@destinyman75: yeah I’ve seen a ****ton of them and while I have no doubt Manhattan was impressive, I had to put him against Genis to see if he can walk the walk.
Both characters are very similar, with great feats and obviously impressive scale. I just wonder if Manhattan can withstand Genis, and if Genis is on par with Manhattan.
Also the bottom line Doomsday clock just shows that Clark is Hope Clark never got an upgrade so... Manhattan can see future past etc...Don't know against veill
@destinyman75: I’m still confused as to why I saw so many threads spamming the scan of Mxyzptlk being frightened of Dr. Manhattan. Jon is powerful I’m sure but I have no idea what he did that could possibly matter to Mxyzptlk.
Yeah, the Mxy thing is overblown. Mxy was afraid because he got trapped once. We have seen Mxy being afraid of World Forger. If Mxy was so afraid of Jon then he wouldn't have gone for Superman.
Yeah, the Mxy thing is overblown. Mxy was afraid because he got trapped once. We have seen Mxy being afraid of World Forger. If Mxy was so afraid of Jon then he wouldn't have gone for Superman.
Survived destruction of the multiverse (which, incidentally, he caused)
Killed (the Multiversal being) Eternity. It should be noted that (Multiversal being) Eternity wanted to to die, and did allow Entropy and Genis Vell to "bind him". This is still tremendously impressive for 2 reasons: 1) Entropy needed Genis to do this because he had the power output to kill such a ridiculously powerful being, and 2) after Genis created the "new big bag", he survived the destruction and recreation of the multiverse.
In the New Thunderbolts run it was determined that he would destroy the universe, every reality, every eventuality
Has the most potent cosmic awareness I've seen in comics, essentially grants him the ability to just "know things" to see every eventuality, and more all across the multiverse. This ability allows him to see every potential option he or his opponent has
Before he went completely insane he easily 1-shotted a Storm Giant that Odin feared and would have laid waste to all of Asgard
Exists in the past present and future (same as Doc Manhattan)
Can time travel forward and backwards (Doc can't do this iirc, unless it's a new ability)
Can resurrect himself because "energy can’t be destroyed"
Can resurrect others
Has Omniversal telepathy
He was able to force Moondragon (with the mind stone) from his mind and literally overloaded the Magus' mind
Can hand wave open portals to other dimensions in both time and space including the Nth dimension where characters powers don't exist (iirc).
One of his most impressive feats was "collapsing" the HoM reality warp (Wandas) before putting it back. He explains he let things continue because he doesn't want to interfere or change things because it always hurts people (he was sane for this feat). It stands to reason (as that was arguably the most powerful warp in Marvel comic's history) that Genis could "unwarp" whatever he wanted
Genis defeated the Kree-Shi'ar-Skrull alliance by manipulating the electrical impulses in their brains, killing them all just by altering their thoughts to convince them that they were dead
Was only ever BFR'd/defeated as Photon, when he refused to lose his new found morals and was asking for the heroes to give him a chance, when they took this moment to freeze him in time and spread him across time through-out the rest of the multiverse (also PIS lol)
Theres quite a bit more but thats all just off the top of my head, hopefully it helps a bit.
Doctor Manhattan (Doomsday Clock):
Altered the DC multiverse by affecting the single original universe known as "the metaverse"
Hand-waved down legions of both heroes and villains
He'll just do to DM what he did to Molecule Man, and MM is far more powerful than DM
first off DSS can die, maybe not directly, but other ways like earsing his wholle existenceor destroying him before he even was, his not Omnilock, so he can die if u kill him in the past. he only did it to post crisis molecule man, which alr reachiing his lvl is a huge outlier as we seen him take and at best stalemate WBH, doesnt matter if he didnt havea claer mind, it shows that was just an outlier, plus molecule man post recton is weaker than precrisis or post secret wars.
Survived destruction of the multiverse (which, incidentally, he caused)
Killed (the Multiversal being) Eternity. It should be noted that (Multiversal being) Eternity wanted to to die, and did allow Entropy and Genis Vell to "bind him". This is still tremendously impressive for 2 reasons: 1) Entropy needed Genis to do this because he had the power output to kill such a ridiculously powerful being, and 2) after Genis created the "new big bag", he survived the destruction and recreation of the multiverse.
In the New Thunderbolts run it was determined that he would destroy the universe, every reality, every eventuality
Has the most potent cosmic awareness I've seen in comics, essentially grants him the ability to just "know things" to see every eventuality, and more all across the multiverse. This ability allows him to see every potential option he or his opponent has
Before he went completely insane he easily 1-shotted a Storm Giant that Odin feared and would have laid waste to all of Asgard
Exists in the past present and future (same as Doc Manhattan)
Can time travel forward and backwards (Doc can't do this iirc, unless it's a new ability)
Can resurrect himself because "energy can’t be destroyed"
Can resurrect others
Has Omniversal telepathy
He was able to force Moondragon (with the mind stone) from his mind and literally overloaded the Magus' mind
Can hand wave open portals to other dimensions in both time and space including the Nth dimension where characters powers don't exist (iirc).
One of his most impressive feats was "collapsing" the HoM reality warp (Wandas) before putting it back. He explains he let things continue because he doesn't want to interfere or change things because it always hurts people (he was sane for this feat). It stands to reason (as that was arguably the most powerful warp in Marvel comic's history) that Genis could "unwarp" whatever he wanted
Genis defeated the Kree-Shi'ar-Skrull alliance by manipulating the electrical impulses in their brains, killing them all just by altering their thoughts to convince them that they were dead
Was only ever BFR'd/defeated as Photon, when he refused to lose his new found morals and was asking for the heroes to give him a chance, when they took this moment to freeze him in time and spread him across time through-out the rest of the multiverse (also PIS lol)
Theres quite a bit more but thats all just off the top of my head, hopefully it helps a bit.
Doctor Manhattan (Doomsday Clock):
Altered the DC multiverse by affecting the single original universe known as "the metaverse"
Hand-waved down legions of both heroes and villains
If you PM me some feats I'll add them in here
I am limited in my knowledge of Jon.
tf is omniversal telepathy, u can control everything in existence with ur mind?
Survived destruction of the multiverse (which, incidentally, he caused)
Killed (the Multiversal being) Eternity. It should be noted that (Multiversal being) Eternity wanted to to die, and did allow Entropy and Genis Vell to "bind him". This is still tremendously impressive for 2 reasons: 1) Entropy needed Genis to do this because he had the power output to kill such a ridiculously powerful being, and 2) after Genis created the "new big bag", he survived the destruction and recreation of the multiverse.
In the New Thunderbolts run it was determined that he would destroy the universe, every reality, every eventuality
Has the most potent cosmic awareness I've seen in comics, essentially grants him the ability to just "know things" to see every eventuality, and more all across the multiverse. This ability allows him to see every potential option he or his opponent has
Before he went completely insane he easily 1-shotted a Storm Giant that Odin feared and would have laid waste to all of Asgard
Exists in the past present and future (same as Doc Manhattan)
Can time travel forward and backwards (Doc can't do this iirc, unless it's a new ability)
Can resurrect himself because "energy can’t be destroyed"
Can resurrect others
Has Omniversal telepathy
He was able to force Moondragon (with the mind stone) from his mind and literally overloaded the Magus' mind
Can hand wave open portals to other dimensions in both time and space including the Nth dimension where characters powers don't exist (iirc).
One of his most impressive feats was "collapsing" the HoM reality warp (Wandas) before putting it back. He explains he let things continue because he doesn't want to interfere or change things because it always hurts people (he was sane for this feat). It stands to reason (as that was arguably the most powerful warp in Marvel comic's history) that Genis could "unwarp" whatever he wanted
Genis defeated the Kree-Shi'ar-Skrull alliance by manipulating the electrical impulses in their brains, killing them all just by altering their thoughts to convince them that they were dead
Was only ever BFR'd/defeated as Photon, when he refused to lose his new found morals and was asking for the heroes to give him a chance, when they took this moment to freeze him in time and spread him across time through-out the rest of the multiverse (also PIS lol)
Theres quite a bit more but thats all just off the top of my head, hopefully it helps a bit.
Doctor Manhattan (Doomsday Clock):
Altered the DC multiverse by affecting the single original universe known as "the metaverse"
Hand-waved down legions of both heroes and villains
If you PM me some feats I'll add them in here
I am limited in my knowledge of Jon.
tf is omniversal telepathy, u can control everything in existence with ur mind?
He actually has some pretty solid TP feats like forcing Moondragon (with the mind) gem out of his mind, shielding himself from alien telepaths, and overloading the Magus with a fraction of his cosmic awareness
Survived destruction of the multiverse (which, incidentally, he caused)
Killed (the Multiversal being) Eternity. It should be noted that (Multiversal being) Eternity wanted to to die, and did allow Entropy and Genis Vell to "bind him". This is still tremendously impressive for 2 reasons: 1) Entropy needed Genis to do this because he had the power output to kill such a ridiculously powerful being, and 2) after Genis created the "new big bag", he survived the destruction and recreation of the multiverse.
In the New Thunderbolts run it was determined that he would destroy the universe, every reality, every eventuality
Has the most potent cosmic awareness I've seen in comics, essentially grants him the ability to just "know things" to see every eventuality, and more all across the multiverse. This ability allows him to see every potential option he or his opponent has
Before he went completely insane he easily 1-shotted a Storm Giant that Odin feared and would have laid waste to all of Asgard
Exists in the past present and future (same as Doc Manhattan)
Can time travel forward and backwards (Doc can't do this iirc, unless it's a new ability)
Can resurrect himself because "energy can’t be destroyed"
Can resurrect others
Has Omniversal telepathy
He was able to force Moondragon (with the mind stone) from his mind and literally overloaded the Magus' mind
Can hand wave open portals to other dimensions in both time and space including the Nth dimension where characters powers don't exist (iirc).
One of his most impressive feats was "collapsing" the HoM reality warp (Wandas) before putting it back. He explains he let things continue because he doesn't want to interfere or change things because it always hurts people (he was sane for this feat). It stands to reason (as that was arguably the most powerful warp in Marvel comic's history) that Genis could "unwarp" whatever he wanted
Genis defeated the Kree-Shi'ar-Skrull alliance by manipulating the electrical impulses in their brains, killing them all just by altering their thoughts to convince them that they were dead
Was only ever BFR'd/defeated as Photon, when he refused to lose his new found morals and was asking for the heroes to give him a chance, when they took this moment to freeze him in time and spread him across time through-out the rest of the multiverse (also PIS lol)
Theres quite a bit more but thats all just off the top of my head, hopefully it helps a bit.
Doctor Manhattan (Doomsday Clock):
Altered the DC multiverse by affecting the single original universe known as "the metaverse"
Hand-waved down legions of both heroes and villains
If you PM me some feats I'll add them in here
I am limited in my knowledge of Jon.
tf is omniversal telepathy, u can control everything in existence with ur mind?
He actually has some pretty solid TP feats like forcing Moondragon (with the mind) gem out of his mind, shielding himself from alien telepaths, and overloading the Magus with a fraction of his cosmic awareness
wouldn't calling MJJ an Omniversal threat also make no diffrence in the scale of an omniverse we use in context because both those guy aren't omniversal its reserved usually for Gods of their universe cuz its means everything, having omniversal telepathy makes no sense like how the author who wrote MM creating an Omniverse simply means Multiverse, the term gets loosely define, but overall meaning should only be reserved for the most powerful of beings, IGV is powerful, but his far from that title.
Survived destruction of the multiverse (which, incidentally, he caused)
Killed (the Multiversal being) Eternity. It should be noted that (Multiversal being) Eternity wanted to to die, and did allow Entropy and Genis Vell to "bind him". This is still tremendously impressive for 2 reasons: 1) Entropy needed Genis to do this because he had the power output to kill such a ridiculously powerful being, and 2) after Genis created the "new big bag", he survived the destruction and recreation of the multiverse.
In the New Thunderbolts run it was determined that he would destroy the universe, every reality, every eventuality
Has the most potent cosmic awareness I've seen in comics, essentially grants him the ability to just "know things" to see every eventuality, and more all across the multiverse. This ability allows him to see every potential option he or his opponent has
Before he went completely insane he easily 1-shotted a Storm Giant that Odin feared and would have laid waste to all of Asgard
Exists in the past present and future (same as Doc Manhattan)
Can time travel forward and backwards (Doc can't do this iirc, unless it's a new ability)
Can resurrect himself because "energy can’t be destroyed"
Can resurrect others
Has Omniversal telepathy
He was able to force Moondragon (with the mind stone) from his mind and literally overloaded the Magus' mind
Can hand wave open portals to other dimensions in both time and space including the Nth dimension where characters powers don't exist (iirc).
One of his most impressive feats was "collapsing" the HoM reality warp (Wandas) before putting it back. He explains he let things continue because he doesn't want to interfere or change things because it always hurts people (he was sane for this feat). It stands to reason (as that was arguably the most powerful warp in Marvel comic's history) that Genis could "unwarp" whatever he wanted
Genis defeated the Kree-Shi'ar-Skrull alliance by manipulating the electrical impulses in their brains, killing them all just by altering their thoughts to convince them that they were dead
Was only ever BFR'd/defeated as Photon, when he refused to lose his new found morals and was asking for the heroes to give him a chance, when they took this moment to freeze him in time and spread him across time through-out the rest of the multiverse (also PIS lol)
Theres quite a bit more but thats all just off the top of my head, hopefully it helps a bit.
Doctor Manhattan (Doomsday Clock):
Altered the DC multiverse by affecting the single original universe known as "the metaverse"
Hand-waved down legions of both heroes and villains
If you PM me some feats I'll add them in here
I am limited in my knowledge of Jon.
tf is omniversal telepathy, u can control everything in existence with ur mind?
He actually has some pretty solid TP feats like forcing Moondragon (with the mind) gem out of his mind, shielding himself from alien telepaths, and overloading the Magus with a fraction of his cosmic awareness
wouldn't calling MJJ an Omniversal threat also make no diffrence in the scale of an omniverse we use in context because both those guy aren't omniversal its reserved usually for Gods of their universe cuz its means everything, having omniversal telepathy makes no sense like how the author who wrote MM creating an Omniverse simply means Multiverse, the term gets loosely define, but overall meaning should only be reserved for the most powerful of beings, IGV is powerful, but his far from that title.
I take your point but I consider Genis Vell > MJJ.
Omniverse and Multiverse can be used loosely in comics, I get that.
Genis Vell's later arcs were specifically relating to him being all powerful, yet not being called "God".
There's actually a funny issue that begins with him in a church, on a cross, and then in later in Asgard, and basically consists of him making a case that there's no one better fitting of the term "God" than he. (insane)
Molecule man is another one where at his peak he's like top 2-4 characters of all time in Marvel. He does have a lot of inconsistencies that are chalked up to character flaws and bad writing though.
At his peak levels he's well above Genis and MJJ, IMO.
I agree for the most part. It should be but on the other side of that coin, I've never seen superior cosmic awareness which is linked to his TP (or vice versa) in comics outside of someone like those ubers you mentioned.
To be clear, Genis Vell is not an omniversal character, he just has an ability that stretches across the multiverse that incidentally drove him insane.
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