invincible is AS STRONG if not stronger, since he was tick’s leverage and would need to withstand the force to keep him in place without bouncing backwards (Newton’s 3rd Law at work).

I don’t see why this feat is invalid at all tbh.

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@returnkaboom232: Side note, not sure if reading right, sound like you suggest Tick also may have super strength. But we know Tick has no Super strength, he states this, and his comic best strength feat is lifting a car barely IIRC. So its hundred percent Mark strength wise which is why like the feat.

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@sheevsmacker: lmfao you do know destroying the moon is far better than just moving its mass which you stated

energy projection destruction doesn’t translate to lifting strength either

you jerkmate 10 hours online or no ?

lifting strength no relevant here

lmfao you do know destroying the moon is far better than just moving its mass which you stated

Is a fact 👍👍 this why db solo

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